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[Totobeni]

But he says the same about CoD too. He's expressed a lot of times how the CoD formula is tired and needs changing. You're just assuming they compare everything to CoD.

It's just funny he call these games dated when Black ops was Jeff's #5 ( and best FPS) game of 2010

oh well it's his opinion after all.

 

[Linkified]

It's in no way game design. The developer is responsible for putting game mechanics into the game, the player is responsible for exploiting them.

It'd be like someone using the stairs to climb get to the top of a sky scraper and claiming that getting to the top is "too tiring", when there's also an elevator that they could take. You wouldn't say "it's the fault of the architect", you'd say "why didn't you take the elevator?".

Nope I'd say it's the fault of the user, software and buildings don't have alot in common with each other though. If for instance you don't need to use the SMART system in Brink and the user can avoid that gameplay mechanic entirely. Then the origianal design doc/level design issues which doesn't put enough of a focus to actively remind users of said game mechanic are at fault though.

 

[Fjordson]

People get way too hung up on quick looks. Already saw someone in the Brink topic complaining about GB's "reviews" and how they need to "research games more".

GB needs to issue some sort of public service announcement stressing the difference between off the cuff random gameplay and an actual final word review.

 

[obonicus]

People get way too hung up on quick looks. Already saw someone in the Brink topic complaining about GB's "reviews" and how they need to "research games more".

GB needs to issue some sort of public service announcement stressing the difference between off the cuff random gameplay and an actual final word review.

And even then, in the best of cases a review is just an opinion. A lot of people complain about QLs because they don't match their own experiences. I'm not sure which is worse: people who haven't played the game but complain because the game didn't match their imagined expectations, or people who have and find any kind of disagreement distasteful. And this is Jeff; it's hardly a surprise that he's incredibly jaded and has a weird taste in games on top of that.

 

[Chuck]

Yeah, I don't really understand why they did a quick look of this before the game is out.
It'd be like doing a quick look of TF2 but only playing the offline training mode.

The big problem here is Splash Damage was pitching the game as an online/offline hybrid. A lot of people will be playing this only by themselves and never see online. The game mechanics wouldn't have changed if they waited until Thursday to do a QL, and that seems to be one of his biggest issues. At least give Jeff credit for being one of very few reviewers to elect to play it online with people after its release before fully reviewing it. Game Informer did the same.

 

[panda21]

brink looks like a less well made, more expensive, team fortress 2. kind of reminds me of the tacked on multiplayer modes every mediocre FPS game has now, except thats all there is.

 

[xxracerxx]

brink looks like a less well made, more expensive, team fortress 2. kind of reminds me of the tacked on multiplayer modes every mediocre FPS game has now, except thats all there is.

That is exactly how I see it as well.

 

[Keyser Soze]

WTF happened here? I guess I will avoid this thread for the next 5 pages.

I never knew people were so passionate about Brink. It never looked amazing.

 

[John Rabbit]

i don't think jeff did the best job at showing off the game (brink).

that said, i can tell its not what i wanted it to be but it looks interesting enough for me rent it maybe.

 

[randomlyrossy]

WTF happened here? I guess I will avoid this thread for the next 5 pages.

I never knew people were so passionate about Brink. It never looked amazing.

The Brink Quick Look has just sparked a reaction to an issue that many have with the GB guys. It's something that has come up before and I'm will continue to come up again.

I think the majority of us can agree we go to GB for the entertainment, not the game criticism. Not to say they don't occasionally have something interesting to say.

 

[Keyser Soze]

The Brink Quick Look has just sparked a reaction to an issue that many have with the GB guys. It's something that has come up before and I'm will continue to come up again.

I think the majority of us can agree we go to GB for the entertainment, not the game criticism. Not to say they don't occasionally have something interesting to say.

Scott Pilgrim was the last big blow up if I remember right.

It seems to me that when GB are the least bit unfair to decent but hardly spectacular games that the biggest blowups happen

 

[NinajHeartless]

Scott Pilgrim was the last big blow up if I remember right.

It seems to me that when GB are the least bit unfair to decent but hardly spectacular games that the biggest blowups happen

Oh fuck, don't even mention it.

This thread got crazy when that quick look hit *shudder*

 

[EmCeeGramr]

i do not have the same tastes as the giant bomb staff though i find them funny, and sometimes this makes quick looks odd or strange to me

OMG STOP BLOWING UP YOU CRAZY THREAD, WHY ARE YOU SO INSANE AND UNREASONABLE

 

[shadyspace]

Wait, people actually liked the Scott Pilgrim game?

 

[Data West]

Scott Pilgrim was the last big blow up if I remember right.

It seems to me that when GB are the least bit unfair to decent but hardly spectacular games that the biggest blowups happen

I think you're underestimating their pull. The people who post on that site act like little lemmings to everything the staff says. If they don't like a game, it can really hurt it.

 

[Curufinwe]

At least give Jeff credit for being one of very few reviewers to elect to play it online with people after its release before fully reviewing it. Game Informer did the same.

Gamespot always seem to do that for multiplayer games.

 

[AcridMeat]

I think the majority of us can agree we go to GB for the entertainment, not the game criticism. Not to say they don't occasionally have something interesting to say.

To add on to that, presumably we've been following these guys for years and years. On top of listening to the bombcast weekly, I already know how they're going to feel about a game by the time it comes out. The value in the site for me is the quality entertainment they provide.

 

[Criminal Upper]

Wow, Brink looks incredibly boring. Watching the QL, and I just about fell asleep.

 

[Bento]

I think you're underestimating their pull. The people who post on that site act like little lemmings to everything the staff says. If they don't like a game, it can really hurt it.

That really is a problem with the sites visitors and not with the GB guys though, wouldn't want them to tip toe around valid criticism due to potential decrease in sales for said game.

Wow, Brink looks incredibly boring. Watching the QL, and I just about fell asleep.

Yeah, I really hope that the inevitable FPS bombers we'll see throughout the year will scale back the amount released next year, that genre really needs a breather :I Brink just isn't doing anything really exciting, I'm disappointed that their hyped singleplayer-multiplayer hybrid didn't amount to more then this

 

[webrunner]

I also dislike watching Jeff play or hear him talk about FPSes. In Bulletstorm he walked around with an assault rifle shooting at guys. In Killzone 3 he walked around with an assault rifle shooting at guys. In Crysis 2 he walked around with an assault rifle shooting at guys. In Brink he's walking around with an assault rifle shooting at guys. He never tries different weapons, different classes, special modes, special abilities, nothing. When people ask him to do something different for christ's sake or play a different class, he refuses.

Looking into brink a bit, although it's kind of inexcusable for Bulletstorm, in brink, look at the weapons:

http://brink.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons

There's two grenade launchers. Everything else is various kinds of bullet-shootin' guns. In fact, in that, there are two shot guns and 4 pistols, everything else is an automatic weapon.

I think the "running around with an assault rifle shooting at guys" thing is kind of all that Brink does :/

The game is set far enough in the future for them to build a giant city off the coast of San Francisco and then have it break down into near-anarchy, and they don't even have a single rocket launcher or energy weapon or anything?

 

[HamPster PamPster]

Oh fuck, don't even mention it.

This thread got crazy when that quick look hit *shudder*

I must have missed it

::travels back in time::

Scott Pilgrim isn't really a "video game comic" It is a love story with a lot of references to games and things like that.

so its like vgcatz. gross

I love you lunchbox

 

[Patryn]

I think you're underestimating their pull. The people who post on that site act like little lemmings to everything the staff says. If they don't like a game, it can really hurt it.

So are you saying that GB should be tempering their criticism in order to protect a game's sales? Nobody can decide if the GB guys like a game except for the GB guys.

 

[Shalashaska]

Gamespot always seem to do that for multiplayer games.

You know I really do appreciate Gamespot's policies I just wish the whole Gerstmann thing didn't happen (although it gave us GB so) because that just flew in the face of how they normally tended to handle things (they don't go to the 'vacation' type events, they give reviews the time needed and under the circumstances of the reader). I hate having reviews come early from 99% of sites that have MP that the reviewer clearly hasn't played in the circumstances of the reader. Most of the times they are at developer events or with select media people.

 

[Fjordson]

I think you're underestimating their pull. The people who post on that site act like little lemmings to everything the staff says. If they don't like a game, it can really hurt it.

That's not really the fault of the staff, though.

I've even seen posters here on NeoGAF referring to that quick look as a review, which it most certainly is not. Seems like some people are simply missing the point of quick looks and take them way too seriously.

 

[Ceebs]

That quicklook was the first time I realized Brink was a first person shooter. I thought it was 3rd person ever since it was first shown.

 

[Xater]

That quicklook was the first time I realized Brink was a first person shooter. I thought it was 3rd person ever since it was first shown.

I don't know how that is even possible.

 

[Data West]

So are you saying that GB should be tempering their criticism in order to protect a game's sales? Nobody can decide if the GB guys like a game except for the GB guys.

Yeah. That's exactly what I said.

 

[darkressurection]

I must have missed it

::travels back in time::



I love you lunchbox

WHY I OUGHTA!

I will say that I am really liking Brink, but I won't fault Jeff's opinion. The bots are complete ass and from what I have heard the reviewers only has one 2 hour multiplay session before release. I do applaud Jeff and any other site where they are holding their review until after they get some hands-on time with the retail release.

 

[Ceebs]

I don't know how that is even possible.

I had not really bothered to look at any of the promo stuff other than a few trailers which turned out to be CG. All the screens I saw usually featured the unique looking characters pretty prominently so I just assumed it would be 3rd person to show those off during the game.

 

[LCfiner]

The last few pages pages just kinda reminded me...


Demon's Souls, amirite?

 

[Ceebs]

their Blood Bowl QL was the one that made me kinda rage.

 

[darkressurection]

The last few pages pages just kinda reminded me...


Demon's Souls, amirite?

So basically about a year from now Vinny will start playing Brink and kind of like it.

 

[Darklord]

That quicklook was the first time I realized Brink was a first person shooter. I thought it was 3rd person ever since it was first shown.

Not going to lie. So did I. In fact I had NO idea this was a team based shooter. I thought it was more online focused, as in persistent world. I never really took interest in the game so I never looked properly into it though.

 

[Songbird]

I don't understand the thread and GB community implosions that come from the quick look videos. I mean, I fucking love Demon's Souls and don't hold it against the guys when they say they don't enjoy it. Saying "they should do more research" is dumb as hell when a quick look is jumping into the game "raw," so to speak.

Plus why shouldn't Jeff be outspoken about his time with bots in Brink? If the GB community don't have the brains to decide for themselves why should the crew lower their standards?

Yeah. That's exactly what I said.

Someone's got a grudge. Was it 8.8? Some other review bashing a favourite of yours?

 

[jergrah]

Wait, people actually liked the Scott Pilgrim game?

I must have missed their QL of the game -- but I absolutely loved the Scott Pilgrim game. One of my favorite DLC titles from last year.

Im watching the Brink QL right now - about 20 minutes in - not sure why it's garnishing so much hate.

 

[Patryn]

Yeah. That's exactly what I said.

I realize that's not what you meant, but you can certainly read the implication that the staff should curtail their comments due to the "lemming" nature of their fanbase from your comments.

 

[Songbird]

I realize that's not what you meant, but you can certainly read the implication that the staff should curtail their comments due to the "lemming" nature of their fanbase from your comments.

I think it's exactly what he meant. Because the fanbase obviously have no minds of their own the editors should avoid criticising releases. It would hurt the game's reputation so much!

 

[Data West]

I don't understand the thread and GB community implosions that come from the quick look videos. I mean, I fucking love Demon's Souls and don't hold it against the guys when they say they don't enjoy it. Saying "they should do more research" is dumb as hell when a quick look is jumping into the game "raw," so to speak.

Plus why shouldn't Jeff be outspoken about his time with bots in Brink? If the GB community don't have the brains to decide for themselves why should the crew lower their standards?


Someone's got a grudge. Was it 8.8? Some other review bashing a favourite of yours?

Yeah, even though I have a yearly whiskey subscription, I surely hate them all. Someone's taking this way too seriously.

 

[Brandon F]

I'm the last person to ever buy a team focused mp shooter, but that quick look did the game no favors to convince me to give the genre a chance. Seems like the core audience can dig deep to find amusement, but as a fan of rtcw mp(and nothing similar since), brink seems less inviting than I suppose it should.

 

[Songbird]

Yeah, even though I have a yearly whiskey subscription, I surely hate them all. Someone's taking this way too seriously.

I think even suggesting that a quick look hurts a game in general is far too serious.

 

[Data West]

I think even suggesting that a quick look hurts a game in general is far too serious.

I think it makes a dent. Look at the Brink forums on Giantbomb then look at them after the quicklook opens up. I don't think it's an immediate dealbreaker, but I do think it has an effect. I'm not saying that Jeff can't express his opinion. I'm just saying that it's not the best representation of the game. I think it's great that he's giving the online a chance before the review, but I wish more people wouldn't just take GB's word as gospel on these things. I mean, if it wasn't for the fact that Demon's Souls had positive buzz EVERYWHERE else then I could've seen the entire GB community (which is becoming bigger by the day) ignoring that game.

I'm not one for rewarding broken games, but I do think that it's a pretty decent game by the end of the day. Most Jeff and Brad quicklooks are them just tearing apart everything in a negative manner unless it plays similar to something they like. Watch the Motorstorm apocalypse, it's pretty much Jeff bashing the game constantly and Ryan trying to look at the upside.

 

[Riposte]

I think even suggesting that a quick look hurts a game in general is far too serious.

Hmmm, there is no reason to think it doesn't. Especially a very negative misrepresentation.

 

[StrayB]

Not a fan of the game, but Brink may have benefited from a public demo before release. That way reviewers could have had a better impression on the multiplayer aspect, instead of having to rely on bots or human players who don't know what they're doing (as mentioned by Jeff in the QL). Also, a QL of a multiplayer demo that is objective based, and has experienced players in the game, is usually entertaining to watch.

As for the Brink QL in general, 5+ minutes of menu screens before any actual gameplay is hard to sit through. As is 20+ minutes of dumb bots. Total snooze fest. Also, someone give Brad a teleprompter, that way viewers wouldn't have to listen to 5+ minutes (hyperbole) of him making an incoherent comparison/contrast to Battlefield. His point was understandable when he finally made it, but holy shit at how long it took him to make it.

I should mention that I mean no offense to anyone here (Since there are a few fans of the site that take it personally whenever someone criticizes GB).

 

[slaughterking]

Jeff's Brink review is online. I'm sure you guys will like it.

 

[Technosteve]

Brink got a 2 dang splash damage might not exists if sales bomba

 

[THRILLH0]

People get way too hung up on quick looks. Already saw someone in the Brink topic complaining about GB's "reviews" and how they need to "research games more".

GB needs to issue some sort of public service announcement stressing the difference between off the cuff random gameplay and an actual final word review.

The best thing about Jeff and Ryan is that they don't give a fuck what the idiots think.

 

[Dizzy-4U]

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[John Rabbit]

Brink got a 2 dang splash damage might not exists if sales bomba

it's logical to assume jeff gerstmann's review will be the sole deciding factor on splash damage's future. i agree.

 

[Patryn]

I think it makes a dent. Look at the Brink forums on Giantbomb then look at them after the quicklook opens up. I don't think it's an immediate dealbreaker, but I do think it has an effect. I'm not saying that Jeff can't express his opinion. I'm just saying that it's not the best representation of the game. I think it's great that he's giving the online a chance before the review, but I wish more people wouldn't just take GB's word as gospel on these things. I mean, if it wasn't for the fact that Demon's Souls had positive buzz EVERYWHERE else then I could've seen the entire GB community (which is becoming bigger by the day) ignoring that game.

I'm not one for rewarding broken games, but I do think that it's a pretty decent game by the end of the day. Most Jeff and Brad quicklooks are them just tearing apart everything in a negative manner unless it plays similar to something they like. Watch the Motorstorm apocalypse, it's pretty much Jeff bashing the game constantly and Ryan trying to look at the upside.

But that's not something GB can control. They can't yell at people "Don't just listen to us!" They can just honestly present how they feel about a game and hope that people are smart enough to make their own informed decision.

For instance, just as you discovered and loved Demon's Souls, so too did I ignore all their comments about Alpha Protocol and that's my GOTY 2010.

Again, though, that's not something GB can enforce, and they really shouldn't. It's a site for them and their opinions.

Hmmm, there is no reason to think it doesn't. Especially a very negative misrepresentation.

Is it a misrepresentation when in the final review he gives the game a 2? It's clear he didn't like it, and the QL reflects that fact.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

The last few pages pages just kinda reminded me...


Demon's Souls, amirite?

That was hilarious. Jeff was all ASDFASDFASDFASDF upon seeing the mindslayer guys. Same with Ryan and the Etrian Odyssey III QL, they're so uncomfortable at it after so long, you can't help but laugh.