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[Insertia]

Considering the tech, I believe Rev will be REALLY cheap. Like $99-$129 cheap ($150 feels like too much for what it is). That's the perfect way for Nintendo to compete with PS3 and Xbox360 (the only way as far as I'm concerned).

Nintendo could really recover a lot of marketshare from Mircosoft if they go that route.

 

[olimario]

2x the processor speeds doesn't equal games looking twice as good.

The developer quotes led me to believe that we'd be seeing twice the performance.

 

[UltraMarioMan]

I still see no specs.

 

[GitarooMan]

I have to say that if true, I'm terribly disappointed that Nintendo decided to cheap out and draw the graphics line at this point. People who say they are just happy with upgraded RE4 and Rogue Leader to me are bascially saying they'll settle for any small improvement becuase they'll take anything Nintendo feeds them. RE4 is great and all, but everyone was saying RE1 was great back in the day. There will be massive improvement in graphics from RE4 in the next 5 years. I mean people have been going apeshit over the supposed non next-gen visuals of X360, this likely will barely reach the levels of PGR3 and Kameo in SD. By late 06 with PS3 and 360 out, this stuff will likely look archaic. I'll get Rev because it'll probably be decent, but I will say my excitement for it is far, far less than PS3. What I'm saying is just my personal reaction, who knows what this means business wise.

 

[Y2Kev]

2x the processor speeds doesn't equal games looking twice as good.

Of course it doesn't, but at this point it seems like sooo many rationales are just flying all over the place. You might call it "damage control," but it just looks like a lot of people are unsure of Nintendo's direction and are uncomfortable admitting it.

Shogmaster was being shouted down for saying exactly this a few months ago. People are not comfortable believing Nintendo could be THAT different.

 

[Error]

Considering the tech, I believe Rev will be REALLY cheap. Like $99-$129 cheap ($150 feels like too much for what it is). That's the perfect way for Nintendo to compete with PS3 and Xbox360 (the only way as far as I'm concerned).

Nintendo could really recover a lot of marketshare from Mircosoft if they go that route.

I'll like a $150 launch pricepoint if they include Mario128(or whatever the new mario is going to be call) pack in with the console like in the NES days.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Nintendo fans have now gone from "480P versions of Xbox 360 and PS3 games! Sweet!" to "Eh, graphics don't matter now anyway. Two time more powerful than the Gamecube is more than enough. Think about the new control scheme!" Funny stuff.

yea...some of the rev>>>>360 graphic goofballs look like douchebags now. But honestly, they looked like douchebags then. Some of you people never listen to what your religion is telling you straight to your face.

ah well. I'd buy one for $100 if it has a few decent games. I'd never pay $200+ for that. They really backed away technologically.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Yeah, but look at the textures. Very little improvement.

They looked much better. Really. Side by side the difference was actually quite impressive (even more so now that we know just how weak the Revolution will be), though at the time when it was shown I thought it basically looked the same.

 

[Letter to Elise]

I still see no specs.

 

[bridegur]

When the controller was first revealed I thought the Rev would be able to deliver some amazing new games, but with this news it sounds like gimmicky junk will be much more likely.

 

[Oblivion]

You know, you can claim Ms and Sony fans would jump ship, but I don't think that's true. They certainly would if it was simply another console with those specs, of course they would. I suspect most Nintendo fans would too if that was the case. But if Sony or MS were touting the same philosophy, had the controller, going for a low price point...I don't see any reason why lots of people wouldn't still be interested. Regardless of the maufacturor.

Sony and MS fans would definitely jump ship if there were no third party games. Well, maybe a good chunk of MS fans might stay for Halo...

 

[dorio]

Pricing this at $99 would be a mistake imo. It would almost be like you're admitting that it's underpowered plus the $99 price point for the gamecube didn't help it much.

 

[elostyle]

Nintendo has definitely gone off the deep end on this one. I mean Deadmeat was actually right for once. I'd say even at $100 2x the GameCube seems like a ripoff. Consoles are 4-5 year investments for many and you pay the high entry price knowing that. Another 4-5 years of essentially GC graphics seems pretty lame. And there's no doubt in my mind, even with underpowered and easy to program hardware, that Nintendo will still not be able to get out enough software on-time.

If the rev at $100 is a ripoff, then WTF is the 360 wireless adapter at $100?

The gamecube price has really spoiled people. I don't think this will launch at $100. Not with 512mb of flash, 1gig cpu, gpu, built in wireless and a high tech controller.

Maybe $150 with a game bundled.

 

[Wollan]

So the post with the drawing and the specs were the specs Matt was talking about?

Spoiler

Really?

 

[Monk]

...

you can clearly see 3x the polygons?

Yes. I may be blind when it comes to tectures but i can see polygons like they are huge or something.

 

[Mooreberg]

Is this extra processing power going to result in games that are genuinely not possible on Gamecube? Does the controller require the extra power (serious question because people have said PS3 will be able to do a lot more with eyetoy thanks to Cell). If they can deliver something impressive that couldn't be done on Gamecube and sell it at a low price, they could move a lot of systems. But right now it seems they like they should have just released some type of accessory for Gamecube to replace the standard controller. The low amount of RAM will save Mark Rein some trouble in wondering whether or not the system will run UE3.

 

[Foil]

I still see no specs.

Who's joke account are you? :lol

 

[Letter to Elise]

If the rev at $100 is a ripoff, then WTF is the 360 wireless adapter at $100 then?

Another ripoff. =)

~l2e

 

[ParkPace]

So, assume Nintendo put $$$ into having these specs developed. I'd rather they have taken $$$ from Microsoft or Sony to be an exclusive third-party and then paid $59.99 for Mario 360/Mario PS3 and then an extra $30-40 for the new controller. Why can't we have BOTH the new controller and next-gen visuals? Seriously, Nintendo. Hell, your "back catalog" would probably work over Xbox Live if you wanted to focus on it so bad.

Oh well. Anything more than $100 and I'm not paying. That's that.

 

[soundwave05]

The GameCube got its highest sales at $99.

But this is a different beast.

To me this is more like those retro Atari "game in controller" sets that people are picking up.

Except in this case the system can also pump out Half-Life 2 visuals (which ain't bad).

I think Nintendo is eventually aiming to make Revolution that easy to buy. Something so cheap that you can pick it up on a whim.

 

[Ristamar]

ah well. I'd buy one for $100 if it has a few decent games. I'd never pay $200+ for that. They really backed away technologically.

If the speculation about a $99 to $149 price tag is to be believed, I'd rather see them beef up the system a bit more and sell it for $200. It would still be 33%-50% cheaper than the 360 systems.

 

[Oblivion]

Pricing this at $99 would be a mistake imo. It would almost be like you're admitting that it's underpowered plus the $99 price point for the gamecube didn't help it much.

I agree. It would be dumb to put it that cheap. Milk your fanbase from the beginning and present price drops accordingly .

 

[Reilly]

I'll get one if it's $150 or less.

 

[Insertia]

I'll like a $150 launch pricepoint if they include Mario128(or whatever the new mario is going to be call) pack in with the console like in the NES days.

I'd buy that on day one.

 

[bobafett]

great move by Nintendo. $150 or less launch price ftw.

IAWTP. Nintendo is smarter than you realize.

 

[Scottlarock]

If the speculation about a $99 to $149 price tag is to believed, I'd rather see them beef up the system a bit more and sell it for $200. It would still be 33%-50% cheaper than the 360 systems.

not when its released! at that time the 360 core will be $249

 

[soundwave05]

I agree. It would be dumb to put it that cheap. Milk your fanbase from the beginning and present price drops accordingly .

Nintendo wants non-gamers though.

For that crowd even $200 is too much.

You really got to throw out all your old preconceptions with Revolution ... none of the old rules really apply here.

This is a completely different kind of game machine. p

 

[ypo]

Damn and I thought it's impossible to fall below Xbots' lowered next-gen expections but here we are the today, witnesses to an astounding event.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Pricing this at $99 would be a mistake imo. It would almost be like you're admitting that it's underpowered plus the $99 price point for the gamecube didn't help it much.

It's going to be far too late for that, this isn't the GC. There's not going to be a percetption that it's underpowered, it IS going to be. What they need to do is embrace that and basically tell the consumer "Look, we know the system isn't as powerful as the others, but we've got this new controller, it's small and MUCH cheaper". Blindly hoping people won't notice it's not weaker just won't work.

The GC didn't launch at that price you know. And the competing systems were much closer in price back then anyway than they likely will be now. If the Revolution can launch hundreds of dollars cheaper than its competitors, it could make all the difference. If it was just like $100 (edit: $100 CHEAPER, not the main price)...I'm not sure if that would be enough. It'd still be an expensive system.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

It would almost be like you're admitting that it's underpowered

dude...who are they going to fake out? blind gamers?

 

[Mooreberg]

Why can't we have BOTH the new controller and next-gen visuals?

This is what I've been wondering. Obviously whatever method their controller employs is going to be patented but even they have to realize how easy it would be for the other companies to make something similar (although Sony seems happy with eyetoy and the XBL integration is enough to set Xbox 360 apart).

It'll be interesting to see how third parties react to this. They're not really going to have three systems to defray development costs on anymore.

 

[Version 3.0]

Sigh...such a letdown (if it's true). Nintendo sure makes it hard to be a fan sometimes. I'm only mildly impressed with X360 games' graphics, this is just...no.

Fuck this, I'm going to play Call of Duty 2 and weep that I'll never play a game that looks this good (and it doesn't even look that great) with the Rev's supposedly slick FPS "wand" control.

 

[dynamitejim]

Essentially... except it looks twice as good.

And you're paying $100 or $150 for built in wi-fi, 512megs of flash Ram, and true backwards compatability all the way back to the NES.

Baloney. It'll be more like RE4 at 60fps or twice the detail. Compromises, fuck yeah! As for built in wifi, I doubt it costs that much considering it's in PSP, DS, and PS3. X360 is the odd man out on that one for reasons I can't understand. I'd rather buy my own flash memory as built in stuff has the potential to fail and screw me over. And it is only backwards compatible with GC. I doubt I'll be able to just plug my NES, SNES, and N64 cartridges into it. I'll just end up paying for games I already own again.

 

[Ark-AMN]

I'm an artist so I'm dissapointed. I'd want more leeway to create things that are high-poly and very detailed texture-wise, not to mention using all the nice tricks (bump-mapping, normal-mapping, etc.) that are available these days.

Sounds to me like this new machine won't be capable of much. Definately won't be able to handle UE3 thats for sure. I see now why Denis Dyack left Nintendo. He wants to make large, epic games with lots of detail, and clearly he couldn't do that with this system.

 

[elostyle]

This is what I've been wondering. Obviously whatever method their controller employs is going to be patented but even they have to realize how easy it would be for the other companies to make something similar (although Sony seems happy with eyetoy and the XBL integration is enough to set Xbox 360 apart).

It'll be interesting to see how third parties react to this. They're not really going to have three systems to defray development costs on anymore.

This controller is probably not cheap to make.

 

[Y2Kev]

oooh....I forgot. It would be able to do HL2 like applications. That's plenty good.

 

[Ristamar]

not when its released! at that time the 360 core will be $249

Yes, compared to the 360 launch price (and speculative PS3 prices). I'm not sure the 'tard pack will be $249 next fall, but it's certainly possible. Regardless, sorry, I should have been more specific.

 

[Diffense]

I don't know if the people who were saying rev would be the most powerful are the SAME ones who are saying they are fine with it's capabilities as it is.

At first I thought rev would be in the same ballpark as the 360 but with Kaplan's and Miyamoto's comments it was becoming increasingly obvious Nintendo was going a different route. I don't think it's a matter of them being unable to make a more powerful console. Rather, this approach is part of their strategy.

 

[ParkPace]

Sounds to me like this new machine won't be capable of much. Definately won't be able to handle UE3 thats for sure. I see now why Denis Dyack left Nintendo. He wants to make large, epic games with lots of detail, and clearly he couldn't do that with this system.

The 360 is getting the next Wolfenstein game. I wonder if the Revolution can even handle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, a game that came out two and a half years ago.

 

[Error]

This is what I've been wondering. Obviously whatever method their controller employs is going to be patented but even they have to realize how easy it would be for the other companies to make something similar (although Sony seems happy with eyetoy and the XBL integration is enough to set Xbox 360 apart).

It'll be interesting to see how third parties react to this. They're not really going to have three systems to defray development costs on anymore.

that's because producing PS3 or 360 types graphics while maintaining a $150 pricepoint is fucking near impossible.

 

[MadOdorMachine]

They looked much better. Really. Side by side the difference was actually quite impressive (even more so now that we know just how weak the Revolution will be), though at the time when it was shown I thought it basically looked the same.

Look at the neck/breast section along with the tubes coming out of the helmet. There is very little improvement in the textures. There are very little jaggies in MP3 though

MP3

MP2

 

[Mrbob]

Considering the tech, I believe Rev will be REALLY cheap. Like $99-$129 cheap ($150 feels like too much for what it is). That's the perfect way for Nintendo to compete with PS3 and Xbox360 (the only way as far as I'm concerned).

Nintendo could really recover a lot of marketshare from Mircosoft if they go that route.

Next generation is a two console battle now. Revolution shouldn't even be recognized as a next generation console.

Revolution is officially the alternative console which should have minimal impact on Xbox 360/PS3 sales.

 

[Oblivion]

Wait, so minus the thousands of onscreen characters, will the Rev with these specs be able to do something like Kameo? Please say yes

 

[jman2050]

Next generation is a two console battle now.

Revolution is officially the alternative console which should have minimal impact on Xbox 360/PS3 sales.

Mrbob guarantees Rev's success!

 

[Insertia]

Pricing this at $99 would be a mistake imo. It would almost be like you're admitting that it's underpowered plus the $99 price point for the gamecube didn't help it much.

I hate that bullshit ideology. A lower price point would do nothing but help Rev.
Especially considering the competition is priced at $300-$400

$99 didn't help GC because it has the worst games output among the three systems.

 

[Ponn]

You know, you can claim Ms and Sony fans would jump ship, but I don't think that's true. They certainly would if it was simply another console with those specs, of course they would. I suspect most Nintendo fans would too if that was the case. But if Sony or MS were touting the same philosophy, had the controller, going for a low price point...I don't see any reason why lots of people wouldn't still be interested. Regardless of the maufacturor.

Actually I would jump ship and i'm so happy to be not that caught up with a company or being a fanboy to make that distinction. That's just one of the things that urk's me about N-fans, no matter how much the company they love jerks them around and plays on milking them they take it all in stride. I really don't see how one can be proud of that. If sony made a Power Glove wand the centerpiece of the PS3 and made sure it was only twice as powerful as the PS2, well let's just say the question of getting a Xbox 360 or PS3 would be a no brainer for me. Regardless of where Square-Enix was going, though I doubt they would be exclusive to PS3.

 

[TheDuce22]

When Nintendo revealed the controller it should have been obvious they werent trying to compete with MS and Sony. This shouldnt be surprising.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm an artist so I'm dissapointed. I'd want more leeway to create things that are high-poly and very detailed texture-wise, not to mention using all the nice tricks (bump-mapping, normal-mapping, etc.) that are available these days.

Sounds to me like this new machine won't be capable of much. Definately won't be able to handle UE3 thats for sure. I see now why Denis Dyack left Nintendo. He wants to make large, epic games with lots of detail, and clearly he couldn't do that with this system.

Xbox had bump mapping and normal mapping im the rev will have them too.

 

[Grug]

Actually I would jump ship and i'm so happy to be not that caught up with a company or being a fanboy to make that distinction. That's just one of the things that urk's me about N-fans, no matter how much the company they love jerks them around and plays on milking them they take it all in stride. I really don't see how one can be proud of that. If sony made a Power Glove wand the centerpiece of the PS3 and made sure it was only twice as powerful as the PS2, well let's just say the question of getting a Xbox 360 or PS3 would be a no brainer for me. Regardless of where Square-Enix was going, though I doubt they would be exclusive to PS3.

Some people might consider Sony charging $400+ for a console as "jerking their fanbase around".

 

[Mooreberg]

that's because producing PS3 or 360 types graphics while maintaining a $150 pricepoint is fucking near impossible.

Uh... I'm saying they could easily create some type of mimic of the revolution control method and still have their high specs if they want to go that route. I'm not talking about the price on those two systems, and I don't think it has been much of a liability if you look at how much people are willing to spend on Ebay.