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[ParkPace]

Can we speculate without fear of banning?

I suspect this is Nintendo's way of weening their fanbase into buying competitors consoles. "Why would they do that?!" you say? It's simple, they're going 3rd party. This'll be their last console.

All hail the Xbox 360 and the PS3. The true consoles of the next generation.

Wouldn't an easier way to ween a fanbase into buying a competitor's console be to put Mario and Zelda on it right away?

 

[ghostlyjoe]

Can we speculate without fear of banning?

I suspect this is Nintendo's way of weening their fanbase into buying competitors consoles. "Why would they do that?!" you say? It's simple, they're going 3rd party. This'll be their last console.

All hail the Xbox 360 and the PS3. The true consoles of the next generation.

Clearly, your personal specs fall well short of the Revolution's.

 

[AirBrian]

There's a site for it there now.

Well that's just swell.

So how was Reno?

 

[soundwave05]

I have just a couple things to add:

Point 1. Many more people regularly play solitaire on their home computers than play any and all consoles combined. If Nintendo can hook those people with a cheap, simple console, they've won. End of story.

Point 2. Simple computer games are immensely popular, but they are clearly differentiated from "console games," which are like big-budget movies by comparison. If Nintendo can bridge that gap, they'll do quite well.

Point 3. With the Revmote, Nintendo has something that no one else has. If it catches fire in the mainstream (a possibility. Mainstream journalists will try it out at E3, and if they like it, it will at least get positive press), Nintendo will do extremely well.

Point 4. Points 1, 2 and 3 are bullshit. It's pretty obvious Nintendo is going to make money off the Rev and continue making Mario, Zelda and Metroid games. All that matters is if the damn thing is fun to play with. If it's cheap and fun, then people will buy it and like it. Despite what many of you may believe, life is not one giant compeition. I don't give a flying fuck who is No. 1. I just like to play games, and I like to spend as little as possible doing it.

Post of the thread.

 

[The End]

Again, Nintendo just needs to knock it the fuck out of the park at E3 next year.

 

[PhoenixDark]

The Revolution's troubles could really set in around 2008-9 when it looks very outdated compared to what we'll be seeing on the PS3/Xbox 360 by then. I have always felt the lack of HD would hurt Nintendo by that time, and it looks like graphics could have a similar effect. From a point of mindshare and consumer opinions, this could be very bad in the future. We'll see though.

With respect to the DS, the PSP isn't going to magically stomp the DS next year. That's crazy. Consider the massive amount of amazing DS games we already know come out next year. Zelda DS, Children of Mana, FF3, FF:CC, new Tales game, Wario, Metroid Hunters, Super Mario Bros., Castlevania, etc etc etc. And, that doesn't even include Pokemon Diamond/Pearl. We all know what Pokemon games do on handhelds, and I am more than willing to bet more and more of the GBA crowd is going to switch to the DS (and not the PSP) for that game alone.

E3 2006 isn't even here and we already know about those AAA games. I'm sorry, but if this handheld battle is won by quality software next year (and not fancy tech), Nintendo wins handsdown.

 

[borghe]

you may have seen me from other threads such as "Nintendo will be able to push out the same scene as 480p" and "You really think Nintendo isn't going to be comparable to PS3 and X360 at 480p?"

umm.. wow.. another wow just for good measure.

by no means will we be playing pong, as some have said.. but really... this is probably the most far out stance Nintendo has EVER taken, and that INCLUDES VirtualBoy and the DS....

I still believe it is all about the games.. but really, unless I'm missing something there will be a PRETTY noticeable visual difference between Rev and the others... they better have revcon down to a freaking science because their games on a visual level won't compare anywhere close to the other two.

 

[Gahiggidy]

I can't wait to get the final specs so we can "spec-out" its price/cost.

Problem is alot of the extras add up. WiFi, DVD drive, Flash storage, RevMote, etc.

All that crap has got to add up to at least $50... so then you have the actual chips...?

$99 may be a pipe dream with all the extra crap consoles have these days.

 

[soundwave05]

I don't think this is as crazy as the Virtual Boy.

That was *really* out there. I don't even know if Virtual Boy (VR system) would be entirely feasible with today's technology.

Revolution is basically the console equivalent to the DS, but instead of PSOne graphics, you're getting XBox+ type graphics.

 

[Izzy]

Well at least in the only country that matters (USA)

No, I just checked - it's still available.

 

[puck1337]

You want to strip GameCube 1.01 bare.

It is what it is. Revolution has 88 MB of system RAM, just as the GCN had 24 MB. That 16 MB is simply not general purpose, and it never was.

And I will still buy one at launch.

 

[ShowDog]

The Revolution's troubles could really set in around 2008-9 when it looks very outdated compared to what we'll be seeing on the PS3/Xbox 360 by then.

That's a good point, by then the gimmick? of the new control interface may have worn off as well. Once all the obvious ideas with the controller have been utilized and the graphics have peaked Revolution may get stale and dull.

 

[Project Midway]

wow, what a monster of a thread. Too bad I was sleeping most of it. :\ Man, Nintenbots just doesnt seem to get a break. :lol

 

[Raistlin]

Of course. People are talking about third party support like it just won't exist, beyond an exclusive per year. It's just not going to be that way. EA support everything. They'd even support the DC if it was here today. They supported the N-Gage. They supported (support?) the fucking Gizmondo!

Ummm ... many people consider the lack of EA support to be one of the major contributors to the DC's demise, and Sega's exit from the console business.

:/

 

[maynerd]

While I'm not impressed with the specs. It really doesn't matter.

If this thing is priced out at $99 it will probably sell 2x more units than Xbox 360 and may even surpass the PS3 when it is all said and done. Most console purchases are made by non-hardcore gamers that will not be able to see such a leap in graphics to justify a price of 4x. Not to mention it will offer unique game play due to it's controller. A HUGE backlog of classic gaming and the ability to play GC games. To me this looks like a winning console for Nintendo. For hardcore gamers they will see it as a weaker console with interesting gameplay games. But Nintendo doesn't care about the hardcore gamer they want the mass audience.

 

[AniHawk]

No, I just checked - it's still available.

It still is, but it's been discontinued. Stores were notified today. Whatever they have will be it.

 

[borghe]

to be fair, there is a pretty serious noticeable difference between DS and PSP as well.. and hell knows I enjoy the DS.. that's kind of what I'm saying by nintendo better have revcon down to a science.. if they can really duplicate the DS on a console and make us say "who cares about graphics?" more power to them. we already have PS3 and X360. but they'll need to LAUNCH rev with titles like the DS has gotten in the last four months of its first year. If they duplicate the DS' first 8 months, against the PS3 and X360, Nintendo as we know it will die.

 

[AniHawk]

So how was Reno?

I lost all my money and got several STDs.

 

[soundwave05]

I think $99 is possible even with the extra stuff.

$150 with a game bundled in though might be what Nintendo goes for.

 

[The End]

You know, what happens if (let's say) sony can ape most of the revmote functionality with the Eyetoy HD?

What then?

 

[Dr. Jade]

Game boy next isn't happening.

I agree it seems way too nuts for Nintendo to be spending billions of bucks to modify the GCN chipsets JUST for Revolution ... BUT correct me if im wrong, but hasnt Nintendo said repeatedly in the past the GCN and its tiny discs we're not exculsive the to GCN hardware ...

Could Nintendo have gone to IBM and ATI and said hey ... I want you guys to make me a an ultra low power version of the flipper and gekko ... one for revolution ... and one for Game Boy Next? .... I mean come on the flipper and gekko are the size of a nail head. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE but designing 2 related chipsets would certainly explain the hike it development costs and Nintendo's oppession w/ small, cheap, low power would it not? The Big N has been known for designing chipsets for future consoles (GBA/ DS) and sit on them for years ...

 

[The Shadow]

Wouldn't an easier way to ween a fanbase into buying a competitor's console be to put Mario and Zelda on it right away?

Well yes actually.

The thing is, Nintendo fans wouldn't make that jump so suddenly. They'd sooner commit suicide than switch so suddenly.

That's why they need to be weened to the other consoles. It's genius really.

For example:

Clearly, your personal specs fall well short of the Revolution's.

Someone like this would sooner play in traffic than buy a competing console. If you slowly take away the Nintendo consoles, like Nintendo has been since the Nintendo 64, you'll see that is the best way to save lives.

First time I've really have had any respect for the big N. Revolution will save lives.

 

[Gahiggidy]

This has got to be a record for the fastest growing thread. THere is like three-four posts a minute!

 

[mj1108]

Game boy next isn't happening. PSP install base will be at least 20 million by the time Game Boy Next launches. With Nintendos anti technology stance they may match PSP hardware prowess by 2009. By then the PSP will have a huge install base no one will care about the Game Boy next. PSP *is* the Game Boy Next. Sony is keeping pace with a portable which is currently at least twice the price or higher. I don't see this huge victory for the DS. PSP will eat into the DS userbase more and more as it drops in price.

I'm not against the Revolution as long as the price is right. I just think it won't have a huge impact on the PS3/X360 market.

Jesus fucking christ. Take off the damn fanboy goggles. You already make yourself sound like an idiotic ass around here, no need to keep adding to the pile. :lol

 

[Oblivion]

I lost all my money and got several STDs.

Haha. Owned.

 

[Izzy]

It still is, but it's been discontinued. Stores were notified today. Whatever they have will be it.

Your chain in particular, or the other ones as well?

 

[Ristamar]

That's a good point, by then the gimmick? of the new control interface may have worn off as well. Once all the obvious ideas with the controller have been utilized and the graphics have peaked Revolution may get stale and dull.

If Revolution launches $149 or less, and it sells as well as Nintendo anticipates, they could probably afford to launch a new, yet similar console in 2009 or 2010. You know, GameCube 2.0 or some such thing.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I lost all my money and got several STDs.

Now you're just being crazy.

 

[AniHawk]

Your chain in particular, or the other ones as well?

Well Gamestop/EB that I know of. It didn't sound like Guitar Hero where only Gamestop has a few left in stock. It simply said discontinued. The Nintendogs DS bundle was discontinued in mid-November too.

I thought the Gigapack would slowly replace the value pack eventually. We only got 10 in ever. It really was a better value, and people were eating it up. We haven't sold a single new value pack PSP since black friday.

 

[JRPereira]

Well, $150 or less? They've sold me if it plays gamecube games as well.

 

[Izzy]

Well Gamestop/EB that I know of. It didn't sound like Guitar Hero where only Gamestop has a few left in stock. It simply said discontinued. The Nintendogs DS bundle was discontinued in mid-November too.

Hmmm, thanks.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Ummm ... many people consider the lack of EA support to be one of the major contributors to the DC's demise, and Sega's exit from the console business.

:/

...

Why do you think I said they'd even support the DC if it was around today? Why would I have said that if they had supported it in the past?

They didn't used to support everything, like the DC. Now they do, and they would if it were around today. This is my point.

 

[MrDaravon]

I have just a couple things to add:

Point 1. Many more people regularly play solitaire on their home computers than play any and all consoles combined. If Nintendo can hook those people with a cheap, simple console, they've won. End of story.

Point 2. Simple computer games are immensely popular, but they are clearly differentiated from "console games," which are like big-budget movies by comparison. If Nintendo can bridge that gap, they'll do quite well.

Point 3. With the Revmote, Nintendo has something that no one else has. If it catches fire in the mainstream (a possibility. Mainstream journalists will try it out at E3, and if they like it, it will at least get positive press), Nintendo will do extremely well.

Point 4. Points 1, 2 and 3 are bullshit. It's pretty obvious Nintendo is going to make money off the Rev and continue making Mario, Zelda and Metroid games. All that matters is if the damn thing is fun to play with. If it's cheap and fun, then people will buy it and like it. Despite what many of you may believe, life is not one giant compeition. I don't give a flying fuck who is No. 1. I just like to play games, and I like to spend as little as possible doing it.

/thread

Seriously, I think this could work really really well for Nintendo. I just think that most of the GAF crowd aren't exactly the demographic Nintendo is going for with this.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Just got back home and would like to say.....holy shit at this thread!!

 

[Gahiggidy]

I think $99 is possible even with the extra stuff.

$150 with a game bundled in though might be what Nintendo goes for.

I don't think its possible without taking a hit on $50 or so in loss-leader costs. Realize, alot of the components in the Revolution will be of the same class as the PS3/360... the sucking dvd-drive... the WiFi... the PSU (ok, maybey not that one).

 

[Warm Machine]

I suppose one could argue that the Gameboy faced a similar battle against Gamegear. But even that would be a stretch.

Yeah, that and the Gameboy was for all intensive purposes discontinued until Pokemon launched and re-invigorated the market. Very few Gameboy games were released between in the intervening years. I read once that Nintendo themselves were going to can the machine until Pokemon came out and saved the market.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Nintendo will have the luxury of pricing it against their competitors. I reckon they'll want at least $150 gap between them and the nearest of the other two, otherwise it's getting too close for people to pick the Revolution on price alone.

So I guess we should hope for a 360 price drop.

 

[Pakkidis]

Its all about how Nintendo/developers make use of the controller. Simple as that.

/thread

 

[citrus lump]

If Revolution launches $149 or less, and it sells as well as Nintendo anticipates, they could probably afford to launch a new, yet similar console in 2009 or 2010. You know, GameCube 2.0 or some such thing.

Diminishing returns = re-releasing the same tech every five years. It makes sense now. :lol

 

[dynamitejim]

I have just a couple things to add:

Point 1. Many more people regularly play solitaire on their home computers than play any and all consoles combined. If Nintendo can hook those people with a cheap, simple console, they've won. End of story.

Yes, but nobody PAYS for those games. You certainly can't support a home console with those types of games. And how is that any different from X360's Live Marketplace? The Live Marketplace actually makes much more sense.

Point 2. Simple computer games are immensely popular, but they are clearly differentiated from "console games," which are like big-budget movies by comparison. If Nintendo can bridge that gap, they'll do quite well.

Uh, isn't the best selling PC game The Sims? It's a fairly complicated game, especially with all the various expansion packs. And it's brought in many "non-gamers".

Point 3. With the Revmote, Nintendo has something that no one else has. If it catches fire in the mainstream (a possibility. Mainstream journalists will try it out at E3, and if they like it, it will at least get positive press), Nintendo will do extremely well.

I'd say the possibilites that exist with a next-gen EyeToy are much more appealing to a non-gamer (and even hardcore gamers) than the Revmote.

Point 4. Points 1, 2 and 3 are bullshit. It's pretty obvious Nintendo is going to make money off the Rev and continue making Mario, Zelda and Metroid games. All that matters is if the damn thing is fun to play with. If it's cheap and fun, then people will buy it and like it. Despite what many of you may believe, life is not one giant compeition. I don't give a flying fuck who is No. 1. I just like to play games, and I like to spend as little as possible doing it.

I don't care about competition either, but this is far beyond not competing. This is like Nintendo telling me they're not interested in my business any more. As if all that fun I had on their previous non-revolutionary consoles was just imagined.

 

[Matix]

For da price, this shit might hella nice. Although if the games are tight, the Rev could be still worth dis hype.. aight (Looky, I can rhyme) !!

 

[Raven.]

While I'm not impressed with the specs. It really doesn't matter.

If this thing is priced out at $99 it will probably sell 2x more units than Xbox 360 and may even surpass the PS3 when it is all said and done. Most console purchases are made by non-hardcore gamers that will not be able to see such a leap in graphics to justify a price of 4x. Not to mention it will offer unique game play due to it's controller. A HUGE backlog of classic gaming and the ability to play GC games. To me this looks like a winning console for Nintendo. For hardcore gamers they will see it as a weaker console with interesting gameplay games. But Nintendo doesn't care about the hardcore gamer they want the mass audience.

Uhmm, like very very doubtful unless using the controller feels like something out of this world(built-in remote-0rg$m functions like that surgeon-don't recall the name- achieved a few yrs back....). GC was way cheaper than ps2/xbx for quite a while, and that took it nowhere, and it was comparable gphx.

I mean do you honestly think say a sports fan is going to buy their sports games on revolution? What about a racing game fan? Or what of GTA fans? Maybe if the controller is uber, but again its doubtful. This is likely to take the hardcore + nintendo loyalists a long with a few casuals like the gc, might exceed it if it manages to catch the eye of non-gamers.

 

[GaimeGuy]

For da price, this shit might hella nice. Although if the games are tight, the Rev could be worth dis hype.. aight (Looky, I can rhyme) !!

...

 

[citrus lump]

For da price, this shit might hella nice. Although if the games are tight, the Rev could be still worth dis hype.. aight (Looky, I can rhyme) !!

what

 

[clearacell]

25th page...nice

 

[dillingerx]

Its all about how Nintendo/developers make use of the controller. Simple as that.

/thread

And 1 look at the DS tells me nintendo won't know what the hell to do with the rev either

 

[jett]

Well...the Rev is certainly much weaker than I thought. PS3 ftw, unless this thing is really, *really* cheap. Really.

 

[AniHawk]

And 1 look at the DS tells me nintendo won't know what the hell to do with the rev either

Yyyyyup.

 

[soundwave05]

PS3 was gonna win anyway.

MS may give them a few headaches in North America, but that's about it.

 

[borghe]

Yes, but nobody PAYS for those games.

are you aware how much bejeweled has made? how many subscribers Pogo has (possibly the most successul "online game" of all time). To say that nobody pays for those types of games is insane.. it is probably a few hundred million dollar business unto itself.

I'd say the possibilites that exist with a next-gen EyeToy are much more appealing to a non-gamer (and even hardcore gamers) than the Revmote.

this is just stupid. I don't see how one is any more or less appealing to casual gamers than the other. they both have their advantages and disadvantages. EyeToy2 has the advantage of being for probably the biggest system. Revmote for a system that will be under $150 and plays tons of retro/casual friendly games.

I don't care about competition either, but this is far beyond not competing. This is like Nintendo telling me they're not interested in my business any more. As if all that fun I had on their previous non-revolutionary consoles was just imagined.

you haven't seen a single title and you are already declaring you don't want the system? GAF at its finest.

Yyyyyup.

if Rev launch = first 8 months of DS' life I agree.
if Rev launch = past 4 months of DS support, then you are dead wrong.