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The Official Final Fantasy 12 (NA) Thread
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I blame this entirely on Square Enix's shoulders. The shitstorm involving Matsuno's MIA and departure during the game really turned the world upside down. I think it also relates to the fact that quite a few RPG nuts really respect Matsuno's developments and therefore there's the arguments of; it lived upto the hype and it didn't live upto it.Error2k4 said:
As someone who feels like they are probably the biggest FFXII fan in the world 
)), I don't really have a problem with Trin's impressions. I disagree strongly, but I do think that people should have opinions from both sides. The thing is, people have played the game. You're going to see that in this thread, and you're going to see that on review sites, and in magazines. It's inescapable, unfortunately, and I don't think this thread ever had a chance to be like the Japanese thread because of that. Impressions have been out there for a while, and people have read them, unlike with the Japanese release where only a few magazines scored it.
Now, something I don't think should happen is someone canceling their preorder due to someone's impressions. I've never actually understood that. Then again, if one person's impressions can change your outlook of the game, you probably weren't looking forward to the game very much, I guess.
)), I don't really have a problem with Trin's impressions. I disagree strongly, but I do think that people should have opinions from both sides. The thing is, people have played the game. You're going to see that in this thread, and you're going to see that on review sites, and in magazines. It's inescapable, unfortunately, and I don't think this thread ever had a chance to be like the Japanese thread because of that. Impressions have been out there for a while, and people have read them, unlike with the Japanese release where only a few magazines scored it.Now, something I don't think should happen is someone canceling their preorder due to someone's impressions. I've never actually understood that. Then again, if one person's impressions can change your outlook of the game, you probably weren't looking forward to the game very much, I guess.
Aeana said:As someone who feels like they are probably the biggest FFXII fan in the world
Right, I'm not stopping them. I just think it's silly that the point so far has been to try to throw as much water on the hype as possible; certainly Trin essentially said as much. That's silly, and it's not fair to people who want a relatively untainted experience leading up to the game. It's not impossible, contrary to belief. But things like this make it so.
I agree that opinions from both sides are needed. I just think we could have started off positively until the game is at least out for US GAFers. This 'raining on the parade' stuff really ruins the mood.
yeah I agree with you completely (I mean Aena), wanting this thread to be without any negative impressions or wanting it to be 'pure' and 'innocent' is really silly imo.
overreacting over someone throwing his 2 cents about the game is also pretty silly specially when this thread has seen numerous positive impressions from other people that have already play the game, seeing two sides of the coin is never a bad thing.
I would understand Amir0x being mad if trin would have kept saying 'ff12 sucks because of this' every two or so posts, but c'mon it was only one post and people blew it out of proportion.
I mean if you arent going allow 'negative' impressions then you shouldnt also allow 'positive' impressions.
overreacting over someone throwing his 2 cents about the game is also pretty silly specially when this thread has seen numerous positive impressions from other people that have already play the game, seeing two sides of the coin is never a bad thing.
I would understand Amir0x being mad if trin would have kept saying 'ff12 sucks because of this' every two or so posts, but c'mon it was only one post and people blew it out of proportion.
I mean if you arent going allow 'negative' impressions then you shouldnt also allow 'positive' impressions.
dark_preacher
Member
Amir0x said:
having played ffx in english and fully understanding the game i'd give it 8.3 to 8.5 range. it's a great game but i disliked the sphere grid. i really liked the fast-paced battle system, though.
below are a list of games that i would rate in the 9.x area -
chrono trigger
ff6/3
mgs3
suikoden 2
pds
tactics ogre
fft
dragon warrior 4
dragon quest viii
Error2k4 said:
It's just a matter of timing. The game isn't out for US GAFers, so the courtesy could be extended to allow us that sort of experience. That's why I said it was nice of Bebpo to wait until Valkyrie Profile 2:Silmeria was out before he started bringing his negative viewpoints, because at least then people were playing the game and deciding for themselves one way or another. When the game is out, I expect both negative and positive opinions to pour in from all sides.
Major hype and anticipation by its nature is gonna be on the positive side, but if you're going out of your way to try to regulate that hype or 'warn people' about the game for some reason that really ruins the mood and cripples the thread early on because people don't get that untainted experience.
dark_preacher
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just to throw in a couple things about ffxii so people don't get the wrong idea. i fully expect the game to rise into the same bracket as ffx score for me personally, once i play it in english. it seems like it has the makings of a great story and a large ensemble cast that i'll enjoy seeing them play off of each other in the english dub.
also i'm a completionist type gamer so i was doing a lot of the hunts early on so that forced me into some level grinding. if you skip stuff like the hunts and just play the story i'm sure the beginning wouldn't seem to drag on for quite so long.
also i'm a completionist type gamer so i was doing a lot of the hunts early on so that forced me into some level grinding. if you skip stuff like the hunts and just play the story i'm sure the beginning wouldn't seem to drag on for quite so long.
thetrin
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Amir0x said:
hype1 [hahyp] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, hyped, hyp‧ing, noun Informal.
–verb (used with object) 1. to stimulate, excite, or agitate (usually fol. by up): She was hyped up at the thought of owning her own car.
2. to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods; promote or publicize showily: a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight.
3. to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually fol. by up).
4. to trick; gull.
–noun 5. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
6. an ingenious or questionable claim, method, etc., used in advertising, promotion, or publicity to intensify the effect.
7. a swindle, deception, or trick.
Take whichever meaning is right for you.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Some people will like the game some people don't, so I don't think TheTrin was out of line of what he wrote.....but I agree with Amirox is that the game is still 3 weeks away and if TheTrin had something to bash about he should have waited until eveybody can play the game and can place his comments in the proper context of their own experiences.
Anyway I am pretty sure I will like the game! From what I read (postive and negative) it really sounds like my kind of game, except maybe my biggest gripe will be the weak storyline. On the otherhand FF games never have strong storylines to begin with, so it would be nothing new.
Anyway I am pretty sure I will like the game! From what I read (postive and negative) it really sounds like my kind of game, except maybe my biggest gripe will be the weak storyline. On the otherhand FF games never have strong storylines to begin with, so it would be nothing new.
i don't see why people that already played the game can't post their impression
i already know that all the japanese gaffer didn't like Rogue Galaxy but that doesn't make me
want to play it less,hell i even remember negative comment on a Devil Summoner thread but i don't remember all this happening though i could say it was because 1) Devil Summoner isn't called Final Fantasy 2) people were too busy into finding Satan, instead since his complaint sounds valid it make me have a more realistic vision about the game so if the game is going to be disappointing for me then its not going to be SO disappointing
i already know that all the japanese gaffer didn't like Rogue Galaxy but that doesn't make me
want to play it less,hell i even remember negative comment on a Devil Summoner thread but i don't remember all this happening though i could say it was because 1) Devil Summoner isn't called Final Fantasy 2) people were too busy into finding Satan, instead since his complaint sounds valid it make me have a more realistic vision about the game so if the game is going to be disappointing for me then its not going to be SO disappointing
Amir0x said:
Ami, dude, as much as I love the game, it's good to get a clear picture of it out. Especially as Scarlet, of all people, probably wasn't intending to make a drooling hype thread out. (Also, especially as a lot of the 'complaints' about it are pure joy nuggets to the people who'll really like it.)
And, hell, we can't even keep it positive until release for stuff the US doesn't get screwed on release date for. At least this way, we can have a mainly factual conversation, with the realization that FF12 is a game, albeit IMO an excellent one, rather than the second coming; I hate to be the one arguing -against- it being as good, especially having debated with most of the detractors elsewhere over it, but an absolute refusal to recogzize the chance of a flaw, or allow it to be known, spits as much on the fans of the game like myself or, say, Aeana who just posted, as it does those who WERE NOT INTERESTED.
Mandoric said:
See, nobody is refusing to recognize it. We've had a billion threads already debating the merits or lack thereof of FFXII. All I said was that for the official US FFXII thread, it'd be better if we held off on the extreme negativity until AFTER the game is out in US consumers hands. This ability was there for those who played the Japanese version, and as a general rule it's waaay better to go into an experience untainted by such negativity and allow the experience to speak for itself.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
I'm not trying to derail this thread, and troll. I am warning those who may have a skewed impression of what the game provides. There have been games in the past that I thought I would enjoy, but upon playing it, I came face to face with gameplay elements that made me say "why didn't someone tell me it was like this?"
If people like FF12, and it sells well, then that's cool. The game deserves to sell well if people enjoy it. It's just ridiculous to offer opinions that are completely from one side or the other.
If people like FF12, and it sells well, then that's cool. The game deserves to sell well if people enjoy it. It's just ridiculous to offer opinions that are completely from one side or the other.
Adagio said:
A little context here please, "media hype" is not a term that applies to the conversation we are having about the word. We're talking about people who are hyped for a game called Final Fantasy XII. If you're not hyped or if you weren't interested chances are you would not be participating in this thread. But if you're concerned and worried about the end product, chances are you're not hyped. You're apprehensive.
Adagio said:
Yes, I do think someone who writes "I couldn't even finish the game, I despised the experience" is defined as "extreme negativity" yes.
Jcgamer60 said:lol, yeah i should have said negative impressions
Anyway, again, post negative impressions! I wasn't going to stop it, I was just complaining about it because already the thread is sullied with that crap before the game is even out. It's extremely odd when a huge game like this has people intentionally posting negative opinions before it's even out in that specific territory for the sole purpose of 'warning' them, so it's annoying to say the least.
I'm talking about people who have the desire to regulate the hype in this thread. As I have already pointed out, said hype need not always be positive. You don't want any of that hype--that interest--in this game to be that of concern. Amir0x...you....you are a regulator. :OAmir0x said:
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Amir0x said:
Anyway, again, post negative impressions! I wasn't going to stop it, I was just complaining about it because already the thread is sullied with that crap before the game is even out. It's extremely odd when a huge game like this has people intentionally posting negative opinions before it's even out in that specific territory for the sole purpose of 'warning' them, so it's annoying to say the least.
I wasn't aware my crap impressions were sullying this precious diamond of a circle jerk.
JPgaffers gushed about yakuza, and a bunch of people hated it. They backlashed. I'm saying I disliked FF12, and there's backlash. Maybe we should just stop providing any impressions at all.
TheTrin said:
I said 'this crap' as a relative term, because it's annoying to read before the game is even out. Note that part, it's in the timing. It's easier to relate when we actually have the game, because then like you specifically said you want to 'warn' us and it comes off as trying to pour water on the hype. Rest assured, your negative impressions were very negative and well written!
thetrin
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Amir0x said:
I'm not warning you that "WATCH OUT! YOU WILL ALL HATE FFXII!"
I'm warning those who may not know the whole picture on the balancing within the game. Often times, a feature list won't tell you that a game takes a lot of grinding, or that money is super tight and hard to get for some time.
I loved FF3, but I did the same thing. Many casual gamers said "I would love to pick up FF3 on DS" and I warned them: "You may not like it. It's not a very friendly game. Here's why..."
If I loved FF12, I would do the same thing. Gamers have a right to know what to watch out for when a game releases.
I just saw the entire opening scene.
Holy shit its kinda big hein? And to those who saw it, anybody get the feeling that it feels alot like star wars or something? It was kinda weird actually. I also think the CG was not quite up to par with FFX, at least on the characters, but it doesn't help that i was seeing it on a HDTV with no component.
Holy shit its kinda big hein? And to those who saw it, anybody get the feeling that it feels alot like star wars or something? It was kinda weird actually. I also think the CG was not quite up to par with FFX, at least on the characters, but it doesn't help that i was seeing it on a HDTV with no component.
dark_preacher
Member
Amir0x said:
so just out of curiosity, how do you rate my impressions? negative or positive?
i'm not trying to get in on the hate bandwagon here, as i am fairly new to posting but a longtime lurker. i don't dislike anyone and i don't really see the need to personally attack anyone over their opinion of how this thread is going.
overall i think people should just stick to posting previews for the na release and truthful impressions about the jp import. if someone played it and didn't have a good time, then it is definately their perogative to write about it.
on the same note, it's definately everyone else's perogative to ignore it if they so wish.
dark_preacher
Member
i think it's the updated airships along with the evil 'empire' overtones.
also some of vaan's backstory kind of lends itself to a luke-esque feel. trying to be vague and spoiler free here.
also some of vaan's backstory kind of lends itself to a luke-esque feel. trying to be vague and spoiler free here.
dark_preacher
Member
Amir0x said:
the balthier and fran is dead on, lol. balthier also has a kind of jack sparrow feel to him. maybe jack and the chick pirate or whatever could work as well.
basche could be obi wan, i guess.
I'm guessing this is mainly due to the fact that the CG is trying to stay on par with the polygon models themselves. It stayed quite consistent within the game as far that I played.PleoMax said:
Dunno about you, but whenever it would seamlessly switch from Tidus low-poly model, then to high-poly model in-game and then to Tidus CG, it made me shake my head in disbelief.