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The End of the Office Dress Code

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John Kowalski said:
Why would you wear a hat indoors? That's like wearing sunglasses at night.
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Some people wear them for style, with blocking sunlight secondary or not even a reason. I've seen people wear beanies in warm weather. Doesn't bother me as much as sunglasses indoors/at night does. That screams more of you trying too hard to be cool than hats indoors do.
 
I have worked in some reasonably relaxed scenarios, but people always push the limit and get things rolled back.

I don't understand why people think it's ok to wear flip flops to work, but that was the final straw at one of my wife's jobs.
 
One vote for more dress code please. People wearing cartoon t-shirts to work is not a good look.

Also I notice a big correlation between hard working ambitious people and their dress code.
 
hydrophilic attack said:
So you're salty about what I said about lawyers? Hit too close to home?

You're right, I probably wouldn't be a hit at a lawyer party. Don't mind that though. The parties I tend to go to have people doing music and/or science/engineering. Way more interesting party if you ask me
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I'm not "salty." I'm just saying that you don't know what you're talking about when categorizing 95% of a profession as "parasites." But you do you. I don't go to lawyer parties anyway, and I guarantee I'm far more interesting than you or your buddies.
 
Junior Mint said:
I still wear a suit to work and I love it although I work in professional services.
There is no better feeling than a new haircut and a perfectly fitted suit.

I don't really understand companies that enforce dress codes when clients/externals never walk through their doors though.
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Your last statement is due to your first. Dress codes where you aren't in public view still have the effect on you yourself, your coworkers and the work atmosphere. Just think if even in a closed office, all people wore nothing but swim shorts. There is a psycohological effect, and I for one think the suit brings professionalism (its by design).

Tom Nook Sawyer said:
Did we just time travel to the 40s or something?

I've never seen people take off their hats indoors in any of the US cities I've lived in
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That irks me because that is just simple public etiquette. I take off my sunglasses even in a gas station store. Heck, I don't talk to anyone wearing sunglasses. I take my hat anywhere indoors. I admit I don't in quick visits to small stores, and I am not proud of that. But sunglasses always come off.

It is one of those things that aren't for you yourself, but to show acknowledgement and respect for others. It feels good when someone does that for you. It feels good doing it yourself. And as a bonus, it correlates to what you came to understand about social etiquette. So it is a win win.
 
Work as an engineer in the construction industry, only ever wear jeans and a t-shirt which turns to shorts and a t-shirt in the summer. Would hate having to wear suits or even a shirt to work.
 
hydrophilic attack said:
So you're salty about what I said about lawyers? Hit too close to home?

You're right, I probably wouldn't be a hit at a lawyer party. Don't mind that though. The parties I tend to go to have people doing music and/or science/engineering. Way more interesting party if you ask me
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Ayyy lmao. Everybody likes their own flavor. I'm sure your science shit is way cooler than lawyer parties because of reasons. At least lawyer parties have girls at them, right, even though they're certainly well known to prefer somber silence over music.
 
At the most I just wear an untucked european-style shirt with pants and comfy leather shoes.

But most of the time we all wear a t-shirt.
 
Lotto said:
i can't wear a suit if my profession is clown, that's ridiculous
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I dunno...he looks pretty good here:

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Shadowheart said:
It is one of those things that aren't for you yourself, but to show acknowledgement and respect for others.
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Anyone who thinks others should remove their hat as a sign of respect isn't worthy of said respect. It's a dated custom that I no longer see anyone honoring in my region.

Sunglasses is a different issue, since eye contact is much more important to social situations than the top of one's head (even if I personally don't give a shit if someone wants to wear them indoors or not)
 
Aselith said:
Ayyy lmao. Everybody likes their own flavor. I'm sure your science shit is way cooler than lawyer parties because of reasons. At least lawyer parties have girls at them, right, even though they're certainly well known to prefer somber silence over music.
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Wait what?
 
hydrophilic attack said:
To be honest, I hesitated before bolding law, because only 95 % or so of lawyers are parasites. There are a few people, like public defenders, human rights lawyers and some scholars that want to do something good for society, rather than just lining their pockets, like most people in the American justice system. (If the American justice system weren't so deeply rotten, why would everything be so fucking expensive? Why would it take years to do anything? It's a system designed to give advantages to the privileged, while fucking over the common man, all the while while almost everyone is lining their own pockets.)

As for what I do, I work at a university as a researcher in environmental catalysis. It's not really fulfilling though. It's burning me out, because it's very tough. Maybe I should have gone for an easy career like banking where all you have to do to succeed is dress nicely?
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Lol, I'd make a joke about your saltiness, but I guess I'm too busy smoking cigars, eating caviar, and leaching off society in general.

Morrigan Stark said:
Wait what?
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A majority of young lawyers are women. Back in law school, I think the gender split was about 60:40 in favour of women. Hell, at an old firm that I did my PLT in, there were like two guy lawyers and about ten girl lawyers.

Senior partners are still disproportionately male. That is slowly changing, but it varies by firm. Some are making a clear effort in considering women for partnership whereas others are still very much an old boy's club
 
Aselith said:
Ayyy lmao. Everybody likes their own flavor. I'm sure your science shit is way cooler than lawyer parties because of reasons. At least lawyer parties have girls at them, right, even though they're certainly well known to prefer somber silence over music.
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So you're saying there are no girls in engineering and science? Nice casual sexism bro
 
Tom Nook Sawyer said:
It's a dated custom
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It is a custom. And the idea is transferred through customs. We are talking about public etiquette. People of different cultures will have different 'customs' to show respect. What ever that custom may be, the point still stands.
We are talking about showing respect in public. How we express that is different in different cultures. But the point of 'showing' respects stands.This could be a 'tie' in your idea, or 'taking off a hat'.
 
I work in the teaching profession right now, the dress code is like, implied instead of directly given. Basically you show up looking decent in something more than a t-shirt and you're ok

It's funny, I've never seen anyone abuse the lack of a concrete dress code either
 
SolVanderlyn said:
I work in the teaching profession right now, the dress code is like, implied instead of directly given. Basically you show up looking decent in something more than a t-shirt and you're ok

It's funny, I've never seen anyone abuse the lack of a concrete dress code either
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Can you wear 1) cargo pants, 2) baseball cap, or 3) shorts?
 
SolVanderlyn said:
I work in the teaching profession right now, the dress code is like, implied instead of directly given. Basically you show up looking decent in something more than a t-shirt and you're ok

It's funny, I've never seen anyone abuse the lack of a concrete dress code either
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Only abusers I've known have been in IT.
 
I mean my office has a dress code but it's flexible. Only real rules are no sandals/flip flops in the office and no shorts. Which sucks. 90 degrees in the subway wearing pants and shoes sucks but welcome to being an adult. Other than that wear jeans and sneakers and a tshirt if you want.

But most here still tend to dress decently. I enjoy my jeans and button down. Casual enough to be comfortable but still look decent.

Ryde3 said:
seriously? You've never worn a hat for style? C'mon bro.
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I'm 35 and I've never worn a hat for style. I don't like hats. Except when it's freezing in the winter and I wear a hat. My bald head is gorgeous on its own. A hate just hides it. Fuck that.
 
Tom Nook Sawyer said:
I misspoke; it's definitely not a custom in the places I've lived.
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It doesn't matter what customs are where-regardless if you are personally aware of it or not. We are talking about the the principle- which is a human nature.


I have no idea where you're from, but I'm guessing it's not anywhere close to me since I don't see anyone abiding by such archaic rules (thankfully)
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Questioning where I'm from is irrelevant. Which is shown by you 'abiding' and being 'thankful' you don't live in the same place? Wow. How lucky are you, then? I live on Mars. You are so lucky you don't live on that crazy planet...

As for those paying attention; we are a social being and so there are social etiquette to signify to others respect and acknowledgement. You can be 'thankful' all you want if your point is to give the finger to your society.
 
I don't care if a company offered me a million dollars a year, if I'm not allowed to declare my individuality by wearing my flip flops and hawaiian shirt, I'm not taking the job!
 
Shadowheart said:
It doesn't matter what customs are where-regardless if you are personally aware of it or not. We are talking about the the principle- which is a human nature.
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The principle of removing ones hat? It doesn't exist if there's no custom surrounding it; there is nothing inherently respectful about the act of removing a hat

Shadowheart said:
Questioning where I'm from is irrelevant. Which is shown by you 'abiding' and being 'thankful' you don't live in the same place?
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The "thankful" was in reference to not feeling obligated to abide by a silly social construction; it was not commentary on wherever it is you may live

Shadowheart said:
As for those paying attention; we are a social being and so there are social etiquette to signify to others respect and acknowledgement.
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And removing ones hat is no longer a universally expected one.
 
I'll throw my hat in the ring here *bah dum crash*

I remove my hat indoors especially in a house or entering a place to eat. A lot of people consider that an outdated form of etiquette yes, but I just disagree. The norms of society have changed so it is whatever in the end.
 
Tom Nook Sawyer said:
The principle of removing ones hat? It doesn't exist if there's no custom surrounding it; there is nothing inherently respectful about the act of removing a hat
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Of course not. Why are you even mentioning the obvious?

The "thankful" was in reference to not feeling obligated to abide by a silly social construction; it was not commentary on wherever it is you may live
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Whether you perceive a sign of respect to be silly or not is irrelevant. In fact, it is completely cultural to see something as 'awesome' or as 'silly'. The Italian physical sign of saying 'fuck you' is hilarious to me. That doesn't mean anything except for a cultural divide.

And the best part is that you aren't obligated. Showing respect in a social being is natural- however a social group defines it. Whether that is showing your palm to show you aren't carrying a weapon (waving), removing a hat, touching the shoulder (like in The Sudan); the particular act is irrelevant and non is forced. The natural tendency for social being to show respect to the other members of the group is in our DNA. And there is no problem with that. If there was, we wouldn't have evolved that trait.


And removing ones hat is no longer a universally expected one.
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It's an example. Cultures evolve and change on how they interpret the specific act of showing meaning (whether it is insult or respect). The concept stands. The particulars change with time and geographic location.
 
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