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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild |OT2| It's 98 All Over Again
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Yeah, most players aren't ready after playing the game after 3 hours. But after 40? Sure, I think most players can do the last boss if they try.
And I agree, the last boss is actually a better fight if you fight it earlier rather than later. And the last dungeon is a better dungeon that way, too.
I really like how there are breadcrumb quests into Hyrule Castle, and mention of it at multiple stables. The game openly encourages the player to try sooner than they'd think.
LAST BOSS MECHANIC SPOILER: The real gimmick is that you
have to fight any of the *Blight Ganons that you haven't beaten during a boss rush as part of the fright.
OOT was the least egregious opening, but the entire Young Link portion is meh to me. Twilight Princess only takes 1 dungeon to really get going, to me.
I find it weird people miss enemies like Like Likes, Skulltulas or Deku babas. They were always fodder enemies like Chu Chus or Keese.
When I see them making enemies like Lynels, high-level Lizafos or the big Yiga Clan dudes; that's what I want more of. So essentially - Dark Nuts and new original enemies.
Overall this game isn't missing more enemy variety. It's missing more mini-bosses like Hinox' and Guardians.
When I see them making enemies like Lynels, high-level Lizafos or the big Yiga Clan dudes; that's what I want more of. So essentially - Dark Nuts and new original enemies.
Overall this game isn't missing more enemy variety. It's missing more mini-bosses like Hinox' and Guardians.
Okay, that's better. I revise my criticsm then. Will watch a speedrun of the game now.
brandonh83
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I mean yeah you pointed out the worst boss in the game lol. Skyward had mostly great bosses and farrr beyond anything in this game.
Serenitynow
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My framerate has only ever flat out died in the presence of moblins.
Yeah I like how the bosses have different stages each often requiring a different solution.
Like Fireblight Ganon I couldn't figure out how to get through the shield when he summons the fireball until Daruk hinted the solution. Thunderblight, I've seen people trying to shield parry its whirlwind attack but I just hacked away until its shield broke lol
Flavi knows what's up.
I would be okay with a patch that reduces the moments of rain.
What is this, England?
This is the only 3D Zelda world that nails exploration. Some of the previous entries have the worst overworlds out there imo.
The world in BoTW massive, but it is also intricately designed. It's not big for the sake of being big. In most cases there's something around the corner, and even some neat level design on the map itself.
After enough shrines you pretty much have quick access to nearly ever part of the map anyway.
Edit: my biggest complaint so far are the wack ass boss fights and the lack there of. I haven't fought the last boss yet though.
Man, I thought that shit was very hard without doing any of the main missions and on 3 hearts.
(and fucking blind too where I don't check other people's strats)
I was sat there questioning whether I had the ability to do a few parts of it after a bunch of retries and this has never occurred to me in any of the 3D Zeldas I've played where I mostly mashed until it worked.
Interesting...
you have no hints in the no main missions run, so I was left to my own devices to figure everything out.
lol
No, the squid is actually decent. What's bad is the copy-pasted Scorpio and Imprisoned fights.
victreeb3l
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The truffle sisters are always getting into trouble. I wish I could just give them truffles or weapons to defend themselves lol
The second scorpion was a mini boss. I liked that encounter since it showed how much stronger I got since I first fought him.
The second scorpion was a mini boss. I liked that encounter since it showed how much stronger I got since I first fought him.
5 natural ones but I ate a few meals that gave me like 10 hearts all together and then I drank a defense potion. Hardest battle yet.
Only problem is I forgot to take a picture of the Lynel for that Zora quest but I am assuming that is nothing a bloodmoon can't fix
Yeah these were truly awful. I didn't like Ghirahim's many fights either. And the supposed great boss in the Ancient Cistern was kind of average tbh. The best boss was probably Demise.
Don't forget Koloktos!
I don't remember but it was really lame seeing him a second time anyway because the fight is boring.
I like Ghirahim for a first boss battle. Koloktos was a cool novelty.
RampagingSoul
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Got done with my last divine beast. I'll probably do some side quests, find some shrines and stuff and decide when to go to the castle.
No, and that has nothing to do with this game, which has very specific goals. Like I said, you can complain about the looks, but you sound like a spoiled child when you call their work creatively bankrupt cause there aren't​ different textures for the 120 extra puzzles.
And not every AAA game gets the budget to do something like this with all the physics and interactions, let alone QA.
I didn't mean to insult the devs. "Creatively bankrupt" may have been a little harsh. It's a 10/10 game, possibly my favorite of all time. I do love the dungeons and the shrines, a lot. It's just interesting design because they are all kinda same, and I'm interested in why they went with it when it flies in the face of other Zelda games. Creativity comes from restraints and I just think the Shrines may have been a creative solution to a deadline problem. Other pointed it out that they needed a way to fill out the expansive world and provide fast travel points, and that's very true. Either way I think Shrines were a creative solution to a problem, and just trying to determine what that problem was.
That's not how game design works, especially like Alberto said, they've been working on the shrines for years.
Game design doesn't work with deadlines in mind? Okay...
The scope of the games is huge. Deadlines are going to be a thing you deal with.
The funny thing is, from just the base, I feel like a lot of the shrines are better puzzles than a lot of the puzzles I've experienced in 3D Zelda games.
(and some of the sequence skips I've seen are amazing)
This is even before considering how cool some of the puzzles to even unlock these things are.
(the one in the lightning area was amazing and I had such an AH HA moment when I figured out what I should be doing)
I think people are turned off by the fact that the things have like one aesthetic and the illusion of buildup, but I'm okay with that mainly because I experienced so much variety in that area just making it to one of the shrines.
(and some of the sequence skips I've seen are amazing)
This is even before considering how cool some of the puzzles to even unlock these things are.
(the one in the lightning area was amazing and I had such an AH HA moment when I figured out what I should be doing)
I think people are turned off by the fact that the things have like one aesthetic and the illusion of buildup, but I'm okay with that mainly because I experienced so much variety in that area just making it to one of the shrines.
Completed the
quest chain. Can't believe I bombed all of those trees for
. Really doesn't seem worth it in the end.
Still, was a pretty fun quest chain all things considered. Do I have to do anything else to get the
? Or does it just pop up when
?
Tarrey Town
three diamonds
Still, was a pretty fun quest chain all things considered. Do I have to do anything else to get the
shop that sells replacement unique gear
one of my unique items breaks
Moreover, I do think BotW was a damn good "flipping of the tea table." I think the courage to explore and reinvent is going to reward them and I don't think this was the wrong game for the franchise.
All of that is compatible with thinking, going forward, that the game has a lot to learn from past Zeldas and being interested in how Zelda team could adapt the BotW formula in that direction.
All of that is compatible with thinking, going forward, that the game has a lot to learn from past Zeldas and being interested in how Zelda team could adapt the BotW formula in that direction.
Ah, got it. Then I guess my job there is done.
Finale Fireworker
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I wish the HUD wasn't all-or-nothing. I would love a partial mode that's just the hearts and mini map.
Or at least let me hide the champion powers. There's no reason for them to be on-screen at all.
Or at least let me hide the champion powers. There's no reason for them to be on-screen at all.
Yes, but it's not your science fair project, you just don't say, "oh shit, it's due on a week, here just break these nebulous puzzles we've been toiling on and throw them around the world. We do need fast travel so too birds with one stone!" The shrines have world logic and function about them. Sure they can save time with aesthetics, but if that's what they wanted to begin with, especially with the ingame world logic, then they were probably more focused on making the actual puzzles, and QAing the dozens of ways each can be interacted with. You're suggesting they had some grand plan, maybe even another or a"classic"dungeon, when one of their pointed goals was to get away from that formula. It's why only the castle is a classic style dungeon, as it's the only hold over from the old Hyrule (more in game logic).
You could just disable them when you're not using them; but I agree that they take up too much space by default, even if they wanted to have the cooldowns always visible.
MosquitoSmasher
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Seriously, how fucking many times does it have to rain in this game? Every game has its own things that you dislike and eventually might start to hate and rain might become one. It's insane how often it now rains in this area and especially when I want to climb.....i'm Just fucked. Slipping away from wet rocks for me is a good example of how it doesn't add anything other than annoyance.
I would like it if the weather system had been more like other games. Just rain now and then but not so often.
I would like it if the weather system had been more like other games. Just rain now and then but not so often.
The shrines are so much better. The main difficulty of 3d Zelda dungeons was always aesthetics, what door was that in, did i miss some hallway? That's not fun, it's a little cheap and you don't truly feel rewarded just for remembering that one chest in a room. The shrines lay everything out for you and expect you to figure out out, some even have door keys.
Look for another way up, if it's raining, they have a way for you to get there. Or look for an overhang and pass the time.
CharminUltra
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The Lanayru area is just amazing. I lit a torch to keep myself warm and it just added to the whole atmosphere.
victreeb3l
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Yup. Epic fight too, until I learned the easy way to take them out. I love how cinematic Zelda got without sacrificing gameplay. Narrowly evading a rising Molduga while sand sealing is a thrill.
The music is so damn good. Those violins my God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyhYmGzKLU
Gerudo region stays winning. Music, fights, dungeons, NPCs.
I accidentally went up Mt. Lanayru about 10 hours in and havent been back since. Def gonna keep this in mind.
I took a torch to Gerudo Highlands and I felt like I was in Antarctica.
I think a smart game designer would have a grand plan to create their best game ever, and then whittle away based on the various constraints that are hurled at them during the project. It could be early on in the project they made the decision to go with shrines, or it could be later. It doesn't matter really. Aonuma said himself that he could do better next time, hinting that there were sacrifices that needed to be made. Maybe the shrines were one of them? I'm surprised there isn't even a different colored shrine even. Why not green? Why not yellow? Maybe there is lore behind it? I'm not done with the game yet.
I love the aesthetic of the shrines overall, and "creatively bankrupt" again was rather harsh of me. I do feel it's like Portal where the game design really shines over the art direction, and maybe that's a factor as to why the shrines puzzles stand out as excellent? Metal Gear VR missions were similar. Plain yet very fun.
It sounds weird to spell it out, but unfortunately this game is not infinite. I wish it was! I was lamenting not being able to explore the actual uncrossable map boundary because I love surveying the land so much.
Eventually you will see all there is to see if you want to track it down. I agree that exploring is one of, if not THE best part, of playing this game. But yes, eventually that too will wind down once you've seen it all. There is A LOT to see though.
This is not the kind of game to replay immediately, but I definitely see myself coming back it sometime in the future (of course, we won't know for sure until time has passed but I am pretty confident in saying that).
I'm not sure why you'd want to cut down the size of the world though! That would cause you to arrive at this weird exploratory limbo you're at even sooner. The thrill of exploration is not something that needs to be forced by more story dungeons IMO. As others have said, you can finish the game at the time of your choosing. I've been playing for the better part of 60 hours and am just now doing one of the divine beasts. Others have beaten it with just one, or even none. You can take out what you put into it.
Maybe this is all because I haven't finished the game though. You sound like you're describing the post-game, which personally I would rather hold off on until I feel like I've got what I want out of Hyrule. I've poked around the castle and I might even be able to take on Ganon right now, but I'd rather continue scouring the land. Maybe that's part of it?
He is on the upstairs porch of one of the houses closest to the entrance. he is always there.
If you want to talk about struggle of making a game, please go over Reddit (sub for gamedev) because some of you seems don't understand how coding is difficult compared to have just ideas on paper.
Nintendo have the engine now to make better Zelda and we all know how the port to Switch was not meant to be and made Nintendo suffer.
So let's not put "our science" here when not many have watched, read any gamedesign stuff from at least GDC and testemonies. That's just stupidto talk something out of your league. You can say, X stuff could have been done better or X stuff wasn't to your taste. But any technical stuff should not be talked lightly like "oh I know but never tried to make a game myself" It's like saying you like eating pie and want to improuve the recipe but don't know how to cook and what you need to cook it.
Nintendo have the engine now to make better Zelda and we all know how the port to Switch was not meant to be and made Nintendo suffer.
So let's not put "our science" here when not many have watched, read any gamedesign stuff from at least GDC and testemonies. That's just stupidto talk something out of your league. You can say, X stuff could have been done better or X stuff wasn't to your taste. But any technical stuff should not be talked lightly like "oh I know but never tried to make a game myself" It's like saying you like eating pie and want to improuve the recipe but don't know how to cook and what you need to cook it.
RadarScope1
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He was responding to the idea that the shrines were "rushed" and not disputing that they all look the same.
victreeb3l
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Entering The Maw of Death Mountain on horseback is so cinematic. Gave me chills just like in the trailer.
It's one tribe taking care of the shrines. Colors are so you can know what and if you've completed them from a distance, while balancing with the world's palette. Why is the shrines function a negative? What makes Zelda different than any other rpg? Puzzles, dungeons being giant puzzle boxes. So if they were trying to fulfill any negative it would be, how do we let the player experience "Zelda" at almost anytime they want, while also providing a full scale world? You turn the world into a puzzle box and throw puzzles all around it, even making finding them a part of that. The moving beasts add to this, as you have to find a way to even approach them. Again, you not liking something doesn't mean they somehow fucked up and this isn't what they wanted to do from the start.
MosquitoSmasher
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Sometimes you really are fucked man. I was paragliding to this labyrinth and I ended up on the wall of it, just a short bit to climb was left and then the rain started. Was nothing else to do other than wait for the rain to go away and this didn't happen. So fast travel back to another spot. It sucks when that happens.
That is really interesting and I appreciate the reply, and that's good game design. I think you're confused at where I'm coming from. I love this game and it's design and everything about it. Even the shrines. As I said before, shrines are my favorite part of the game, and the fact that it holds my attention despite looking samey is a testament to how amazing the game actually is.
Stereogatari
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Plop wood down with some flint, start a fire and pass the time.
ArkhamFantasy
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I'm in a shrine fighting a mini guardian and even when i use up all my weapons and arrows he's still not dead, what am i doing wrong?
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