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[Dicer]

A step in fixing a broken food system, I'm down, give me all the synth food I can eat.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

I understand what your saying, I just feel like there's something missing that we can't replicate or are doing wrong. It ain't natural. I don't think any of us in here are equiped to say if it's safe or not in the long run, but man this bothers me.

At one point, somebody had to be the first to test if a certain natural food is edible or nutritious. Right now, we have the FDA and can be pretty damn near certain if there's any danger in eating certain foods before they enter the food supply. It's understandable if you're too skeptical to be one of the first to try it but when eventually synthetic meat becomes more common than natural, you can know exactly what the side-effects or whatever are if there are any. Even then you might not be comfortable with the process behind it but at that point it should make sense to you why it is necessary (mostly for environmental reasons).

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Scroll down for a short video of the presentation:

http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/3543236/hamburger-van-kweekvlees-gepresenteerd-in-londen.html

It doesn't look too shabby.
Looks like McD quality:

 

[Orrichio]

Perfect candidate for a real "whataburger". As in, WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

 

[NinjaFridge]

They said it could 10-20 years before we can buy this in stores. This a big deal. Meat is a huge industry and it isn't going to go away anytime soon, so anything that can help reduce the environmental impact is good news. Even if it ends up replacing the low cost burgers only, like the ones in fast food places, that's great.

 

[RiZ III]

Can't imagine this stuff being noncancerous, but hey everything gives you cancer these days. Bring it on.

 

[kurbaan]

Like all other fake food this got no place in my body.

 

[Xavien]

I'd eat it, who cares if its grown in a lab on in a paddock. Meat is pretty much meat, needs some fat though to tenderize and give a sweeter flavour.

Like all other fake food this got no place in my body.

How can it be fake if its literally cow muscle cells?

 

[Bushido Kid]

Yea pass on this you can't substitute real food no matter what it is.

 

[iceDragon7]

Wait, google is behind this?

http://news.yahoo.com/first-reaction-lab-made-burger-134553131.html

fascinating. NSA burgers? Not Safe for Anyone?

 

[GatorBait]

Can they "grow" meat with the same nutritional profile as grass-fed beef? I could get behind this if they can.

 

[Orayn]

I am a huge advocate of lab-grown meat and I would gladly eat one of these. For science!

Yea pass on this you can't substitute real food no matter what it is.

We can't substitute real food yet because this technology is in its infancy. Give it time.

Can they "grow" meat with the same nutritional profile as grass-fed beef? I could get behind this if they can.

Theoretically. What they can grow right now is fairly limited, but eventually we could get pretty fine-grained control over all the little details.

 

[CornBurrito]

Can't imagine this stuff being noncancerous, but hey everything gives you cancer these days. Bring it on.

Not any more cancerous than red meat I'd imagine which has been linked to cancers IIRC.

Like all other fake food this got no place in my body.

Another person who understands nothing about biology. What makes this food fake? It is real meat. It is literally cloned animal tissue.

 

[Krauser Kat]

Like all other fake food this got no place in my body.

what isn't fake food now?

 

[CornBurrito]

what isn't fake food now?

Meat from a farmed cow with "proper trace amounts of pesticides, petrochemicals, heavy metals, PCBs, etc..."

So real, unlike this cloned animal tissue. Somehow that makes it less real because... hrmm

 

[Downhome]

For people who are vegetarians only because they are against the slaughter of animals, would something like this be something they could be fine with and get behind?

 

[Orayn]

what isn't fake food now?

Nothing domesticated, that's for sure. We've been making genetically engineered frankenplants since the dawn of agriculture!

You've got to go dig up and eat wild roots and pick unappetizing berries if you want the real deal. That is true food.

For people who are vegetarians only because they are against the slaughter of animals, would something like this be something they could be fine with and get behind?

Some vegetarians are in favor of this, yeah. Only problem is that a lot of current methods require other animal products to make it grow...

 

[Ravensmash]

Meat from a farmed cow with "proper trace amounts of pesticides, petrochemicals, heavy metals, PCBs, etc..."

So real, unlike this cloned animal tissue. Somehow that makes it less real because... hrmm

Yeah, all this talk about it being 'dangerous' is making me somewhat baffled.

If anything, isn't it cleaner because of the environment it was made in? It's literally just cow tissue.

 

[Dark Octave]

At one point, somebody had to be the first to test if a certain natural food is edible or nutritious. Right now, we have the FDA and can be pretty damn near certain if there's any danger in eating certain foods before they enter the food supply. It's understandable if you're too skeptical to be one of the first to try it but when eventually synthetic meat becomes more common than natural, you can know exactly what the side-effects or whatever are if there are any. Even then you might not be comfortable with the process behind it but at that point it should make sense to you why it is necessary (mostly for environmental reasons).

Thanks for understanding that some people may have concerns no matter if they are founded, proven or otherwise. I would try it, but I wouldn't make a habit of it. Everything we eat is processed to some point but I just have a (maybe illogical) feeling that this is going too far.

But you are right, I do not yet understand the environmental impact this could have. Maybe this is the greatest thing to ever happen to man and it cures world hunger on top of everything esle.

 

[Roland1979]

Maybe but once there is an alternative so easily accessible, laws will be passed to outlaw the murder of such animals.

Not murder. Nature. We where designed to eat meat. It's how you raise and kill them, not if.
How will it taste? Does not the environment of a animal partially influences it's taste?

 

[CornBurrito]

Thanks for understanding that some people may have concerns no matter if they are founded, proven or otherwise. I would try it, but I wouldn't make a habit of it. Everything we eat is processed to some point but I just have a (maybe illogical) feeling that this is going too far.

But you are right, I do not yet understand the environmental impact this could have. Maybe this is the greatest thing to ever happen to man and it cures world hunger on top of everything esle.

People can understand why there are concerns, but that doesn't change that some concerns are completely unfounded and irrational. Red meat is already linked to cancer, cloned in a lab or not. MSG is a naturally occurring compound. Corn syrup isn't inherently deadly. Literally every one of your concerns was invalid, or a concern that could already be attached to existing meat. People also think this meat is fake protein-like compound, when it is real meat. Cloned animal tissue is real meat. Not some primordial sludge made from compounds that wouldn't be found in real cows.

Nothing domesticated, that's for sure. We've been making genetically engineered frankenplants since the dawn of agriculture!

Domestication doesn't count as unnaturally modifying animals because...

 

[Roland1979]

Another person who understands nothing about biology. What makes this food fake? It is real meat. It is literally cloned animal tissue.

It is not fake, it is unnatural. Doesn't mean i'm opposed to it, but i do wander if and how many studies have been done about eating cloned food. And if you are what you eat, then what are we when eating cloned meat? And if environment influences the taste of meat, how will it taste? How can we improve it's taste?

 

[cyberheater]

It maybe a stupid question but is this meat vegetarian in that no animal is harmed in any way to produce it?

 

[iamaustrian]

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Not going to argue with you (a joke poster, right?) - but either way, I'm ashamed of your post since you obviously don't have any idea how in-vitro meat is produced and how the meat industry currently treat animals (pre- and postmortem) in order to "produce" supercheap, EU-funded garbage meat you're happily buying from Billa and Spar for a ridiculous low price.

If you're man enough, go hunt and kill for yourself. Eat as much meat as you want but stay the fuck away from supporting this industry.

so you know where I get my meat?
wow. what are you? some kind of professor X?
Actually I'm ashamed of your post because you didn't seem to read my post.
seriously. what the hell is wrong with you?

btw: I get all my meat exclusivly from our 2 local farmers in our village for a ridiculous high price. but it's worth it. I neither support nor buy any of your "supercheap garbage meat". at all

 

[Roland1979]

Maybe this is the greatest thing to ever happen to man and it cures world hunger on top of everything esle.

It will not cure world hunger, since there's enough food to survive on for mankind at this very moment. It's the unfair distribution what does need to change. Most food grown worldwide is shipped to the West and rich countries. If it does change you will suddenly pay a lot of money for a small amount of food. But these kinds of politics will not (easily) change, human kind is divided.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Alright, lets get those mars touristic colonies built then. You label this as space food, and people will buy it.

 

[Screenboy]

A good excuse for restaurants to rise the price of normal burgers I guess.

 

[cyberheater]

So not vegetarian yet.

grown in a broth made from a calf blood product

 

[besada]

So not vegetarian yet.

No, but eventually they'll be using cloned blood as well. The plan is to eventually clone an entire circulatory system for the vat meat.

 

[TheRealTalker]

lol our creepy future is slowly crawling in

 

[CornBurrito]

It is not fake, it is unnatural. Doesn't mean i'm opposed to it, but i do wander if and how many studies have been done about eating cloned food. And if you are what you eat, then what are we when eating cloned meat? And if environment influences the taste of meat, how will it taste? How can we improve it's taste?

Can you give a well reasoned argument for why domestication and thousands of years of artificial selection is natural? Or how modern farming techniques are natural? Or why natural is good and artificial is bad?

Given that chickens and cows are bred for specific purposes, do you require studies every couple of generations when eating animal products? How do we know that modern chickens haven't recently been bred for some recessive trait that makes them slightly more plump but 100 times more cancerous? Unintentionally of course.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I understand what your saying, I just feel like there's something missing that we can't replicate or are doing wrong. It ain't natural. I don't think any of us in here are equiped to say if it's safe or not in the long run, but man this bothers me.

Cooking our food with fire isn't 'natural.'

In fact, some surmise that the act of cooking our food has fundamentally changed our evolution as a species.


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Anyways, I'm highly skeptical of this movement ever gaining traction. Human beings are extremely sensitive to taste and do not adapt very well once they associate certain tastes with certain things.

Even the slight taste differences in bottled water versus tap water can send most be heading for the hills (one way or the other).

 

[CornBurrito]

Cooking our food with fire isn't 'natural.'

In fact, some surmise that the act of cooking our food has fundamentally changed our evolution as a species.


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Anyways, I'm highly skeptical of this movement ever gaining traction. Human beings are extremely sensitive to taste and do not adapt very well once they associate certain tastes with certain things.

Even the slight taste differences in bottled water versus tap water can send most be heading for the hills (one way or the other).

Eh, cultural preferences can be changed. Just use cloned meat for school cafeterias and kids will become accustomed to it.

 

[Wiktor]

In fact, some surmise that the act of cooking our food has fundamentally changed our evolution as a species.).

Yes, changed for better. There propbly would be no human civilization without it.


Also...I hope they will also just start making more meat from insects. Much cheaper than cows, chicken and pigs, they grow far faster, have more protein, don't need as much space and they don't affect enviorement as much.

 

[CornBurrito]

Yes, changed for better. There propbly would be no human civilization without it.


Also...I hope they will also just start making more meat from insects. Much cheaper than cows, chicken and pigs, they grow far faster, have more protein, don't need as much space and they don't affect enviorement as much.

Yeah I wish we had a culture that would readily accept bugs as a food source. McDonalds brand fly slurry. Made from premium bred quality fruit flies.

But the very idea of eating insects sickens me. That's going to be much harder to get people to accept than cloned cow.

 

[poppabk]

So not vegetarian yet.

Probably FBS, you probably don't want to Google how they get that. But it's just to provide the correct growth hormones and nutrients, the next step would be to artificially generate the growth hormones as well, which would make the whole process close to animal cruelty free.

 

[Roland1979]

Can you give a well reasoned argument for why domestication and thousands of years of artificial selection is natural? Or how modern farming techniques are natural? Or why natural is good and artificial is bad?

Domestication is somewhat natural because animals use a reward system to let other (species) of animals work for them (and share the loot). Artificial selection is somewhat natural, though at the same time not, it is a bit like natural selection speed up. In nature totally different gene pools end up breeding as well. Nature selects the strongest genes, we try to pick traits ourselves. In nature sometimes it too backfires, with diseases and certain flaws. Often nature resolves it by having only the strongest survive. There is a alternative to modern farming so this is not a obsolete. And modern farming should change and is not very natural at all. I never voted for it. But going from unnatural to even more unnatural is not what i want. It's not what is unnatural IMO, it is what is man made. So many modern illness are now being traced back by a unnatural life style. Not just what we eat; our chemical laden clothes (chemicals are not necessarily bad, everything is chemistry), electronics, sitting all day then trying to compensate by sporting (still failing, but far less), mass pollution, a corporate ruled world you name it. So it's not that something chemical is bad and unnatural, it's when we humans assume we are so smart and try to play with fire we sometimes burn ourselves. Sometimes severely. Maybe in a few hundred years from now we will be able to handle this responsibility yet, but for now i trust nature over man made.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I want to try one. Meat is meat. As long as it doesn't give me cancer, I'll eat it. PEACE.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

I will not give up real meat even at premium to this stuff. But im not against it. It will be valuable for future generations when they get look taste and production cost parity.

 

[-Eddman-]

Breathing air gives you cancer these days, fuck it, I would love to try this. Huge advancement for the environment and we don't have to eat bugs as the UN recommended some time ago.

 

[Somnid]

So here are our future sustainable options:

-Go vegetarian (not even good unsustainable organic vegetarian, like corporate farm GMOs).
-Eat bugs.
-Artificial Meat.

Honestly we'll need all 3 to sustain us until the real population wall but artificial meat doesn't sound so bad.

 

[Wiktor]

But the very idea of eating insects sickens me. That's going to be much harder to get people to accept than cloned cow.

80% of nations already have insects in their diets. If the meat would be cheaper and made to look like regular burgers I think even plenty of westerners would try. We don't need to switch everybody, any significant percentage would have great results.

 

[Pimpwerx]

And here's the verdict:

One thing I'll say, I'd trust the verdict of an American audience after prepared by some Texan chef. The only reason I say that is the few burgers I tried in Europe were all pretty awful. Qualify of beef is subpar, and they just don't cook it right over there. I've had the best Texan BBQ, and there's just no comparison. PEACE.

 

[GungHo]

It doesn't look too shabby.
Looks like McD quality:

I can't wait to order a McBeaker.

 

[Wiktor]

One thing I'll say, I'd trust the verdict of an American audience after prepared by some Texan chef. The only reason I say that is the few burgers I tried in Europe were all pretty awful. Qualify of beef is subpar, and they just don't cook it right over there. I've had the best Texan BBQ, and there's just no comparison. PEACE.

Europe always prefed pork and our pork spanks american one silly

 

[Dark Octave]

It will not cure world hunger, since there's enough food to survive on for mankind at this very moment. It's the unfair distribution what does need to change. Most food grown worldwide is shipped to the West and rich countries. If it does change you will suddenly pay a lot of money for a small amount of food. But these kinds of politics will not (easily) change, human kind is divided.

Well if it's shelf life is years until you "add water", I would imagine it could be shipped much easier. I can see the advantage in that.

But you're right. Someone will want to get paid, just like how it is now.

 

[frankthurk]

Europe always prefed pork and our pork spanks american one silly

America is a big place. BBQ in North Carolina = pork, and it's pretty damn good.

 

[DurielBlack]

This and those skyscraper farms (I forget what they are called), would solve world hunger in a pinch.

As soon as Monsanto figures out a way to control this and make more profit than traditional means, it will happen.

 

[CornBurrito]

Well if it's shelf life is years until you "add water", I would imagine it could be shipped much easier. I can see the advantage in that.

But you're right. Someone will want to get paid, just like how it is now.

Why would its shelf life be "until you add water" when it is living animal flesh?

Domestication is somewhat natural because animals use a reward system to let other (species) of animals work for them (and share the loot). Artificial selection is somewhat natural, though at the same time not, it is a bit like natural selection speed up. In nature totally different gene pools end up breeding as well. Nature selects the strongest genes, we try to pick traits ourselves. In nature sometimes it too backfires, with diseases and certain flaws. Often nature resolves it by having only the strongest survive. There is a alternative to modern farming so this is not a obsolete. And modern farming should change and is not very natural at all. I never voted for it. But going from unnatural to even more unnatural is not what i want. It's not what is unnatural IMO, it is what is man made. So many modern illness are now being traced back by a unnatural life style. Not just what we eat; our chemical laden clothes (chemicals are not necessarily bad, everything is chemistry), electronics, sitting all day then trying to compensate by sporting (still failing, but far less), mass pollution, a corporate ruled world you name it. So it's not that something chemical is bad and unnatural, it's when we humans assume we are so smart and try to play with fire we sometimes burn ourselves. Sometimes severely. Maybe in a few hundred years from now we will be able to handle this responsibility yet, but for now i trust nature over man made.

Sorry but this argument seems fallacious. How is domestication natural? You seem to be saying it is natural because it is making use of already existing genes, and using the process of selection much like nature would. But then how is cloning meat unnatural? We're taking natural cells that already exist and cultivating them so that they grow. It seems no more unnatural than actively selecting cows until they would die without the protection of humans. Dairy cows are an obvious example. They produce so much milk so often that they'd die in the wild. Also strongest does not mean fittest. Evolution does not select for strength, but for evolutionary fitness.

Anyway your argument is essentially slippery slope fallacy. "Corporations are greedy, therefore I want to freeze all technological development." Do you get upset when cures for diseases are discovered or created in a lab?

 

[poppabk]

Why would its shelf life be "until you add water" when it is living animal flesh?

Growing and packing in a sterile environment could give it an extremely long shelf life though.