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xxjuicesxx
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K heres what I see. April 20th XBLive thread Frankie goes Halo 3 is a fad Shishka goes:
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Originally Posted by OuterWorldVoice:
Halo 3 is just a fad.
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See thats the problem. Shishka sits in his office, everyone continues to play Halo 3 because its "the best" out there. And the #'s show Halo 3 on top. The only problem is Halo 2 was on top, Halo 3 copied the playlists over basically and nothing has changed, its stale as fuck, but the #'s continue to show Shishka is doing a decent job.
The fact is you aren't doing shit to keep the game afloat Shishka, Halo 3 could just be a video on replay of two Master Chiefs Double-Dutch-Ruddering each other and the game would still be somewhere in the Top 10 because of the Halo name attached.
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Originally Posted by OuterWorldVoice:
Halo 3 is just a fad.
FIRE SHI-(neutral) Shishka
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See thats the problem. Shishka sits in his office, everyone continues to play Halo 3 because its "the best" out there. And the #'s show Halo 3 on top. The only problem is Halo 2 was on top, Halo 3 copied the playlists over basically and nothing has changed, its stale as fuck, but the #'s continue to show Shishka is doing a decent job.
The fact is you aren't doing shit to keep the game afloat Shishka, Halo 3 could just be a video on replay of two Master Chiefs Double-Dutch-Ruddering each other and the game would still be somewhere in the Top 10 because of the Halo name attached.
neoism said:
I like playing Guardian LW because there's radar and Shishka is too lazy to even remove the OS from the map, so one person always spawns right next to it.
I started playing Lone Wolves a few weeks ago for fun just because I had never tried it before and I must say I am completely blown away by how terrible this playlist is. It is a triumphant piece of the enormous brown log that is the playlists.
Hey at least we get a new double exp weekend this week.... oh whoops yeah it's Shishka reusing a terrible playlist that was cut a year ago my bad. Thought he put some effort in. Hey at least some of the weapon times in heavy variants are changed. That May update is gonna be so sick! Shishka am win
edit. Vetoed ARs High Ground and got Oddball Epilogue. You've beaten me Shishka. I can't do this. You win my friend, you win.
backflip10019
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Hey I happen to like double-dutch-rudders.xxjuicesxx said:
I played one Multi-team last night and got Crazy King on default Foundry. Not only is the map terrible for such a gametype (and overall, period), but I must admit it's nice having two guys spawning right above you while you control the hill directly below. Two grenades later, you spawn on the opposing side of the map.
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I still don't understand why the back rooms haven't been blocked off for Oddball games on default Foundry. It's so easy to just camp right on the bubble shield with the ball and get a huge amount of time. The bubble shields and the back rooms ruin it completely.
GM Bullfrog
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EazyB said:
2nd word?
BladedExpert
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GM Bullfrog said:
Banana
Mr. Enigma
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GM Bullfrog said:
is an idiot.
backflip10019
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???????Shishka said:
Domino Theory
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LOL VH gets the boot for Shishka's mistake.
The Librarian
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I hope this thread doesn't get as nasty as I am expecting it to be.
Domino Theory said:
Hardly. It's not exactly a logical leap to say "Hey, a single grenade can help people slip out of the map. Surely this will be used extensively in Matchmaking, where many people care more about victory than playing Halo." That picture someone posted of the guys hiding underneath Narrows a page or two back? That should be a warning sign for everyone that wants to submit a map for matchmaking.
vh didn't get "booted." His map got rejected for a fairly obvious reason. I didn't give him the ban that's listed clearly in the rules because I at some point accidentally removed that particular item from the showstoppers list.
backflip10019
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Wait so maps with instant death spawns are ok in Doubles but Vhfive's really solid map isn't good because you can somehow get out of it? Lame.
thanks for not banningShishka said:
nah definitely my mistake i thought i blocked every area off that might allow people to escape.Domino Theory said:
this actually gives me a reason to go back.
i have some ideas that will free up some budget and who knows i might be able to put some more lighting in
backflip10019 said:
I asked for a film of this happening and so far, nobody has provided. Further, I've not seen a similar complaint mentioned anywhere else, so there has been nobody else to ask for films. I've looked at the variant and there are no spawns out of place.
Help me help you.
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Shishka said:
When you say "outside the map" do you mean in a plce that has no escape? or just on geometry that isnt really designed for gameplay but is still visible? Because you can grenade jump onto the outer wall of Mage but its all visible . theres nowhere to go once you're up there. Youre basically just a higher up target :/
xxjuicesxx
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Shishka!
BladedExpert said:
In the filmclip I made for vh in my fileshare, I was running along the outer wall, outside the play area of the map. His walls are not flush to the walls of the crypt, and as such a simply grenade jump was all I needed to be able to drop on top of and then next to the map.
To put it another way, if the map had been made by someone that wasn't on GAF, and I accepted it into Matchmaking as is, you guys would go to town gnashing your teeth, taking screenshots of exploiters in action, and making new "Fire Shishka" avatars.
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Rickard said:
That would require someone to not be greedy. Forget about that these days.
xxjuicesxx
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Shishka said:
Wrong we would say FIX IT. You wouldn't, and then we would sport Fire Shishka avatars. If you just did shit it would be fine.
It doesn't matter if something is borked a bit the first time through a LITTLE, just PUT it out there and THEN fix the problems with it. This is how it works.
Don't act like you guys (Bungie) Haven't put shit out with obvious faults into MM. I could name them if you want to be reminded.
The Librarian
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vhfive said:
I know we all support GAF maps as much as we can but let's be serious about this folks. You guys are getting up in an uproar because of a true and legitimate fault in vhfive's map which vhfive himself has acknowledged and is willing to fix. It's not the end of the world. This is just phase 1 of the Atlas/matchmaking process. I would rather that this map be fixed now as opposed to it getting pulled from matchmaking because some kids found a fault like this in mm.
If you guys are this adamant about defending Sanctum, think about the legions of Matchmaking players out there that will be picking apart this map from every pixel.
"OMG! Check out this film from Sanctum or <insert map name here>! I threw a nade at the guy with the flag and my grenade got stuck in a crack in the wall! WTF Bungle! FIX THIS SHIT!"
Getting out of maps is a critical exploit. It should be something anyone submitting a map is aware of preventing whether it was in the showstoppers list or not.
Good luck to vhfive to fixing this in his map. I'm sure it can be done.
If you guys are this adamant about defending Sanctum, think about the legions of Matchmaking players out there that will be picking apart this map from every pixel.
"OMG! Check out this film from Sanctum or <insert map name here>! I threw a nade at the guy with the flag and my grenade got stuck in a crack in the wall! WTF Bungle! FIX THIS SHIT!"
Getting out of maps is a critical exploit. It should be something anyone submitting a map is aware of preventing whether it was in the showstoppers list or not.
Good luck to vhfive to fixing this in his map. I'm sure it can be done.
The Librarian
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Completely agreed. Good post.FourDoor said:
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I see. Thanks for clarifying.vhfive said:
Domino Theory
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FourDoor said:
True, I sorta lashed out without knowing all the details. For that part, I apologize.
But I REALLY want vh's map to get approved because it brings hope for the Gemini Remake in the SkyBubble and "Blockout" (the best Lockout remake in Halo 3; beats Blackout in every way, shape and form and stays true to Lockout) to be considered into MM.
Domino Theory said:
I've got no problem adding remakes to Matchmaking, so if that's your concern you can put it to bed.
Though, adding a remake of a map that's already been remade strikes me as a little strange.
Anyway, it's up to the authors to sack up and actually submit their maps for review.
Good post. To add to this:FourDoor said:
We complain a lot about what makes it into matchmaking. Maps have issues, we don't like balance, etc. So we should apply at least the same level of criticism to our own maps. The reaction to Sanctum's rejection has been telling: "hey these other maps have issues so why not let OUR map in that also has know, fixable issues?" I don't see how that will help the situation.
If anything, it shows that Shishka really does take this seriously. He's human, Bungie doesn't catch everything, some issues make it through every possible system you could set up. But to criticize the system when it DOES find legitimate issues after all the bitching about problems (real and perceived) in existing matchmaking maps is beyond hypocrisy.
Total side note: I'm hoping to get two more films on Entrenched this weekend, and submit to Atlas shortly after. One Slayer, and one Neutral Assault. Both will need 6+ players on each team. I know there's a lot of new maps to play but hopefully you guys don't mind playing twice on the same map. We can spread it to two weeks of you'd prefer.
backflip10019
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It just seems a bit hypocritical because Bungie released some of the original maps with critical exploits, for example:FourDoor said:
Construct1: You can jump down through the bottom purple to the bottom of the map and do nothing.
Construct2: Grenade jumping up to the top of lobby where you can sit unnoticed for the majority of the game.
Pit1: Hiding under the stairs on either side.
Pit2: Jumping the Oddball up to the attic.
Narrows: Jumping to the bottom of the map.
Guardian: Jumping to the top middle of the map.
Standoff: Just fucking sucks.
See? Lots of errors and yet still these problems remained in MM forever and some still exist.
Domino Theory
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Shishka said:
Play Blackout (not BUNGLE's Blowout), then call me in the morning.
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