I'm not even interested in Splatoon, and I still think that even with the small amount of info they have shown of the game is enough to dismiss this narrow view of the game.
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The Guardian: Nintendo is BACK
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I'm not even interested in Splatoon, and I still think that even with the small amount of info they have shown of the game is enough to dismiss this narrow view of the game.
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Perhaps. But there's nothing shown than makes it an obvious fit for fans of Metroid Prime, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark etc., which was the point I was disputing. It's clearly not that type of shooter. And by all accounts it's an online first, campaign second shooter, so anyone who hates online gaming probably won't like it much. Though I guess being Nintendo it will probably have splitscreen local MP.
But overall, I do have pretty narrow views of games. If something comes off as "kiddy," it's just not going to appeal to me. I've never been into cartoons, comic books or any of that kind of stuff really. I won't totally right off a game with cartoony graphics, but it has to be something like Borderlands or Wind Waker where the gameplay really grabs me and is really unique to anything else at the time for me to play it. i.e. I'm much less interested in a BL3 now that there's Destiny.
It's not a "coolness" thing. Just some negative reaction to cartoony art designs I have.
Maybe it's just my overall abject hatred of children spilling over. Perhaps. But there's nothing shown than makes it an obvious fit for fans of Metroid Prime, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark etc., which was the point I was disputing. It's clearly not that type of shooter. And by all accounts it's an online first, campaign second shooter, so anyone who hates online gaming probably won't like it much. Though I guess being Nintendo it will probably have splitscreen local MP.
But overall, I do have pretty narrow views of games. If something comes off as "kiddy," it's just not going to appeal to me. I've never been into cartoons, comic books or any of that kind of stuff really. I won't totally right off a game with cartoony graphics, but it has to be something like Borderlands or Wind Waker where the gameplay really grabs me and is really unique to anything else at the time for me to play it. i.e. I'm much less interested in a BL3 now that there's Destiny.
It's not a "coolness" thing. Just some negative reaction to cartoony art designs I have.
hahaha, ok, fair enough.
and that last bolded bit made me spit my coffee. Thanks.
SolidSnakex
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Perhaps. But there's nothing shown than makes it an obvious fit for fans of Metroid Prime, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark etc., which was the point I was disputing. It's clearly not that type of shooter. And by all accounts it's an online first, campaign second shooter, so anyone who hates online gaming probably won't like it much. Though I guess being Nintendo it will probably have splitscreen local MP.
But overall, I do have pretty narrow views of games. If something comes off as "kiddy," it's just not going to appeal to me. I've never been into cartoons, comic books or any of that kind of stuff really. I won't totally right off a game with cartoony graphics, but it has to be something like Borderlands or Wind Waker where the gameplay really grabs me and is really unique to anything else at the time for me to play it. i.e. I'm much less interested in a BL3 now that there's Destiny.
It's not a "coolness" thing. Just some negative reaction to cartoony art designs I have.
perhaps, and this is a friendly suggestion, you should curb your strong opinion towards Splatoon on the grounds that you probably haven't paid attention to it very much after realizing you didn't like it. which is cool I'm just saying you don't seem knowledgeable enough about the game to be making some of the claims you've been claiming. I hope this doesn't come off as rude
Neff
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Oh, they do mention it, but I don't think it's the focus of the article. It's not what's 'changed', and it's not why Nintendo's 'back'.
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perhaps, and this is a friendly suggestion, you should curb your strong opinion towards Splatoon on the grounds that you probably haven't paid attention to it very much after realizing you didn't like it. which is cool I'm just saying you don't seem knowledgeable enough about the game to be making some of the claims you've been claiming. I hope this doesn't come off as rude
Not rude at all.
I wasn't so much trying to say much about the game other than noting that it's definitely clear that it's not an FPA or story-driven FPS game from even the briefest glance at a video or article from the E3 reveal.
My larger point was the hypocrisy of Nintendo fanboys (no one in this thread) who both say they HATE online gaming AND shooters and thing they're ruining "their hobby" yet are excited for this. However different it is, it's an online shooter.
In any case, I did finally notice that GAF has an ignore feature, so I'll begin using that for extreme fanboys on all sides to avoid annoyances at all the console defense force stuff that leads to that type of hypocrisy.
I couldn't care less about whether Nintendo is back or never left. I have a Wii U and I really like it. If these headlines are attention-grabbing enough to actually get people buying Wii Us
so I can get more games made for the thing (preferably some weird middle-tier JP stuff) I'll be happy.
Edit: I do think that these positive stories are ultimately good for the Wii U, as they help change the conversation. It's not enough to sell more Wii Us, or at least not many more, but it's certainly better than Nintendo doom and gloom stories.
they aren't
Edit: I do think that these positive stories are ultimately good for the Wii U, as they help change the conversation. It's not enough to sell more Wii Us, or at least not many more, but it's certainly better than Nintendo doom and gloom stories.
Definitely. And I only meant it in a bad way in the sense that it's just not my cup of tea. I'd don't like just "playing." I need to be working toward something. Finishing quests. Leveling up. Progressing a story. Yeah, game stories mostly have a long way to go to catch up with even mediocre books/movies. But they still give me purpose, and the interactive nature is something those other mediums can't recreate. Especially compared to games that give you choices that impact the plot and endings.
I know it's silly to have that need to "feel productive" when gaming, but that's just how I am. Just clearing levels in a platformer doesn't give me that sense of being productive that doing quests in Destiny does etc. That's not limited to Nintendo type games though, I don't really like competitive MP games for similar reasons--though I did get sucked into CoD for a while with the leveling system and Halo Reach with the daily challenges etc.
I guess I just kind of feel guilty anytime I'm wasting time on games as I always have work I could/should be doing to advance my career, could be volunteering etc.
But like you say, that's the great thing about gaming. There's are plenty of games for gamers of all stripes.
Performing mundane tasks doesn't make me feel productive. When I'm playing those games doing things like loot management, comparing equipment stats in Skyrim, leveling up my pistols in CoD, killing 12 deers in WoW; it makes me question what I'm doing with my life. Yet they draw me in due to the addictive qualities they possess. I think the word we're looking for is grinding. When I quit playing those games is when I put in real effort in other games with real depth, say stuff like Bayonetta, Pikmin, Rhythm Heaven. Getting platinum medals, shaving off day cycles, getting the rhythm down. That shit takes effort and it's not something I can do after a long day. I sometimes get the feeling I just want to log back into WoW, chat with people, collect some herbs, run some instances but then I realize it's ultimately meaningless. Like doing daily routines.
Definitely. And I only meant it in a bad way in the sense that it's just not my cup of tea. I'd don't like just "playing." I need to be working toward something. Finishing quests. Leveling up. Progressing a story. Yeah, game stories mostly have a long way to go to catch up with even mediocre books/movies. But they still give me purpose, and the interactive nature is something those other mediums can't recreate. Especially compared to games that give you choices that impact the plot and endings.
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I guess I just kind of feel guilty anytime I'm wasting time on games as I always have work I could/should be doing to advance my career, could be volunteering etc.
But like you say, that's the great thing about gaming. There's are plenty of games for gamers of all stripes.
I can't relate to the need to feel productive while playing a game, but what really stands out to me is that you mention leveling and quests as fulfilling that feeling of productivity. I'm sure you realize that's far from a universal sentiment.
How many people dislike CoD but enjoy Team Fortress, Halo, Battlefield, and other not entirely dissimilar games? You're holding people to a pretty odd standard, and going out of your way to be as reductionist as possible in order to do so.
Cool story but all of this is useless if Nintendo doesn't restock games and actually spends some money in retail visibility. It doesn't matter where, the Wii U section is always ridiculously small and without games, Wonderful 101 and Lego City? Yeah good luck finding that, or Mario 3D World while we're at it.
Not at all.
I wasn't so much trying to say much about the game other than noting that it's definitely clear that it's not an FPA or story-driven FPS game from even the briefest glance at a video or article from the E3 reveal.
My larger point was the hypocrisy of Nintendo fanboys (no one in this thread) who both say they HATE online gaming AND shooters and thing they're ruining "their hobby" yet are excited for this. However different it is, it's an online shooter.
In any case, I did finally notice that GAF has an ignore feature, so I'll begin using that for extreme fanboys on all sides to avoid annoyances at all the console defense force stuff that leads to that type of hypocrisy.
ok I got ya now! I just happen to fall under the hates most shooters/likes Splatoon category and being a Nintendo-only gamer I've had the fanboy claim thrown around quite a bit. I think Nintendo-only gamers don't get the benefit of the doubt that Sony and MS gamers do when it comes to playing the fanboy card, but that's a whole 'nother subject.
I get where you're coming from now, though. every console maker has their fanboys and that word has a negative connotation for a reason.
cheers!
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Yeah, it's definitely a different strokes for different folks things. I hate skill based and overly challenging games. I'm always tired and stressed out from work and life so I like games I can veg out. I don't really like grinding either. I just like progressing through games and stories. I don't like RPGs that require a lot of grinding to progress, and often just turn the difficulty down in games like Skyrim and just do the story and guild questlines.
Relaxing is my main reason to play games, and I like games where I'm just consuming a story, doing quests that progress that etc. The only grindy things I'll play are stuff like BL and Destiny, and a lot of that appeal is playing with friends who live far away. So that's real life productive in terms of maintaining relationships that I'd let lapse otherwise as I'm lazy about keeping in touch otherwise, and so are a lot of my friends as we're all swamped with work etc.
I can't relate to the need to feel productive while playing a game, but what really stands out to me is that you mention leveling and quests as fulfilling that feeling of productivity. I'm sure you realize that's far from a universal sentiment.
Definitely. As I said above, a great thing about gaming is there are plenty of types of games for everyone.
Sure. I just haven't been clear enough I guess. My beef is with the Nintendo fanboys who defend their ass backwards online gaming etc. by saying they hate online gaming, specifically hate online shooters etc., yet are excited for Splatoon.
It's just like the PS fanboys who bashed live being paid and had no issues when Sony put online gaming behind the PS+ paywall. Just pure console defense force nonsense.
MrNyarlathotep
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Imru al-Qays;122516605 said:
I didn't pick "PC exclusives", I picked the WRPGs that people who are seriously into WRPGS want. they're also not all kickstarters.
FlashbladeGAF
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Not at all.
I wasn't so much trying to say much about the game other than noting that it's definitely clear that it's not an FPA or story-driven FPS game from even the briefest glance at a video or article from the E3 reveal.
My larger point was the hypocrisy of Nintendo fanboys (no one in this thread) who both say they HATE online gaming AND shooters and thing they're ruining "their hobby" yet are excited for this. However different it is, it's an online shooter.
In any case, I did finally notice that GAF has an ignore feature, so I'll begin using that for extreme fanboys on all sides to avoid annoyances at all the console defense force stuff that leads to that type of hypocrisy.
A lot hasn't been revealed about Splatoon, but there is a single player campaign, so we don't know how deep the game goes/gets.
I think the people that dislike shooters don't necessarily hate the games themselves but the people that tend to be in them. And if they do have a dislike for them, it's probably because they feel that they are all the same (head shots win all).
This game, so far, shows that getting the perfect headshot isn't as important as covering the most territory, which is something so simple anyone can grasp and sets it apart from most shooters ... which is why I think you have a lot of people jumping on board.
They can see how competitive and easy it is and how fun it can be, where something like your standard shooter would push or frustrate some, because of the high level of skill involved.
Metal Gear?!
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Divinity Original Sin JUST came out and people are seriously arguing over WRPGs on PC?
SCReuter
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Thank you.
nephilimdj
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Nintendo is going to have a few big spikes this year with the wiiu, but not sure about being back. Even the article says that down the bottom.
Which is weird, how can you be back if your going to be stuck 3rd with crap sales 9months a year? (no big releases)
Which is weird, how can you be back if your going to be stuck 3rd with crap sales 9months a year? (no big releases)
It's a joke on how Metroid Fusion is "Metroid 4".
Really? What a load of exaggerations.
And when you were growing up? You're no longer growing up?
Except that Splatoon looks like a fun game to play.
If you don't see the elegance in the design, and understand how that leads naturally to depth and, in general, a game that can be played many many times for fun, then I don't know what to tell you.
Its design is concinnitous. As far as what we have seen so far, anyways. Painting surfaces with your gun is the way to gain territory for your side. Territory that is painted in 'your' color is more easily and quickly traversed. You can turn to squid form and even more quickly swim through your team's ink, or hide in it. Shooting your opponent instead of the environment will make them have to respawn.
It is simple, and it all works together in a way that made me very interested right from the first reveal at E3, in the digital event.
People were remarking, I noticed in a thread the other day, on the fact that these mobas which are so popular these days, don't even have a bunch of different maps. And the fact of the matter is that, for a simple, elegant game made to be played competitively for fun, one really good map is much better than a bunch of serviceable maps.
Now, as far as I know, there will be no real scarcity of maps in the final version of Splatoon. But the point is that for a game that is going to be played over and over, too much crap added to the basic formula is just a distraction that will ultimately cause people to find something else to do with their time.
Basketball doesn't need a bunch of different courts to be played on, and when people make up silly variants of it with trampolines in the court and shit, it's obviously just a gimmick dreamt up in a hope to make a little money off it.
Go doesn't need a bunch of different game boards to play it on. It doesn't need loadout cards to play, or experience levels or any of that shit because it works great as a game that is very simple and elegant.
Games aren't likely to be played for hundreds or thousands of years if they have a bunch of extraneous complicated bullshit added on top of a solid base set of rules. Simple can be a good thing in a game that people may want to play over and over for years. Concinnitous game design allows depth and a decent skill ceiling.
imo and all that.
I think it's more of a "Nintendo got their mojo back" type thing rather than "Nintendo consoles are about to set the world on fire"
I think people just have confidence in Nintendo's vision now when they may not have before. whether that translates to sales, and to what extent, remains to be seen.
It's been two years and Nintendo only now appears to 'finally be making things better'. Granted, Nintendo has an stellar opportunity from now til September with Smash Bros; with nothing being released for PS4/XB1.
I want to see Nintendo succeed; their games are the epitome of fun.
I want to see Nintendo succeed; their games are the epitome of fun.
-MD-
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I'm like 90% sure I'm gonna end up picking a WiiU up next year for Star Fox and Zelda to compliment my PC.
By then it should be like 200 bucks hopefully, gonna be good.
you shouldnt generalise groups.
say 2 fanboys, A and B. A says err merr god i hate online shooters they are all brown. B says he loves splatoon. Because you grouped them you now think of A+B as one person, who has contradictory views. you are better off assigning this to actual people.
Beyonce Beytwice
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I like The Guardian but this is quite hyperbolic. For the rest of the year I'm only interested in two Nintendo games: SSB4 (Wii U) and Pokémon Ω Ruby. Everything else is crap or not coming out until 2015 (like Zelda U and Kirby Canvas Curse 2). The second half of 2014 lineup looks very meager and anemic. I hope they have some eShop surprises in store at least.
poor Captain Toad :'(
Bayonetta 2 is crap
So too is Hyrule Warriors
And I'm guessing Alpha Sapphire is crap too
Oh no!
What's Sony's and Microsoft's agenda?
uhhh, awesome games coming to Wii U?
do you mean from an investor's perspective or something? they have had several investor briefings where they detail their concrete agenda on how to move forward.
Mango The Magician
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That's cool and all. but where did they go though?
Beyonce Beytwice
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Bayonetta 2 is crap
So too is Hyrule Warriors
And I'm guessing Alpha Sapphire is crap too
Oh no!
Correct.
just answering your first question, my man
subjective things will always be subjective
Imru al-Qays
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This is the No True Scotsman fallacy. The biggest WRPG series are all on console. Most of them sell most of their copies on console. There are plenty of PC exclusive WRPGs: in an absolute sense the PC is a better platform to play WRPGs on. But the difference isn't all that significant - certainly it's not significant enough that someone can't have access to most of the best WRPG experiences without owning a gaming PC.
Infernal Monkey
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They went to the Moon to bring back Mega Man.
SmokedMeat
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You seem to have selective memory since you can bring up Watch Dogs slated (cancelled?) for Wii U, yet somehow completely forget Diablo UE is hitting PS4/X1 next month, followed by Dragon Age in November, and Witcher 3 and Elder Scrolls Online on tap. Also it appears every wrpg released last gen (of which Nintendo received none) suddenly evaporated.
licktheenvelope
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I have a PC + PS4 + PSVita + Wii U (as my current gen systems)...
Use them in that order the most, but I do like the Wii U, the games just haven't captured me yet.
Have a couple I haven't played yet though, like Zombie U.
Use them in that order the most, but I do like the Wii U, the games just haven't captured me yet.
Have a couple I haven't played yet though, like Zombie U.
EventHorizon
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While interesting, the fact that this poll was conducted around E3 contaminates its ability to predict long term trends. The results are capturing the answer to the question "Who do you think had the best E3 showing?" as much as "Do you intend to purchase an XB1/PS4/WiiU?" You see the same thing in political polls following a convention.
Spikes in interest and sales have been the norm this generation. It's sustainability that's been the problem.
Spikes in interest and sales have been the norm this generation. It's sustainability that's been the problem.
KoopaTheCasual
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Why am I so hype for Hyrule Warriors? Especially since I don't like musou generally?Bayonetta 2 is crap
So too is Hyrule Warriors
And I'm guessing Alpha Sapphire is crap too
Oh no!
This article seems full of positive, if not magical thinking.
I suppose it would be accurate to say Nintendo is "Back" for those fans who love them and have been out in the cold for a long a while now in terms of the solid, first-party experiences the company is known for.
Unfortunately i'm really skeptical any run of quality games is capable of salvaging the WiiU at this point. It'll be great for the people who already own one, but I do not see people rushing out to buy the console all of a sudden and reversing the grim fortune Nintendo's too-weird design and complacency with being seen as "The back-up console company" has given it.
I'd say this is like getting to hear the string quartet play a beautiful, emotionally charged piece on the Titanic as it sinks: sure, it's incredible, but they're still going to drown when all is said and done.
I suppose it would be accurate to say Nintendo is "Back" for those fans who love them and have been out in the cold for a long a while now in terms of the solid, first-party experiences the company is known for.
Unfortunately i'm really skeptical any run of quality games is capable of salvaging the WiiU at this point. It'll be great for the people who already own one, but I do not see people rushing out to buy the console all of a sudden and reversing the grim fortune Nintendo's too-weird design and complacency with being seen as "The back-up console company" has given it.
I'd say this is like getting to hear the string quartet play a beautiful, emotionally charged piece on the Titanic as it sinks: sure, it's incredible, but they're still going to drown when all is said and done.
Psycho_Mantis
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You're in for a rude awakening.
They have 5-6 games that are out or are coming out soon-ish, how are they back? It takes more then 1st party titles to support a console. Sega had some amazing first party games and a lot of them every year for the Dreamcast and that didn't save it. What makes anyone think 5-6 games are going to save the Wii-U?
geordiemp
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Nintendo seem to win allot of polls and online votes.
This / IGN / E3 'polls' / Some threads on GAF.....
Not exactly sure what this is telling us.
Imo its either WiiU sales to rocket or Ninendo fans like voting in online polls and taking part in such surveys more than other consumers.
This / IGN / E3 'polls' / Some threads on GAF.....
Not exactly sure what this is telling us.
Imo its either WiiU sales to rocket or Ninendo fans like voting in online polls and taking part in such surveys more than other consumers.
Jakoozie89
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This looks to be the worst gaming fall/winter of the past 5 years or more from Microsoft and Sony and third parties. So yeah, there's definitely more room for Nintendo to swoop in and recruit some people. I personally think it's way too late for the Wii U, but maaaaaaaaybe they can reach Gamecube numbers some day.