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The Official Apple WWDC 2007 Thread
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Oh, and let's keep the ZFS hype alive. ZFS is bar none the coolest filesystem that's ever been created, IMHO.
I was worried they'd only licensed it for use in Time Machine partitions (will time machine always want its own partition if it's on a ZFS disk?), but hearing from Sun's chief that it's actually HFS+'s successor... boy howdy! I'm pumped. Battery life +20% is a good point to add, as well (though no more fragmentation, file recovery, ingenius indexing, etc. are enough for me).
I was worried they'd only licensed it for use in Time Machine partitions (will time machine always want its own partition if it's on a ZFS disk?), but hearing from Sun's chief that it's actually HFS+'s successor... boy howdy! I'm pumped. Battery life +20% is a good point to add, as well (though no more fragmentation, file recovery, ingenius indexing, etc. are enough for me).
Y2Kev said:Probably. I need to reformat anyway. Keep everything nice and neat.
I will just back stuff up to an external drive and reformat. I want ZFS, and I can't wait for the sequel, X-Treme FS
I haven't reformatted my drive for a different filesystem since HFS+. So it's been a while.
Would bacing up the Home and Applications directory be sufficient to keep user options in tact? I dread the day I have to re-implement all my passwords and settings again. I'm quite cozy how I am.
yayaba said:
Yah, but remembering the transition to HFS+, I had to back up all my data and reformat the drive. PITA.
It's not the files that I'm worried about since they're organized neatly, it's the user settings. I hope Apple makes it painless. I have 2 HDD anyways to backup to.
djkimothy said:Yah, but remembering the transition to HFS+, I had to back up all my data and reformat the drive. PITA.
I hope Apple makes it painless. I have 2 HDD anyways to backup to.
Well, worse case you know they'll have some kind of wizard that will migrate everything for you. Unless you have an obscure app that they can't read the settings from.
~Below I've just written up some instructions for you faint of heart about the Leopard upgrade. Bookmark this post if you need them.~
To the people worried about reformatting (and in simple terms, yes you will need to if you want ZFS), here's what you'll want to do:
0. Delete all the particularly "hacky" apps you use. Remove APE, Little Snitch, or just about any program that launches a daemon (GimmeSomeTunes, Quicken, etc.). The reason for this is that since you're doing an Archive & Install of Leopard, and since these apps will auto-launch at boot or login, if they're incompatible with Leopard they might bork your startup sequence and make Leopard unbootable without troubleshooting.
1. Buy Leopard
2. Run the Disk Utility on the Leopard DVD and create "New Image" from your current system disk to back it up to an external drive; generally just pick compressed and be on your way (Mac lingo for this is to 'create a sparse disk image').
3. After you've made the image, opened it and let it verify to make sure it was taken properly and isn't corrupt, THEN you'll use Disk Utility to "Erase" the main system drive with the partition options... dialog set to "GUID partition map" and the file format to ZFS. Erasure will probably only take a minute or two.
4. Still selecting the system disk, you'll click the Restore tab and drag the backup image you just made onto the image field. Click restore to restore that image onto the system disk (now with fancy ZFS!). The irony at this point is that since Tiger doesn't (and probably won't) support ZFS, the disk probably isn't even bootable! However, the Leopard installer probably won't know or care and will recognize it as a valid upgradeable install.
5. Now you'll quit Disk Utility and go through the OS X installer, selecting "Archive & Install" as opposed to "Erase and Install" or whatever they'll be calling it. (Be sure to go into options and flag as much as possible to be preserved, this will leave your system almost entirely as you found it before upgrading.)
6. After Archive & Install is complete, your user directory and apps (etc) should be in their proper places, with your old remaining/system files in '/Previous Systems/Previous System 1'. Enjoy Leopard & ZFS without having to dump any of your data/apps![/code]
To the people worried about reformatting (and in simple terms, yes you will need to if you want ZFS), here's what you'll want to do:
0. Delete all the particularly "hacky" apps you use. Remove APE, Little Snitch, or just about any program that launches a daemon (GimmeSomeTunes, Quicken, etc.). The reason for this is that since you're doing an Archive & Install of Leopard, and since these apps will auto-launch at boot or login, if they're incompatible with Leopard they might bork your startup sequence and make Leopard unbootable without troubleshooting.
1. Buy Leopard
2. Run the Disk Utility on the Leopard DVD and create "New Image" from your current system disk to back it up to an external drive; generally just pick compressed and be on your way (Mac lingo for this is to 'create a sparse disk image').
3. After you've made the image, opened it and let it verify to make sure it was taken properly and isn't corrupt, THEN you'll use Disk Utility to "Erase" the main system drive with the partition options... dialog set to "GUID partition map" and the file format to ZFS. Erasure will probably only take a minute or two.
4. Still selecting the system disk, you'll click the Restore tab and drag the backup image you just made onto the image field. Click restore to restore that image onto the system disk (now with fancy ZFS!). The irony at this point is that since Tiger doesn't (and probably won't) support ZFS, the disk probably isn't even bootable! However, the Leopard installer probably won't know or care and will recognize it as a valid upgradeable install.
5. Now you'll quit Disk Utility and go through the OS X installer, selecting "Archive & Install" as opposed to "Erase and Install" or whatever they'll be calling it. (Be sure to go into options and flag as much as possible to be preserved, this will leave your system almost entirely as you found it before upgrading.)
6. After Archive & Install is complete, your user directory and apps (etc) should be in their proper places, with your old remaining/system files in '/Previous Systems/Previous System 1'. Enjoy Leopard & ZFS without having to dump any of your data/apps![/code]
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
Revolutionary GUI, eh? I'd be happy with a consistent look to the interface at this point. :lol
Leopard hasn't knocked me out thus far, so I hope the secrets are worthwhile.
Leopard hasn't knocked me out thus far, so I hope the secrets are worthwhile.
Burger
Member
DjangoReinhardt said:
Be glad you don't use Vista then :lol
The import font window hasn't changed at all since Windows 3.1
In fact the way Windows manages fonts hasn't changed since 3.1, it's really quite bizzare. The whole thing is extremely stone age and has almost no features. It's even harder for the average user to import a font into Vista, the File menu being actively hidden from view by default.
As opposed to OS X which is light years ahead in all aspects of type display and management.
Has anyone noticed that Apple's stock is now at 124. WTH, what was the price when that "how to buy apple stock" thread was started? :lol
Now, hopefully Steve will display some impressive stuff (new iMac?) and $130+ will be no problem.
Some analyst are expecting to to eventually hit $160.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/08/apple_becoming_a_bigger_cash_flow_machine.html
Now, hopefully Steve will display some impressive stuff (new iMac?) and $130+ will be no problem.
Some analyst are expecting to to eventually hit $160.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/06/08/apple_becoming_a_bigger_cash_flow_machine.html
I wish the Macbook pro's came with the 13" screen and in a black shell like their sibling, the Macbooks. I love my 12" G4 PB book and i'm looking to upgrade when leopard comes out but I've had a 15" PB before and its way too big for me to carry around. Anyone know when the usual Macbook updates are?
guise said:
New Finder and a new GUI have to be part of the secret features, if not I'll be very disappointed.
Finder has never been OSX's strong point, with quite a few 'quirks'. And despite Aqua still looking quite fresh for something that is now essentially 7 years old, it's time for a change.
I'd expect Apple to want to put some distance between them and Vista again, now that Vista has aped a lot of Aqua's style.
After i made the jump from windows to mac the only thing i dont like about OS X is finder. Its just too simple for its own good.
I'm not too fussed about a new interface, although 'uno' consistency over all apps would be nice. Good to hear the brushed metal is gone.
It will be interesting to see if the mac mini lives on or is replaced with a new line. I really need to upgrade mine but i dont have much space, and im not too keen on dropping 2 grand on a macbook pro no matter how good it is.
I'm not too fussed about a new interface, although 'uno' consistency over all apps would be nice. Good to hear the brushed metal is gone.
It will be interesting to see if the mac mini lives on or is replaced with a new line. I really need to upgrade mine but i dont have much space, and im not too keen on dropping 2 grand on a macbook pro no matter how good it is.
Boards of Canada
Member
I doubt we're going to see some noticeable GUI change. The entire GUI will now be vector+bitmap, but no end user is really going to care about that.
Boards of Canada said:
Well there's the long-standing rumour of Illuminous replacing Aqua. The OS has been going more black/white, light/shade based.
And the demos of Core Animation, the drive for a completely resolution independent GUI, and the iPhone's UI suggest that a more dynamic GUI with more visual feedback to the user's actions may be coming.
Especially if multi-touch is going to be something Apple extend beyond the iPhone.
Well, the integration of Google tech in iPhone is likely just the beginning of this. And I agree, I would like Gmail to replace .Mac email and would like iChat to drop AIM servers in favor of Google Talk as the main integrated tech. Maybe iChat wouldn't suck so much, then.SanjuroTsubaki said:
And as for dropping Mac mini, I would think that Apple would keep that computer line to appease IT departments. I mean, most workplaces already have a bunch of monitors and stuff, so a Mac mini office environment would make a lot of sense, in terms of cost savings, depending on the needs of the office.
Timbuktu said:
Well WWDC usually sees new hardware or big news of some description.
2004 was the new displays, 2005 the move to Intel, 2006 the Mac Pro.
Also if the rumour of the iMac going brushed aluminium and being repositioned as a slightly more high-end machine is true, then that would fit nicely with WWDC. Especially if it's accompanied by an iPhone SDK announcement, and multi-touch turns out to be an integral feature of Leopard for things like the new iMac and maybe new displays as well.
I love my Mini. I still don't like the idea of having my screen built into my computer so MacBook and iMacs are out for me. But they might unveil somthing that blows my mind. However I'm not the richest person and $1000+ is pretty steep. Even my Mini cost that at time of purchase.Terrell said:
Terrell said:
Uhh... wait. AIM is like the most used IM software in the States. Google Talk is the most used IM software... uhh, where? From what I understand, Google Talk is Google + Jabber. iChat is AIM + Jabber. What sense would it make for Apple to drop AIM in favor of Google Talk support? If they want to add it in addition to AIM, great, but dropping AIM for Google seems utterly stupid.
Nash said:
The problem is, I've heard the rumor a few times that Jobs and Co. aren't terribly fond of the Finder, and that's part of the reason there hasn't been a lot of serious work put into it. Something needs to be done, though: either Apple needs to get off their ass and make the Finder worth a damn, or give us their "next great thing" replacement already.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the fact that AIM and MSN are the most-used IM clients on the internet just goes to prove that people love bloatware and/or have little to no taste in quality. And yeah, more than half of the problems with iChat occur because the service operates on AIM servers, so you can't blame someone for wanting Apple to trade up. But I would be willing to settle for better integration of Google Talk's features in iChat.shidoshi said:
EDIT: It also occurs to me that Google Talk servers can interface with users of AIM... so yeah, replace AIM servers with Google Talk once video conferencing is in place, and you still get communication with "the most-used IM client in North America" and better back-end tech powering the whole thing.
Phoenix
Member
Terrell said:
AIM and MSN protocols are the most used because they were the first available and they didn't suck. Google leverages the Jabber protocol and the Jabber protocol XMPP while cool is limited in a number of areas - especially as it relates to guaranteed functionality on the servers. While there are XMPP bridges to MSN, AIM, YIM, etc. by and large they suck and miss critical functionality outside of being able to just send text chats. If Google really wants to innovate in this area, they need to push that server product into the Google Summer of Code and stop bullshitting around. Until then, AIM and MSN will be superior clients because they are sitting atop superior protocol implementations.
Phoenix
Member
shidoshi said:
The Finder is being replaced - mark those words. The current Finder is atrocious, but a marked step up from where it was when OSX first started. On 10.4 I would sooner stab out my own eyes than try to manage network shares via the finder. Heaven forbid they aren't Samba based...