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[Snakeyes]

"reasonably sized screen at a fairly close viewing distance"

And who decides what's "reasonable"? You?

The market.

THX recommends a 8.9 feet distance from a 80 inch TV to achieve a 36 degree viewing angle. At that screen size, you can see an improvement over 1080p from a distance starting at 10 feet.

I guess you're the lucky owner of an 80 inch TV then?

But again, let's take a look at the market statistics;

http://blog.vanns.com/top-10-hdtvs-of-2011/

You can see that the average display has stabilized around 46-50 inches. At that size you need to be between 5 - 7.5 feet away from the screen to meet THX standards and a 50 inch display reaches "Retina" quality at 6.5 feet, which is well within that range.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Wake me when they're more affordable.
I mean jeez, I could get a car for that price.

 

[Punkster_NY]

LG's 84-inch 4K ultra high definition TV goes on sale in the US next month for $19,999

LG said it would release its 84-inch 4K (3,840 x 2,160, or four times the resolution of your current HDTV) UHDTV outside Korea this month and the company confirmed shipments would be on the way during an event at CEDIA 2012 before also announcing an MSRP of $19,999. According to LG the first units will begin shipping this month, with limited availability through the usual high-end sources slated for October. Just as we'd heard, the 84LM9600 includes LG's passive glasses Cinema 3D technology plus all the Smart TV, WiDi, dual-core L9 processor, 2.2 channel speakers and Magic Remote bells and whistles it can muster.

source

 

[Onemic]

The market.



I guess you're the lucky owner of an 80 inch TV then?

But again, let's take a look at the market statistics;

http://blog.vanns.com/top-10-hdtvs-of-2011/

You can see that the average display has stabilized around 46-50 inches. At that size you need to be between 5 - 7.5 feet away from the screen to meet THX standards and a 50 inch display reaches "Retina" quality at 6.5 feet, which is well within that range.

But the 4K TV's are 84' so how does that even matter?

 

[alternade]

I really need to see what 4K looks like. Hopefully my Sony Store will have this soon.

 

[Snakeyes]

But the 4K TV's are 84' so how does that even matter?

Well, the stats kinda show that the average person has settled with a 46-50 inch TV even though larger models are available at an affordable price. Doesn't that make the push to 80 inch displays (where the benefit of 4K becomes visible) a bit redundant?

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[DieH@rd]

I have been holding my breath for a nice 50 inch 1080p Flatscreen with true 120Hz and 0 input lag with great viewing angles since the start of this console generation. Where the fuck are those?

You basicly want OLED HDTV. You can buy only 55" models, and those are ~$8000 now.

 

[glaurung]

4k is cool and Intelligent LEDs are cool.

But I cannot stand the fact that these new Sony Bravia sets are designed so horribly. The speakers on the 4k set look flimsy and ugly. The stand on the new X series looks gaudy.

Where did the cool monolithic design go to?

 

[michaelius]

So if Sony are banking on 4K tech taking off and the next Playstation will feature support for this surely that must be evidence that PS4 is going to be a bit of a beast spec wise? I mean imagine the kind of CPU and GPU needed to out put games in that kind of res.

Hmm no ? Look at ipad 3. It probably will display at native 1080p and then upscale x2.
Still if PS4 is released in 2014 then Sony will keep selling them to 2024 and by that time it might be new high end standard.

 

[nasos_333]

They're expecting the ps4 to push the 4k resolution? Well if it is true, I can expect it to be a mean machine displaying 1080p.

If we go by PS3 this is very debatable

Also to have 4K games they will need some super computer or sacrifices in scale and/or graphics of games next gen

I would prefer they focused on 1080p, i cant even fit a 80'' HDTV on my house, i would rather just sit closer to a 40-50'' one and play 1080p games in a native resolution panel

It is strange that Sony always tries to push tech that is not really needed for gaming at the specific era they are introduced, like Blu ray, cell, 4K etc

Sure in the future 4K may become standard, when computer power is enough to have any meaning and Blu ray is very important this generation, but there was no real reason to market them before their time and have us pay more for something barely needed

 

[-SD-]

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20120907/238674/

LG Electronics plans to launch a 4k2k (3,840 x 2,160-pixel) OLED TV with a size of 60 inches or larger in 2013

 

[zomgbbqftw]

You basicly want OLED HDTV. You can buy only 55" models, and those are ~$8000 now.

Really? Where? There are no OLED TVs on sale right now and Samsung's OLED TV did a disappearing act at IFA and they were pretty quiet about it when asked by journalists and bloggers. It looks like it will be delayed until 2013. On the LG side, Samsung have asked for a preliminary production injunction on LG for OLED technology as it was obtained via industrial espionage. The ES9000 that is on sale in the US is a regular old LED backlit set, even though they are charging $10k for it.

It seems unlikely now that OLED will make it for 2012, the year's best 1080p TV is the Sony HX950 now that they have fixed the uniformity and viewing angles and that is available now for ~$5k in 65".

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20120907/238674/



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Don't count on it. Samsung are pretty close to obtaining an injunction, if they do so LG will have to hand back any stolen technology and they will be starting from zero and this time they will need to invest their own time and money instead of just stealing the tech from Samsung.

 

[DXPett1]

Lol, I don't see PS4 pushing a lot of 4k TV's at that price.

By the time the PS4 actually comes out the 4K should hopefully come down to a more reasonable (but still expensive) price.

LG have already sold out of their 4K TV preorders :|

It is strange that Sony always tries to push tech that is not really needed for gaming at the specific era they are introduced, like Blu ray, cell, 4K etc

We wouldn't have gone very far if we only pushed for things we need... we didn't need touchscreen phones but look at us now It's not about pushing for what we need, it's about pushing the limits, the boundaries of what we can achieve

 

[Canis lupus]

New tech is always expensive. People forget the 10k plasmas at the start of the millenium?

While I cant afford this tv even if it was 10k, I'm holding out for a nice +-60" OLED displays that will flood the market in the years to come.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

By the time the PS4 actually comes out the 4K should hopefully come down to a more reasonable (but still expensive) price.

LG have already sold out of their 4K TV preorders :|

A little birdie at Sony told me the same thing. They have completely sold their initial allocation (no size mentioned, but ~ 1,000 units is my guess), they have left it up for pre-order so they can gauge how large to make the next shipment. These are going to be very popular in celebrity circles and for rich people in general. The price tag makes it exclusive, that they can afford one and the peons can't.

 

[mr_toa]

And people here think 4K in next-gen consoles is going to be important in a few years... ha.

That's like so ... spot on :-D

 

[-SD-]

New tech is always expensive. People forget the 10k plasmas at the start of the millenium?

Yeah. What did the first CD-ROM's for PC's cost at launch? I remember the price being really high.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Yeah. What did the first CD-ROM's for PC's cost at launch? I remember the price being really high.

Really expensive. I remember my uncle buying the first ever DVD player, that was about £900, they can be had now for £20 in Asda and they will do more like play Xvid and MP4 and upscale content to 1080p (albeit poorly).

 

[2MF]

This is bullish for the housing market. As TV resolution increases, people will be forced to buy bigger and bigger houses where they can fit their huge displays required to take advantage of better resolutions.

It's also good for the space business, because pretty soon we'll run on of space on Earth for our TVs, and be forced to expand to other planets. Eventually it will be one planet per TV, and after some time exponential growth ensures that one universe per TV will not be enough.

 

[canvee]

Don't count on it. Samsung are pretty close to obtaining an injunction, if they do so LG will have to hand back any stolen technology and they will be starting from zero and this time they will need to invest their own time and money instead of just stealing the tech from Samsung.

What's the background on this? Did LG get caught stealing/copying something from Samsung or something?

 

[zomgbbqftw]

What's the background on this? Did LG get caught stealing/copying something from Samsung or something?

Allegedly LG (via a couple of subsidiaries for plausible deniability) paid a high ranking Samsung employee to pass them sensitive information and data on OLED and LED for a couple of years. Many have found it surprising how quickly LG have advanced in OLED and LED tech given that they had been so poor for so long and how little they had been investing in R&D. This goes a long way to explaining it.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Eh, fuck this. I JUST got a new TV. I don't need ANOTHER TV already.

This seems kind of pointless. When TVs get to be about as thin as a credit card, as light as a thick poster, and are affordable, THEN I'll upgrade again. I mean, I'm all for technology moving forward but I feel like this is being pushed down our throats.

 

[Averon]

Not surprised. I imagine LG's quite jealous of Samsung's meteoric rise, while they play second fiddle in Samsung's quite massive shadow.

Eh, fuck this. I JUST got a new TV. I don't need ANOTHER TV already.

This seems kind of pointless. When TVs get to be about as thin as a credit card, as light as a thick poster, and are affordable, THEN I'll upgrade again. I mean, I'm all for technology moving forward but I feel like this is being pushed down our throats.

These TVs aren't meant for you, unless you're rich enough that you can blow $25,000 on a TV.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Eh, fuck this. I JUST got a new TV. I don't need ANOTHER TV already.

This seems kind of pointless. When TVs get to be about as thin as a credit card, as light as a thick poster, and are affordable, THEN I'll upgrade again. I mean, I'm all for technology moving forward but I feel like this is being pushed down our throats.

At $25k this is hardly being pushed down your throat. You are free to not buy it.

 

[DieH@rd]

after quick google search:

486 @ 66mhz
16mb RAM
340MB HDD
1MB video card
17" monitor
$3K in 1993


Pentium I 166mhz [with MMX!]
32mb RAM
3.2GB HDD
32x CDrom [high-end at that time]
15" monotor
£1400 in 1997


P3 733Mhz
128MB ram
56K modem
Win TV card
20GB hard drive
2.1 speakers
19 inch monitor
£1550 from PC world in 2001

 

[dino1980]

When there are 80-90" OLED 4K screens for about 2000-3000 dollars then I will get a new tv. But that seems to be far in the future :/

 

[zomgbbqftw]

When there are 80-90" OLED 4K screens for about 2000-3000 dollars then I will get a new tv. But that seems to be far in the future :/

Never? With the way commodity prices are going and the way that inflation is headed a $3000 80" OLED TV is not going happen. 50" for sure, maybe even 60", but one only needs to look at Sharp to see what commodity pricing of large screens does to a company.

 

[LittleJohnny]

it's 84' so not really.

Still depends on the distance your sitting and your visual acuity.

For 20/20 vision, you have to sit less than 10ft away from that 84" screen to even start noticing the difference, and God forbid you're anything less than 20/20 lol.

If you're going to sit 12 or more feet away from your 84" TV, 1080p is more than enough, however for 4k you're going to need 100"+ inches to get the full benefit which is why these resolutions are used in movie theaters for screens measured by the foot lol.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I already posted something similar in this thread, but to achieve a 36 degree viewing angle as recommended by THX for an 84 inch device, your optimal distance would be 9.4 feet. When I look at the picture you have posted, benefits of 4K will start to become visible at this screen size and distance.

I don't know about you, but if I buy such an expensive TV, I make sure that the distance between me and my TV is perfect.

 

[commish]

I think I'm going to buy one. Just need to make room for it.

 

[Haunted]

New tech is always expensive. People forget the 10k plasmas at the start of the millenium?

Well, obviously. It's the timeline along with next generation consoles that's causing people to react overly negatively, I think.

This is something for next-next generation hardware, if at all.

Is there a version of that chart with the metric system?

 

[Sky Chief]

The first commercially available 1080p TV that I can remember is the Sony Qualia 006. It was a 70" rear projection SXRD and cost $13,000 and came out in July 2005, about a year and a half before the PS3:

http://www.hometheater.com/content/sony-qualia-006-sxrd-rptv

If I remember properly, it could not even accept a 1080p source but had a native 1080p resolution.

I bought a similar model (high end Sony SXRD 1080p but also 120hz and able to accept 1080p) but 60" in size in early 2008 for $1500.

I'm just going to quote this again for a new page. My guess is that in 2015 (if not sooner) you will be able to buy a 65-70" 4K TV for about $2000 and a 4K projector for about $1500.

 

[synchronicity]

TV manufacturers really need to stop this shit. TVs are too expensive to have fast refresh rates, there is a reason people buy one every ten fucking years. Same reason people don't refresh their cars every couple of years.

It's not the fault of the manufacturers. They are only producing at a rapid pace because the consumers are eager for the latest and greatest. If we stop buying, the cycle stops.

 

[Limanima]

PS4 lauch price at $10000 confirmed.

 

[Seanspeed]

For an 84 inch screen, that sounds reasonable. Prices will come down quite a bit over the next 5 years. My concern would be - what media will be available at this sort of resolution? Seems to me that its gonna take quite a while before they're even worth buying anyway, not even considering the cost.

 

[2MF]

Is there a version of that chart with the metric system?

Even in Europe the screen sizes are measured in inches (I think it's one of the few things we use non-metric for). So it's not too hard to read the chart in metric, just mentally divide the numbers in the y axis by 3 to get meters for the viewing distance.

Spoiler

And then subtract 10% if you want a more accurate result. but dividing by 3 is pretty close

 

[EatinOlives]

This thread is a carnival of stupid. So many pointless driveby trolls feigning ignorance on new technology just to get a chance to shit on Sony.

Keep pretending like this is the first time this has ever happened, guys, I'm sure it makes the trolling justified in your eyes.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

PS4 lauch price at $10000 confirmed.

Why? The only thing that's needed to display 4K content like videos or games, is a high bandwidth hdmi signal processor, which costs maybe a few dollars. For 4K blu-rays they would probably need a BDXL drive, depending on what the 4K spec of the BDA will be, and these are not expensive either. You can get a fast BDXL writer for less than $100 right now. And what resolution a game will use is not a question of power, but more a question of design. It is entirely possible to make all PS4 games in 4K, but this would obviously mean that effects, details etc. take a hit. It all depends on what devs want to do.

 

[CadetMahoney]

PS4 lauch price at $10000 confirmed.

I would expect no less than Sony to implement extra hardware at least for movies. . . anything that will increase the price of the console with things they think will be selling points.

If they were smart they would make it an add-on, like MS did with the hd-dvd add on.

 

[Zombie James]

I would expect no less than Sony to implement extra hardware at least for movies. . . anything that will increase the price of the console with things they think will be selling points.

If they were smart they would make it an add-on, like MS did with the hd-dvd add on.

What extra hardware? BDXL should be enough for 4K and consumer drives that support it have been out for a while and pretty affordable (fyi, the Blu-ray drive in the launch PS3 was estimated to cost $125). Unless you expect the PS4 to include a 5-year-old Blu-ray drive?

 

[Madn]

I was hoping for a 25k tv for 4,000$

 

[quetz67]

I think people that think 4k is going to get deep penetration by the middle of next console gen, and thus have an effect on that next hardware cycle are insane. Its definitely coming, but its not going to be that fast.

Middle of next gen might be 2017, enough time for these to drop to acceptable prices.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I asked on the last page, but is anyone actually working on transmission/digital delivery of 4K content yet?

Pointless until that happens, IMO, with the way that consumers are increasingly moving away from physical media.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Still depends on the distance your sitting and your visual acuity.

For 20/20 vision, you have to sit less than 10ft away from that 84" screen to even start noticing the difference, and God forbid you're anything less than 20/20 lol.

If you're going to sit 12 or more feet away from your 84" TV, 1080p is more than enough, however for 4k you're going to need 100"+ inches to get the full benefit which is why these resolutions are used in movie theaters for screens measured by the foot lol.

STOP POSTING THIS CHART.

IT'S NEITHER ACCURATE NOR TRUE.

 

[davepoobond]

plasmas and LCD panels used to be that much like 10 years ago.

4k tvs will be 1k or less before we know it.

 

[FLEABttn]

What would be an accurate and true chart?

 

[LittleJohnny]

STOP POSTING THIS CHART.

IT'S NEITHER ACCURATE NOR TRUE.

Care to elaborate? There is a limit to amount of detail a person with 20/20 vision can see from a distance. Once at a certain distance, it won't matter if there's 250ppi or 350ppi, the chart is based on 20/20 visual acuity and seems pretty accurate when comparing to other calculators.

 

[Mung]

Eh, fuck this. I JUST got a new TV. I don't need ANOTHER TV already.

This seems kind of pointless. When TVs get to be about as thin as a credit card, as light as a thick poster, and are affordable, THEN I'll upgrade again. I mean, I'm all for technology moving forward but I feel like this is being pushed down our throats.

No one is forcing you to buy it. Games consoles will continue to support your tv.

Carry on.

 

[Zombie James]

I asked on the last page, but is anyone actually working on transmission/digital delivery of 4K content yet?

Pointless until that happens, IMO, with the way that consumers are increasingly moving away from physical media.

http://atsc.org/newsletter/2012/08/atsc-partipating-in-new-cea-4k-working-group/

 

[Brimstone]

Allegedly LG (via a couple of subsidiaries for plausible deniability) paid a high ranking Samsung employee to pass them sensitive information and data on OLED and LED for a couple of years. Many have found it surprising how quickly LG have advanced in OLED and LED tech given that they had been so poor for so long and how little they had been investing in R&D. This goes a long way to explaining it.

Say what?

For several years LG worked with Kodak on OLED.

Kodak discovered OLED tech.

LG then bought all the patents from Kodak.