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The eXtreme Box

Chi-Town

Member
We've had a couple of threads on that cheesy pirated NES roms system done up like an N64 controller but today I saw something new at the mall.

The eXtreme Box

Okay, imagine that someone shrunk an Xbox down to about 1/10th it's size, made the X shape on the top of the case blue but kept the green jewel. Slap on some Atari 2600 style controller ports and the ability to play NES games like Spiderman VS the Sinister Six from LJN. One of the wierdest things I've ever seen.
 

Shifty

Member
Congratulations on finding a thread that's over a decade old with no replies to bump. That's actually kind of impressive in its own way.
 
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Shifty

Member
At least I'm the first person to comment on it at all.
Poor show of composure though.

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Hold this.
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
I’ll bet $5 the bumper is not being completely honest about themselves.

I’m watchin’ you.

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Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
LOL!

Anyway, just to start a discussion here: Have any of you guys seen any other weird consoles similar to the one the OP is describing?
Yep:


I’ll bet $5 the bumper is not being completely honest about themselves.

I’m watchin’ you.

tenor.gif
Considering the bump, the post that made the bump, and the fact this is a new user, i am buying into your idea.

I am going to
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this bump.

What's this supposed to mean? You're not even a mod.
Funny that you add in the bolded. Why? Do you have an axe to grind and you figured a casual introduction would be to necrobump a thread from the stone age?
 
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Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Man come on, let's just keep the discussion about these consoles. How old this thread is shouldn't matter bro.
I recall necrobumping was rightly frowned upon.

I also gave you an example. Why not address that instead if you want to maintain the topic?
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Right.

So about the example. Wow, I guess some people don't even give a second thought towards making consoles. It was probably made by some guy who was drunk off his ass.
It was made by Chinese knock off companies, it uses a Sunplus processor. These same companies also produce Famiclones (Clones of the NES) and actually improved upon its capabilities with OneBus architecture.

They aren't drunk, they just use extremely cheap components. Making a famiclone costs next to nothing. It was also the basis of Playpower, an initative to provide third world countries with NES based keyboards so they could have their own el cheapo computer at home. For these countries, the tech equivalent of a NES is huge.
 

Shifty

Member
What's this supposed to mean? You're not even a mod.
It's supposed to mean "you necrobumped a 14 year old thread without thinking, and are now rolling with the narrative of 'i was starting a discussion' in an attempt to save face rather than taking it on the chin and admitting that you fucked up".
(Is that about right Scopa Scopa ?)

It doesn't help that your alleged discussion starter was "lol retarded" not once but twice. That's not exactly high discourse, know what I'm saying?

It was made by Chinese knock off companies, it uses a Sunplus processor. These same companies also produce Famiclones (Clones of the NES) and actually improved upon its capabilities with OneBus architecture.

They aren't drunk, they just use extremely cheap components. Making a famiclone costs next to nothing. It was also the basis of Playpower, an initative to provide third world countries with NES based keyboards so they could have their own el cheapo computer at home. For these countries, the tech equivalent of a NES is huge.
Your knowledge of obscure hardware never ceases to amaze, Red. What does the Playpower thing entail- a spectrum-style integrated keyboard + NES running some sort of basic OS ROM?
 
Weird issues with the thread / bump aside, all I know is I want one. They are No. 1 in quality after all. No one else can make that claim.
 

Shifty

Member
People can discuss these things without replying to me directly, ya know?
Hey, you asked!

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Weird issues with the thread / bump aside, all I know is I want one. They are No. 1 in quality after all. No one else can make that claim.
I mean if it's a "Super Console" then it clearly has our existing Normal Console Xboxes and Playstations beat. Everything is better if you prefix it with Super!
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Your knowledge of obscure hardware never ceases to amaze, Red. What does the Playpower thing entail- a spectrum-style integrated keyboard + NES running some sort of basic OS ROM?
It was essentially a british initative to buy up famiclones that were in a keyboard and a basic OS in a cartridge. Chinese hacks produced their own takes on Windows, but they also included a BASIC interpreter.

More info:
playpower.org/
http://playpower.pbworks.com/w/page/17230477/About the $10 Computer and Playpower

EDIT: Actually through my research for this post i found out that there has been a follow up to this called Basic Engine. It ditches the NES for something equallty cheap but more modern: https://basicengine.org/history.html

There is also a great write up on these specialized Famiclones, by HelloACM including using DOS (That's right, NES hardware actually was converted to accomodate home computer stuff):
https://helloacm.com/the-8-bit-dos-by-famicom-clone-bbgdos-in-the-1990s/
https://helloacm.com/a-quick-overview-of-different-versions-for-8-bit-bbg-dos-famicom-clone/
https://helloacm.com/the-childhood-memory-subor-famicom-clone-sb-486d-xiao-ba-wang/
https://helloacm.com/tag/6502
http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=10474.0

I am also aware of the chips used, here is a PDF: http://gannon.portablesofdoom.org/SH6578_Spec_V980826.pdf
Sinowealth SH6578 and Novatek NH6578

Lastly, there is OneBus hardware that actually expands the colours on NES hardware and there are even some exclusives:
https://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/VTxx
Datasheets: http://www.vrt.com.tw/datasheet.htm
There are several interesting features from both a hardware and software perspective. Take for example the VT03 chip:
50/60Hz, PAL or NTSC selectable
Stereo sound! There are two APUs, the second is accessed in the region $4020-$4035
Optional "one bus" operation, i.e. a single ROM chip contains both PRG and CHR data. (Cartridges for the OneStation console probably use that feature.)
Timer interrupt facility, can count down PA12 or HSYNC (scanline) transitions
High-colour palette mode; according to the datasheet, there are 121 possible colours. Colours specified in $3Fxx and $3Fxx + $80
Built-in bank selection hardware, change H/V mirroring in software ($4106 bit 0)
16-colour sprites and large sprites (16 pixels wide)
PS: There is also a Megadrive keyboard: http://segaretro.org/EZcom
Thank you btw :)
 

Meowzers

Member
I've been trying to reply to the OP since 2005, but I only just upgraded my 56k modem to broadband.

Y'all got any rumours and leaked specs for the new Microsoft console coming out this year? I did hear it'll be called 'Xbox 360'.
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
It's supposed to mean "you necrobumped a 14 year old thread without thinking, and are now rolling with the narrative of 'i was starting a discussion' in an attempt to save face rather than taking it on the chin and admitting that you fucked up".
(Is that about right Scopa Scopa ?)
Not sure about the not thinking part. I have to question the motives of a person who joins GAF 5 days ago and then necrobumps a thread from 2005 to say “that would be so retarded”.

I can’t help but suspect they are not here for genuine reasons. We’ll see. Time will tell.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I was just browsing around, looking for cool threads to discuss, then went to the beginning of the forums and found this long forgotten thread that I found cool, and figured "Hey, I can add my input on a console like that".

Then afterwards, everyone came attacking me for no reason. I guess this console was so reviled that even bringing it up heats up a flame of anger in the hearts of NeoGAF.
Because Necrobumping is frowned upon, especially when your post does not contain anything worth of value.

You could have replied to my link-rich post instead and have an actual discussion going on.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I'm sorry, is a thread like food? Does it have an expiration date on it that says (you cannot post in this thread after *insert random date* here)?
Actually, involving netiquette, it does. If nobody didn't, we would be bumping threads from the 90's because hey, why not right?

Please get into the topic at hand, there is a lengthy post waiting for you.
 

Shifty

Member
It was essentially a british initative to buy up famiclones that were in a keyboard and a basic OS in a cartridge. Chinese hacks produced their own takes on Windows, but they also included a BASIC interpreter.

More info:
playpower.org/
http://playpower.pbworks.com/w/page/17230477/About the $10 Computer and Playpower

EDIT: Actually through my research for this post i found out that there has been a follow up to this called Basic Engine. It ditches the NES for something equallty cheap but more modern: https://basicengine.org/history.html

There is also a great write up on these specialized Famiclones, by HelloACM including using DOS (That's right, NES hardware actually was converted to accomodate home computer stuff):
https://helloacm.com/the-8-bit-dos-by-famicom-clone-bbgdos-in-the-1990s/
https://helloacm.com/a-quick-overview-of-different-versions-for-8-bit-bbg-dos-famicom-clone/
https://helloacm.com/the-childhood-memory-subor-famicom-clone-sb-486d-xiao-ba-wang/
https://helloacm.com/tag/6502
http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=10474.0

I am also aware of the chips used, here is a PDF: http://gannon.portablesofdoom.org/SH6578_Spec_V980826.pdf
Sinowealth SH6578 and Novatek NH6578

Lastly, there is OneBus hardware that actually expands the colours on NES hardware and there are even some exclusives:
https://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/VTxx
Datasheets: http://www.vrt.com.tw/datasheet.htm
There are several interesting features from both a hardware and software perspective. Take for example the VT03 chip:
50/60Hz, PAL or NTSC selectable
Stereo sound! There are two APUs, the second is accessed in the region $4020-$4035
Optional "one bus" operation, i.e. a single ROM chip contains both PRG and CHR data. (Cartridges for the OneStation console probably use that feature.)
Timer interrupt facility, can count down PA12 or HSYNC (scanline) transitions
High-colour palette mode; according to the datasheet, there are 121 possible colours. Colours specified in $3Fxx and $3Fxx + $80
Built-in bank selection hardware, change H/V mirroring in software ($4106 bit 0)
16-colour sprites and large sprites (16 pixels wide)
PS: There is also a Megadrive keyboard: http://segaretro.org/EZcom
Thank you btw :)
Wow, that's a little subset of the tech industry that I never knew existed- a DOS on a game console, no reason it shouldn't work, but such a surprise that it does. I'd even go so far as to say it deserves its own thread :messenger_winking:
The Basic Engine story is a quality read too if you have a familiarity with hardware hacking, worrying about the cent cost of chips takes me back to trying to spec out a baseball cap with head tracking functionality.

And a keyboard-integrated megadrive? Sounds retroactively amazing. I wonder if it still had the same tasty sound chip or whether they subbed in a knock-off.

That PlayPower example image though, my eyes!

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Come on mate, it had to do with the topic. Necrobumping should only be a problem if I replied by saying something like, "And bananas are my favorite fruit".
How is that worse than 'That would be so retarded' ? It'd probably result in the same outcome, but still :pie_thinking:

I don't think this whole "necrobumping" thing is a bad thing at all.
You can generally offset the frowning if the post you necro with is of high quality and offers something insightful or relevant to reignite the discussion.
Otherwise you tend to become the discussion. Forums! \:messenger_grinning_smiling:/
 
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