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ant1532 said:
Very, very doubtful. You've got a few places to go, one of which
will probably take 4-6 hours on its own to get through.
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Very, very doubtful. You've got a few places to go, one of which
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ant1532 said:
Well obviously you have to decide. Class tomorrow, or buy some no-doz today and don't go to class tomorrow.
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Good luck!
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Never used it.
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What's it do? Does it bounce back physical damage or something? Is it like the '????'/Revenge ability? Is it like that Blue Magic that switches status ailments from caster to target?
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Oh.
My Arms Your Hearse
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Bubble spell/bubble belt doubles your max HP... bringing the character to the max and possibly being able to surive a hit when reverse is down.
so i beat the game. i'm satisfied, i guess. that's all.
this game just didn't feel epic imo. in retrospect, the only memorable character in this game is Balthier. i felt that the other characters' relationships w/ each other did not develop well (or at all.)
i dunno, i just didn't FEEL the FANTASY in this game; it's way too political and SCI-FI. i guess that's the only disappointing part about this game.
overall, however, it's a FUN game; but, as far as story goes, i'd rank this below FFX.
this game just didn't feel epic imo. in retrospect, the only memorable character in this game is Balthier. i felt that the other characters' relationships w/ each other did not develop well (or at all.)
i dunno, i just didn't FEEL the FANTASY in this game; it's way too political and SCI-FI. i guess that's the only disappointing part about this game.
overall, however, it's a FUN game; but, as far as story goes, i'd rank this below FFX.
Even though I wish the combat had much more depth... this game definitely got dungeon crawling and exploration right. Treasure hunting is very addicting...
Still, loads of fun.
I'm finally back in Rabanastre. So I finally get the chance to explore all those areas I couldn't at the beginning of the game. I blow through the Westernsand and I stubble across this weird cavern. Monsters in there are a bit tougher then me, but I can take them. First treasure I find Is a Burning Bow... which is twice as powerful as my prized Ancient Sword. So of course I have to keep going. All that loot I might find... I just couldn't turn back. So I keep going avoiding enemies that are twice my level. Eventually I come across this super tornado bird.... That was the end of that. :lol
Still, loads of fun.
fusoya59 said:
Ugh. I couldn't disagree more. I think FFX's plot is typical, campy, and told through the eyes of a whiny, unlikeable lead.
FFXII? The story is finally not about superpowered evil beings bent on world destruction. Its a story of political intrigue much deeper and serious than any FF has ever touched upon. Its not outlandishly ridiculous like all the past Final Fantasies, and I like that. Its much easier to feel in touch with a story that involves real people acting like real people.
The voice-acting completely sodomizes FFX, as well. Not to mention that every character (save the rather worthless Penelo) reaches Auron-levels of awesome in their own right.
But yeah, the game is also very fun.
My Arms Your Hearse
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So I just got the uber weapon that you have to avoid chests for. Ooh so nice. Kind of funny, though, if you know what to avoid you can get this thing pretty early with some good planning. Probably the easiest by far to get actually if you know going in.
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RegularMK said:
If we were talking about the first 1/3rd of FFXII, I'd agree. However, I totally disagree with you when looking at the whole picture. I think FFX is a far more competently told and interesting story by the end with a world that's really fleshed out although the presentation isn't nearly as good as FFXII.
Shouta said:
what does that even mean? better in focus? you mean how's it's on rails most of the game? planning events? FFX didn't have anything exciting going on as far as events are concerned, really. i'd take FFVII even over X. I don't even know what you mean by planning.
I suppose considering the story of FFX more cohesive is understandable, since it totally comes at the expense of any sort of non-linearity.
I know many people consider FFXII's story disjointed since the gameplay segments in between the story telling are generally longer than what we're used to, but I definitely prefer it. I don't like being led through a RPG by the hand. I like deciding when I'm going to continue the story segments, and if I want a break from the story, I can go hunt marks or do other side quests.
FFXII really seems to have taken a page (or several) from western RPGs, and it really seems to be polarizing among RPG fans.
I know many people consider FFXII's story disjointed since the gameplay segments in between the story telling are generally longer than what we're used to, but I definitely prefer it. I don't like being led through a RPG by the hand. I like deciding when I'm going to continue the story segments, and if I want a break from the story, I can go hunt marks or do other side quests.
FFXII really seems to have taken a page (or several) from western RPGs, and it really seems to be polarizing among RPG fans.
Shouta said:
Hmmm....
FFX was essentially playing an RPG on rails, it was so linear. So maybe that helped the "focus", but FFXII succeeds in every conceivable way where FFX failed - it's a mature (in the real sense of the word) political thriller which still manages to hit on the classic FF themes. Now, granted, I have not played these mystical last five hours so I mean it's conceivable since this is an FF game that Vaan will turn into a fairy demigod who swims in the ocean and is cleverly enough named, oh I don't know, Sin... (AND THEN HE WAKES UP, AS IF IN A DREAM)... but I don't know this is like such an awesome change of tone.
Presentation in FFXII, as you noted, is superior. But I think to say that's the only thing that is superior is shortchanging FFXII. You are right, the emphasis on characters is lessened here... but because FF series so consistently has those unbelievably cheesy characters with the ridiculous focus on shitty writing and characterization anyway... I think it's a substantial improvement when the 'focus' shifts elsewhere.
i'm not sure what you mean by 'planning and events', so you may have to explain that one to me.
AniHawk said:
Well yeah, but FFX kinda gets that by default. If tight pacing like that means the absurd linearity of FFX, then it's not really a benefit in my mind anyway. I much prefer the huge explorable landscapes and vast dungeons of FFXII, because it makes earning those story scenes or whatever that much more rewarding.
i don't know if i WANT my FFs to be like that. i want my FF to be a JRPG forever. i dunno, i just thought this FF was a pretty big departure from the previous FFs where the focus was on "cheesy character developments" and linear story telling.RegularMK said:
and besides, i thought the game was fairly linear, considering you were given hints on the map screen as to where to go next. you indeed had the CHOICE of whether or not you should advance, but so did all the previous FFs.
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RegularMK said:
I'm not talking about the flow of the game; I'm talking about what the story focuses on and presents. Does the storyline continue focusing on a specific events or does it decide to go off into a different plotline and ditch whatever they were building up? These are the sort of things that I'm talking about.
The linear nature of FFX does not detract nor does it really add anything to the storyline. It could have free roaming gameplay like FFXII does but the actual story would still be focused and cohesive.
Linearity and non-linearity may add or subtract from the focus on a story but in the end it depends on how the events are structured, their relevance to the storyline, and a whole slew of story-related things. You can still have a fantastic story between huge sections of gameplay non-linear gameplay and you can still have a horribly structured and planned story in the most linear game ever.
Avalon said:
Neither does simply having a "mature" setting or political intrigue. It's only one part of the bigger picture.
Amir0x said:
As I pointed out to RegularMK, focus relates to the actual storyline. Does it focus on the same storyline or does it focus on push what's built up to focus on another plotline? Are the events significant to the primary storyline and make sense for it. Those are the things I'm talking about.
Amir0x said:
I don't think FFXII is any better from the other FF games based on just characters. In some cases, I think it's worse than some of the other FF games. FFXII just has less of what you dislike and more of what I dislike.
Amir0x said:
Come on Amir0x! For someone that's so adamant about the terrible stories in JRPGs, I would think it would be obviously apparent what I meant.
AniHawk said:
That's one part of it.
fusoya59 said:
Judging by your name, I'd be able to guess you're definitely into the more classic JRPG
Its doesn't feel like a western RPG, if that's what you're talking about. The story is slightly less "Japanese" in that it feels pretty grounded and realistic compared to other the other Final Fantasies that are definitely more... out there. The gameplay feels somewhat inspired by possibly KotOR or Baldur's Gate.
It still feels plenty Japanese, to me. I like a good JRPG, myself.
Shouta said:
Well, I've yet to reach the apparent "falling apart" of the story, so maybe I'll be singing a different tune after I finish the game. As it stands, however, I am definitely enjoying the story that's being told much more than FFX. That's obviously subjective, but thusfar I don't see either with a superior method of storytelling.
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RegularMK said:
For story telling, I think both are pretty sharp. However, I think FFXII fails in having plot points or storyline events that are relevant to what is percieved to be the main storyline whereas FFX doesn't.
I think most people are expecting the game to go totally bonkers when I say "falls apart" which is only true for the last 5-10 hours of the game. I've continually said since the JP launch that the story is slowly rolling off the cliff and finally does at the end of the game. That's what I mean by "falls apart".
Your view on it may differ but from the perspective I'm viewing the story, it does.
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Shouta said:
Ok, now I understand what you mean. I suppose this is contingent on the story falling apart at some point, particularly near the end. So until then I guess I'm not qualified to say if this is the case until I experience it. I will say, about 55 hours in... I'm still thinking it's a big improvement over past FF games.
Shouta said:
yeah... that's too non-confrontational, though, it's better to be bitter about it and say you're just evil and hate good things
Shouta said:
I don't know, it just didn't hit me the way you said it! But with the explanations, I understand now.
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Final Fantasy X reeks, there is no eloquent way of addressing how I feel about that pile of unplayable, unreadable, ear poisoning slop! I can't even replay through it, I've tried to give it second chances! Twice! I get bored out of my skull by the time I hit Besaid. =/
Maybe I'll try again, and make a thread to yell at Shouta! Damn Wild Arms lover!
Less X, more XII.
And Final Fantasy originated as being more maintained and "western in theme." FF through FFVI say hi, a bit of actual quality writing to the American script and some faux accents on the voice actors for charm and immersiveness don't cause that to falter.
But of course, as soon as we get something with some dignity and restraint, here comes FFXIII and Versus XIII, which make me want to gouge my eyes out.
I hate Tetsuya Nomura character designs with ever fiber of my being >;(
Maybe I'll try again, and make a thread to yell at Shouta! Damn Wild Arms lover!
Less X, more XII.
And Final Fantasy originated as being more maintained and "western in theme." FF through FFVI say hi, a bit of actual quality writing to the American script and some faux accents on the voice actors for charm and immersiveness don't cause that to falter.
But of course, as soon as we get something with some dignity and restraint, here comes FFXIII and Versus XIII, which make me want to gouge my eyes out.
I hate Tetsuya Nomura character designs with ever fiber of my being >;(
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Amir0x said:
I think it's pretty evident after the
fall of the Leviathan and the battle with Vossler
The game is set out as a very politically charged FF game and I expected that the story was going to stay like that for most of it while introducing the fantasy elements. Instead, we're pushed along a pretty standard FF plot that puts the characters outside the main conflict and basically wasting the incredible setup. Then the last 10 or so hours occurred and it was like they just jumped off the cliff.
Amir0x said:yeah... that's too non-confrontational, though, it's better to be bitter about it and say you're just evil and hate good things
*cues Futurama soundclip* I win!
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DON'T BELIEVE ONDORE'S LIES!
That is so awesome.
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Alex said:
I was so hyped for XIII's direction a few months ago..... but that was before I played XII.
I had resigned myself to the fact that FF was forever going to be a teen emo anime fantasy, and from that perspective, a Matrixed up superhero FF was looking to be the best case scenario...
...but it isn't.... XII is the best case scenario!
Let's hope for the best. Unlike some people, I don't fear Advent Children action.... but I do fear faux melodrama and emo angst.
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XIII is pretty as hell and hideous.... as hell... at the same time.
I just cannot stand Nomura, and every installation his designs manage to get FRUTIER. There has to be a term for his modern day designs, and how they appear. The costume design is just so, so bad....
The big plus of XIII being the main character is a woman, who looks like she can kill things without crying. That alone is pretty ground breaking for a JRPG.
His Elvaan and Hume work on XI were ok though! But it's not like you could **** those up.
I just cannot stand Nomura, and every installation his designs manage to get FRUTIER. There has to be a term for his modern day designs, and how they appear.
The costume design is just so, so bad....The big plus of XIII being the main character is a woman, who looks like she can kill things without crying. That alone is pretty ground breaking for a JRPG.
His Elvaan and Hume work on XI were ok though! But it's not like you could **** those up.
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I like Nomura's designs when he isn't being all whacky with some of the clothing. The FF8 designs were fantastic and a number of FF10 ones were great too. I don't particularly like his leads most of the time though but then again, I don't think there's ever been a particularly well designed FF lead.
That said, I'm pretty psyched for XIII because it looks like it may use the FFX-2 combat system or a variation of it.
That said, I'm pretty psyched for XIII because it looks like it may use the FFX-2 combat system or a variation of it.