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[BibiMaghoo]

What if I believe that I'm a human being with the rights associated therein and someone else decides i'm a cockroach fit only to be trodden on? Oh but pushing my beliefs on others is wrong and i should move along instead of making it a thing. Oh well I guess my hands are tied

Presumably you are factually a human being with rights, and not in fact a cockroach. That seems to be the problem with how people view this situation.

Some people will factually recognise a trans person as the gender they were born with.
Some people will be more respectful to a trans persons and identify them as they wish.

One is a factual birth gender. The other is a persons will, regardless of their mental need for it, which I would never deny, simply because it must take an incredible level of courage to take that road, more than I could conceive.

 

[Jintor]

I dont even want to discuss with you if you cant get your temper out of the way and start discussing logically instead of resorting to emotional outburst of logic.

!!!OUT OF CHEESE ERROR +++PLEASE REINSERT UNIVERSE AND REBOOT+++

 

[TheGraykid]

ITT people who do not believe that an inbuilt preselected sense of gender exists within your head that is more powerful than what hangs between your legs?

And anyway even if you don't believe that, and think the opposite, what stops you from not being a dick and speaking to people in the way they'd like to be spoken to? Is the exchange of a pronoun that hard?

 

[hobblygobbly]

Apologies, yes you were born in the wrong body. Still pushing your beliefs onto others is wrong, just move along instead of making it a thing, is that really too hard?

Isn't it sort of difficult to move along if they're being discriminated by people? Why don't transphobic, homophobic, racists etc keep their beliefs/views/opinions to themselves and moving along?

Or do you want to play the chicken or the egg problem. Did trans people start "pushing their beliefs" onto others, or did transphobic people start spewing their trash first?

I don't see trans people pushing beliefs onto others other than asking to be respected. If you hold views against trans people they're not asking you to change your views/beliefs but instead be respectful by not spewing vile transphobic shit towards them and others.

It's called respect. Something a lot of people lack. You can dislike/disagree with opinions/beliefs/views without being a hateful person.

 

[UTIII]

Yes. Discrimination is a big thing. Asking people to respect your gender is not pushing any beliefs. It's expecting someone to be a respectful person. If you can't be respectful don't be shocked with I call you a transphobe, because you're actually going out of your way to disrespect someone. For the record I'm not transgendered.

Sorry but not agreeing with how someone self identifies isn't being discriminatory how ever many poor comparisons you put forward.

You believe you are a woman born in a mans body, other person doesn't so don't be shocked if he refers to you as a man or tries to find a meet in the middle solution and removes gender pronouns when referring to you.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I dont even want to discuss with you if you cant get your temper out of the way and start discussing logically instead of resorting to emotional outburst of logic.

In the past, you have described the act of calling someone their preferred pronouns "putting your heart" into respecting them (or something of that nature). I do recommend that before you talk emotions, you not also be someone who has consistently used hyperbole to imply that not going out of his way to offend trans people was a massive ordeal.

But srsly tho, thanks for pointing out how emotionally logical I am. I'm like Modern Spock.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Presumably you are factually a human being with rights, and not in fact a cockroach. That seems to be the problem with how people view this situation.

Some people will factually recognise a trans person as the gender they were born with.
Some people will be more respectful to a trans persons and identify them as they wish.

One is a factual birth gender. The other is a persons will, regardless of their mental need for it, which I would never deny, simply because it must take an incredible level of courage to take that road, more than I could conceive.

You should read up on gender. One is born with a sex, not a gender.

 

[CHusson91]

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[BigDes]

I dont even want to discuss with you if you cant get your temper out of the way and start discussing logically instead of resorting to emotional outburst of logic.

There was literally nothing bad tempered about that post.

It was a clarification of what Brandon McFuckwit said and then a stab at interpreting your bizarre meaning of respect.

 

[danm999]

What the heck is it with straw men around here.
I have the problem that there are so many people being so aggressive to people that do not wholehearted swallow the concept of transsexuality and respecting it. I am not saying that we should accept people being beat up. Like I wrote earlier, I regard a transgender person as human. As such any crime committed against these should be treated equally.
That people are so aggressive about sexuality not being respecting in all corners is a problem for me when compared to many other much more important issues.

What straw man?

You literally used the phrase "first world problems" to describe transphobia in Western nations.

And now you double down in the bolded and say that there are more important issues requiring our attention.

You are not being misunderstood. And that's the problem.

 

[Weiss]

Why can't we all just get along?

Because people like Ben Morse and select commentators in this thread help perpetuate a culture of toxic ignorance and hatred under the guise of "just my opinion."

 

[Jintor]

I know English isn't your first language, but 'outburst of logic' is kind of an inherently funny phrase. Onion-tier phrasing.

 

[EntropyX]

Congratz.

See, instead of coming with a worthwhile comment so we can get enlighten you take a sentence out of an argument and try to ridicule my viewpoint as being "self evident".

 

[TylerDurden4321]

he's already treating tg people different. He's not respecting their own sense of self

People should refer to him as she now... just so he knows the feeling (even though that's not comparable, because it doesn't come with the social issues and subliminal disrespect trans-people face every day).

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Sorry but not agreeing with how someone self identifies isn't being discriminatory how ever many poor comparisons you put forward.

You believe you are a woman born in a mans body, other person doesn't so don't be shocked if he refers to you as a man or tries to find a meet in the middle solution and removes gender pronouns when referring to you.

You're a transphobe, i got that already no need to keep proving it. That person? They're a transphobe too. You can keep using your ridiculous jumps in logic but the fact still stands.

 

[Alucrid]

I am not a native speaker so I dont get the entirety of that reference. But then tell me if human rights are really rights then why are they getting broken more often than maintained.

you just said human rights don't exist, so why are you positing that question?

What the heck is it with straw men around here.
I have the problem that there are so many people being so aggressive to people that do not wholehearted swallow the concept of transsexuality and respecting it. I am not saying that we should accept people being beat up. Like I wrote earlier, I regard a transgender person as human. As such any crime committed against these should be treated equally.
That people are so aggressive about sexuality not being respecting in all corners is a problem for me when compared to many other much more important issues.

we aren't limited to one important issue a day. and it's more that people are being giant assholes about how they treat people because of a seemingly fictional agenda by said people being pushed into their faces.

I dont even want to discuss with you if you cant get your temper out of the way and start discussing logically instead of resorting to emotional outburst of logic.

how is an outburst of logic not logical?

 

[UTIII]

Honest question: are you truly that oblivious to the amount of crap that trans people put up with on a more or less constant basis? Do you not see why "just move along instead of making it a thing" is deeply insulting and so completely detached from the reality of most trans people's lives that it might as well be about residents of Narnia?

Like I said earlier how you interpret things or feel are your own issues, don't lob that onto someone else.

You cant force people to associate you as a woman, even if you believe you are not. And no its not like going around calling people "insert racial slur" before you say it is.

 

[Gbraga]

Hmmm, I'm actually ok with this one:

As in: I defend his right to be an ass.

I also don't mind a transphobic guy being hired, as long as they're sensible enough to not give him pieces to talk about this. He can be an ass and a great video game journalist at the same time, I guess.

But I can see why a lot of people would dislike that, especially if they liked The Escapist before.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

You should read up on gender. One is born with a sex, not a gender.

Sorry, you are right. Gender is a social construct, I won't edit my post, but sex is more accurate to it certainly.

 

[flkraven]

Wow. So they lose Jim, fire MovieBob, and hire this guy? I've already unsubscribed to them on YouTube, but this makes it concrete that I will never visit their site again

 

[KDR_11k]

I do not consider dignity to be a human right. Im very constrained when it comes to human rights. Humans as such do not have any rights, we are just lucky enough that we became top of the food chain and could make our own little paradise. What about all the people over the world that are being tortured and seeing hell? Transgender people in the west have problems but they have "human rights" as made by constitutions. The problems they have are 1st world problems compared to other people.

Take it up with the United Nations then. No, human rights are not universally respected but that's because the world is a shithole. The UDHR is prescriptive, it states what ought to be and what we must use all our power to work towards, not what the world is currently like.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I know English isn't your first language, but 'outburst of logic' is kind of an inherently funny phrase. Onion-tier phrasing.

Cmon now, you can't leave out emotional. It adds to the Onion-ness.

 

[digitaldevmike]

I dont even want to discuss with you if you cant get your temper out of the way and start discussing logically instead of resorting to emotional outburst of logic.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

See, instead of coming with a worthwhile comment so we can get enlighten you take a sentence out of an argument and try to ridicule my viewpoint as being "self evident".

I don't have any interest discussing something with somebody who feels the need to state that he sees transgender people as human. That's everything I need to know. It's a waste of my time.

 

[UTIII]

You're a transphobe, i got that already no need to keep proving it. That person? They're a transphobe too. You can keep using your ridiculous jumps in logic but the fact still stands.

Ooh uses catchy phobe words,

denoting a person having a fear or dislike of what is specified.

You don't have to fear or dislike someone because you disagree with calling them ma'am or mister if you disagree with that being the correct terminology you would use. Not succumbing to the wishes others doesn't make you a phobe.

 

[BigDes]

Like I said earlier how you interpret things or feel are your own issues, don't lob that onto someone else.

You cant force people to associate you as a woman, even if you believe you are. And no its not like going around calling people "insert racial slur" before you say it is.

No one is forcing you, they are saying it would be respectful toward me if...

and then rightly seeing you as rude at the very least for refusing. Especially when you seem incredibly unwilling to explain why you are refusing, other than some nebulous nonsense about demands.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Seriously though, we shouldn't need to tease a wording mistake. EntropyX has said enough things that can and should be mocked that we don't need to!

 

[Jintor]

Like I said earlier how you interpret things or feel are your own issues, don't lob that onto someone else.

You cant force people to associate you as a woman, even if you believe you are. And no its not like going around calling people "insert racial slur" before you say it is.

Awesome, I'll go tell TransGAF how wrong they are, I'm sure they'll see the reason in your argument

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Seriously though, we shouldn't need to tease a wording mistake. EntropyX has said enough things that can and should be mocked that we don't need to!

Come on now, this is a difficult subject to discuss for many people, and if english is not your first language, phrasing it may not be easy.

 

[roknin]

Sorry but not agreeing with how someone self identifies isn't being discriminatory how ever many poor comparisons you put forward.

You believe you are a woman born in a mans body, other person doesn't so don't be shocked if he refers to you as a man or tries to find a meet in the middle solution and removes gender pronouns when referring to you.

Right. And that person would be an ass.

IMO, of course.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Come on now, this is a difficult subject to discuss for many people, and if english is not your first language, phrasing it may not be easy.

I was saying that Entropy's opinions are worthy of ridicule, not his grammar/language issues :v

 

[UTIII]

No one is forcing you, they are saying it would be respectful toward me if...

and then rightly seeing you as rude at the very least for refusing. Especially when you seem incredibly unwilling to explain why you are refusing, other than some nebulous nonsense about demands.

Well it is when you attempt to ostracise them when they refuse to go along with it.

And it would be respectful for everybody if everybody involved was allowed to keep their own perfectly normal and rational point of view.

 

[UTIII]

Right. And that person would be an ass.

IMO, of course.

Well he wouldn't, the only ass would be the one who believes everyone should bend over to their demands.

 

[EntropyX]

Seriously though, we shouldn't need to tease a wording mistake. EntropyX has said enough things that can and should be mocked that we don't need to!

I only came into this thread to try to discuss in a civil manner and talk about some view points. And this is where we are at - passive aggressive tone over the entire board. Why does ALL discussions need to end like this. They all end with people ending the discussion having negative feelings. I feel like its a huge mistake that I even tried to be a part of this discussion.

 

[Jintor]

Also "succumbing to the wishes" fucking bullshit. You succumb to other people's wishes all the time, you succumb to wishes when you stay silent while someone else says grace, when you shake a person's hand instead of launching directly into conversation, when you couch things in polite phrasing instead of just stating demands. It's called basic social interaction in human society and if referring to people by the pronouns they would like causes you this much problems i suggest you re-evaluate what you really mean by withholding your precious pronouns

 

[A Link to the Past]

Well it is when you attempt to ostracise them when they refuse to go along with it.

And it would be respectful for everybody if everybody involved was allowed to keep their own perfectly normal and rational point of view.

It is normal in society for people to be ostracized for having outdated views that lean heavily into bigotry.

I only came into this thread to try to discuss in a civil manner and talk about some view points. And this is where we are at - passive aggressive tone over the entire board. Why does ALL discussions need to end like this. They all end with people ending the discussion having negative feelings. I feel like its a huge mistake that I even tried to be a part of this discussion.

The problem isn't us. The problem is that your arguments are half-hearted and baseless. If your reaction in any discussion where your argument holds no water is to complain when people mock you for it, then you might not be cut out for discussion.

 

[UTIII]

Awesome, I'll go tell TransGAF how wrong they are, I'm sure they'll see the reason in your argument

Why when that wasn't even the point or even said, people are free to identify as they wish and best of luck to them.

 

[EntropyX]

you just said human rights don't exist, so why are you positing that question?



we aren't limited to one important issue a day. and it's more that people are being giant assholes about how they treat people because of a seemingly fictional agenda by said people being pushed into their faces.



how is an outburst of logic not logical?

Yeah, my bad. I did not write faulty logic.

 

[Jintor]

Why when that wasn't even the point or even said, people are free to identify as they wish and best of luck to them.

Because your opinions have consequences for people, and presenting those opinions to the people who the consequences fall on is a pretty good way to get an idea of what those consequences might be?

 

[ModBot]

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