Steven_Jitters
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Dizzy-4U said:
I've only played the DS version but the SNES is said to have slowdown when starting a fight which the DS got rid of. Plus you get additional content as well.
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I've only played the DS version but the SNES is said to have slowdown when starting a fight which the DS got rid of. Plus you get additional content as well.
John Rabbit
Banned
Ranger X said:
this is exactly why i posted what i did.brain_stew said:
i want to see if anyone can agree on the best version of Doom.
honestly for me its the OG .wad running through vanilla doom. no frills. no nothing.
brain_stew
Member
BocoDragon said:
A perfect 60fps is the big appeal of the PC version of SA, but it has its own flaws.
brain_stew
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Rabbitwork said:
The original .wad offers nothing over ZDoom at all. You can get ZDoom to look and play exactly as the original did back in the day but you don't have to go through the hassle of setting up Dosbox. That alone makes it a better choice. There's really no debate, its simply the ultimate version.
brain_stew
Member
luka said:
All ports are "source ports." The retail versions are just generally much shittier than what the community can pump out. Yes they count, and yes ZDoom is the ultimate iteration of Doom.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Really.. I didn't know that. All this makes me more confidant in my decision to stick with the PS2 versions. I don't need those early 2000s era games to be in HD and it was a flagship PS series at the time anyway... But now I guess we're getting into intangible personal values..luka said:
Throwaway123456789
Member
Tetris.
Tetris DS.
That is all.
Tetris DS.
That is all.
brain_stew
Member
BocoDragon said:
You've clearly not visited the PCSX2 thread.
The ultimate version is the PS2 version played through PCSX2 imo.
ColonelColon
Member
VGChampion said:
Mega Man 8
Available on: Sega Saturn, Playstation, PC
Definitive version: Sega Saturn
Reasons: Saturn had on board RAM that the PS1 didn't at the time, supported smoother gameplay, better quality music, official fan artwork, voice test, music test and animation test for the cutscenes, and two extra bosses the PS1 version didn't have.
Mega Man Anniversary Collection
Available on: Playstation 2, Xbox, Gamecube
Definitive version: Xbox
Reasons: Included all the bonus stuff the PS2 & GC versions had (redone music, artwork, two games that weren't released outside of Japan), and a few small extras that the other two versions didn't have.
Available on: Sega Saturn, Playstation, PC
Definitive version: Sega Saturn
Reasons: Saturn had on board RAM that the PS1 didn't at the time, supported smoother gameplay, better quality music, official fan artwork, voice test, music test and animation test for the cutscenes, and two extra bosses the PS1 version didn't have.
Mega Man Anniversary Collection
Available on: Playstation 2, Xbox, Gamecube
Definitive version: Xbox
Reasons: Included all the bonus stuff the PS2 & GC versions had (redone music, artwork, two games that weren't released outside of Japan), and a few small extras that the other two versions didn't have.
John Rabbit
Banned
read my last post; original WAD running through vanilla doom. doesn't require ANYTHING other than having a finger to double-click the executable once the WAD file has been placed inside the directory.brain_stew said:
doom engine games not running in their original state look ugly to me. i prefer the undiluted pixelated junkiness of the engine.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Arkham Asylum (PS3)
Joker, motherfucker!
Joker, motherfucker!
metareferential
Member
brain_stew said:
We just need to agree on whether the designed ultimate version has to be a retail version running on a commercial platform (so to say) or not.
metareferential said:
I don't think fanmade source ports and emulators should qualify, but they should definitely be noted as the best way to currently experience them, mostly because in order to legally use these ports and emulators you still need to purchase the game in a commercial form.
it is the definitive way to play DOOM(and all compatible games) though. If someone wants to play DOOM for the first time today putting DOOM1.wad (from a disc, steam, or any other stores its on) into zdoom is the definitive way to play.luka said:
Lucas Arts adventure games are best through scummvm.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Naw. I'd rather just play games in the original resolution they were created for. (NOTE: my opinion will change once I have a PC that can run PCSX2 well)brain_stew said:
BocoDragon said:
Not a chance. Playing with stuff like FenixDown and Pearl and AtmaWeapon is far more of a loss than a higher resolution image, it's not like they just shrunk it all down, it fits the screen fine. Plus extra espers, dungeons, all the bugs are fixed (evade percentages actually work now, X-Zone/vanish glitch removed, you can actually use Sketch without erasing your game), the story is much more layered and complex, full item use descriptions, a bestiary... sacrificing massive gameplay/story/usability improvements and additions for an extra hundred lines of resolution on a handheld game is ridiculous.
FFVI Advance is clearly to any fan of the game the definitive version.
brain_stew
Member
Rabbitwork said:
That would happen if we were all still running Windows 95, but sadly the original Windows executable doesn't work on a modern Windows OS. Even id themselves distribute Doom with a bundled copy of Dosbox.
ZDoom has all the same undiluted pixelated junkiness of the original (or not, if you prefer, its on by default), you should really check it out. It doesn't take anything away from the original game, just adds a whole host of modern conveniences.
Scythesurge
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I would be one to say that the extra content for the DS version detracted from the overall game. The portability and touch screen menus were nice, and I'd say the translation is a matter of preference. I like the cut scenes and PSX menus though.HK-47 said:
I always heard that the Saturn version of Symphony of the Night (Nocturne in the Moonlight) was superior than the PSX version but I don't know why exactly.
Grayman said:
The TC obviously needs to clarify this, because 'definitive version' implies getting a complete game. When you download Zdoom or scummvm, you don't get a game. You still need to buy it in some form or another. "Best way to play" does not mean the same thing as "definitive version."
brain_stew
Member
Aaron Strife said:
There's no way you're getting away with that. Like all UE3 games the PC version is on a whole other level and being able to play as any iteration of Batman you can think of, throughout he main campaign is a much bigger perk than playing as Joker in some shitty challenge maps.
DJ Crimson
Banned
Yea
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It is NOT the definitive version to "any fan".lobdale said:
Higher quality Visuals + Music > > > slightly better translation + Extra shit that wasn't in the game to begin with
The music alone is half the appeal of FFVi, and though VI Advance is decent sound for GBA.. It's still the ear-raping GBA!
brain_stew
Member
Gravijah said:
It has plug and play support for the 360 controller.
brain_stew
Member
DJ Crimson said:
Well there was a PC port of Parallel Lines, so unless something went horribly wrong, that'll almost certainly be the definitive version and I'd be shocked if it didn't run on integrated graphics.
brain_stew
Member
Willy105 said:
Could we not step into the twilight zone, please.
Kyleripman
Member
Donkey Kong Country
Available on SNES, GBC, GBA, and Wii - VC (am I missing any?)
Definitive version: Wii VC - it's a perfect emulation of the SNES original, but adds analog support via the classic controller, if that's your thing.
Pirates of the Caribbean: at World's End (like anyone but me cares)
Available on: PS2, Wii, PC, PS3, 360
Definitive version: PC. The Pc/wii/ps2 version is better than the HD version gameplay-wise, and the PC version offers the best graphics out of those three, making it the best choice.
Available on SNES, GBC, GBA, and Wii - VC (am I missing any?)
Definitive version: Wii VC - it's a perfect emulation of the SNES original, but adds analog support via the classic controller, if that's your thing.
Pirates of the Caribbean: at World's End (like anyone but me cares)
Available on: PS2, Wii, PC, PS3, 360
Definitive version: PC. The Pc/wii/ps2 version is better than the HD version gameplay-wise, and the PC version offers the best graphics out of those three, making it the best choice.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Gravijah said:
I don't know about Guilty Gear (I imagine they are charming, simplified versions of the tunes?), but GBA does have really crappy sound. Everything is made up of badly compressed sound samples. "Scratchy". It doesn't have a dedicated sound processor.
Final Fantasy VI Advance does not sound bad - For GBA - but compared to the aural bliss of the SNES sound chip, it's not even close. For me the GBA version sounds bad enough in comparison that it's a deal breaker completely.
The game: Final Fantasy V
The contenders: SNES, PS1, GBA
The winner: GBA
It's really no contest. The SNES original is only playable in English by a fan-translation that was utilitarian if nothing else. It's scarcely better looking than Final Fantasy IV. The PS1 version is slow, glitchy, and has a worse translation than the fan translation.
The GBA remake is pure awesome. Excellent translation, excellent artwork, and modernized to fit in with modern Final Fantasy games (-a, -ara, -aga instead of -1, -2, -3, 'Holy' instead of 'Pearl', etc). Plus it has post-game content!
The contenders: SNES, PS1, GBA
The winner: GBA
It's really no contest. The SNES original is only playable in English by a fan-translation that was utilitarian if nothing else. It's scarcely better looking than Final Fantasy IV. The PS1 version is slow, glitchy, and has a worse translation than the fan translation.
The GBA remake is pure awesome. Excellent translation, excellent artwork, and modernized to fit in with modern Final Fantasy games (-a, -ara, -aga instead of -1, -2, -3, 'Holy' instead of 'Pearl', etc). Plus it has post-game content!
BocoDragon said:
Yes it's a pretty game visually and aurally but come on man. It's not like they scaled it down for cell-phones here or something.
Which one's the GBA? Have to look for more than a few seconds to figure it out? Exactly. Near equal visual fidelity, and slightly downsampled audio? In exchange for all the translation/bugfixes, censorship removal, more gameplay and bringing the game in-line with modern series conventions?
You've already proven that you put THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION in higher regard than the actual gameplay, favoring the SNES version over the GBA version is madness if you actually enjoy the world they constructed.
epmode said:
Don't get pissy, I'm not being contentious here. I'm just trying to help establish some base definitions to keep things organized. No one is arguing that Zdoom or any emulator/port isn't the absolute best method of running the games. I'm saying it should be supplementary info because it's more important to list the version of the game to buy if you wish to run it under those circumstances.
ex: Best version of Monkey Island 1/2 is the CD Monkey Island Madness (added CD audio and revamped interface in MI). Run with SCUMMVM for best compatibility and features.
(I don't like them as much, but if majority prefers the special edition remakes then I'm not going to debate that. I'm just using this as an example)
The SNES version looks and sounds much better than the GBA version. (And considering FF VI has one of the best soundtracks in any game ever, sound quality is important.) Also, the censored Celes beating scene is sucky.Man God said:
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brain_stew said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQ75rnywyA
Check out all the people complaining. As it turns out the fixed framerate messed up the audio sync.
Maybe it's not the same for everybody though.
lobdale said:
Yeah, the only real reason to dislike the GBA version is the lower quality music, or the world having more color. It's still the superior version in every else way.
Scythesurge
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Oh whoops, just kinda saw the Silhouette Mirage pics in that post.luka said: