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The Last-Stop-Speak-In-Hyperbole Official Revolution Specs Thread

ParkPace said:
The 360 is getting the next Wolfenstein game. I wonder if the Revolution can even handle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, a game that came out two and a half years ago.

I'm starting to wonder now if it will even be able to handle HL2 at a decent graphical level. I had hoped that the chips IBM and ATI were making would be good enough to offset the memory, but that doesn't appear to be the case either.

I want a one console future now. I hate having to buy three systems, especially considering how expensive they are in order to play the games.

Thinking about it, if it cant handle UE3, it may not be able to handle Source either, or any other engine that has come out like FEAR's Jupiter engine used in Condemed for X360. Devs are not going to be happy if they have to build their own engine's for games especially considering how much game development is.
 
ParkPace said:
So, assume Nintendo put $$$ into having these specs developed. I'd rather they have taken $$$ from Microsoft or Sony to be an exclusive third-party and then paid $59.99 for Mario 360/Mario PS3 and then an extra $30-40 for the new controller. Why can't we have BOTH the new controller and next-gen visuals? Seriously, Nintendo. Hell, your "back catalog" would probably work over Xbox Live if you wanted to focus on it so bad.

Oh well. Anything more than $100 and I'm not paying. That's that.

Right. Reggie always says Nintendo is an and company. Well give me the new controller and next gen visuals. It is annoying Nintendo can't do both. Or chooses not too.
 
Mooreberg said:
Uh... I'm saying they could easily create some type of mimic of the revolution control method and still have their high specs if they want to go that route. I'm not talking about the price on those two systems, and I don't think it has been much of a liability if you look at how much people are willing to spend on Ebay.


It's kind of a catch 22 though ... what's the point of having a different controller if non-gamers feel your machine is too expensive?

Then you're just back to the same problem the GameCube was in ...
 
Grug said:
Some people might consider Sony charging $400+ for a console as "jerking their fanbase around".

How, if their taking a loss and giving cutting edge tech that is worth more than 400 dollars?
 
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Mrbob said:
Next generation is a two console battle now. Revolution shouldn't even be recognized as a next generation console.

Revolution is officially the alternative console which should have minimal impact on Xbox 360/PS3 sales.

I dont think that Nintendo were even trying to compete with the two. But this news clearly puts iwata on the spot how he says that the graphics will be comparable and we will say wow.
 
Mrbob said:
Right. Reggie always says Nintendo is an and company. Well give me the new controller and next gen visuals. It is annoying Nintendo can't do both. Or chooses not too.

They are an AND company.

They are giving people a new way to play games AND they are making it highly affordable.
 
It is definitely an alternative console.

There's nothing neccessarily wrong with that.

I think if the system is really cheap it will get a bigger userbase than GameCube.
 
Everyone keeps talking about Rev launching at $100. Isn't that a little unrealistic? Does any one have a rough estimate on what it would actually cost to manufacture it? GC is sold at a loss right now for $100 too right? If so, I don't see Rev launching at the $100 price point.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I'm starting to wonder now if it will even be able to handle HL2 at a decent graphical level. I had hoped that the chips IBM and ATI were making would be good enough to offset the memory, but that doesn't appear to be the case either.

I want a one console future now. I hate having to buy three systems, especially considering how expensive they are in order to play the games.

Thinking about it, if it cant handle UE3, it may not be able to handle Source either, or any other engine that has come out like FEAR's Jupiter engine used in Condemed for X360. Devs are not going to be happy if they have to build their own engine's for games especially considering how much game development is.
You do realize that it just came out on xbox?

Some people might consider Sony charging $400+ for a console as "jerking their fanbase around".
Or 100$ for a wireless adapter.
 
soundwave05 said:
It's kind of a catch 22 though ... what's the point of having a different controller if non-gamers feel your machine is too expensive?

Are non-gamers going to buy enough games every year for third party publishers to make it feel like it is worth the effort? I'm not even sure where this perceived crisis came from. There's been over 150 million units of console hardware sold these last two generations (or slightly less this gen if you scratch off Dreamcast). If you can't find an audience there you're doing something wrong.
 
GitarooMan said:
How, if their taking a loss and giving cutting edge tech that is worth more than 400 dollars?

How if Nintendo are providing a new way of gaming, and making it very affordable, are Nintendo jerking their audience around?

Do you people like games or do you like big fucking pieces of silicon?
 
First thoughts:

- Oh fuck. Ooooooh fuck.
- There are going to be cellphones more powerful not long after launch.
- Two player war finally.
- If this gamble doesn't pay off, 3rd party it is!
- Where did those ATI monies go?
- Famicom won because Yamauchi gambled high tech + low price. Not low + low.
- What have they been doing if this thing is still not complete?
- NintendoOn. Please. Believe. There must be more.
- Electronic boardgame / toy.
 
Mooreberg said:
Are non-gamers going to buy enough games every year for third party publishers to make it feel like it is worth the effort? I'm not even sure where this perceived crisis came from. There's been over 150 million units of console hardware sold these last two generations (or slightly less this gen if you scratch of Dreamcast). If you can't find an audience there you're doing something wrong.


Are they?

Who knows.

That's what I find interesting, that someone is going to at least try.
 
I was initially very disappointed when I read this, but the more I think about it the more optimistic I become. I'll refrain from posting the same cliche pros/cons, but...in a way, I'm more excited knowing this than I was before.

If successful, Nintendo's strategy really caters to those multi-console owners that are tired of samey releases across all platforms. No other way to say it... X360+PS3+Rev=FTW. I'm gonna love this next generation so much more than the current one. :)
 
Ponn01 said:
Actually I would jump ship and i'm so happy to be not that caught up with a company or being a fanboy to make that distinction. That's just one of the things that urk's me about N-fans, no matter how much the company they love jerks them around and plays on milking them they take it all in stride. I really don't see how one can be proud of that. If sony made a Power Glove wand the centerpiece of the PS3 and made sure it was only twice as powerful as the PS2, well let's just say the question of getting a Xbox 360 or PS3 would be a no brainer for me. Regardless of where Square-Enix was going, though I doubt they would be exclusive to PS3.

This things shouldn't bother you.

I'm not personally offended by Nintendo's decisions.
They're not out to get me.

I like their games and as long as they're making them I'll be there.
I'm not among the group that get off by imagining what specs (that they might not even understand) should be able to accomplish.

I can't even fake any anger at this information.
 
Monk said:
I dont think that Nintendo were even trying to compete with the two. But this news clearly puts iwata on the spot how he says that the graphics will be comparable and we will say wow.

Uh, don't take everything PR people say at face value?
 
UltraMarioMan said:
I still see no specs.


They are not really specs as they are tidbits on the hardware:

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/673/673799p1.html

More Revolution Specs Uncovered
Developers come forward to reveal new performance details on Nintendo's next-generation console.
by Matt Casamassina

December 6, 2005 - Just yesterday IGN Revolution launched with technical details on Nintendo's next-generation console, codenamed Revolution. And today more development sources have come forward with both clarification and even more tech specs. The latest news begins to paint a clearer picture of Nintendo's aim with its next platform.

We cannot stress this enough: Revolution is not being positioned as a competitor to either Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3. Nintendo has instead chosen to design a console that will be very affordable for consumers. For that very reason, say developers in the know, the Big N has opted out of filling the system with a massive supply of expensive RAM.

In yesterday's article, we wrote that Revolution would include 128MBs of RAM, or possibly less. Developers have clarified the makeup based on officially released Nintendo documentation. Revolution will build on GameCube's configuration of 24MBs 1T-SRAM and 16MBs D-RAM (40MBs) by adding an addition 64MBs of 1T-SRAM. The result is a supply of memory in Revolution that totals 104MBs. That number does not consider either the 512MBs of allegedly accessible (but hardly ideal) Flash RAM or the Hollywood GPU's on-board memory, said to be 3MBs by sources.

Revolution's Broadway CPU, developed by IBM, is an extension of the Gekko CPU in GameCube, according to official Nintendo documentation passed to us by software houses. The Hollywood GPU, meanwhile, is believed to be an extension of the Flipper GPU in GameCube. Since developers have not gone hands-on with the GPU, they can only go on Nintendo documentation, which is limited.

Exact clock rates were not disclosed, but one development source we spoke to had this to say of the Revolution CPU and GPU: "Basically, take a GameCube, double the clock rate of the CPU and GPU and you're done."

We presented that description to another informed studio, which clarified that the clock rates may even fall short of doubling those on GameCube.

"The CPU is the same as Gekko with one and a half to two times the performance and improved caching," said a source. "Our guys experimented with it and think they'll be able to get about twice the performance as GameCube."

"It's a gamble for the Big N," said another source. "It's not about horsepower for them -- it's about innovation and gameplay."

We've also been able to unearth firm details on the storage capacity for Revolution discs. Recent rumors suggesting that the discs can hold 12GBs of data are false. In fact, Revolution discs can store 4.7GBs of data on a single layer or 8.5GBs when double-layered on a single-side. This is a massive jump from the 1.5GB capacity of GameCube discs and more than enough storage capacity for any non-high-definition game.

Readers discouraged by Revolution's seeming lack of horsepower when compared to Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 should remember that Nintendo is not interested in competing in the high-definition gaming arena, and as a standard-definition console, Revolution is more than capable. Capcom's Resident Evil 4 remains one of the most gorgeous games this generation and it ran on GameCube, a console at least half as powerful according to developer reports.

Software houses we spoke with also waxed on the immediate advantage to Nintendo's approach with Revolution, which is, of course, system price. Every developer was in agreement that Revolution should launch with a price tag of $149 or lower. Some speculated that based on the tech, a $99 price point would not be out of the question.

Stay tuned for more as it develops.


There is at least one thing the Revolution has over X360......Rev DVDs can be bigger (8.5GB vs. 7GB) :)
 
elostyle said:
You do realize that it just came out on xbox?
I said "decent graphical level". :D

Like what I got with my PC when I played that game a whole year ago (emphasis for already how "dated" the tech is)
 
The real question here is - will it be possible for PS3 or even X360 to emulate Revolution?

We shall see... :)
 
I really wonder how some of you Nbots define "twice" the visuals.

For example, the Xbox had a 733MHz cpu, the 360 has a triple core cpu with each core running at 3.2GHz. Now, would you consider Gears of War looking "four times better" than Halo 2? I wouldn't say so but maybe that's me.

When speaking of "Resident Evil 4 graphics x2" I think some of you are expecting way too much. It will look marginally better, like the MP2-MP3 screens posted earlier.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I'm starting to wonder now if it will even be able to handle HL2 at a decent graphical level. I had hoped that the chips IBM and ATI were making would be good enough to offset the memory, but that doesn't appear to be the case either.

I want a one console future now. I hate having to buy three systems, especially considering how expensive they are in order to play the games.

Thinking about it, if it cant handle UE3, it may not be able to handle Source either, or any other engine that has come out like FEAR's Jupiter engine used in Condemed for X360. Devs are not going to be happy if they have to build their own engine's for games especially considering how much game development is.

Revolution is more powerful than Xbox and has more RAM. WHy couldnt it run HL2 which is already on Xbox?
 
Double the clock rate doesn't mean double the performance, it should mean more, unless it's the same old design. No sure what they mean by extension.
 
Grug said:
How if Nintendo are providing a new way of gaming, and making it very affordable, are Nintendo jerking their audience around?

Do you people like games or do you like big fucking pieces of silicon?

Because they are clearly making a product that is not intended for their current audience but for non-gamers. Obviously many former Nintendo fans have been alienated. This console is created for Japan primarily with the West as an afterthought.

And don't give me this if you don't support everything Nintendo does you don't like games shit. OMG I like technology and games, I must hate gaming!! So if I don't bend over for everything Nintendo does I don't like games?
 
Izzy said:
The real question here is - will it be possible for PS3 or even X360 to emulate Revolution?

We shall see... :)
That's about as good of an idea as emulating the DS on the PSP.

Because they are clearly making a product that is not intended for their current audience but for non-gamers. Obviously many former Nintendo fans have been alienated. This console is created for Japan primarily with the West as an afterthought.

And don't give me this if you don't support everything Nintendo does you don't like games shit. OMG I like technology and games, I must hate gaming!! So if I don't bend over for everything Nintendo does I don't like games?
Exactly how is this not intended for their current audience? I don't understand this thought.
 
Look at the neck/breast section along with the tubes coming out of the helmet. There is very little improvement in the textures. There are very little jaggies in MP3 though

The tubes look much better. It's basically just a flat roll with a texture painted on it in MP2. In MP3 you can see it indenting in and out.

Look at the helmet. The lines on the MP2 Samus are basically just drawn on. In MP3 you can see them indenting slightly. Again, on the red part of the suit (the red part that's not th helmet), you can see how it appears to be bumpmapped rather than just flat and drawn on. How about that wear around the ridges? The red has faded. And the whole thing is a lot sharper.

You know, I kind of resent this whole "You must be a blind Nintendo fan who likes getting jerked around and being bent over to like the Revolution" feeling. If anything, it's the blind Nintendo fans who are most pissed off because they didn't pay attention to the comments from Nintendo people and EGM rumours and hell even forumers telling them no way could it be small AND cheap AND powerful. Their blind faith has got them fucked, those of us who actually took the information in and were expecting something like this are so not shocked.

Is MrBob a blind Nintendo fan? Is he fuck. How about bish? First I've heard of it. I think the majority of this forum will buy at least two consoles over a generation. A good number will buy all of them. A cheap, decent system with a new control scheme is extremely enticing for many people, especially when the great graphics fix will be more than satisfied with the 360/PS3/PC.
 
Will this be the first console to be forwards compatible?

Now I understand Reggie's mockery about Microsoft wanting this generation to be over already. Nintendo doesn't, it enjoyed it so much it has another go.
 
Jeez, I knew Rev was going to be an alternative console and not as powerful and all that, but...fuck. That's really underpowered.

Oh, and I'm calling out UltraMarioMan as a joke character right now.
 
Seriously, what developer is going to make games for this machine?

We are looking at essentially a 4 system market right now.

The 360/PS3 is pretty much the same thing developer wise as 360 will be the starting platform and games will be ported ACROSS to it.

The PS2 is still viable for another few years as publishers realized with PS1 that they cut it too short too quick so games will continue to be relased for it.

Next you have the darling of the industry, the PSP which requires its own art assets and dev team.

Them at the bottom of the tech ladder you have the DS which also requires its own art assets and dev team.

It is pretty well bullshit that a publisher is going to look at the niche that is going to be the Rev and want to put anything on it. Even twice the power is a financial investment to build an original game and it is a big investment to downport a 360 game or up port a PS2 game for it.
 
Oblivion said:
Wait, so minus the thousands of onscreen characters, will the Rev with these specs be able to do something like Kameo? Please say yes :(

I heard Rare moved to Xbox because they didn't want to make you say WOW, they wanted to make you say HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
 
GitarooMan said:
How, if their taking a loss and giving cutting edge tech that is worth more than 400 dollars?

Don't assume everybody is the same. Thats the first thing. Thats probably the core problem with people assuming we want 3 variations of PlayStation to begin with...

I've always been a supporter of the fairplaycampaign.co.uk, so don't assume this is purely a pro-nintendo rant (which I won't deny it partly is)...

that price? Thats as costly as car insurance (or worse depending on the car & driver, age, experience etc). Before any games it might be half of someones monthly wage. Potentially its 4x the cost of a DVD player, 1-2x the cost of the new Nintendo console (and whatever interests said person about it), and given it.. the hobby just aint cheap any more.

I'm gonna get one. Lord knows MGS3 redeemed that series for me. Lord knows that Sony first party has come on leaps and bounds. Lord knows that it'll be worth it in the long run. I kick ass (and spend money) for the Lord!! Amen to that.

But I'll be damned if cheap Nintendo gaming, significantly better looking than Gamecube, with an incredible new form of 3d control, and the entire backlog of Nintendo sytsem games in one box doesn't interest me. Especially if its cheap.

As has been said -- the Nintendo fans were going to buy it anyway. But if the guesstimate prices are right? It'll do more than that. Surely.
 
85 percent of the people trashing the Revolution in this thread will own one by March 2007.

And thats a fucking fact.

With that, I am going to bed.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Uh, don't take everything PR people say at face value?

He isn't just pr. He is the president of Nintendo. Some level of honesty is required for the job. With yamauchi it was just funny because he is ignorant(ie the gba is as powerful as the dc"), but with iwata a former developer this is just shameful.
 
Grug said:
How if Nintendo are providing a new way of gaming, and making it very affordable, are Nintendo jerking their audience around?

Do you people like games or do you like big fucking pieces of silicon?

Depends on your view of "providing a new way of gaming". As I have said countless times. i'm not at all excited about having a console built around a "power glove" concept. People on these boards have accepted the damn thing as the next messiah without even touching one. At this point it is so hyped up in Nintendo fans minds that even if a sane gamer picked one up and said "Nope sir, I don't like it" the Nintendo fan will be frothing and calling them a non-gamer. You can quote me on that one, come next year I guarantee that will happen. Am I jaded against it? Yea, you don't even need to say it, but that's because i'm saying that with prior experience with the concept and gaming, twice in two different generations.

Now, let's flip this around a minute so you can actually see a clearer picture. If Sony did the exact same that Revolution is doing, do you honestly think they would still have a chance to be the leading console next gen? Or would you picture the 360 taking the lead? Now if they lose marketshare then wouldn't that then be because they were NOT meeting the demands and wants of the consumers?
 
Mrbob said:
Right. Reggie always says Nintendo is an and company. Well give me the new controller and next gen visuals. It is annoying Nintendo can't do both. Or chooses not too.

I agree with this. All in all, I have a feeling I'm going to say wow, but in the sense that the games don't look next gen.

So far I have been underwhelmed by the specs and the controller has taken some time to sink in although I believe that after the initial appeal, the novelty will wear off, so right now I have no reason to believe that I will not be underwhelmed when I see some games for it. I'll still get one but I'm worried about how long of a life the console will have.

But all in all, so far the Xbox360 is very underwhelming to me too and it doesn't look like too much of a leap past this gen, so I still believe the Rev's graphics maybe able to reach and match X360 quality. Only the PS3 really looks next gen and that's only if it delivers the same visuals as the tech demos.
 
elostyle said:
That's about as good of an idea as emulating the DS on the PSP.

Not quite - it's much harder to emulate DS' touch screen and the rest - it would be much easier in the Revo/PS3 case; just use some dodgy adapter to plug in Revo controller. :)
 
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