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The Nintendo NX won't sell at a loss
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This meme hurts me.
Boy Wander
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Why does selling at a profit suddenly equate to being underpowered?
James Scott
Banned
A point I'm not sure anyone has made, but the value of the console is probably more important than the specs/price.
Wii U didn't sell poorly because it was weak, it sold poorly because it was weak and it launched at $350.
3DS sold pretty well all things considered but it wasn't perceived as valuable at its $250 launch.
3DS is the weakest system since the PS2 but a lot of people appreciate its low price and extensive library.
If it's weak but $250 people would be more interested in it. Same as if it was expensive but very powerful at $350-400
Wii U didn't sell poorly because it was weak, it sold poorly because it was weak and it launched at $350.
3DS sold pretty well all things considered but it wasn't perceived as valuable at its $250 launch.
3DS is the weakest system since the PS2 but a lot of people appreciate its low price and extensive library.
If it's weak but $250 people would be more interested in it. Same as if it was expensive but very powerful at $350-400
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witchedwiz
Member
So..
They are going to sell new hardware with spec of 2 years old hardware (at least, i hope) for the same price that hardware was sold 2 years ago?
Nowdays ps4 o xboxone going for 300 (or 350 with a game) is not rare at all..
And that's the price you pay for consoles with a considerable library of good games..
Trying to sell Nx for more tha 299 won't do any good, imho the smart choice is to go for 250, but w/e.. It's hard-headed nintendo, they'll do like they did with wii u: they will pull a john romero's daikatana thinking they can pull another wii and not realizing that wii was the right thing at the right time and not thanks to some pr/super market campaign...
Again i'll support nintendo as a collector, but as a player if wii u was an indicator i would be REALLY hard pressed to get someone into buying the Nx as the "sole platform"... It's been multiple generations Now that nintendo has proven incapable of offering a large and multi-faceted lineup of games from both first and third party..
Time will tell i guess...
They are going to sell new hardware with spec of 2 years old hardware (at least, i hope) for the same price that hardware was sold 2 years ago?
Nowdays ps4 o xboxone going for 300 (or 350 with a game) is not rare at all..
And that's the price you pay for consoles with a considerable library of good games..
Trying to sell Nx for more tha 299 won't do any good, imho the smart choice is to go for 250, but w/e.. It's hard-headed nintendo, they'll do like they did with wii u: they will pull a john romero's daikatana thinking they can pull another wii and not realizing that wii was the right thing at the right time and not thanks to some pr/super market campaign...
Again i'll support nintendo as a collector, but as a player if wii u was an indicator i would be REALLY hard pressed to get someone into buying the Nx as the "sole platform"... It's been multiple generations Now that nintendo has proven incapable of offering a large and multi-faceted lineup of games from both first and third party..
Time will tell i guess...
TAJ
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Expensive controller it is, then.
Yeah that seems to be the correlation between power and price. I think the deciding factor is Nintendo's software strategy, what they end up with on the hardware side depends on which audience they mainly want to attract to NX.
Vital Tundra
Member
Console is gonna cost $400 for sure.
toddhunter
Member
That is ok. But will it still cost $400 four years after release?
Wii U pricing in Australia is nuts.
Amazing leaps.
James Scott
Banned
Basically. If an iOS or android like system is used then that might be enough to sell a lot of people on it.
Biggest issue would be if they go with an expensive controller like what Microsoft did with X1 and then the Wii U. If consumers don't see the value in the controller than the added price won't be worth it. Hope they realize that. Wii worked since it was a cheap gimmick to implement, Wii U wanted to be the best of both worlds but wasn't powerful enough and it was way too pricy
Dark Cloud
Member
I was on board with a cheaper console at $249-$299 and then a SCD sold separately for that extreme boost of power!
Considering how thirsty GAF is for NX information, we will jump to any conclusion depending on what bottle of wine Reggie orders the next time he eats out.
ShadowFox08
Member
How much was the PS4 selling at in 2014 though?
CAn Nintendo go dirt cheap and digital ala an AppleTV/Roku/FireTV/... in order to capture part of the streaming / casual gamer market?
Certainly they could make a more powerful machine at the same pricepoint of a 4th gen AppleTV and still throw in a controller and make a small profit. $199 max. Possibly even package the controller separately and sell it with their bigger AAA games at a Gamestop & Walmart etc.
Going this route also allows more synergy between console and handheld. IT would easier to have alot of the same games be playable on both if theprocessing power of the consoles & handheld are in the same ballpark.
They could allow the consumer to use their phones to control the platform for streaming services and shopping and entering and transferring data from apps etc etc. Also smartphones possibly could be used as extra controllers for some games.
Certainly they could make a more powerful machine at the same pricepoint of a 4th gen AppleTV and still throw in a controller and make a small profit. $199 max. Possibly even package the controller separately and sell it with their bigger AAA games at a Gamestop & Walmart etc.
Going this route also allows more synergy between console and handheld. IT would easier to have alot of the same games be playable on both if theprocessing power of the consoles & handheld are in the same ballpark.
They could allow the consumer to use their phones to control the platform for streaming services and shopping and entering and transferring data from apps etc etc. Also smartphones possibly could be used as extra controllers for some games.
$399. It didn't get its first official price cut until October 2015.
http://time.com/4066107/playstation-4-sony-price-cut-cheaper/
As with most hardware price drops (outside emergencies like the 3DS price drop in its first year), it likely reflects decreased manufacturing costs.
I predict that those who buy nintendo products will buy it no matter the price, while others will complain and still buy it. Oh, and there are those that don't care in the first place and have no intention of buying it. Wait, I bet some of them may also complain about it too. Hell, i'm buying it and take responsibility for me actions. Why not?
Angry Chair
Member
I wouldn't put any stock in this quote. Even if he knew the NX was going to sell at a huge loss, he would have said the same thing. I wouldn't even count on the NX releasing in March.
Perih Xoph
Banned
I would be perfectly content with a 399 Machine that matches PS4K/Neo. Nintendo needs to have a competitively spec'd system. They can't afford to have another WiiU situation.
Proelite
Member
PS4 and Xbox One the new Wii U?
speaking very generally here, but ....
ps4/xb1 specs in 2017 + whatever "gimmick" device rounds out to about $300, which is likely nintendo's sweet spot. if that's at a loss it's not by much.
if its less expensive the thing isn't what anybody thought it was. if it's more... rip in pepperonis
ps4/xb1 specs in 2017 + whatever "gimmick" device rounds out to about $300, which is likely nintendo's sweet spot. if that's at a loss it's not by much.
if its less expensive the thing isn't what anybody thought it was. if it's more... rip in pepperonis
uhh no? Pretty sure you wouldn't want to lie to investors over something that you can control like that. March date is suspect, that quote no.
Teletraan1
Banned
I wonder if it will even come with a power cord then.
Feels like this has been pretty well explained multiple times in this thread.
Are we just making up numbers? There is so much wrong with this idea.
I'd say that $250 isn't low enough for this gen. More like $200 or less.
lolque? Even if they were to take this route, anything more than a $50 loss ($350 price) would make no sense whatsoever
If you consider a recent price analysis of consoles launching at their respective price points and being sold at a loss at launch, it's sort of hard to imagine a scenario of a console being significantly more powerful than the ps4, launching at 299 or 349, and it's sort of hard to imagine nintendo launching anything at $399. It's not impossible to have a $249 - $349 system beating the ps4 significantly, but considerably more difficult. And if it isn't significantly more powerful than the ps4, it will be underpowered with a 2017 launch given ps4k and and xbox revision and or xbox 2 launching somewhere near that timeframe.
It's not absurd for people to think it's essentially a wii u scenario all over again in terms of power.
Imperfected
Member
There's not much chance of anyone selling at a loss unless they're trying to push "platform as a service" (mandatory online subscription with upgrade options, ala phones?), which is more in line with what PlayStation is doing.
It would be interesting if Nintendo did swerve hard in that direction, but I don't think anyone really expected it, did they?
It would be interesting if Nintendo did swerve hard in that direction, but I don't think anyone really expected it, did they?
Sakura
Member
Doesn't seem like it would be difficult to sell a say $299 console not at a loss, and be more powerful than the over 3 year old PS4, so I'm not sure what the worry is.
Or were people expecting Nintendo to release a system even more powerful than the PS4K and still have competitive pricing?
Or were people expecting Nintendo to release a system even more powerful than the PS4K and still have competitive pricing?
James Scott
Banned
Depends what they're going for. I think that's handheld prices
If it's releasing in the same timeframe as the ps4k it's only natural for people to expect it to be at least close to that spec.
Please. Whatever the NX is will likely be priced at around 300 dollars. It will likely be sold at close to Cost. With a Wii U port of a game that Nintendo plans to sell DLC from included.
The DLC will cover the Cost of the Port and Nintendo will start to seriously profit from the 2nd Production run when parts are cheaper, and from people buying exclusive first party games
The DLC will cover the Cost of the Port and Nintendo will start to seriously profit from the 2nd Production run when parts are cheaper, and from people buying exclusive first party games
Cid Highwind
Banned
The fact of the matter is we still know nothing. Doesn't look like we will for a little while.
I'd like to see Nintendo make a run for the top again, though. Hopefully the NX hardware is worth all the wait.
I'd like to see Nintendo make a run for the top again, though. Hopefully the NX hardware is worth all the wait.
Sakura
Member
If it is more powerful than the PS4 and less powerful than a PS4K, I would consider that to be close.
I doubt the PS4K is going to be as affordable as the NX.
Angry Chair
Member
They have as much control over the price as the release date of the console. Both statements have the possibility to be lies and yes, they would knowingly lie to keep their stock from falling. Nintendo's stock would have fallen more than 8% if Kimi would have scheduled the NX for Fall 2017 and that it would sell for a loss. He could be telling the truth but I think the possibility for the statements being false is almost as likely.
This is stupid.
The PS4 & XB1's install base is too big to ignore, so it's not like those two are going anywhere anytime soon. As long as the NX Console is within the ballpark of those two, Nintendo will be fine. Plus Emily Rogers kinda already shot down the hopes of those wanting the NX Console to compete with the PS4K.
Do you want Nintendo receive XB1-tier backlash? Because that's how you get XB1-tier backlash.
$250 might be enough to match Xbone, but it would be extremely close and Nintendo would need to deal with higher power consumption since 14nm is pretty much out of the question.
reelbigtink
Member
She didn't say anything about the power level being disappointing.
Infact she said the specs were good, but not the crazy shit people were getting hype by from 10k
It wouldn't be a Wii U scenario [in terms of power] because developers will still have to take in account original Xbox One and PS4 customers. Which, hypothetically, the NX should be able to handle.
Arguably devs still had to take into account the 360 and ps3, as the wii u launched in 2012. Look how that turned out. If new systems launch it remains to be seen how long devs will support the last gen. Additionally, the 360 and ps3 arguably still have better 3rd party support than the wii u, so launching a system only as powerfull as the last gen doesn't inspire confidence in devs that you will grow a sizable userbase. Case in point, the wii u. It's literally the almost same scenario. Hey video gamers, please buy our system that doesn't offer anything the systems that released several years ago already do. Please understand. It doesn't inspire confidence in the strength of the long term appeal for the system, which leads too a lack of 3rd party support. If it's doubtful you will grow a sizable user base, it's doubtful the devs are going to come.
entremet
Member
And those arguments are incredibly poor.
Because Nintendo amirite?
wonderful103
Member
Nope
Since when is it wise to take Iwata's word? If we were to believe what he was saying, we would also have a great and diverse lineup on Wii U with lots of 3rd party titles.
Nintendo can compete on a hardware level, they just decided not to, and that fired back this generation.
Captain Europe
Member
There's not a single reason to expect the NX to be significantly more powerful than the PS4, like that user says. Why people even expect that is beyond me, that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.
I'm guessing it will be a cheap streaming device with optional processing units to play games natively or contribute to a cloud in exchange for nintendobucks.
A $99 device that plays all the new NX games would be hard to resist.
It doesn't have to be sold at a loss to be impressive tech.
A $99 device that plays all the new NX games would be hard to resist.
It doesn't have to be sold at a loss to be impressive tech.