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legbone said:
jeez, the man is entitled to his own opinion. i found it interesting that he spoke of it playing like the first one (shoot with tranq, hide, etc) to the point of boredom. this is the most negative comment he made on the game.
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And this is the problem when it comes to playing Deus Ex. A lot of people probably enjoyed the game a lot more because they didn't play that way.
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Danne-Danger said:
It's not that, it's the "you're playing it wrong" feeling that you'll see mirrored from a lot of gaffers once a game has come out and people can gauge their experience in comparison to what the press said. This time we just got it earlier since the preview leaked.
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What's the problem with people saying 'you're playing it wrong', exactly?

Danne-Danger said:
And personally I don't care about reviews except from a select few journalists. I don't read many previews, the bombcast and Weekend Confirmed was my only exposure to what the press had to say about HR. In this case I'm excited for HR (after I played it) and I feel that fans should know that it's a good game that's true to its roots. Which I'm sure is what a lot of people were hoping for.
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Why do you care about what a reviewer puts out if you don't even read it?
 
rudds said:
Maybe you should watch the video again, since that's the opposite of what I said.
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Sure enough, I didn't quote it quite right, but I hardly think that's the opposite of what you said.

You said it was "somewhat playable" before, but that you could get on board now with the texture pack.

It's the whole idea that a game can age to the point where it can no longer be played that I take issue with, and can't personally understand. The exact magnitude of your statement isn't really important :P
 
MarshMellow96 said:
What's the problem with people saying 'you're playing it wrong', exactly?
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They feel like reviewers go into a game with a set expectation of what it's going to be and dock points for the game not playing like they expect it to? Like the notion that every reviewer expects every FPS to play like COD, every RPG like Mass Effect, etc. which of course is a very broad generalization, but it's something you see on GAF all the time. Sometimes it's fanboys ranting and sometimes you have video evidence that it is indeed the case.
Why do you care about what a reviewer puts out if you don't even read it?
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Because clearly if the reviewer still has a job some people are listening to what he has to say, if he's doing it wrong he's doing a lot of people a disservice isn't he?
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hamchan said:
Reviewers are doing their jobs wrong by just giving their opinions about something? Wow.
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Uhm, reviews, when they are factually incorrect, yes, that's someone doing a poor job. Klepeck left an opinion about a game he barely played, he could've handled it better, but a review from him is bound to be different, I think. We're beyond that now, through the looking glass.
 
Danne-Danger said:
They feel like reviewers go into a game with a set expectation of what it's going to be and dock points for the game not playing like they expect it to? Like the notion that every reviewer expects every FPS to play like COD, every RPG like Mass Effect, etc. which of course is a very broad generalization, but it's something you see on GAF all the time. Sometimes it's fanboys ranting and sometimes you have video evidence that it is indeed the case.
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So do you think Patrick feels like Deus Ex should feel like COD?

Danne-Danger said:
Because clearly if the reviewer still has a job some people are listening to what he has to say, if he's doing it wrong he's doing a lot of people a disservice isn't he?
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But it's the person's prerogative, is it not, to use what is said as they see fit? We don't see reviewers losing their jobs because of poor consumer feedback. Yes we've seen reviewers lose their jobs because of giving bad scores, but we're not yet at the stage where reviewers are directly accountable to consumers and their level of enjoyment. It's not the reviewer's fault that a particular person doesn't want to shop around.


Danne-Danger said:
Uhm, reviews, when they are factually incorrect, yes, that's someone doing a poor job. Klepeck left an opinion about a game he barely played, he could've handled it better, but a review from him is bound to be different, I think. We're beyond that now, through the looking glass.
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This is also pretty fallacious. By that rationale, a reviewer could play Bubsy 3D for 2 hours (which is more than enough) and not see that it's a bad game.

At the end of the day, Klepek's comments were for a podcast. Taking someone to task over a review, perhaps you have something there (irrespective of taking a parochial view of reviews, or whatever); but over an ephemeral comment in a podcast? Maybe not.
 
MarshMellow96 said:
So do you think Patrick feels like Deus Ex should feel like COD?
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What? No, read again.
But it's the person's prerogative, is it not, to use what is said as they see fit? We don't see reviewers losing their jobs because of poor consumer feedback. Yes we've seen reviewers lose their jobs because of giving bad scores, but we're not yet at the stage where reviewers are directly accountable to consumers and their level of enjoyment. It's not the reviewer's fault that a particular person doesn't want to shop around.
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No, very true. All I'm saying is that you should be able to expect a certain level of quality from a review. That they've played the game enough and that they've explored all the possibilities, that they can say what works and what doesn't in a broad sense. Then it is a huge plus if a reviewer knows his history and is competent at what he does. It all depends on his audience of course (as long as he "does it right"!), GAF can be a lot harsher than your average consumer.
This is also pretty fallacious. By that rationale, a reviewer could play Bubsy 3D for 2 hours (which is more than enough) and not see that it's a bad game.

At the end of the day, Klepek's comments were for a podcast. Taking someone to task over a review, perhaps you have something there (irrespective of taking a parochial view of reviews, or whatever); but over an ephemeral comment in a podcast? Maybe not.
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Again, me calling him "dense" and not seeing his point of view was because I had played the whole thing and he hadn't. I couldn't understand how he came to that conclusion if he played the same thing I did, I thought he missed something, and it turned out that he did since he didn't play the whole thing. That explained a lot. All is forgiven.
 
Danne-Danger said:
What? No, read again.
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Sorry, I was acting a little facetious. What you're talking about is their problem, not yours.

Danne-Danger said:
No, very true. All I'm saying is that you should be able to expect a certain level of quality from a review. That they've played the game enough and that they've explored all the possibilities, that they can say what works and what doesn't in a broad sense. Then it is a huge plus if a reviewer knows his history and is competent at what he does. It all depends on his audience of course (as long as he "does it right"!), GAF can be a lot harsher than your average consumer.
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It's a lot easier if you don't expect much, I guess. You're aiming that particular criticism at the wrong guys, though, I feel. Klepek and the rest of Giant Bomb might not get it right all the time, but what they're do usually works. Klepek does pretty well with his investigative stuff; on the whole, the GB guys come across as very passionate individuals. They're way ahead of a lot of larger institutions.

We'll just have to wait and see how they feel about the full game.
 
MarshMellow96 said:
It's a lot easier if you don't expect much, I guess. You're aiming that particular criticism at the wrong guys, though, I feel. Klepek and the rest of Giant Bomb might not get it right all the time, but what they're do usually works. Klepek does pretty well with his investigative stuff; on the whole, the GB guys come across as very passionate individuals. They're way ahead of a lot of larger institutions.

We'll just have to wait and see how they feel about the full game.
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Yeah, poor Patrick was just caught in the crossfire is all. I have respect for the guys at GB, Jeff's review of Alpha Protocol was very well written, that's a game I felt didn't get a fair shake from a lot of people. He could articulate how he felt and did it well. It's really mainly their Quick Looks that puts all sorts of ideas into your head sometimes. When I do feel like reading a review I'll turn to Jeff, we don't agree most of the time but he's a good guy. And regardless of how well they play in their Quick Looks they're a valuable source for forming your own opinion.

I look forward to reading Klepeck's review now, it'll be the only one except for the one from Tom Chick. :P
 
Danne-Danger said:
What? No, read again.

No, very true. All I'm saying is that you should be able to expect a certain level of quality from a review. That they've played the game enough and that they've explored all the possibilities, that they can say what works and what doesn't in a broad sense. Then it is a huge plus if a reviewer knows his history and is competent at what he does. It all depends on his audience of course (as long as he "does it right"!), GAF can be a lot harsher than your average consumer.

Again, me calling him "dense" and not seeing his point of view was because I had played the whole thing and he hadn't. I couldn't understand how he came to that conclusion if he played the same thing I did, I thought he missed something, and it turned out that he did since he didn't play the whole thing. That explained a lot. All is forgiven.
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But he didn't fucking review it!

Jesus Christ... all I get from you is that you think the game is wonderful, and how dare Patrick not like it!

Patrick played it, he didn't like it. That happens.

If we start saying that reviewers can't say they don't like a game that others find wonderful because some misguided person might skip out on it or something then... I don't fucking know what. That's just crazy beyond belief.

You're basically arguing that since you like the game, therefore EVERYONE must like the game. Not everyone likes the same thing! Different people see different things in games. You've not yet shown one factual inaccuracy in what he said. And what he said wasn't even a review - it was an off-the-cuff remark on a podcast, for god's sake.
 
Patryn said:
But he didn't fucking review it!

Jesus Christ... all I get from you is that you think the game is wonderful, and how dare Patrick not like it!

Patrick played it, he didn't like it. That happens.

If we start saying that reviewers can't say they don't like a game that others find wonderful because some misguided person might skip out on it or something then... I don't fucking know what. That's just crazy beyond belief.

You're basically arguing that since you like the game, therefore EVERYONE must like the game. Not everyone likes the same thing! Different people see different things in games. You've not yet shown one factual inaccuracy in what he said. And what he said wasn't even a review - it was an off-the-cuff remark on a podcast, for god's sake.
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Where did I say he reviewed it? Patrick said he had played it, his opinion didn't correspond with what GAF was saying (who also played it), turns out he didn't play it that much, which explained everything.

No need to get upset about it.
 
Danne-Danger said:
Where did I say he reviewed it? Patrick said he had played it, his opinion didn't correspond with what GAF was saying (who also played it), turns out he didn't play it that much, which explained everything.

No need to get upset about it.
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Except that even in this statement, you imply that had Patrick played the entire thing, he MUST agree with the majority.

Which is just.... crazy.
 
Patryn said:
Except that even in this statement, you imply that had Patrick played the entire thing, he MUST agree with the majority.

Which is just.... crazy.
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No, I'm saying that he wouldn't have said those things he said on the podcast if he did, which is why everyone found his comments so perplexing.
 
This thread went in a direction alright.

fwiw, I think this is one of those cases where you haven't played a game for a long time and you're basing a lot on nostalgia. By all accounts, Human Revolution is very much like Deus Ex. But if you haven't played Deus Ex in a long time and your tastes have changed, maybe if you played that game today, you might feel differently. Game design has changed a lot in a decade.

Personally, I haven't played the leaked alpha or a preview code. But I've played Deus Ex and UNRELATED VIDEO GAME Invisible War again last year. Deus Ex is super duper. Invisible War is super pooper. Human Revolution seems to be hitting all the right notes from Deus Ex just judging from release media and impressions.

just to clarify, I'm using a lot of letters to say: opinions are opinions, but sometimes it's good to reevaluate why you hold that opinion.

that sounded really dumb.
 
zoner said:
I would like to see what his problems are without name calling. I'm honestly curious what some journalists don't see in it that people on GAF do.

Also, is he technically allowed to talk about it? I'm not sure what the preview build leak did to the NDA.
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NDA lifted prior to the build leak anyway.
 
SatelliteOfLove said:
You know all those posts where people lament that they would love to talk to the devs/journos that we like, but they don't post anywhere near often enough? Yah.
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Because of one guy?
 
zoner said:
Because of one guy?
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Well to be fair I've seen people be as (if not more) hostile as I was in this very thread before, not that that makes it alright. I feel I've explained myself enough though, and I've apologized. If Klepeck has anything to add he's free to do so.
 
Danne-Danger said:
Well to be fair I've seen people be as (if not more) hostile as I was in this very thread before, not that that makes it alright. I feel I've explained myself enough though, and I've apologized. If Klepeck has anything to add he's free to do so.
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He doesn't need your permission.
 
Danne-Danger said:
... of course not?
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Reread the way you have been speaking. Think about the words and phrases you chose. Try to figure out why everybody thinks you are being a dick. It could be a good exercise for you.
 
Yaboosh said:
Reread the way you have been speaking. Think about the words and phrases you chose. Try to figure out why everybody thinks you are being a dick. It could be a good exercise for you.
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Oh but I do, very carefully. The bait was way to harsh but it worked (I'll try to be nicer to all the journalists out there in the future), issues were solved, misconceptions were clarified, insults withdrawn and Klepeck got an extra reader for upcoming his review. Everyone wins.

Anyway, let's just label it as Dean Takahashi aftershocks and call it quits.
 
Fjordson said:
Have they shown anything from the console versions of Deus Ex? Have a bad feeling they're going to be shit.
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I think most if not all the footage they've shown is from the PS3 version
 
Gexecuter said:
Hey guys how about those Quick looks? I think Quick looks are great, discuss.
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I'm glad they are doing some throwbacks and some early 3DS releases now when their is nothing coming out.
 
Gexecuter said:
Hey guys how about those Quick looks? I think Quick looks are great, discuss.
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I think Quick Looks are great when they do some playing or research before they actually play. When they start the entire thing cold, it falls flat on its face.
 
I think they should do more quick looks of small PC indie games, Steam releases a ton of those like every week and most of them do look interesting. It's too bad they don't pay more attention to stuff like that.
 
Jintor said:
I finally watched that Super Mario Bros Wii quick look. Holy shit that was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
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I think what sets it apart from the NSMB Wii Let's Plays of the world is that Jeff didn't know about manually bubbling in multiplayer, and explicitly told the other three that the A button did nothing.

That, of course, totally changes NSMBWii to be even more dickish and terrible to friendships than usual.
 
thetrin said:
I think Quick Looks are great when they do some playing or research before they actually play. When they start the entire thing cold, it falls flat on its face.
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The uncharted 3 multiplayer beta was insane to watch. I don't have a PS3 so am iffy on what the multiplayer on that game actually is but wow, WOW!

It was just vinny asking questions with brad saying "i dunno, OH SPIDERS!"
 
Dany M said:
The uncharted 3 multiplayer beta was insane to watch. I don't have a PS3 so am iffy on what the multiplayer on that game actually is but wow, WOW!

It was just vinny asking questions with brad saying "i dunno, OH SPIDERS!"
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It becomes painful to watch at that point.
 
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