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Meet Dr. Dre, Eminem And 50 Cent's New Protege: Slim Da Mobster
South Central rookie will be featured on Dre's Detox, alongside Lil Wayne and T.I., in Mixtape Daily.

By Jayson Rodriguez, with additional reporting by Shaheem Reid and Rahman Dukes

Fire Starter: Slim Da Mobster

We all know Dr. Dre has an ear for beats, but the West Coast superproducer also has a keen sense of recognizing upcoming lyrical talent.

Dre's The Chronic launched Snoop Dogg's career, and his second solo album, 2001, helped solidify Eminem as a serious talent to pay attention to in the game. With his third opus on the way, the good doctor has tapped South Central rookie Slim Da Mobster to contribute to Detox, alongside heavyweights like Lil Wayne and T.I.

"I'm not even focused on my album right now," Slim told us in Los Angeles. "I'm all about his album. 'Cause the better I do on that, the better it is for the situation with my album."

Da Mobster might be new on the scene, but the Los Angeles rhyme-spitter impressed Eminem so much that he pushed to have him ink a deal.

After getting the co-signs from the big homies Dre and Em, 50 Cent was the next to jump onboard behind the young rapper. Now, Slim Da Mobster has his music featured on the G-Unit boss' Web site, ThisIs50.com.

To add to the repertoire, Slim is managed by industry veteran John Monopoly, who helped usher Kanye West from producer to breakthrough artist.
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1616756/20090722/dr_dre.jhtml
 
not into the soft rap, not to say that it's bad but I prefer 50 Cent to Kanye's cornier offspring any day. IMO

Drake hype is so huge people can't see he just a lamer/uglier version of LL Cool J :lol
 
Hellraizah said:
I find it funny that this thread about the "future of hip-hop" is now about 50 Cent, Eminem and Jay-Z.
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if you ask me all 3 are at the end of their run, Jay-Z's Singles Suck, Eminem is just selling on name alone, his album was mediocre and the buzz died after it came out.

50 Cent has to find another hit like "I Get Money" in 07 or he'll end up like nelly, musically at least . Dude never as to rap again after that vitamin water deal.

"Before I Self Destruct" comes out September 29th so 50 has like 2 months to build buzz. Jay-Z will sell even if he sucks, his status was elevated ever since he started dating beyonce. :lol
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
if you ask me all 3 are at the end of their run, Jay-Z's Singles Suck, Eminem is just selling on name alone, his album was mediocre and the buzz died after it came out.

50 Cent has to find another hit like "I Get Money" in 07 or he'll end up like nelly, musically at least . Dude never as to rap again after that vitamin water deal.

"Before I Self Destruct" comes out September 29th so 50 has like 2 months to build buzz. Jay-Z will sell even if he sucks, his status was elevated ever since he started dating beyonce. :lol
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50 already trying to build buzz by challenging Jay-Z to a sales battle. pretty ridiculous seeing as how he got beat down by kanye and then delayed his album when it was supposed to be a rematch. fail
 
he's not Jay-Z is coming out on the 11th, 50 is coming out on the 29th no competition, plus 50 beat kanye worldwide so it's moot.

if there's anything 50 has to worry about it's lil wayne pushing his already done "rebirth" album back, thats a little shady since wanye claims it's coming out in "fall".......

50 vs Wanye? at this point even though i hate lil wanye i think he'd win a sales showdown at this point.
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
he's not Jay-Z is coming out on the 11th, 50 is coming out on the 29th no competition, plus 50 beat kanye worldwide so it's moot.

if there's anything 50 has to worry about it's lil wayne pushing his already done "rebirth" album back, thats a little shady since wanye claims it's coming out in "fall".......

50 vs Wanye? at this point even though i hate lil wanye i think he'd win a sales showdown at this point.
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"At this point"? Don't remember the last time GAF had a 50 stan. Might have been that dude who lost a ban bet with me concerning Kanye's album selling more than 50's.:lol

50 Cent is irrelevant. Every single he has released has bombed. No one cares about his generic music anymore. I don't like Lil Wayne either - but clearly he's the "biggest" mainstream rapper in the country.
 
50 fell off anyway, he's terrible. Only two things he put out worth a shit were Power Of The Dollar and Get Rich Or Die Tryin'.
 
Bowser said:
50 fell off anyway, he's terrible. Only two things he put out worth a shit were Power Of The Dollar and Get Rich Or Die Tryin'.
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Please compared to what's out there now, he a godsend (exaggerating i know :lol) but still people act like he wasn't involved in

The Massacre (Good Album - Just never lived up to the hype of the sequel to the awesome GRODT)
Beg For Mercy (Decent - Not great but good singles)
The Documentary ( Great - he practically wrote The Game's entire album)

Plus Countless Mixtapes
Like the G-unit Radio Series, and Now the Thisis50.com Mixtapes

Your just parroting what you hear other people say..think for yourself
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
he's not Jay-Z is coming out on the 11th, 50 is coming out on the 29th no competition, plus 50 beat kanye worldwide so it's moot.

if there's anything 50 has to worry about it's lil wayne pushing his already done "rebirth" album back, thats a little shady since wanye claims it's coming out in "fall".......

50 vs Wanye? at this point even though i hate lil wanye i think he'd win a sales showdown at this point.
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its not moot, because that wasnt the challenge. out of curiousity, where did you read he outsold him worldwide? i do agree wayne will outsell. 50 though.
 
PhoenixDark said:
:lol
He didn't write Game's album, he wrote the hooks on a few of the singles.
Insightful, coming from a G-Unit stan
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he wrote the hooks on the most successful tracks of games career, and just because i'm not a hater doesn't mean i'm a stan.

as for 50 vs Kanye sales heres an article for european sales http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3ib18970fda245dc9dcdc711447a074c86

Kanye only outsold him in "English" countries since he's not as big of a name
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
he wrote the hooks on the most successful tracks of games career, and just because i'm not a hater doesn't mean i'm a stan.

as for 50 vs Kanye sales heres an article for european sales http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3ib18970fda245dc9dcdc711447a074c86

Kanye only outsold him in "English" countries since he's not as big of a name
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:lol :lol :lol

you said he beat him "worldwide". worldwide does not mean Europe. Kanye demolished 50 in the US, more than enough to make him the leader in total sales not only for the week, but to date.
 
Ashhong said:
:lol :lol :lol

you said he beat him "worldwide". worldwide does not mean Europe. Kanye demolished 50 in the US, more than enough to make him the leader in total sales not only for the week, but to date.
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Like albums stop selling after a week right? *rolls eyes*

Kanye sold almost 1 million first week, 50 cent 700K the both had big drop offs, 50 was in breathing distance worldwide.

50 sells in even the shitty little shanty towns in india where they don't even know who kanye is.

Attesting to his worldwide popularity, Get Rich Or Die Tryin' hit #2 in the U.K. and #1 in Australia while The Massacre went #1 in both those countries, #2 in Sweden, and is the biggest-selling rap album in India, where it has been certified double platinum, selling more than 2,000,000 copies.
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QUCPUC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
 
PhoenixDark said:
"At this point"? Don't remember the last time GAF had a 50 stan. Might have been that dude who lost a ban bet with me concerning Kanye's album selling more than 50's.:lol
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I think that was Nintendosbooger. Regardless, it always surprises me to see 50 still having fans these days considering only having one "average" album and a bunch of duds.
 
Kreed said:
I think that was Nintendosbooger. Regardless, it always surprises me to see 50 still having fans these days considering only having one "average" album and a bunch of duds.
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i'm a stan now? smh

every single Jay-Z released has bombed, people still love that old washed up dude


go ahead name one Jay-Z single that has been in the Billboard Top 10 since 2003, i'll wait......

besides "show me what you got", which was extra wack but a hit

http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100#/artist/jay-z/chart-history/167256

it's only opinion's stop being so sensitive lol
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
i'm a stan now? smh

every single Jay-Z released has bombed, people still love that old washed up dude


go ahead name one Jay-Z single that has been in the Billboard Top 10 since 2003, i'll wait......

besides "show me what you got", which was extra wack but a hit

http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100#/artist/jay-z/chart-history/167256

it's only opinion's stop being so sensitive lol
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Jay's worst shits on 50s best
 
pistolpete2940 said:
Jay's worst shits on 50s best
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how much did K.A.R sell? yeah that right 250 copies (YES 250 not 2500)fat joe fan lmao.:lol

as far as jay's best tell that to the number 1 song of 2003 "In The Club", not saying i like it but just pointing out how your full of shit :lol .
 
Tokubetsu said:
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Jay-Z - Run This Town (feat. Kanye West & Rihanna)

First official single off BP3. A LOT better than D.O.A.
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Shits amazing, 'Ye killed it.
 
WTF are you talking about? That was random as fuck, who said anything about Fat Joe?

You keep bringing up sales like that's supposed to prove anything. Bottom line is 50s not better than Jay or Kanye. If you ask me, he's not even better than Lloyd Banks.
 
pistolpete2940 said:
WTF are you talking about? That was random as fuck, who said anything about Fat Joe?

You keep bringing up sales like that's supposed to prove anything. Bottom line is 50s not better than Jay or Kanye. If you ask me, he's not even better than Lloyd Banks.
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The Fat Joe thing was brought up because your name is pistol pete and PP is in K.A.R, I assumed you were a fan.

I like banks better to, but i like 50 better than both kanye and jay, kanye should stick to making beat can't stand his accent, thats just me though.

Sales mean everything because what other solid metrics do we have to compare? exactly. skill is subjective and everyone has a different opinion, so sales are the best way to determine the general public feel for the artist. No one can technically be "better" what ever the hell that means.
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
The Fat Joe thing was brought up because your name is pistol pete and PP is in K.A.R, I assumed you were a fan.

I like banks better to, but i like 50 better than both kanye and jay, kanye should stic to making beat can't stand his accent, thats just me though.

Sales mean every because what other solid metrics do we have to compare? exactly. skill is subjective and everyone has a different opinion, so sales are the best way to determine the general public feel for the artist. No one can technically be "better" what ever the hell that means.
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OK, true, everyone has their opinion. But sales still mean nothing to me. Going by that logic, you could argue that Soulja Boy is a good rapper, and we all know that's absurd (I hope).

P.S. I didn't even know what K.A.R. was
 
pistolpete2940 said:
OK, true, everyone has their opinion. But sales still mean nothing to me. Going by that logic, you could argue that Soulja Boy is a good rapper, and we all know that's absurd (I hope).

P.S. I didn't even know what K.A.R. was
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soulja boy is garbage to me, but honestly teens love him for whatever reason, whether he has talent or not does matter right now (to the general public) but once his star starts to fade you will hear more criticism than you hear even now.

to the guy above i meant the singles for Blueprint 3, we'll see how this new one does, but honestly it sounds like a dud imo.
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
Like albums stop selling after a week right? *rolls eyes*

Kanye sold almost 1 million first week, 50 cent 700K the both had big drop offs, 50 was in breathing distance worldwide.

50 sells in even the shitty little shanty towns in india where they don't even know who kanye is.



http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QUCPUC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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you have some serious reading comprehension issues. the point is:

1. you said 50 outsold him "worldwide" which is not true, and provided proof by linking to sales in only Europe.

2. i never said albums stop selling? i said there was a big gap in the first week, and that kanye went on to stay ahead of him to this day.

3. we are talking about Curtis...so i dont even know why you mentioned GRODT.

go look up some real numbers and come back with those.

ThePrivateCookie said:
soulja boy is garbage to me, but honestly teens love him for whatever reason, whether he has talent or not does matter right now (to the general public) but once his star starts to fade you will hear more criticism than you hear even now.

to the guy above i meant the singles for Blueprint 3, we'll see how this new one does, but honestly it sounds like a dud imo.
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you are completely skipping over the point of every post you reply to. nobody cares if teens love him. how does that determine talent? the point there was that by your standards, soulja boy is one of the top rappers because his sales are so high. that is absurd, and its not enough to argue that by saying "oh, well i dont like him but the teens do!".

and how many singles has jay even put out for BP3? ive only heard DOA and Run This Town. i would bet good money that RTT will make the top 10. that is going to be a hit on the radio. i think it premiered today on the radios, and they played that over and over.
 
Ashhong said:
you have some serious reading comprehension issues. the point is:

1. you said 50 outsold him "worldwide" which is not true, and provided proof by linking to sales in only Europe.

2. i never said albums stop selling? i said there was a big gap in the first week, and that kanye went on to stay ahead of him to this day.

3. we are talking about Curtis...so i dont even know why you mentioned GRODT.

go look up some real numbers and come back with those.



you are completely skipping over the point of every post you reply to. nobody cares if teens love him. how does that determine talent? the point there was that by your standards, soulja boy is one of the top rappers because his sales are so high. that is absurd, and its not enough to argue that by saying "oh, well i dont like him but the teens do!".

and how many singles has jay even put out for BP3? ive only heard DOA and Run This Town. i would bet good money that RTT will make the top 10. that is going to be a hit on the radio. i think it premiered today on the radios, and they played that over and over.
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he's dropped swagger like us (but it's not going to be on BP3), Jockin Jay-Z, and those other two. RTT will probably make the top 20, but it doesn't have that "IT" sound to take it to top 10. all of which have failed to go into the top 10. (we'll see about RTT)

check the sound scan soulja boy flopped hard this year lol but people love him still. talent is subjective like i said, can you do what soulja boy does? can you get as many people to watch what you do? alright then.
 
Bowser said:
:lol They're decent, but FARRRRRRR from the two best mixtapes to come out this year. Those honors are bestowed upon Drake's So Far Gone and J. Cole's The Warm Up.
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So Far Gone is so damn boring. Kool-Aid, Kush and Convertibles is better than that.

peterb0y said:
Any like/listen to Gucci? I actually don't really like him that much, but he seems to have a pretty big following. People are always waiting for his tapes to drop.
guccimanethemovie2.jpg
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I like him. I thought he killed it on the Obsessed remix, and he has that endearing idiot quality that Young Jeezy has. That said, he hasn't released any mixtapes that have been that good, and Murder Was the Case was pretty average, too.
 
Bringing up worldwide sells concerning hip hop is like bragging about who won the Canadian Football League championship. We're talking about the US market, where 50 Cent is irrelevant.

Just listened to the Jay-Z single. Horrible. The "hook" sucks, god I'm tired of Rhianna. Beat is meh, and Jay's rhymes are uninspired as usual
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
he's dropped swagger like us (but it's not going to be on BP3), Jockin Jay-Z, and those other two. RTT will probably make the top 20, but it doesn't have that "IT" sound to take it to top 10. all of which have failed to go into the top 10. (we'll see about RTT)

check the sound scan soulja boy flopped hard this year lol but people love him still. talent is subjective like i said, can you do what soulja boy does? can you get as many people to watch what you do? alright then.
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swagger like us was mainly a TI single imo. nobody i know thought that as a jay single. if you want to count that though, it hit number 5 on the billboard top 100...so yea.

i was just guessing on soulja boy since u guys were talking about him before. the point stands that you seem to think sales is a good measure to how good of a rapper someone is.

PhoenixDark said:
Bringing up worldwide sells concerning hip hop is like bragging about who won the Canadian Football League championship. We're talking about the US market, where 50 Cent is irrelevant.

Just listened to the Jay-Z single. Horrible. The "hook" sucks, god I'm tired of Rhianna. Beat is meh, and Jay's rhymes are uninspired as usual
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indeed, i dont know why he brought up worldwide sales. i wouldnt say 50 is irrelevant though, just nowhere near where he was before.

i disagree with the single though. as someone who was never a fan of jay, i at least like him here. his flow is pretty good, although hes outdone by kanye imo. also enjoy the hook, but i guess it could have been done a little better. LOVE the beat though.
 
Bowser said:
50 fell off anyway, he's terrible. Only two things he put out worth a shit were Power Of The Dollar and Get Rich Or Die Tryin'.
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Yeaaa...no. Brush up before trying to shoot someone down.
 
I heard Run This Town today. My thoughts:

1. Great hook. Overall it is a great song, Rihanna was a good choice to sing the hook and the beat is nasty. It is good musically.

2. Jay has...fallen quite a bit. The part in the beginning where he talks about have all black shit and rhymes "everything" with "everything" was sooo whack. The rest of the song makes no sense and it is clear he no longer has the drive to make anything lyrically "stimulating".

Yeah I said it we are,
you can call me Ceasar,
in a dark ceasar,
please follow the leader.

Really? So stupid. If you will talk about vapid stuff, please at least make it interesting.

3. Kanye can still make a bad song good. I was about to turn off the song when yeezy came on. Good rescue, went with the beat, and delievered some lyrically clever lines. Very happy he is on the song.

I can't wait until the remix comes out and someone cuts out Jays part but keeps Rihanna and Kanye. It has to be done and I know it will be. Probably be the Game or someone like that.

Speaking of The Game, I have been listening to I'm Wavy while working out so many times now that I think I'm beginning to fall into Game's camp. I love Jay for what he did, but if it ain't quality then just stop please. He built his rep on the best ish, don't sully that shit.
 
exarkun said:
I heard Run This Town today. My thoughts:



Yeah I said it we are,
you can call me Ceasar,
in a dark ceasar,
please follow the leader.
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Funny I liked that part nice little ode to to rakim.
 
Holy fuck, Royce Da 5'9 just permanently scarred me. This song has the craziest ending since Dance with the Devil by Immortal Technique(which I heard about 5 years ago for reference).

Royce Da 5'9 - Part of Me

If it's already been posted (I went through the thread and didn't see it) it deserves to be posted again.

This dude is incredible. :O
 
NAS needs to do something. out of all these top people rapping jay-z, 50, em, nas needs to come with something.

i do enjoy the midwest movement tho, kid cudi, big sean and the likes of that.
 
Kanye definitely > Jay on that track.

Kastrioti said:
Holy fuck, Royce Da 5'9 just permanently scarred me. This song has the craziest ending since Dance with the Devil by Immortal Technique(which I heard about 5 years ago for reference).

Royce Da 5'9 - Part of Me

If it's already been posted (I went through the thread and didn't see it) it deserves to be posted again.

This dude is incredible. :O
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You should hear the rest .. check out 'The Revival' or 'The Album' (if i remember the names correctly). I made a thread a while ago.
 
Slizz said:
NAS needs to do something. out of all these top people rapping jay-z, 50, em, nas needs to come with something.
i do enjoy the midwest movement tho, kid cudi, big sean and the likes of that.
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Nas and Damian Marley are making a album together.
Nas and Damian "Jr. Gong" Marley entered the studio early this year with a plan to do "an EP based on Africa," according to Marley. As previously reported, it's turned into a full length album, "Distant Relatives," which the duo has been previewing during their headlining run on this year's Rock The Bells tour though no release date or label has been determined yet.

"Once we started working on the music," Marley tells Billboard.com, "it was Nas who said to me, 'Yo, we should just make this a full album.' He really liked the energy, I guess."

Nas adds that "I just think it was me and Damian finding our way. When you have two different artists working on a record when they're used to doing their own thing their own way, it's not as easy as people may think. We just flowed, and the next thing we looked up and there were so many songs done or so many songs started and worked on...we just decided to keep it going. It's not reggae. It's not rap. It's different shit for each of us."

Nas and Marley -- who previously worked together on "Road to Zion" from the latter's gold-certified 2005 album "Welcome to Jamrock" -- are still putting the finishing touches on the album; Nas estimates it's about 90 percent done, Marley guesses a more conservative 75 percent, with songwriting contributions by Marley's brother Stephen and a guest feature by rapper K'Naan. They've already leaked part of one track, "As We Enter," and posted a trailer for the album online at myspace.com/distantrelatives. They plan to complete the set after their Rock The Bells commitment wraps in early August, but meanwhile they're treating audiences to "As We Enter" and other album tracks such as "Strong Will Continue" and "Africa Must Wake Up."

"I like to come out and tell the people live in person, 'Yo, the album is coming' and give them a little bit of music to start to get excited about it," says Marley, who was in the early stages of his own next album when "Distant Relatives" started. "I think it also will help with the finishing of the album because we're seeing how things work."

Nas, meanwhile, thinks the tour is helping to put the project in perspective for the duo and for the audience. "I know people are kind of like, 'What's happening? What's Nas doing? What's Damian doing? Is this really happening?' " Nas notes. "So just being out here on the road we get a good feel from people about this whole thing."
Nas and Marley say they're planning to tour more once the album is released.
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Listen to Road to Zion. If the songs are like that, they got a winner.
 
ThePrivateCookie said:
Sales mean everything because what other solid metrics do we have to compare? exactly. skill is subjective and everyone has a different opinion, so sales are the best way to determine the general public feel for the artist. No one can technically be "better" what ever the hell that means.
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No. Skills are not subjective. It's either you're skilled or you're not. And then there are varying degrees of skills that an artists has. These emcee skills are broken down into flow/delivery, lyrical content and originality. People may have different opinions on who they like but actual skill is not subjective and is easily measured.
 
The new Jay-Z track is kinda meh, I can't stand Rihanna either. Kanye needs to start working on his new album stat.
 
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