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The Last Guardian PS4 vs PS4 Pro Graphics Comparison + Frame-Rate Test
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I was joking.
LukasTaves
Member
I've seen quite a few videos showcasing what seems to be a single digit frame rate. I guess it's a bug then? Or at least something that doesn't happen all that often in 20 was the lowest DF saw.
Jawbreaker
Member
It's a bug.
Dundar
Member
I have the game preordered AND payed but I'm really wondering if I should just resell it immediately, to maximize profit. I love Ueda and his games, and this saddens me to no end, but 20/25fps all around is not an acceptable performance to me, nowadays, and playing at such performance would just frustrate me (yeeeeah I know Ico and Colossus ran worse.... I know). I'll leave the game unopened for the first week and see if Sony patches it.
I know this is not going to be the gold standard since Japan Studio's never been all that proficient in the technical side of things, and buying a Pro just to stabilise the frame rate for this game if out of the question. I just hope this trend does not become a standard for the rest of the generation. Really leaves a sour taste about this whole midgen thing. People will not be left behind, but I guess if people have certain stardards they will sometimes be left behind. It's not "more stable frame rates" Cerny told us about, it's about fixing insufficient frame rates instead. Those are not frame drops, goddamit, the entire game looks to be sub-25fps according to DF video.
Point is, we shouldn't be here speaking about this. This is a sony first party exclusive, it's beyond belief it shipped in such a state.
I know this is not going to be the gold standard since Japan Studio's never been all that proficient in the technical side of things, and buying a Pro just to stabilise the frame rate for this game if out of the question. I just hope this trend does not become a standard for the rest of the generation. Really leaves a sour taste about this whole midgen thing. People will not be left behind, but I guess if people have certain stardards they will sometimes be left behind. It's not "more stable frame rates" Cerny told us about, it's about fixing insufficient frame rates instead. Those are not frame drops, goddamit, the entire game looks to be sub-25fps according to DF video.
Point is, we shouldn't be here speaking about this. This is a sony first party exclusive, it's beyond belief it shipped in such a state.
bananafactory
Banned
Probably a CPU issue, often you can bump up resolution since that's more GPU dependant
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
If it was a CPU issue then the 1080p mode would have the same drops.
Mister Wolf
Member
Framerate comes first don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Is it like the bug in Bloodborne?
One time I went thru the portal to Rom and the frame rate went to almost zero for a short time.
When the frame rate is this low, i can see the arguement.
My problem is that the 4k mode still does the 30 fps, and without playing it i dont onow how often or how noticable it feels when it drops,
I will need to play it to see, but its a shame its a pita to switch back and forth.
Dreams-Visions
Member
suddenly glad I have the PS4 Pro after all.
So many sequences where the regular PS4 sits BELOW 25fps. Fairly shocking.
So many sequences where the regular PS4 sits BELOW 25fps. Fairly shocking.
eyeball_kid
Member
20fps is a bit unbelievable for a PS4 title.
I wonder how much this comes down to the AI code putting strain on the CPU?
I wonder how much this comes down to the AI code putting strain on the CPU?
Dreams-Visions
Member
Sterling said the AI is absolutely atrocious. So presumably...very little? idk.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
It's beyond belief it shipped at all tbh. I'm speaking from a place of privilege because I have the Pro, but I'm just happy that come tomorrow it'll be a post TLG world.
I just watched the video again, this time trying my damnedest not to look at the frame counters. There are times where I can tell a difference, but it's not detrimental, and for the most part, all three versions look pretty much identical to me performance-wise. I think that in any mode, I'd enjoy this game. It might run best on the Pro at 1080, but whatever... I'm playing it at 4K.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
This game would run shitty on the PS4 even if the Pro didn't exist. The Pro is just giving some of us the option avoid the poor performance.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Computations involved in getting something like this going are not just incredibly complex, but also never really done before, so it's not like there was some kind of benchmark example set that could be copied.
From the video, it seems that way - but still IMO they should have maybe rendered it at 1600, to keep the framerate higher.
soldierblue
Member
So there is for real no in game options?
Peterthumpa
Member
I wonder what other games run like shit on the OG PS4 besides TLG, which in fact, runs more or less at 30 PFS even on the PRO @ 4K (the reason most buyers have bought it anyway).
You're generalizing.
Sterling is the definition of whining.
Like he has a clue. It seeming bad to him doesn't have any bearing on what's going on under the hood.
Shin
Banned
Perhaps you should watch the video again...
Here, look at the grass near the boy's left leg: http://puu.sh/sFHce/d56c78eb2e.png
Poimandres
Member
Ahhh feels good to have a Pro!
It's why I picked one up immediately.
I would rather the edge on every game starting now. Not 10 or 20 games from now.
Anyways. This game does run like trash in 4k mode. You feel the sluggish.
The good news is if you do put into 1080p mode it looks and runs great.
I bought a Pro at launch, but wasn't sure if i'd made the right choice as a 1080p screen user. Rich offered to buy it off me actually (I had it preordered in case we needed another machine at launch for DF work) - but after doing these TLG tests I'm happy to keep it.
The Last Guardian's frame-rate isn't going to bother everyone. After all Shadow of the Colossus was an amazing game on PS2 despite its frame-rate issues - and that logic follows on standard PS4 here. But given the option for a smoother frame-rate, for me, it just makes sense to take it.
The Last Guardian's frame-rate isn't going to bother everyone. After all Shadow of the Colossus was an amazing game on PS2 despite its frame-rate issues - and that logic follows on standard PS4 here. But given the option for a smoother frame-rate, for me, it just makes sense to take it.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I have to agree here. I like Sterling's videos on stuff but his reviews are generally kinda eh.
I'm a huge fan of Ico and SotC but as someone who doesn't own a PS4 Pro I feel inclined to skipped this. Someone dun fucked up.
PuppetMaster
Member
If you really are a "huge fan" of SoTC you would be fine with dips from 30. SotC was almost always in the 20s. And even the HD remaster was not a stable 30.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
I waited 7 years for this game. Shadow of the Colossus was a masterpiece, probably in my top 10.
I almost let all the negativity get to me and almost cancelled my pre-order but you know what screw that Im still getting it! Amazon release day delivery pls
I almost let all the negativity get to me and almost cancelled my pre-order but you know what screw that Im still getting it! Amazon release day delivery pls
shadowsdarknes
Member
This becomes an issue when games are targeting the performance of PS4 Pro and not the PS4. Like Dark10x said, the underlying issues are likely within the engine, and not because the game is pushing too many visual effects.
Here's the thing, though. Performance on consoles began to get pretty poor near the end of the generation on PS3/360. The games were running at sub 720p, with poor frame rates, and assets below the low setting on PC.
That's going to happen to the base PS4, too. Perhaps sooner than the PS3/360. The Pro is going to help bridge that gap and avoid low quality late gen ports for those who don't want that. It got frustrating being a console gamer towards the later end of the generation when its clear that these consoles were out on the market for so long. Expect the PS4 to have a long life. It's awfully successful.
Liabe Brave
Member
Think about what you're saying. For base PS4 users, the game runs at a specific framerate. The devs obviously thought that was acceptable. For Pro users at 4K, the game runs better than that. Why would the dev find that suddenly unacceptable?
likedamaster
Member
Never seen a worse looking game, in this gen or the last. wow.
uh huh.
Might I suggest a visit to the eye doctor....
I played some this evening and it was incredible visually.
Maybe you need glasses?
metalslimer
Member
Will they actually patch this to run better in 4k mode? The Japanese development side on Pro seems to be really underwhelming.
pixellated_man
Member
Is Sterling's words taken as gospel around here? I have to ask because I have seen so many people quoting him on Gaf today regarding Last Guardian a.i issues, whilst ignoring other reviewers who had a different take on this same aspect.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I don't recall the HD remaster having that many dips.
Would rather you not make this into a weird thing personally questioning whether or not I'm a fan of a game. I've become more and more sensitive to framerates since I was a teen and I find 20-25 fps to be kinda ridiculous. I'd rather wait til I can play it the optimal way rather than play a subpar version.
Memorabilia
Member
Kinda funny that my first thought was, "Eh...with my crazy backlog I'll just wait ~3 yrs and pick up the remastered PS5 version that'll (hopefully) do 4K @ 60fps.
I'm not gonna be "fine" with dips below 30 fps. And this is coming from someone for whom SoTC is in his top 5.
I'm going to play TLG and (hopefully) like it, but I'll still be grumpy about the performance.
Pathfinder
Member
family_guy
Member
Technically you can just buy a PS5 and play these games then.
WheelHoss1
Member
Are you kidding? 4K4LIFE
I love Jim but this is the same guy who said Xenoblade X's best feature was it's music. You can't trust everything he says. He's a weird dude.
Knack's framerate was garbage at launch and is still garbage on the pro.
This is all Cerny's fault!