Syphon Filter
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how is that an xbox? just remove the name then.No because it would hurt Windows sales.
The next Xbox will just be a PC.
how is that an xbox? just remove the name then.No because it would hurt Windows sales.
The next Xbox will just be a PC.
You asked for 8K/120 and a portable PS5.
Neither will happen soon. $$$
A console has to take into account size, power draw, heat, and a viable price point therefore it's not realistic to expect that.
I’m out of the loop, people. Is this a joke account and I’m not getting it or is this serious?
Letting aside that we are talking about an hybrid console let’s assume that Xbox launches a 3.000€ console with a 5090. The current 4090 doesn’t moves, as per DF, all games at maximum 4K/60. If I remember correctly one of them was No Rest For The Wicked. Let alone 8K/120. A 600€ console in 2026 won’t hit 4K native/60 in every game.Deadly serious. No shitposting here.
Look, all I'm suggesting is that it's possible for a console to be as powerful as the most powerful PC. I understand it would be wildly expensive, but it's still possible.
We have laptops with different specs. Why not different spec consoles?
Except Series S has RT, and regularly displays games at far higher resolutions than 720p. Elden Ring is 1440p, for example. There are also native 4K games. and 1440p games running @120FPS, like Warzone. So, LITERALLY incorrect. Just look at a Steam Deck ffs, it's already old tech and can still most new "AAA" games.I’m out of the loop, people. Is this a joke account and I’m not getting it or is this serious?
If you get a current gen game and take away RT and reduce the resolution to 720p that’s LITERALLY the Series S. And that power is not 2 years away to be in mobile. Yes ARM is very efficient but that’s just the instruction set for the CPU. The GPU raw power doesn’t benefits from it and still needs to be powered the same way as always.
Letting aside that we are talking about an hybrid console let’s assume that Xbox launches a 3.000€ console with a 5090. The current 4090 doesn’t moves, as per DF, all games at maximum 4K/60. If I remember correctly one of them was No Rest For The Wicked. Let alone 8K/120. A 600€ console in 2026 won’t hit 4K native/60 in every game.
how is that an xbox? just remove the name then.
Erm that would be something called a PC mate.That's fine. I'd pay £3000 or more for a console with a 5090 GPU or equivalent, 5TB SSD, 64GB GDDR, some bleeding edge liquid metal x Water cooling hybrid etc.
Something that pushes tech to the absolute limits should be an option. That's all I'm saying
Warzone as in PS4’s Warzone? Elden Ring as in PS4’s Elden Ring?Except Series S has RT, and regularly displays games at far higher resolutions than 720p. Elden Ring is 1440p, for example. There are also native 4K games. and 1440p games running @120FPS, like Warzone. So, LITERALLY incorrect. Just look at a Steam Deck ffs, it's already old tech and can still most new "AAA" games.
Also, Baldurs Gate III, a game that infamously struggled to get on Series S. running on ARM presented by Microsoft themselves last month, on current tech...not "two years away" disputes your other claim, DIRECTLY.
Snapdragon X Elite spotted running Baldur's Gate 3 at around 30fps, supporting claims that Windows games 'just work' on ARM chip
Qualcomm's chip might be good for a spot of gaming on the go.www.pcgamer.com
LMAO, you are PROVING MY POINT.Warzone as in PS4’s Warzone? Elden Ring as in PS4’s Elden Ring?
Ok.
And Baldur’s Gate is a heavily CPU burdened game. Of course a good ARM would help over a Zen 2 (I think even M1 is more powerful than a PS5’s CPU). Still doesn’t do shit for the GPU.
There has to be demand for a product you are trying to sell. There is no market for an £3000 console.That's fine. I'd pay £3000 or more for a console with a 5090 GPU or equivalent, 5TB SSD, 64GB GDDR, some bleeding edge liquid metal x Water cooling hybrid etc.
Something that pushes tech to the absolute limits should be an option. That's all I'm saying
Do you really expect many cross gen games by 2026?LMAO, you are PROVING MY POINT.
Sure there is. You're interacting with them right now.There has to be demand for a product you are trying to sell. There is no market for an £3000 console.
Sure there is. You're interacting with them right now.
If manufacturing Xbox consoles were to be opened up to OEM, such as the rumor goes, then it would probably be available as a day one option as an "Ultimate Xbox" build from MSI or AlienWare or whatever.
I really don't expect any games that fundamentally couldn't be ran on far weaker hardware, no. (GTA VI would be THE exception, but that will run like ass on a PS5 too, in all likelihood.)Do you really expect many cross gen games by 2026?
I don't see many people buying a top end Xbox OEM device unless it can do all the other things a normal Windows PC can do. It will all come down to how Microsoft implements "Xbox" as a distributor going forwards.
Likely the only thing you wont be able to do with it is upgrade it, as it stands right now anyhowI don't see many people buying a top end Xbox OEM device unless it can do all the other things a normal Windows PC can do. It will all come down to how Microsoft implements "Xbox" as a distributor going forwards.
It's always struck me as odd that Phil talked about his desire for a modular console, and then Series released with a PCIE expansion port...and it's only used for storage. Theoretically they could release a modular upgrade to Series, that IMO, would be a decent solution to mid-gen console upgrades. And yeah, I had the Sega Tower of Power growing up.Likely the only thing you wont be able to do with it is upgrade it, as it stands right now anyhow
It's an interesting idea but the leadership of the Xbox division will ruin everything.If manufacturing Xbox consoles were to be opened up to OEM, such as the rumor goes, then it would probably be available as a day one option as an "Ultimate Xbox" build from MSI or AlienWare or whatever.
You're not playing Hellblade 2 at Xbox Series X levels on a $500 pc, right? Can we agree on that? Now if you take that logic and apply it to next gen hardware, and throw in the fact that it can ALSO play PC games, well now...that's called a selling point.It's an interesting idea but the leadership of the Xbox division will ruin everything.
Third party manufacturers will demand to profit from hardware this is the alpha reason for this model to fail but Microsoft knows this, will they be willing to make the biggest subsidy in the history of the video game industry? I don't know, it's business not philanthropy.
the Beta reason why this model fails is that there are more spec variations, you know the xbox series S has raised complaints, you could argue that being a pc the new xbox would receive the same treatment - I say, that's bad - the devs They will never optimize because there will be the thought ''download the graph yourself or buy a more powerful Microsoft Machine''
The reason Gama makes this type of model fail is the possible division of the baby, you know an xbox with steam is not a PC but it is not a console either, it will be bad as a PC and maybe bad as a console. Will Microsoft give up charging to play online? PC nobody pays that, how to equate this?
The only way this model can work is for Microsoft to corrupt Playstation's leadership into giving up on the winning model of having dedicated hardware built in house.
I liked the xbox 360 but honestly the modern xbox isn't worth it, on the PC you can play Hellblade 2 at 60fps, no black bar, imho xbox is doomed I don't recommend it, even a future version with Steam.
At that point though would folks pay $/€/£ 3K for that? I think there is a line where a high end non upgradable “Xbox” can sell, but not for higher end PC money.Likely the only thing you wont be able to do with it is upgrade it, as it stands right now anyhow
Its where the more price friendly dockable comes into playAt that point though would folks pay $/€/£ 3K for that? I think there is a line where a high end non upgradable “Xbox” can sell, but not for higher end PC money.
Isn’t it due out 2026?Its where the more price friendly dockable comes into play
I still think they want to launch their big boy system in the same window as GTA 6 in hopes it helps move some for us hardcore gamers
Personally I wont be buying it since I have a nice gaming PC unless that very thing happens
That's what this guy thinks who made this TweetIsn’t it due out 2026?
Will be a year off (give or take) from GTAVI release if the case.
You're basically describing the difference in pricing between building your own rig or getting a prebuilt anyways...At that point though would folks pay $/€/£ 3K for that? I think there is a line where a high end non upgradable “Xbox” can sell, but not for higher end PC money.
The big "leak" everyone shares from Discord says it will be OEM which opens up a huge can of worms imoYou're basically describing the difference in pricing between building your own rig or getting a prebuilt anyways...
Shit doesn't make sense to me as I build my own computers, but that premium markup is eye-watering, and they seem to do alright too.
Now, the question is would these be pre-configured SKU's mandated by Microsoft and produced by Microsoft, or OEM? If it's OEM, it seems like there would almost certainly be some proprietary module for sandboxing/security. Otherwise we're talking about Xbox going forward as some sort of front end for pc or something.
There are a few different ways this could all shake out.
If Microsoft wants to be successful, all manufacturers will have to be included without limits on models per manufacturerwho builds these and how much markup will there be with certain builders?
So many potential pitfalls going OEM but current plan isnt working hardware sales wise
Guess I should have worded it who would want to take on that endeavor of building these OEM machines that might have a hard time finding buyersIf Microsoft wants to be successful, all manufacturers will have to be included without limits on models per manufacturer
Oh sure, but how big is the market for high end “Xbox” which isn’t covered by pre-builts? Why would someone pay high end money (talking over say $2K) for a non upgradable device?You're basically describing the difference in pricing between building your own rig or getting a prebuilt anyways...
Shit doesn't make sense to me as I build my own computers, but that premium markup is eye-watering, and they seem to do alright too.
Now, the question is would these be pre-configured SKU's mandated by Microsoft and produced by Microsoft, or OEM? If it's OEM, it seems like there would almost certainly be some proprietary module for sandboxing/security. Otherwise we're talking about Xbox going forward as some sort of front end for pc or something.
There are a few different ways this could all shake out.
I'm of the mind that the options were being weighed for next gen, but they ran out of time and re-upped their deal with AMD. They publicly stated they were looking into either licensing or emulating AMD tech for "future compatibility" prior to this. Pair that with their obvious intent to get Windows games running on ARM, and it sure seems like they are trying to make the Xbox ecosystem as far-reaching as possible, and can introduce any of these options down the line if they did indeed decide to produce these themselves. Going OEM just seems like too crazy a move at the onset of this type of transition, but who knows!The big "leak" everyone shares from Discord says it will be OEM which opens up a huge can of worms imo
I used to build my own PCs but recently I have been buying prebuilts as I am over building my own and yeah some of the premium markups are crazy which begs the question who builds these and how much markup will there be with certain builders?
So many potential pitfalls going OEM but current plan isnt working hardware sales wise
as I posted on the wall text- read it, it's interesting .Guess I should have worded it who would want to take on that endeavor of building these OEM machines that might have a hard time finding buyers
Again, the "high-end" device is not a road I see them really take unless OEM gets involved. I'm sure that wouldn't be a thing Microsoft would try to produce themselves.Oh sure, but how big is the market for high end “Xbox” which isn’t covered by pre-builts? Why would someone pay high end money (talking over say $2K) for a non upgradable device?
And it’s not like a gaming laptop which is actually portable to an extent.
Either way it’s going to be an interesting move to watch by MS. Personally I don’t see it succeeding, but who knows.
Either way it’s going to be pretty interesting to see what happens.Again, the "high-end" device is not a road I see them really take unless OEM gets involved. I'm sure that wouldn't be a thing Microsoft would try to produce themselves.
The real selling point of this approach is simply in having a next gen console that can also play pc games. It's really just as simple as that.
Either way it’s going to be pretty interesting to see what happens.
I would be happy with 4K 60fps with Ray TracingYes. We're in 2024. It's not too much to ask for the next consoles to easily run games at 8K/120FPS at a bare minimum.