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Raistlin said:
Amazing contribution lol. First off, this is an OT for the new Moto X. So coming in and shitting on it in general is going to be looked down upon by some. But I get it, and I do it sometimes as well. As long as it's a one and done, no harm ... different strokes and all. It's the hyperbole though that's killing me here.

"Garbage" ... really? It's being reviewed as one of the top Android phones in actual use, and the top by some. Hell, Verge has it tied with the iPhone 5S as their topped rank phone overall.

Yet ... it is ... garbage. The reek of hyperbole and spec whoring is strong on you, son.



Never change gaf.
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qft
 
Raistlin said:
Amazing contribution lol. First off, this is an OT for the new Moto X. So coming in and shitting on it in general is going to be looked down upon by some. But I get it, and I do it sometimes as well. As long as it's a one and done, no harm ... different strokes and all. It's the hyperbole though that's killing me here.

"Garbage" ... really? It's being reviewed as one of the top Android phones in actual use, and the top by some. Hell, Verge has it tied with the iPhone 5S as their topped rank phone overall.

Yet ... it is ... garbage. The reek of hyperbole and spec whoring is strong on you, son.



Never change gaf.
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Spec whoring? Nah. Releasing a flagship in Q4 of 2014 with 2300mah battery is something though. Maybe to you it's not garbage, but to me it is. Some of you can bring up project volta and L as much as you want, but I think you're setting your hopes a bit too high. Not to mention all the other flasgships will get it too, and their already good battery life with become great while the moto x subpar battery life may become good.

I only just realized that in posted this in the moto x thread instead of the android thread. Silly me. For that I'm sorry, didn't really intend to shit up this thread, was planning on a small rant in the android OT. You guys have a nice e day.
 
malyce said:
Spec whoring? Nah. Releasing a flagship in Q4 of 2014 with 2300mah battery is something though.
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The point of it is it's being argued by some as a flagship ... but it costs less. Obviously it can't have everything. If it was priced like others, there would be more merit to what you said. Though for me, I'd call it overpriced then, not 'garbage'.

Regarding battery though, if with L it gets a day's battery life under majority use-cases ... how is it even a problem? Because some others get 1.25-1.5 days? That is worthless to most people, since you'd need to charge it mid-day anyway. In other words, the actual real use-case is the same ... you need to charge it every night.

Getting in the middle of 1-2 days doesn't help most people. As long as it gets a day of usage, less than 2 doesn't actually provide an extra benefit for most people.

Maybe to you it's not garbage, but to me it is.
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Okay? That's not how communication works. You can't drop a bomb like 'it's garbage', and then act butt hurt when people call you out.

Maybe try stating 'this wouldn't work for me' ... of if you want to lay it on thick, 'the battery makes it garbage for me'.

Some of you can bring up project volta and L as much as you want, but I think you're setting your hopes a bit too high. Not to mention all the other flasgships will get it too, and their already good battery life with become great while the moto x subpar battery life may become good.
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See the above.

And people aren't setting their hopes too high. We have actually metrics from the beta.

I only just realized that in posted this in the moto x thread instead of the android thread. Silly me. For that I'm sorry, didn't really intend to shit up this thread, was planning on a small rant in the android OT. You guys have a nice e day.
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lol ... okay then.

We're done here.
 
malyce said:
The moto X is garbage. Unless you're in desperate need of a phone, I'd hold out till November. Apart from the N4, Z3 and Z3c, everything else released this rear has underwhelmed. This may be this first year where a nexus takes the crown as smartphone of the year or at least grabs a podium. All moto/google has to do is release it with a 3200mah+ battery; 1080p + 805 is already a given. C'mon google, make it happen. The jump from my N4 would be glorious.

I wonder how google will approach the nexus naming scheme from here on out.
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You are pctx's ying to his yang. If the moto x is such garbage, then who exactly is your comment based towards? I'd say you are an AJ bobby alt but even that would be too kind.
 
NotBacon said:
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What I honestly don't get is that numerous reviews have already said that it easily lasts a single day on KitKat, so why are people still harping on this 2300 mAh number like it means something? I mean, holy shit, as an engineer, randomly spouting off a number without putting it into context is a cardinal sin.

Raistlin said:
So moto maker gets turned on then? HYPE!


Anyone know if the 'pure' has all the necessary frequencies for both AT&T and T-Mobile? I want to keep my options open. No sense in paying outright if the phone locks me in hardware-wise anyway.
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If I remember correctly, all versions of the Moto X should support the AT&T and T-Mo frequencies. Whether or not the Moto G has the same support is unclear to me though.
 
SRG01 said:
What I honestly don't get is that numerous reviews have already said that it easily lasts a single day on KitKat, so why are people still harping on this 2300 mAh number like it means something? I mean, holy shit, as an engineer, randomly spouting off a number without putting it into context is a cardinal sin.



If I remember correctly, all versions of the Moto X should support the AT&T and T-Mo frequencies. Whether or not the Moto G has the same support is unclear to me though.
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You do realize how vague a "Single Day" is right? An iPhone 4 can go a full day on a single charge, so can a Nexus 5. I can get a full day out of my Nexus 4. It's all relative to how you use your device. The most important thing is how much screen time you on LTE/4G. Like I said ealier, you don't have to take my word for it, wait until you get the device in your hands. The Moto X is a Nexus 5 with a faster GPU and some antenna tweaks. Sure the 2300mah may be adequate for some, but the landscape has changed compared to a year ago as far as battery life goes. No amount of tweaking an 80* SD and antenna is gonna make up for the huge gap in battery when compared to the other flagships. My beef with mtoto is how can they go from releasing phones with 3300/3500mah batteries 1.5-2 years ago to a 2300mah battery in their flagship device at the end of 2014. It's regressive.
 
SRG01 said:
What I honestly don't get is that numerous reviews have already said that it easily lasts a single day on KitKat, so why are people still harping on this 2300 mAh number like it means something? I mean, holy shit, as an engineer, randomly spouting off a number without putting it into context is a cardinal sin.
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Yup definitely. And with Android L, it will only improve. Only under really heavy use-cases will it likely run out.

And like I argued earlier, what does 1.5 days get you? For most people, nothing ... they'd have to charge anyway. Unless you're a shut in or are in a really particular case like camping would that extra time really gain you anything.

I guess with L it's possible something like the new Note can hit 2 days? But it would only be under light duty ... and how many people buy a phablet for light duty? I'd imagine the numbers are quite low.

If I remember correctly, all versions of the Moto X should support the AT&T and T-Mo frequencies. Whether or not the Moto G has the same support is unclear to me though.
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Oh sweet! I'm interested in the X if anything.
 
malyce said:
You do realize how vague a "Single Day" is right? An iPhone 4 can go a full day on a single charge, so can a Nexus 5. I can get a full day out of my Nexus 4. It's all relative to how you use your device. The most important thing is how much screen time you on LTE/4G. Like I said ealier, you don't have to take my word for it, wait until you get the device in your hands. The Moto X is a Nexus 5 with a faster GPU and some antenna tweaks. Sure the 2300mah may be adequate for some, but the landscape has changed compared to a year ago as far as battery life goes. No amount of tweaking an 80* SD and antenna is gonna make up for the huge gap in battery when compared to the other flagships. My beef with mtoto is how can they go from releasing phones with 3300/3500mah batteries 1.5-2 years ago to a 2300mah battery in their flagship device at the end of 2014. It's regressive.
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Maybe we should see what the numbers are with L? Yes, 'single day' is nebulous, but I'll bet you the numbers will back up that it will be fine with moderate usage.

As for their prior phones ... how is that a comparison? Those weren't their mainstream models ... they were quite large. Nothing is stopping them from releasing a MAXX device if they think the market is there, but let's not pretend those were mainstream even at the time ... let alone now where form-factor expectations have shifted.
 
Raistlin said:
Maybe we should see what the numbers are with L? Yes, 'single day' is nebulous, but I'll bet you the numbers will back up that it will be fine with moderate usage.

As for their prior phones ... how is that a comparison? Those weren't their mainstream models ... they were quite large. Nothing is stopping them from releasing a MAXX device if they think the market is there, but let's not pretend those were mainstream even at the time ... let alone now where form-factor expectations have shifted.
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L/Volta would have to be something truly special to impress me. I've been on kernels back when I had a single core Galaxy S[froyo] that had minimal wakelocks. I would go to sleep at 11 at night with 100% battery and wake up at 9 in the morning with with 95%. It seems like as we progressed with more power efficient SoCs, modems, and larger batteries google/OEMS took their foot off the gas on the software side. The amount of battery drain android phones get when the screen is off is ridiculous in 2014. It's like it got worse with each major android release. I fixed an iPhone 4 for a friend of mine a few days ago and she took about 3 days after I was done to come get it. I left on top of my fridge fully charged and even with all of her apps sycning, when she came to pick it up it had 91% battery left. So yeah, any advancements made with Volta is a huge problem that google should have addressed ages ago. I'm not impresssd by them finally adressing their fuck ups, when ROM city has been doing it for eons.

As for form factor expectations the G2, G3, GS5, Z2 and Z3 all give their best regards.
 
malyce said:
L/Volta would have to be something truly special to impress me.
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We have metrics from the beta. That should give you a reasonable expectation of what it will offer. Does it impress you?

I've been on kernels back when I had a single core Galaxy S[froyo] that had minimal wakelocks. I would go to sleep at 11 at night with 100% battery and wake up at 9 in the morning with with 95%. It seems like as we progressed with more power efficient SoCs, modems, and larger batteries google/OEMS took their foot off the gas on the software side. The amount of battery drain android phones get when the screen is off is ridiculous in 2014. It's like it got worse with each major android release.
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And it's one of the reasons I've shied away from Android (I've been a WP user) for my phone. Not just power efficiency, but performance in general. It's obvious that they've gone through several iterations of feature upgrades and UI changes, with kernel efficiency sitting on the back burner.

With that in mind though ... the 'project volta' initiative is all about going back and optimizing the subsystems that either weren't efficient to begin with, or have seen code bloat since their introduction.

I fixed an iPhone 4 for a friend of mine a few days ago and she took about 3 days after I was done to come get it. I left on top of my fridge fully charged and even with all of her apps sycning, when she came to pick it up it had 91% battery left. So yeah, any advancements made with Volta is a huge problem that google should have addressed ages ago. I'm not impresssd by them finally adressing their fuck ups, when ROM city has been doing it for eons.

As for form factor expectations the G2, G3, GS5, Z2 and Z3 all give their best regards.
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Okay? Then don't get an Android phone?


I thought you were done with this thread? Now you've moved from shitting specifically on the Moto X to general Android shitting lol
 
Are there any good quality pictures of the different colors and backings? I'm deciding between the darkest type of wood and a more vibrant option.

Also what does it mean to purchase a phone on contract? I know I have a contract of some sort with Verizon, but I already have a phone. Will buying this phone only cost me $99?
 
ImpassionateGods said:
Are there any good quality pictures of the different colors and backings? I'm deciding between the darkest type of wood and a more vibrant option.

Also what does it mean to purchase a phone on contract? I know I have a contract of some sort with Verizon, but I already have a phone. Will buying this phone only cost me $99?
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If you upgrade with the upgrade price, you renew your contract for another 2 years.

If you buy the phone for retail price ($500), you can be "out of contract" which allows you to leave at any time.
 
Raistlin said:
We have metrics from the beta. That should give you a reasonable expectation of what it will offer. Does it impress you?


And it's one of the reasons I've shied away from Android (I've been a WP user) for my phone. Not just power efficiency, but performance in general. It's obvious that they've gone through several iterations of feature upgrades and UI changes, with kernel efficiency sitting on the back burner.

With that in mind though ... the 'project volta' initiative is all about going back and optimizing the subsystems that either weren't efficient to begin with, or have seen code bloat since their introduction.


Okay? Then don't get an Android phone?


I thought you were done with this thread? Now you've moved from shitting specifically on the Moto X to general Android shitting lol
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Yeah, you're right. I'm out. Peace.
 
SRG01 said:
What I honestly don't get is that numerous reviews have already said that it easily lasts a single day on KitKat, so why are people still harping on this 2300 mAh number like it means something? I mean, holy shit, as an engineer, randomly spouting off a number without putting it into context is a cardinal sin.
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Yep. And people are focusing just on the battery, and completely ignoring the fact that this phone has numerous other pros:

- Moto Display + Moto Voice + Moto Assist
- Crazy reception with custom antenna
- No OEM bloat
- Front speaker
- Customizable hardware
- Massively improved camera

But let's just forget all that and focus on the battery life spec, not even the real life results, just the number next to "mah" and call it garbage.....
 
I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret: the mAh number means absolutely nothing when it comes to mobile devices and most of the metrics that reviewers use is absolutely useless. What's the most useful metric then?

Reception. The longer your phone stays in the lower dB range, the more power your phone will push through your antenna. This is why your phone dies quickly inside a low signal zone. Writing a hook that reads into the battery usage while simutaneously logging the signal level is one of the best ways to test battery life. Similarly, logging energy consumption per activity is the way to go since there are too many day-to-day variances that can affect those 'standard' run-down tests.

The Moto X has some pretty awesome antenna technology, which is why it can last so long with a smaller battery.
 
SRG01 said:
I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret: the mAh number means absolutely nothing when it comes to mobile devices and most of the metrics that reviewers use is absolutely useless. What's the most useful metric then?

Reception. The longer your phone stays in the lower dB range, the more power your phone will push through your antenna. This is why your phone dies quickly inside a low signal zone. Writing a hook that reads into the battery usage while simutaneously logging the signal level is one of the best ways to test battery life. Similarly, logging energy consumption per activity is the way to go since there are too many day-to-day variances that can affect those 'standard' run-down tests.

The Moto X has some pretty awesome antenna technology, which is why it can last so long with a smaller battery.
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No matter how "awesome" the technology, I think it's an absolute insult to put a 2300 mA battery into that body.
 
looking to upgrade from my gs3 (verizon) in the coming month. im leaning towards the m8 because from what ive seen, it is faster (in responsiveness ie opening and closing apps, multitasking) than its competitors. thats a big seller for me. is there a reason to choose this phone over the m8?


edit: did i read that right? this is a pure android device?
 
Rizific said:
looking to upgrade from my gs3 (verizon) in the coming month. im leaning towards the m8 because from what ive seen, it is faster (in responsiveness ie opening and closing apps, multitasking) than its competitors. thats a big seller for me. is there a reason to choose this phone over the m8?


edit: did i read that right? this is a pure android device?
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It's a pure Android device.

The One M8 on a hardware level isn't any faster than its competitors. In fact, it actually has a slower Snapdragon 800 than the GS5 and a few other phones. In terms of software, anything that isn't TouchWiz should be just as fast as, if not faster than, Sense UI.
 
Rizific said:
looking to upgrade from my gs3 (verizon) in the coming month. im leaning towards the m8 because from what ive seen, it is faster (in responsiveness ie opening and closing apps, multitasking) than its competitors. thats a big seller for me. is there a reason to choose this phone over the m8?


edit: did i read that right? this is a pure android device?
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it has a stock skin but it's not pure. there are modifications.
 
I'm really deciding the Nexus 4 over this phone I think. 1GB of ram isn't enough even if it's DDR3

Edit: I've been thinking of the Moto G too much. Yeah, the Moto X looks good :P.
 
Thanks to my old Galaxy Nexus finally getting long in the tooth (meaning, the lag to open apps is killing me) I've started looking for a new phone. This one looks really promising! The one thing I've hated about Verizon is how slowly updates come to my phones and I hear that's mostly because Verizon has a death-grip on bloatware on devices. Is there any hope of this phone 1) being on Verizon, 2) getting updates in a timely manner, and 3) having way less bloatware than my Galaxy Nexus did?

Also, has anyone done an in-depth review of the battery on this thing yet? My jaw dropped when I saw the battery life on the Xperia Z3 compact, but I don't know how much I'd like a non-vanilla Android interface. I have no experience with Sony's version of it. Does anyone have any experience with it? Or should I just ask that question in the Xperia thread?
 
Owensboro said:
Thanks to my old Galaxy Nexus finally getting long in the tooth (meaning, the lag to open apps is killing me) I've started looking for a new phone. This one looks really promising! The one thing I've hated about Verizon is how slowly updates come to my phones and I hear that's mostly because Verizon has a death-grip on bloatware on devices. Is there any hope of this phone 1) being on Verizon, 2) getting updates in a timely manner, and 3) having way less bloatware than my Galaxy Nexus did?

Also, has anyone done an in-depth review of the battery on this thing yet? My jaw dropped when I saw the battery life on the Xperia Z3 compact, but I don't know how much I'd like a non-vanilla Android interface. I have no experience with Sony's version of it. Does anyone have any experience with it? Or should I just ask that question in the Xperia thread?
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Sony's Xperia line is a lot like a Nissan GTR. It's being built on top of an existing platform, with similar parts, and essentially refining - refining - refining until it's tuned to perfection. Xperia Z1, Z2, and Z3 all share the same camera sensor AND Snapdragon 80_ line of processors. It's all a matter of iteration.
 
neogaffer1 said:
It's a pure Android device.

The One M8 on a hardware level isn't any faster than its competitors. In fact, it actually has a slower Snapdragon 800 than the GS5 and a few other phones. In terms of software, anything that isn't TouchWiz should be just as fast as, if not faster than, Sense UI.
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M8 has the lowest latency (best) of any device right now including Nexus 5, so yeah at least one component of its hardware is faster than that of others, including iPhone.
 
Woke up literally two minutes ago. Ready to preorder this stuff.

soundahfekz said:
M8 has the lowest latency (best) of any device right now including Nexus 5, so yeah at least one component of its hardware is faster than that of others, including iPhone.
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Latency of what? Network connection? WiFi? That depends on the actual router, network, conection strength, etc..
 
It's up:

https://www.motorola.com/us/motomaker?pid=FLEXR2

Argh the website is crashing hard. Why'd they have to open 360 orders at this time too?

Edit: Aw yiss. Black front and black trim with white back.

8567136a01.jpg
 
Man there's some beautiful options in here. I might play with this a bit while I'm waiting for Verizon stuff to come up over the next...whenever
 
The $50 off promo code they sent me doesn't even work. Not sure why I'm surprised though. I tried to do that "try the Moto X for a week" thing back when, and it wouldn't take my credit card, and disabled the code after I tried to check out anyway.

So fuck it. Waiting for the Nexus X.
 
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