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Well the soundtrack being leagues ahead in begins helps a lot. Being able to actually hear what on earth he's saying also helps since I feel his voice is much more menacing in begins. The batsuit is also superior in begins.

I've always appreciated the varied scenery in begins too. The mountains, the open countryside with Wayne Manor and a city that looks really unique, dark and mysterious with a unique colour palette consisting of blacks, greys and this gold/brown murky feel that shrouds the city. The pacing in begins is really good and it hits all the right notes. The tumbler roaring though the streets, the more unorthodox fighting techniques etc really made begins a great Batman movie. That's the key. It's a Batman movie. Also Liam Neeson steals the trilogy just from his scenes in the beginning of Begins.

I loved all three but Begins is definitely the best FOR ME. That's the great thing about opinions I guess. What I prefer might not be someone else's cup of tea.
 
Well the soundtrack being leagues ahead in begins helps a lot. Being able to actually hear what on earth he's saying also helps since I feel his voice is much more menacing in begins. The batsuit is also superior in begins.

I've always appreciated the varied scenery in begins too. The mountains, the open countryside with Wayne Manor and a city that looks really unique, dark and mysterious with a unique colour palette consisting of blacks, greys and this gold/brown murky feel that shrouds the city. The pacing in begins is really good and it hits all the right notes. The tumbler roaring though the streets, the more unorthodox fighting techniques etc really made begins a great Batman movie. That's the key. It's a Batman movie. Also Liam Neeson steals the trilogy just from his scenes in the beginning of Begins.

I loved all three but Begins is definitely the best FOR ME. That's the great thing about opinions I guess. What I prefer might not be someone else's cup of tea.
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Man. My gf got me the trilogy on BR for my birthday this year. Dare I tempt fate and get this or live with the box set I already have?
 
I would buy this if I didn't already own the first blu-ray set.

And Rises is my favorite of the trilogy because of how strange it is. I also feel like it has the strongest social commentary (OWS, class warfare, consequences of the Patriot Act, etc.) of the three films. That sort of stuff goes a long way for me personally. And that ending got damn
 
Well the soundtrack being leagues ahead in begins helps a lot. Being able to actually hear what on earth he's saying also helps since I feel his voice is much more menacing in begins. The batsuit is also superior in begins.

I've always appreciated the varied scenery in begins too. The mountains, the open countryside with Wayne Manor and a city that looks really unique, dark and mysterious with a unique colour palette consisting of blacks, greys and this gold/brown murky feel that shrouds the city. The pacing in begins is really good and it hits all the right notes. The tumbler roaring though the streets, the more unorthodox fighting techniques etc really made begins a great Batman movie. That's the key. It's a Batman movie. Also Liam Neeson steals the trilogy just from his scenes in the beginning of Begins.

I loved all three but Begins is definitely the best FOR ME. That's the great thing about opinions I guess. What I prefer might not be someone else's cup of tea.

Hey don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Begins and for a long time it was far and away my favorite (now I have all three so close to equal it's not even worth ranking). But I think it's bullshit when some people will criticize TDK or Rises for stuff like the Batsonar or the nuke, when Begins' plot device - the microwave emitter - inexplicably shows up halfway through the movie in the most contrived way possible, and isn't even connected to the main story. For a movie supposedly as lean and tight as Begins, it seems like awfully lazy plotting to have your third act set up by something just tossed in there that's totally disconnected from the narrative.

I can see arguments for why people think one film is better than the other two just fine, but I also think people are kidding themselves if they don't see that all three share a lot of the same flaws, and that Begins has some of the worst of them.
 
Hey don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Begins and for a long time it was far and away my favorite (now I have all three so close to equal it's not even worth ranking). But I think it's bullshit when some people will criticize TDK or Rises for stuff like the Batsonar or the nuke, when Begins' plot device - the microwave emitter - inexplicably shows up halfway through the movie in the most contrived way possible, and isn't even connected to the main story. For a movie supposedly as lean and tight as Begins, it seems like awfully lazy plotting to have your third act set up by something just tossed in there that's totally disconnected from the narrative.

I can see arguments for why people think one film is better than the other two just fine, but I also think people are kidding themselves if they don't see that all three share a lot of the same flaws, and that Begins has some of the worst of them.

The microwave emitter is the most out there plot device and villain scheme of the series, but it still works. One of the biggest issues I have with Rises is how it just shits on the Bruce and Alfred characters, and also seems to abandon the set up for Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public at the end of Dark Knight. Instead Bruce goes and sulks in his mansion for years and Alfred abandons him.
 
The microwave emitter is the most out there plot device and villain scheme of the series, but it still works. One of the biggest issues I have with Rises is how it just shits on the Bruce and Alfred characters, and also seems to abandon the set up for Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public at the end of Dark Knight. Instead Bruce goes and sulks in his mansion for years and Alfred abandons him.
Goddammit, Alfred should have been to blast Bane with a shotgun.
 
Goddammit, Alfred should have been to blast Bane with a shotgun.

No. But Alfred would NEVER abandon Bruce. NEVER. Of course, Rises Bruce was lame, so of course Alfred walked away.

Having said that, at least Bale was better in Rises than he was in TDK. He seemed to take whatever criticisms there were against his performance and Batman voice in TDK and fixed them in Rises. It is too bad the script was not as strong.
 
The microwave emitter is the most out there plot device and villain scheme of the series, but it still works. One of the biggest issues I have with Rises is how it just shits on the Bruce and Alfred characters, and also seems to abandon the set up for Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public at the end of Dark Knight. Instead Bruce goes and sulks in his mansion for years and Alfred abandons him.

That's not even close to an honest assessment of what happens; it's handled with far more importance and genuine emotion than just "oh, he abandons him."

I think how the Bruce/Alfred relationships plays out - and ends up - in Rises is one of the better things about the film.

I've also always felt that TDKR was always going to be the most shit on by diehards because it breaks away from the canon in a huge way insofar as it's an ending. In the comics, there is no ending; Batman goes on forever. So I can see why a story all about Bruce's journey as Batman - and the others around him - coming to an end would be hard, if not impossible, for some people to accept.
 
The microwave emitter is the most out there plot device and villain scheme of the series, but it still works. One of the biggest issues I have with Rises is how it just shits on the Bruce and Alfred characters, and also seems to abandon the set up for Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public at the end of Dark Knight. Instead Bruce goes and sulks in his mansion for years and Alfred abandons him.

Alfred explains why he's abandoning him and it makes complete sense in context. It doesn't matter what Alfred does in the comics or what your pre-conceived notions are for what their relationship should be.
 
The microwave emitter is the most out there plot device and villain scheme of the series, but it still works. One of the biggest issues I have with Rises is how it just shits on the Bruce and Alfred characters, and also seems to abandon the set up for Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public at the end of Dark Knight. Instead Bruce goes and sulks in his mansion for years and Alfred abandons him.

It seems to play perfectly into it for me. The first two Nolan movie are Batman saying how one day he hopes the city will take care of itself and he can hang up the mantle and lead what he wants most, a normal life. There is something more interesting in a Wayne that doesn't want to be Batman but must than a Batman gung-ho and happy to protect the city.

And Alfred abandoning him is one of the best parts of the Bane comics. The healer/sage finally saying enough is enough, he can't watch his surrogate son kill himself.
 
The microwave emitter is the most out there plot device and villain scheme of the series, but it still works. One of the biggest issues I have with Rises is how it just shits on the Bruce and Alfred characters, and also seems to abandon the set up for Batman being hunted by the police and hated by the public at the end of Dark Knight. Instead Bruce goes and sulks in his mansion for years and Alfred abandons him.

Actually I think the withdrawal is the most realistic scenario.
 
Alfred explains why he's abandoning him and it makes complete sense in context. It doesn't matter what Alfred does in the comics or what your pre-conceived notions are for what their relationship should be.

It didn't make sense in context for me. But that is just how I saw it. With the way they built up Alfred and Bruce's relationship in Begins and TDK, him walking away even at that point in Rises just stunk. It just did not work at all for me, and hurt the movie a lot.

But that is just me. I know it worked well for others, but it did not for me.
 
No. But Alfred would NEVER abandon Bruce. NEVER. Of course, Rises Bruce was lame, so of course Alfred walked away.

Having said that, at least Bale was better in Rises than he was in TDK. He seemed to take whatever criticisms there were against his performance and Batman voice in TDK and fixed them in Rises. It is too bad the script was not as strong.
Of course Alfred is the undying loyalty sort, but fuck it, I'd rather have seen him at the end blast Bane. Its a visceral thing.
 
Hey don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Begins and for a long time it was far and away my favorite (now I have all three so close to equal it's not even worth ranking). But I think it's bullshit when some people will criticize TDK or Rises for stuff like the Batsonar or the nuke, when Begins' plot device - the microwave emitter - inexplicably shows up halfway through the movie in the most contrived way possible, and isn't even connected to the main story. For a movie supposedly as lean and tight as Begins, it seems like awfully lazy plotting to have your third act set up by something just tossed in there that's totally disconnected from the narrative.

I can see arguments for why people think one film is better than the other two just fine, but I also think people are kidding themselves if they don't see that all three share a lot of the same flaws, and that Begins has some of the worst of them.

Don't worry its all good. I watched Rises in true IMAX day of release and watched it again in IMAX, in the cinema and on bluray and I liked it. Begins first half was the best bit and I agree it gets convoluted towards the end and like you said it's not really a bad thing. The problem lies with double standards like you said.

I guess my main issue with Rises isn't plot holes or anything like that. It's more to do with a lot of potential being wasted. Bane could have been so much more and I feel if rises was maybe a two part movie it might have had more room to breath. Some people think that would be a stupid idea but hey its an idea I guess. A lot of characters also act out of character a bit which was disappointing.

Rises to be honest feels like the most comic-book like of the 3 and that's a good thing. It's just pacing I have the most issues with and the lack of continuation of TDK at the end but I have a feeling the death of Heath might have had a play in that.
 
What other movies do people feel would have been better as two movies?

Perhaps that criticism means you think it's like two movies jammed together? I don't feel that's the case, it tells an awesome self-sustaining and story that 'raises' the stakes, but saying it feels like two movies jammed together makes more sense as a general complaint than "it should be two movies." Saying it should be two sounds like you are saying "I didn't want it to end," the sign of a great movie.
 
What other movies do people feel would have been better as two movies?

Perhaps that criticism means you think it's like two movies jammed together? I don't feel that's the case, it tells an awesome self-sustaining and story that 'raises' the stakes, but saying it feels like two movies jammed together makes more sense as a general complaint than "it should be two movies." Saying it should be two sounds like you are saying "I didn't want it to end," the sign of a great movie.
It didn't need to be two movies. It needed to be trimmed down and streamlined to a more lean and efficient story.
 
Rises is a great conclusion, it's premise is perfect (in a joker less case) but it stumbled in its execution. It got close, though, and it certainly isn't Godfather III, it's more of a "A New Hope" alongside two "Empire Strikes back"s.
People saying it's bad should watch more films.
 
Rises is a great conclusion, it's premise is perfect (in a joker less case) but it stumbled in its execution. It got close, though, and it certainly isn't Godfather III, it's more of a "A New Hope" alongside two "Return of the Jedi"s.
People saying it's bad should watch more films.

wtf does this mean?

Rises IS return of the jedi. the goofy corny sequel to two great films. ROTK still ballin for third film in a trilogy. (and Before Midnight from what I've heard)
 
wtf does this mean?

Rises IS return of the jedi. the goofy corny sequel to two great films. ROTK still ballin for third film in a trilogy. (and Before Midnight from what I've heard)

Yeah yeah I meant Empire Strikes Back.
And No, DKR is not /corny/, Spiderman is corny, Dredd is corny, DKR isn't, it is kinda classy.
 
Spiderman has the decency to wear it's goofiness on it's sleeve at least.

The Dark Knight trilogy hid behind taking the subject matter so seriously...and yet the third film still ended up being cheesy as hell. It's a real let down especially if you've recently seen all three of them around the same time. The ending was good though.
 
Bane might be the most quotable character of all time... Literally everything he says is quotable and often meme-worthy.

/random thought
 
Bane might be the most quotable character of all time... Literally everything he says is quotable and often meme-worthy.

/random thought

Absolutely, ALL of his lines were memorable, I think I can recite them.

Batman on the other hand... "I came back to stop you..." FOR REAL NOLAN? FOR FUCKING REAL?
 
What other movies do people feel would have been better as two movies?

Perhaps that criticism means you think it's like two movies jammed together? I don't feel that's the case, it tells an awesome self-sustaining and story that 'raises' the stakes, but saying it feels like two movies jammed together makes more sense as a general complaint than "it should be two movies." Saying it should be two sounds like you are saying "I didn't want it to end," the sign of a great movie.

I don't know. I didn't feel that it was two movies jammed together at all. I just guess I feel that if the movie was more spaced out the pacing would have been a bit more improved and it'd have more time to establish things.

Like the first part being the start until the first Bane and Batman fight and the second part being Bruce in the pit until the end. Having each arc have it's own 2 hour movie would have been interesting I guess but the movie was okay as is and maybe my idea is really rubbish.
 
Well the soundtrack being leagues ahead in begins helps a lot. Being able to actually hear what on earth he's saying also helps since I feel his voice is much more menacing in begins. The batsuit is also superior in begins.

I've always appreciated the varied scenery in begins too. The mountains, the open countryside with Wayne Manor and a city that looks really unique, dark and mysterious with a unique colour palette consisting of blacks, greys and this gold/brown murky feel that shrouds the city. The pacing in begins is really good and it hits all the right notes. The tumbler roaring though the streets, the more unorthodox fighting techniques etc really made begins a great Batman movie. That's the key. It's a Batman movie. Also Liam Neeson steals the trilogy just from his scenes in the beginning of Begins.

I loved all three but Begins is definitely the best FOR ME. That's the great thing about opinions I guess. What I prefer might not be someone else's cup of tea.

Sums it up so perfectly. The Dark Knight is a great film, but so much of that centers around the Joker and Heath Ledger's strong performance. With Begins, there are so many great moments, particularly in the first hour. The training montage with Ra's al Ghul, Falcone's speech to Bruce, Bruce telling Alfred about how we wants to become a symbol to Gotham, etc. To me, the film only starts to really falter towards the final action setpiece.
 
Sums it up so perfectly. The Dark Knight is a great film, but so much of that centers around the Joker and Heath Ledger's strong performance. With Begins, there are so many great moments, particularly in the first hour. The training montage with Ra's al Ghul, Falcone's speech to Bruce, Bruce telling Alfred about how we wants to become a symbol to Gotham, etc. To me, the film only starts to really falter towards the final action setpiece.

Yeah it's an amazingly good movie. I always find myself disappointed at the lukewarm reception it received in comparison to TDK. All three are very good movies that do the Batman character justice but Begins is just soo good.

It just felt more human. Bruce is this real tortured soul who seeks to find answers and face the harsh realities.

His training sequence and relationships to all the characters and his chemistry between himself and Rachel was really great to see. They felt like real childhood friends on screen that cared for each other. The chemistry in general between characters is really special in begins. Gordon, Alfred, Fox... the lot.

Everything falling into place like the batcave, the batsuit and the soundtrack with them emotional cues really hits the spot.

Just a really satisfying movie that just builds up from the title screen and never disappoints.

Also...What's the point of all them push-ups if you can't pick up a bloody log.
 
Absolutely, ALL of his lines were memorable, I think I can recite them.

Batman on the other hand... "I came back to stop you..." FOR REAL NOLAN? FOR FUCKING REAL?

That fucking boggles my mind, to this day.

"So, you came back to die with your city?"

The LOGICAL answer, that flows better and sounds better, is:

"I came back to save it."

Instead, we get "I came back to stop you."

NO. FUCKING. SHIT.
 
I have to say unless you have a top notch surround sound set up at home it doesn't do Rises justice. 70mm IMAX was fucking glorious.
 
Rises just collapsed under the weight of its various subplots. There were two many character arcs and ideas shoved into one movie. We had John Blake's entire character arc, Catwoman, Bane and the League of Shadows, Miranda Tate, something about a nuclear bomb or stocks or something. They tried too hard to be epic and ended up producing something bloated and overloaded with an excess or ideas and poor execution.

It's pretty similar to what happened to Spiderman 3, or frankly, most 3rd movies in a trilogy.
 
That fucking boggles my mind, to this day.

"So, you came back to die with your city?"

The LOGICAL answer, that flows better and sounds better, is:

"I came back to save it."

Instead, we get "I came back to stop you."

NO. FUCKING. SHIT.

How about "No", like "No, I came back to save it." ?

Either one is better than what we got.
 
Rises just collapsed under the weight of its various subplots. There were two many character arcs and ideas shoved into one movie. We had John Blake's entire character arc, Catwoman, Bane and the League of Shadows, Miranda Tate, something about a nuclear bomb or stocks or something. They tried too hard to be epic and ended up producing something bloated and overloaded with an excess or ideas and poor execution.

It's pretty similar to what happened to Spiderman 3, or frankly, most 3rd movies in a trilogy.

I think like you said it's the issue with trying to juggle too much at the same time. I was the biggest advocate for Blake btw. I got why he was included. He was the Prefect hero in the eyes of Bruce. He was a guy who wanted to bring peace like Bruce but unlike Bruce, Blake did it the legit and admirable way by being a cop. And the idea that anyone can be a hero etc.

But coming off of the end of TDK it took a turn that was good but unnecessary with the idea that they could have kept it streamlined and carry on directly after the end scene in TDK. Not sweeping the death of Harvey under the rug would have been a cool alternative I feel.

Overall I feel Rises was an admirable effort at ending the trilogy and wrapping everything up. And although for me it didn't reach the highs of Begins, it's a good movie that has something for everyone.

And Catwoman is HOT.
 
How about "No", like "No, I came back to save it." ?

Either one is better than what we got.

Shit, yeah.

I think like you said it's the issue with trying to juggle too much at the same time. I was the biggest advocate for Blake btw. I got why he was included. He was the Prefect hero in the eyes of Bruce. He was a guy who wanted to bring peace like Bruce but unlike Bruce, Blake did it the legit and admirable way by being a cop. And the idea that anyone can be a hero etc.

But coming off of the end of TDK it took a turn that was good but unnecessary with the idea that they could have kept it streamlined and carry on directly after the end scene in TDK. Not sweeping the death of Harvey under the rug would have been a cool alternative I feel.

Overall I feel Rises was an admirable effort at ending the trilogy and wrapping everything up. And although for me it didn't reach the highs of Begins, it's a good movie that has something for everyone.

And Catwoman is HOT.

Shit, yeah.
 
Yeah, Bane was essentially wasted. Movie shoulda trimmed down, he spanked the screen anytime he showed up. It's a shame it wasn't more often.
 
Rises just collapsed under the weight of its various subplots. There were two many character arcs and ideas shoved into one movie. We had John Blake's entire character arc, Catwoman, Bane and the League of Shadows, Miranda Tate, something about a nuclear bomb or stocks or something. They tried too hard to be epic and ended up producing something bloated and overloaded with an excess or ideas and poor execution.

It's pretty similar to what happened to Spiderman 3, or frankly, most 3rd movies in a trilogy.

Nuclear bomb and "stocks or something" are elements used to tell the story, they aren't the basis of nor the focus of the story. And the League of Shadows is an ingrained part of Batman. You also confuse subplots with characters. Bane the populist warlord and Tate/Talia, the daughter of Ra's al Ghul, fit into the story of the final destruction of Gotham, they don't on unnecessary or unexplained.

The last complaint I never understand, along with the "it should be two movies" critique, is that it's Blake's origin story. Had the movie not featured the 20 seconds where Blake is called Robin and given the key to the bat cave it would have been the same movie. Blake wasn't being groomed to become a superhero, the movie is not about him. Blake/Robin is the just Batman passing the torch, not a boring origin story about him running the requisite troubles.
 
Nuclear bomb and "stocks or something" are elements used to tell the story, they aren't the basis of nor the focus of the story. And the League of Shadows is an ingrained part of Batman. You also confuse subplots with characters. Bane the populist warlord and Tate/Talia, the daughter of Ra's al Ghul, fit into the story of the final destruction of Gotham, they don't on unnecessary or unexplained.

The last complaint I never understand, along with the "it should be two movies" critique, is that it's Blake's origin story. Had the movie not featured the 20 seconds where Blake is called Robin and given the key to the bat cave it would have been the same movie. Blake wasn't being groomed to become a superhero, the movie is not about him. Blake/Robin is the just Batman passing the torch, not a boring origin story about him running the requisite troubles.

First off, I think you took my post way too seriously and overanalyzed it. Also you kind of missed the point. It wasn't that the individual subplots/characters weren't necessary, just that they were all shoved into the same movie and ended up being horribly bloated. Too much was thrown into the movie and that left certain parts of the movie underdeveloped, ultimately leading to a weaker film.

Sure, the League of Shadows is a legitimate part of the Batman canon that was introduced in Batman Begins. And yes, it's legitimate that they included it as a part of Bane's origin story. But when you have all these different elements combined, it's a mess. There's no other way around it.
 
On the subject of Rises' length/content, I think even The Dark Knight was too much for one film. The problem infected Man of Steel too.
I just noticed, Catwoman and Talia don't have badass mini posters. Couldn't they do something with Catwoman's ears?
Neither character deserves one. Nolan's women characters leave a lot to be desired.
 
First off, I think you took my post way too seriously and overanalyzed it. Also you kind of missed the point. It wasn't that the individual subplots/characters weren't necessary, just that they were all shoved into the same movie and ended up being horribly bloated. Too much was thrown into the movie and that left certain parts of the movie underdeveloped, ultimately leading to a weaker film.

Sure, the League of Shadows is a legitimate part of the Batman canon that was introduced in Batman Begins. And yes, it's legitimate that they included it as a part of Bane's origin story. But when you have all these different elements combined, it's a mess. There's no other way around it.

Sorry for reflecting on what you wrote too much. Not examining your point and ignoring the focus would give me a clearer understanding.

Watching Batman 3 right now and one of the things I love is how much Catwomen thinks Batman is an idiot. She's openly disdainful and considers him a evangelical moron. In other Batman fictions she will go ga-ga for him and his heroics. But here she just thinks he's a dumbass.
 
This looks great, HOWEVER...I'm really interested in what are the differences between this Ultimate edition and this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008JARIIA/

which is fairly cheap right now and I plan to get it.

Thoughts? Suggestions? I think this Ultimate edition will cost 50GBP+ for sure... :/

I guess in a basic nutshell the Ultimate edition comes with "never-before-seen footage, rare moments, and exclusive interviews" as well as an artbook, the postcards, the figures and a more premium packaging. Quality might also be improved I think?

Having said that the interview and behind the scenes stuff alone is enough for a lot of Batman fans.
 
I guess in a basic nutshell the Ultimate edition comes with "never-before-seen footage, rare moments, and exclusive interviews" as well as an artbook, the postcards, the figures and a more premium packaging. Quality might also be improved I think?

Having said that the interview and behind the scenes stuff alone is enough for a lot of Batman fans.
I'll wait to see what the price will be on this Ultimate edition. And the price of the existing edition will only go down, so it's a win-win. :)
 
I guess in a basic nutshell the Ultimate edition comes with "never-before-seen footage, rare moments, and exclusive interviews" as well as an artbook, the postcards, the figures and a more premium packaging. Quality might also be improved I think?

Having said that the interview and behind the scenes stuff alone is enough for a lot of Batman fans.

Yup. Plenty of us thrive on this kind of stuff.
 
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