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Should have just reached out to HBO or AMC and done a tv series.
You think the LotR trilogy should be 4 and a half hours at most?
Just Ake and Olan? Why bother?
”They're certainly out there," explained Arcel while speaking to EW. ”I think the entire story deserves to be told and should be told. I would certainly be disappointed in myself or my collaborators if we didn't bring them in. They're such a huge part of the story." King added that ”I'm fine with it...I know exactly where Akiva [Goldsman] always planned to bring them in and that's cool with me."
This is just a reality of converting Epics to a Film. There isn't enough time to do it justice because no one wants to sit in a theater for 5 or 6 hours for a single book in a multiple book series.
this movie is such an obvious bomb i really can't believe they went through with it
at least they didnt spend much
That should be the thread title.No, it's New Game+.
Just Ake and Olan? Why bother?
It's not a good sign for a film consider the universe it's pulling from has a huge backstory and a lot of world-building.
As a huge fan of the books I definitely expected a 2hr or more runtime.
IIRC a Gaffer 'in a position to know' said that they spent well into nine figures on this which I can well imagine if they reshot the hell out of of it.
IIRC a Gaffer 'in a position to know' said that they spent well into nine figures on this which I can well imagine if they reshot the hell out of of it.
The LotR trilogy should've been a high budget tv series on a premium network.
As long they coherently squeeze in the first four books in that runtime, I'm cool.
The LotR trilogy should've been a high budget tv series on a premium network. That wasn't en vogue really, at the time, but such a thing would've allowed a good structure with pacing and details that matched the actual novels.
Because even at the super long runtimes of the LotR films (and they're all great films imo mind you) they had to cut a lot of things, truncate others, and made a lot of changes that upset fans of the books.
This is just a reality of converting Epics to a Film. There isn't enough time to do it justice because no one wants to sit in a theater for 5 or 6 hours for a single book in a multiple book series.
In a perfect world, sure. Television by it's nature tends to lend itself better to lengthy-novel adaptions. But I have no idea how the hell you would do realistically adapt The Lord of the Rings on a TV budget. Game of Thrones has a the biggest budget on TV and they still have to cut corners. The show also benefits from the fact that it has fewer fantastical creatures to contend with, it's mostly just humans with the occasional white walker/zombie + dragon thrown in.
The Lord of the Rings, meanwhile, would need money and tech to faithfully create all of these:
- Gollum
- Trolls
- a Balrog
- Ents
- Wargs
- Dwarves
- Hobbits
- Orcs
- Uruk-hai
- Oliphants
- Fell beasts (those things the Nazgûl ride)
- Eagles
- Army of the Dead
And that's all on-top of the massive battles they'd have to depict like Helm's Deep, Pelennor Fields, Battle of the Black Gate, etc. Adapting The Lord of the Rings to TV would be a logistical nightmare, budget-wise.
In a perfect world, sure. Television by it's nature tends to lend itself better to lengthy-novel adaptions. But I have no idea how the hell you would do realistically adapt The Lord of the Rings on a TV budget. Game of Thrones has a the biggest budget on TV and they still have to cut corners. The show also benefits from the fact that it has fewer fantastical creatures to contend with, it's mostly just humans with the occasional white walker/zombie + dragon thrown in.
The Lord of the Rings, meanwhile, would need money and tech to faithfully create all of these:
- Gollum
- Trolls
- a Balrog
- Ents
- Wargs
- Dwarves
- Hobbits
- Orcs
- Uruk-hai
- Oliphants
- Fell beasts (those things the Nazgûl ride)
- Eagles
- Army of the Dead
And that's all on-top of the massive battles they'd have to depict like Helm's Deep, Pelennor Fields, Battle of the Black Gate, etc. Adapting The Lord of the Rings to TV would be a logistical nightmare, budget-wise.
Why is this bad?
The Children of Hurin is tame enough, so as long as they excise the Battle of Unnumbered Tears (which was glossed over in the text anyway). Not that Tolkien's estate will ever part with the rightsThis is why I laugh at the prospect of a Silmarillion TV series. That material is even larger in scale.
Worth noting that this was already delayed for six months, and no trailer until less than three months before release is usually a very bad sign for a big-budget film with big-name stars. (There's probably a more recent example I'm forgetting, but Tim Burton's Dark Shadows comes to mind.)
Considering the lore i just don't see how you an make a sequel to bunch of books only read by nerds(sorry nerds) and expect success
If I'm a Dark Tower fan, I really only need this movie to do well enough to ensure the TV series with Idris gets off the ground. The movie can be so-so, but the show can be amazing. (see Stargate)
The Children of Hurin is tame enough, so as long as they excise the Battle of Unnumbered Tears (which was glossed over in the text anyway). Not that Tolkien's estate will ever part with the rights
Um the Stargate movie was about a million times better than the tv show!
The Stargate movie was a frame of an idea that the tv fleshed out and made better.Um the Stargate movie was about a million times better than the tv show!
Um the Stargate movie was about a million times better than the tv show!
Personally would have preferred a two hour run time. Hour and a half always feels way too short. Never understood complaints about long movies.
The LotR trilogy should've been a high budget tv series on a premium network
Yeah, I get that. Only said two hours because don't want people thinking I'm crazy for being happy to watch a four hour movie.Even "long" movies are still too short for the scope of world-building that a lot of sci-fi/fantasty works are going for. Lord of the Rings extended trilogy is 12 hours long and still feels like they barely scratched the surface of Middle Earth lore.
that sounds good, this is just for the first book right?
As someone who's read The Gunslinger, and researched the other books and heard amazing things about them, they really should have just gone LOTR style with this and just converted each book in to a film, to respect the source material. This 94-minute frankenstein monster of a film, that's kind of a sequel, but not, that is kind of based on the books, but also not, just has disaster written all over it.
I saw the new trailer before Spiderman a few days back, and thought it looked pretty cool, but the way they're going about this, grabbing ideas from the books but also going creatively crazy with it, and now the short running time - I just can't see this being any good.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I doubt it. I'll still see this, but have set expectations low accordingly.