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The Game Awards is some dumb bullshit

Lol "musical acts nobody cares about".

Rae Sremmurd had the #1 song on the Billboard charts, might still be there, with Black Beatles. They make party music, award shows like this are meant to be parties.

Run The Jewels are very respected and highly popular and have songs in video games.
 
In terms of the ads they are the things that pay for the show. The music performances (which only the Mick Gordon with the Doom Soundtrack was the only good one in my opinion) are meant more for the people there and not really for the audience viewing at home since it is supposed to be more like a party than a show.
 
I'm over it. I saw some cool stuff and I browsed around on my ipad during the bs like I do with everything else. The bs pays the bills I guess.
 
dreamfall said:
No one is ever going to be happy with it. They've got to shill for Hydrobot and use other sponsor advertisements to promote it. But if you've been watching the VGA's and now The Game Awards for many years, this was the best year by far. There's a ton of work still to be done but you've got to give a lot of credit to Geoff and his team for creating this. It's still haunted by the Dew and Doritos backdrop, but you can tell he's really passionate about games and is excited to celebrate them.
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This should not be on the bottom of the page so I'm quoting it again because well said.
 
btrboyev said:
The music acts were bad but the only thing I thought was super corny and weird was Jeff getting emotional and choking up talking about Kojima. Thought that was really strange.
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I don't know why this bothers some people. Geoff is extremely passionate about this industry, and I thought it was a heartfelt tribute to one of the industry's best creators.
 
Sephzilla said:
If you're going to book musical acts for a show you should book acts that appeal to your target audience. If the GAF thread is any remote indication, then those big hip hop acts didn't really appeal to their target audience what so ever regardless of how "big" they were. Get some artists who can do good covers of some video game music, or do what Sony did at E3 and get a fucking orchestra to do some cool covers. Mick Gordon was the only artist there who felt appropriate for the event.
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Can we stop with the generalizations please? Gaf is not indicative of what the general population likes regarding music. I love hip-hop, and nearly all of my friends are gamers who love hip-hop as well. I'm a history teacher also, does that mean I shouldn't like hip-hop because of some stereo typical/generalized perception of what a teacher likes?

Hip-hop remains one of the most commercially relevant forms of music in the industry (although I yearn for the era of Outkast, Gangstarr, Wu-Tang, and Bone Thugs...), and it continues to be the soundtrack to big games such as GTA, Watchdogs, NBA 2K, Madden, and many more. The amount of hate/ general disdain for the hip-hop acts from last night's thread is truly a small sampling size of the entire gaming community.

Edit: I do agree with your idea regarding orchestral scores being a part of the show. I love big musical productions, Video Games Live is an awesome example of that.
 
IDK I haven't seen this years show yet, but Geoff seems chill AF. I don't get why people are giving him flack for having ads and sponsors, it's like how do you think this shit gets paid for?
 
aesupreme1 said:
Can we stop with the generalizations please? Gaf is not indicative of what the general population likes regarding music. I love hip-hop, and nearly all of my friends are gamers who love hip-hop as well. I'm a history teacher also, does that mean I shouldn't like hip-hop because of some stereo typical/generalized perception of what a teacher likes?

Hip-hop remains one of the most commercially relevant forms of music in the industry (although I yearn for the era of Outkast, Gangstarr, Wu-Tang, and Bone Thugs...), and it continues to be the soundtrack to big games such as GTA, Watchdogs, NBA 2K, Madden, and many more. The amount of hate/ general disdain for the hip-hop acts from last night's thread is truly a small sampling size of the entire gaming community.
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Well said. Very well said :)
 
there was some cringe, and the audio mixing wasn't great, but the show has been going in a good direction since leaving spike, and giving Geoff more control. you have to keep in mind that this whole thing is paid for by the game publishers and advertisers. it's also hard to try and be classy when you're going to show trailers for games that are being absurd. it's very similar to the VMAs imo.

so if you want something more like the oscars then you're not going to get a large audience or a lot of advertisers until the industry changes that. keep in mind theres been plenty of cringe during the oscars.
 
GlamFM said:
In every direction.

Too many reveals, not enough reveals, the wrong reveals.

It comes down to weird expectations and a generally wrong idea about what an award show is or how it is supposed to be.

Or the general idea that such a show can´t have sponsors?

Can´t wait for Ellen to welcome us to the Kodak Theater and take a selfie on her Samsung phone.

This was a typical award show, but a really good one.
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There's nothing typical about an award show that is sponsored by the companies receiving the awards. The difference between this and the Oscars is that the Oscars are presented by a governing body dedicated to representing and promoting the artistic medium in question (how well you think the respective Academies do that is irrelevant here). If all the media in the world magically decided to not cover the Oscars, the Oscars would still happen. The point is not the broadcast or the media circus, the point is to recognize achievement in the field by peers in said field. That's the difference, and that's what the DICE Awards are. But nobody gives a shit because there's not really much glamour to the game industry when you get right down to it.

And even with how bad some of the Oscar telecasts have been, with Ellen ordering pizza and the overlong musical numbers and such, at least the bits with the pizza involved industry people the audience wanted to see, and the musical numbers are actually the nominated songs relevant to the award ceremony. And, of course, most importantly, the awards are the focus, not trailers for movies one or two years out.

The Oscars aren't perfect, hell, they're not even all that good, but there's no comparison to be drawn between an Academy of artists recognizing their peers' achievements of the previous year and a three hour commercial that spends more time promoting Schick and games we won't play for years at the expense of showing us 50% of the actual awards. And it's not like you can say gaming won't have a respectable awards show until a body like the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences exists and does a regular awards show for games because that body does exist and it does do that awards show. We just, for whatever reason, don't give a shit.
 
I was pretty disappointed. Still don't know how some of these things go by without anyone in the production team realizing how poorly they'll be received.

The hydrobot was cringy. I get it, you gotta get $$$ to get the show going but anyone who had any creative control over that sponsorship could have easily done something less awkward.

Again this broadcast reminded me why I close Twitch channel 90% of the time I'm on there. The people hating on Run The Jewels/DJ Shadow's performance was embarrassing. they're amazing artists and huge gamers performing at an event they're excited about, show some fucking respect.
 
Nya said:
Doesn't change the fact that its a DLC, no matter how good you may think it is.



So you haven't played XV, good to know.
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So DLC can never be as worthy an experience as a standalone release? I don't get how you're trying to put it down. Blood & Wine was the best RPG experience released this year.
 
It's been garbage for years now. I used to get very excited to watch every year but the last couple I didn't even know they were on. I just come here and get the news afterwards. A shame really.
 
I think you're all being way too harsh on it.

First, let's remember that Keighley is a genuinely passionate part of the industry and this is proven by the show improving year on year, whether you like that fact or not. Go back and watch the VGAs if you don't agree.

This year it was focused 99% on gamers, and where it couldn't be (the razor stuff) they still tried to tie games into it somehow (the Street Fighter bit). I don't see an issue with promotion of sales, I mean really, how the fuck are you going to complain about cheaper games? It's a celebration of gaming and gamers for fucks sake. Better that than adverts that are completely irrelevant to the ceremony. The hosts were all relevant and dealt with what they were handed well, certainly an improvement on recent years.

There were certainly mistakes, sure. Too many awards meaning many were handed out as nothing more than a quick side comment. I'm sure Geoff is aware of this and next year will aim to improve as he does every year. The show was respectable and as classy as one man could get it. Pacing is certainly an issue, but something like That Dragon, Cancer is incredibly difficult to work around. You either cut to ads (queue complaining), cut to a skit/interview (queue complaining) or move on to another award (queue complaining). Geoff spoke about the award with teary eyes and moved on as best he could.

Lastly, just because you don't agree with what games won doesn't mean the whole thing is a joke, that's an incredibly narrow view to hold. See: every single awards show ever. Basically, cut the guy some fucking slack. This is an massively difficult show to put together and Geoff is very clearly taking it all in and working to improve every year. Give him and his team time.
 
I thought it was pretty good, and definitely better than last year. More time for awards and maybe a short montage for the winners of smaller categories and I would be happy.

Yall trippin with these Oscar expectations.
 
Yes lacking in professionalism and mutual respect. It can be hard to enforce that really though. Change from what came before is hard. And videogames grew very fast money wise very recently relative to other industries so big bucks talks loud in marketing atm and will for the foreseeable future
 
I honestly don't get what people had against the musical performances (though I missed the last one). There aren't a lot of video game soundtracks that would be interesting live in an award show setting and many of those that are aren't exactly easy to have a live performance of. I think Run the Jewels was a solid choice for their tie in with Gears and Mick Gordon was awesome. Here's hoping Hudson Mohawke can come perform something watch dogs related next year.

Sometimes I feel like people won't be happy until the performances is just a generic orchestra playing the theme to Skyrim and then somebody playing To Zanarkand on a piano.
 
Lol this is all award shows not just gaming. They are a show that celebrates the artist, but also a show that needs ratings, sponsors and more. This was the least cringe worthy game awards show so far...did everyone forget the year we had Joel from the soup host...oh man.
 
MattGalvatron said:
Lol this is all award shows not just gaming. They are a show that celebrates the artist, but also a show that needs ratings, sponsors and more. This was the least cringe worthy game awards show so far...did everyone forget the year we had Joel from the soup host...oh man.
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I don't know man...if a Hydrobot showed up at the Oscars I think there would be a huge uproar.
 
The only thing trash this year was the razor blade bot. Show used to be filled with endless amounts of WTF am I watching moments like that but this year they only had one.

Also Keighley's speech to Kojima was equivalent to a rough but well intentioned handy but other than that it was fine.
 
Kind of hilarious that people are dismissing RTJ as "not gaming related" when they had a promotional tie-in for Gears of War 4, had one of their songs in the trailers and are literally in the friggin' game as playable characters - at a show that's held in a Microsoft theater.

It's one thing to not like it but to claim it's not a relevant act to include is silly. As far as getting a "mainstream" and widely critically acclaimed act to perform at a place like this it's like the least worst pick you could go with.

Not that I think most people who watch this care about musicians who would perform game related music anyway. Last year they had Deadmau5 - someone who's actually an avid gamer - perform an original track spliced in between Super Mario World and Super Metroid remixes, and people were still pissed off.
 
Didn't watch, because even without knowing how it went, based on past events it sounds like an aggressive waste of time. And now based on what people are saying, sure sounds like I was right, except it's somehow getting worse. Corporate shilling wankfest with more ads than awards, hyyyyyype culture taken to the max (I'll bet people were shitting their pants at the Death Stranding "footage" despite no gameplay being shown, because gamers never learn), awards for major categories being given off-screen, a DLC nominated for best RPG, mobile and handheld being in the same category, "trending gamer" being an actual category (and the winner being a Gamergater.... again), the embarrassing Kojima fellating, stupid out of place music segments, the list goes on.

Can't image how anyone would think this event would be anything but worthless garbage, tbh.

OrbitalBeard said:
It was a horrible event, but it was pretty good representation of this industry, sadly.
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First post nails it.

Spyder_Monkey said:
Oh hey remember when Geoff Keighly said every reveal would be real-time gameplay to avoid unrealistic marketing hype and then proceeded not to do that.
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lol, did this really happen O_o What a joke. This guy living up to his Doritos Pope reputation, haha.
 
Cleve said:
So DLC can never be as worthy an experience as a standalone release? I don't get how you're trying to put it down. Blood & Wine was the best RPG experience released this year.
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Not when its a part of a game that came out last year. If they want to make DLCs a thing they could make a category for it, and it being good isn't an excuse to win a genre award lol
 
Nya said:
Not when its a part of a game that came out last year. If they want to make DLCs a thing they could make a category for it, and it being good isn't an excuse to win a genre award lol
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the genre is RPG. DLC is not a genre. DLC is just the delivery/release method.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
the genre is RPG. DLC is not a genre. DLC is just the delivery/release method.
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DLC is a category that should be separated from full games, this is why its an issue for me that it was featured in RPG genre and actually won.

There is nothing that anyone could say that could convince me otherwise, I do think its ridiculous beyond reason.
 
Nya said:
DLC is a category that should be separated from full games, this is why its an issue for me that it was featured in RPG genre and actually won.

There is nothing that anyone could say that could convince me otherwise, I do think its ridiculous beyond reason.
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When that DLC is better quality and as big as most of the RPGs on that list then yea it deserves to be nominated. The content of Blood and Wine is better written and more interesting than most of the content in FFXV, and I hate to say that since I wish FFXV could have been one of the greatest.
 
Aaron D. said:
If you walked away offended or disappointed, then it simply wasn't for you.
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Wow... with this well thought-out defense of the show, all criticism has been swatted aside.... I am in awe.

They just need to keep the show smaller because the bigger it gets, the more ad money they need. It felt like 75% of the show, at least, was sponsored content. It just wasn't entertaining at all. It was a bad, bad show.
 
Sephzilla said:
If you're going to book musical acts for a show you should book acts that appeal to your target audience. If the GAF thread is any remote indication, then those big hip hop acts didn't really appeal to their target audience what so ever regardless of how "big" they were. Get some artists who can do good covers of some video game music, or do what Sony did at E3 and get a fucking orchestra to do some cool covers. Mick Gordon was the only artist there who felt appropriate for the event.
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some gaffers' shitty taste in music shouldn't be a gauge of anything, ever
an orchestra, for this event? RTJ was better than it deserved
 
sappyday said:
When that DLC is better quality and as big as most of the RPGs on that list then yea it deserves to be nominated. The content of Blood and Wine is better written and more interesting than most of the content in FFXV, and I hate to say that since I wish FFXV could have been one of the greatest.
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Why bring XV when its not even nominated? I don't understand your logic, considering that DE and DS were nominated and I thought they were excellent and worthy of such award.
 
IMO the show would have been a million times better if it was basically just like the Giant Bomb late night E3 broadcasts. Low budget, sitting on a couch, live streamed. Announce the category, announce the winner, have them come in and sit on the couch. Pepper in a few commercials. Way less obnoxious than the crap that was churned out last night.
 
It's getting there but it still has a long, long way to go. Remember VGX 2013? I don't
want to remember
 
sappyday said:
When that DLC is better quality and as big as most of the RPGs on that list then yea it deserves to be nominated. The content of Blood and Wine is better written and more interesting than most of the content in FFXV, and I hate to say that since I wish FFXV could have been one of the greatest.
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Why do you even bring up FFXV, it wasn't even nominated? Dark Souls III and Deus Ex: MD were the other major nominees, both complete games and excellent ones and they lost to a friggin' DLC pack. It's indeed ridiculous, the DLC should not have been nominated at all (let alone winning) and should have been in a separate category.
 
I'm sure it's been said somewhere in this thread, so I'm sorry if I am hijacking someone's point, but this awards show is pretty much independently managed by Geoff -- it's not like it's the Oscars being broadcast on NBC. To put on a production of that scope, you need funding, and while SchickBot and some of the other things were intrusive, I would say the overall event was very successful. Things get better over time...this started from essentially the ground floor in 2014, so each year you recognize new efficiencies and areas in which to improve. It was nice to recognize this industry that has brought so much joy to certainly everyone visiting this forum, and who knows, in another ten years, the Game Awards might continue to grow and really be viewed as a can't miss event for fans of this media.
 
I dont really see what the big deal is, OP. Geoff pays for most of this stuff outta pocket and the show seems to get bigger with each passing year. These were the concessions that had to be made.
 
Nya said:
Why bring XV when its not even nominated? I don't understand your logic, considering that DE and DS were nominated and I thought they were excellent and worthy of such award.
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I saw FFXV brought up earlier but my statement still applies with both dark souls 3 and mankind divided. I don't see how a expansion/dlc should not qualify. Especially when it has as much content as the other nominees.
 
Every year these threads are made about TGA/VGX
Every year people bring up the fact that the show you claim you want already exist
Every year BAFTA and DICE continue to be ignored by these people

Could y'all please just stop pretending like you actually care about the awards/developers, because you don't. You watch the TGAs for the same reason everyone else does, the game announcements and new trailers, which are just another form of advertising btw.
 
dreamfall said:
No one is ever going to be happy with it. They've got to shill for Hydrobot and use other sponsor advertisements to promote it. But if you've been watching the VGA's and now The Game Awards for many years, this was the best year by far. There's a ton of work still to be done but you've got to give a lot of credit to Geoff and his team for creating this. It's still haunted by the Dew and Doritos backdrop, but you can tell he's really passionate about games and is excited to celebrate them.
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Going to agree with this. It still has a ways to go, especially with the structure, but it is slowly getting better.
 
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