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There is only one way to appeal to everyone without anyone complaining about what weapon they are starting with.... Brute Shot starts.

Just think about it for a second.
 
Great tales, Bagel. :lol

So yesterday I left my map here:

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Next step, set out the parts for the new base. Sort of a build a burger for bases. So I guess that makes it build a base. Hmm.

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Both done, with central structures and bridges:


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I decided against the man cannon-over-the-wall approach. With the bases in the corners, I couldn't find a way to make them work. So now there's a tunnel under center, which I think will help the map flow a bit better. Which means I abandoned two of my three core ideas as I went. So it goes.

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From space:

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It's sufficiently different from anything else I've done that I'm pretty pleased with it. I still have some geometry to place in the open corners - another "away spawn" location - then do some touch up, spawns, weapons/equipment and objectives. I'm hoping to have something ready for customs tomorrow, but I'm not sure how much time I'll have to work on it between now and then.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Ugh. Look, there are things in matchmaking I don't like. What I know for a fact is that some of those things other people love. Shishka puts himself visibly in the line of fire for a lot of hate based on purely subjective criteria to balance the matchmaking so that it appeals to a wide range of people with utterly different tastes - and even if you don't like say, Duality with AR starts, somebody else does - and that fact ensures that there are more people playing the variations you do like.

So even when "Shishka" has picked something you don't like, it's a net benefit for the size and range of population.

Making specific jabs at his work ethic, or perceived respect for the fanbase is a slippery slope. Even if you hate everything you play - Shishka loves the fanbase, loves Halo, has a thankless, difficult job that guarantees he can't please everyone ever, and he works super hard.

Shishka sucks, Ghetto Lord British, animated gifs - these are all fair game - but going after his professional ethic without any context beyond the subjective, is not useful.

Just bullet point list the things you hate - it is easier for someone in his position to digest than: YOU ARE TERRIBLE and will have more practical effect and benefit for the things you don't like.

And let's remember that this thread is one of the best, healthiest and most maturely productive in all of NeoGaf. We can keep it that way, even as we pick on Juices.

Here's a drink and a salute to Shishka, who is an imperfect man with a ridiculous resemblance to Lord British, but a hard working and thoroughly decent, talented chap, who should be applauded and communicated to, not berated.

Don't let the bastards grind you down.
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Seems odd coming from a guy who said "no thanks" when asked if you'd take Shishka to 343i to be the Playlist Manager.
 
Earlier today I found myself doing trigonometry while planning out a map, and thus would like to issue a formal apology to my former Algebra teacher, Ms. Berlinger, to whom I bitched endlessly. I'm apologize, Ms. Berlinger, for my faltering faith. I now see the method to your madness.

But only some of it.
 
Mabef said:
Earlier today I found myself doing trigonometry while planning out a map.
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I think you're doing it wrong.

Edit: Speaking of the advanced mathematics and map making but maybe without the math, I've been working on something as well. Here's a Ghaleon-like progress report (your map looks great BTW Ghaleon).

I started the map like I do most of my maps, with the base. I wanted something similar to Blood Gulch's. I did so on both sides and had a bit of geometry in the middle. At that point I really didn't know what to do and things slowed down quite a bit. Had trouble deciding how to split the map up but I've put something kinda interesting to do so.

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After making most of the middle geometry I decided the bases were ugly and not all that interesting so I deleted them. Broke my heart because they probably took a combined total of 6 hours. Rebuilding the bases as something very different.

Old and new:
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Squidhand's BTB map sketchup inspired the base design. Here's a link to the post, but he broke his bandwidth so you can no longer see it.

Here's a closer look at the base:
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Still working on it and not completely happy with some of it but hopefully I'll have it done by next week.
 
I agree Frankie, I guess.

But nowadays everyone vetoes Team Slayer for Team Slayer BR's, even random kids want the BR's. Statistically more people want BR starts and even just going into Social you'll get matched up with kids every other game going "Veto for BR's guys", its almost generally accepted practices.

While Shishka has to choose and make himself the bad guy, he can simply make good choices and be the GOOD GUY. There has been good presidents and good bosses, it can happen. What hes doing is just sitting back and taking very little action.

Make Halo default BR/AR. This one man stands in the way of making Halo a game that could be so much better. Just look at it like NeoGAF being a small microcosm of Halo players, you have Forge BK's, and better players, and almost everyone eventually agree's BR starts are best, BR starts dominate our custom nights, because it works best. MLG Starts with BR because it works best, EVERYONE understands BR starts work best, Besides Shishka.

If you want you can even have a "Bungie Kids" playlist with default 50% AR 50% SMG starts, five hundred pieces of equipment, and have your Spartans randomly die every now and then to give all the teams a fair chancel, even the teams that are worse and should lose. That way everyone who wants this form of Halo can have their own little world to sit in and shoot and melee (its telling me the spelling is wrong here?) all day long.

Edit: I know you'll respond saying NeoGAF isn't an accurate sample of Halo fans, which I could argue also, but why cater to the players who only play a little even if they are massive in number, or do you only cater to the people who play more when it deals with purchasing of the DLC maps and then requiring them for playlists?
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Statistically more people want BR starts and even just going into Social you'll get matched up with kids every other game going "Veto for BR's guys", its almost generally accepted practices.
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:lol

At level 50 I'm sure most of the people you play with do so. The idiots that make up most of the Halo 3 population prefer ARs, and there's nothing anyone can do about it beyond going to each one individually, giving them some Ritalin, and hand-holding them through multiple aiming instructions. It's not like Shishka just keeps the weighting where it is because most of the veto data tells him to do the opposite.
 
Dax01 said:
This. My favorite film of the year.

Anything with a "D" and a "9" in the abbreviation is automatically awesome.
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Agreed.

Had a decent night of MLG matchmaking today. I feel my skills are almost at 100% Today I got my 50 back in MLG and solidified it with a few wins in a row. I also ran into a few cheaters and a few pros. We also played against some semi-pros and did some work against a few of them. It was overall a pretty good MLG matchmaking night.

Here is the game with the cheaters...http://www.bungie.net/Stats/GameStatsHalo3.aspx?gameid=1301841424&player=NYSTOFMIND23
 
EazyB said:
:lol

At level 50 I'm sure most of the people you play with do so. The idiots that make up most of the Halo 3 population prefer ARs, and there's nothing anyone can do about it beyond going to each one individually, giving them some Ritalin, and hand-holding them through multiple aiming instructions. It's not like Shishka just keeps the weighting where it is because most of the veto data tells him to do the opposite.
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Its Social...theres not level 50. I'm a 33 in TS and a 25 in Doubles and I constantly hear kids saying veto for BR's. Its not that I don't think he looks at the veto data I just dont think they understand it, nor is it really useable in any way. People hate certain maps, people hate the weapon set, which one are they even vetoing? who knows, the data is basically useless. Why cater to rank 15 players who just dont understand the game yet?

This is my last post about it for awhile but I'll keep bitching about it later on. Just like I did with Snipers. Someones gotta hold this game to higher standards.

Tashi0106 said:
Had a decent night of MLG matchmaking today. I feel my skills are almost at 100% Today I got my 50 back in MLG and solidified it with a few wins in a row. I also ran into a few cheaters and a few pros. We also played against some semi-pros and did some work against a few of them. It was overall a pretty good MLG matchmaking night.
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Ant, Fear, Anarchy, and Elumnite put the hurt on you guys. When are you going to be on mainstage playing at events?
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Ant, Fear, Anarchy, and Elumnite put the hurt on you guys. When are you going to be on mainstage playing at events?
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Never.

It's never a good sign of skill when you struggle to get a 50 in MLG when the majority of good players *cough*like me*cough* got their 50 in it when the playlist first came out... over a year and half ago... before the first season opener in New Jersey -.-;

I'll be surprised if he gets past first round. Nvm, everyone gets passed first round haha I mean second round.

LETS GO TASHI WOOHOO!!!!!

wat wat? in the butt?
 
KevinRo said:
Never.

It's never a good sign of skill when you struggle to get a 50 in MLG when the majority of good players *cough*like me*cough* got their 50 in it when the playlist first came out... over a year and half ago... before the first season opener in New Jersey -.-;

I'll be surprised if he gets past first round. Nvm, everyone gets passed first round haha I mean second round.

LETS GO TASHI WOOHOO!!!!!

wat wat? in the butt?
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Me n my doubles partner, IRL Friend, had 50's within like four days of H3 being out. I sold it that week, Later he quit saying H3 takes no skill. A year later its a bit harder to hit 50.

But regardless, I'd hate to see Tashi waste all this time in the MLG playlist, ignoring his HaloGAF bro's to never even set foot at an event and at least try it once.
 
xxjuicesxx said:
Me n my doubles partner, IRL Friend, had 50's within like four days of H3 being out. I sold it that week, Later he quit saying H3 takes no skill. A year later its a bit harder to hit 50.

But regardless, I'd hate to see Tashi waste all this time in the MLG playlist, ignoring his HaloGAF bro's to never even set foot at an event and at least try it once.
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lol Juices, are you trying to convince me that it's harder to get a 50 over a year after the playlist has been out? Because I'll tell you right now, it's not. Infact, it's much easier as most of the skilled players have progressed off the playlist and the mediocre ones sit ontop of the rankings. To further prove my point, when the playlists first come out everyone is jumbled up within the same few rankings which sets you up to potentially play some really hard games at an early level. Losing games at an early level makes it much harder to rank up, but of course you knew this ;)

Also, playing randoms in matchmaking is nothing like playing a real team even on Gamebattles or anywhere comparatively to the level of skill on LAN. Try it out one time, play against a team of 4 instead of randoms and you will see for yourself the different intricate playing styles that will totally dong on you if you try to Rambo the shit like most people do in matchmaking. Of course I'm not one to comment on the subject matter since, lets face it, i've only had 3 points in Halo2, went a retarded 8 rounds in Amateur for MLG Chicago(which proves that different events have different skill level), got top 8 FFA an EGL D.C., and made the 5th round for Halo3 at the MLG opener. *whisthles the andy griffth theme song*
 
Liam92 said:
Girls do not simeltaneously start there period.
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Not exactly true. Many women who live together or work together will have their cycles naturally synchronise.

Edit: beaten. Only in halogaf :lol

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Rickard said:
Sounds like an old wives tale.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/girls-were-in-this-together-1363360.html

But despite all the anecdotal evidence, it was not until 1971 that it was proven to be a biological phenomenon, when Professor Martha McClintock conducted the first scientific research into it. McClintock studied 135 women living together at an American college. Over one academic year the students kept ''menstrual diaries''. She found that whereas at the beginning of the year they all started their periods at different times, by the end of the year they had all synchronised to within a few days of each other.
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This would help explain why, for example, juices and KevinRo tend to make awful posts at the same time.
 
Shake Appeal said:
Agree. Why, just this morning I taught several young fellows a fact they didn't know about menstruation. And your contribution to the thread is ... what?
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Everyone past age 12 knows that shit. Here I can contribute shit completely unrelated to halo too: Males also have periods. (Without the bloody mess)
 
I missed the whole conversation a few pages back last night but here's to Shishka for making Grifball ranked so that I can get my Grifty!

Seriously, why the fuck is Grifball going to be ranked? Now everyone's stats are going to be all bonkers.
 
TimeLike said:
OHHHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYYYY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD MAHHHHHHHHHH STATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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is ranked grifball for real, or it's just a running joke around here?
 
Ranked Grifball is really silly. If anything, it should be a permanent social playlist so the kiddies have something to play. Oh and that would free up a Double XP playlist slot for a new playlist. It's been almost 2 years since Halo 3 launched; MM needs and deserves a tune-up.
 
But what would take its place? Juggernaught? I mean... I imagine that wouldn't be the best gametype for a playlist but I haven't seen it in a while and what else is there?

We need an entirely new gametype! FFA Needlers with no auto aim, no lock on shots and 4xOS... that's the pinnacle of stupidity right there but it should keep the burger kings happy enough so that the playlists that matter could be great for at least the weekend. :P
 
At this very moment nothing comes to mind except a couple of gametypes from Halo 2 that haven't been explored and could work: Slayer Pro, Team Rifles, and Tactical KotH. I'll give it some serious thought and come back with a meaty post later today.
 
I look forward to it blur because at the moment I can't think of anything. :(

BUT! I did just come up with 3 map ideas while standing in my bathroom (as you do) so I think I'll hop on forge and get them started. :)

Edit: Who knows! Maybe I'll run through it so damn fast we could try it tonight... yea... don't count on it :P

Which reminds me, definitely looking forward to the new maps Eazy and Ghal.. get zem finished. :)
 
Obviously there's a large slice of the community that enjoys Grifball, hence it's common appearance in the double xp weekends. That said, I still can't think of a reason why a gametype like Grifball needs a ranked playlist. If there's a need for it, a permanent spot in social would fill the gap.

A customs and nothing but customs double xp would be fun. B v W was great.
 
I've been playing in the Social Slayer hopper on my own and just had a pretty decent match against some dudes. 3v5 and we won. There's one particular moment I'm proud of.

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Bam, said the lady. ;)
 
Shake Appeal said:
I did enjoy this week's BWU, but largely for the same reason I enjoy it every week: the mental pleasure of pruning urk's tortuous sentences.
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Odd. That's the same reason I read Shakespeare.

Shake Appeal said:
This would help explain why, for example, juices and KevinRo tend to make awful posts at the same time.
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Just bullet point list the things you hate - it is easier for someone in his position to digest than: YOU ARE TERRIBLE and will have more practical effect and benefit for the things you don't like.
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lol your post reads like a eulogy. As I've said ten times in this thread, I have no problem with there being a part of matchmaking tailored to the casual player and a part of matchmaking tailored to the seasoned player. I think it's better for the overall health of the game when each demographic is satiated. My problem is the countless incomprehensible decisions, like fixing The Pit by blocking off the attic, placing the new version into matchmaking while keeping the old version in too, or reducing BR starts on Standoff, or removing grenades from one variant in the Team Snipers playlist, or the horrific sandbox maps in Doubles, that are repeatedly made with no precedence or logic.

Here are some general things I would like to see:
  • New double exp playlists. The current ones are so beyond stale they're practically decomposing on my TV.
  • A new playlist. Did this guy get bummed because nobody played his One on One pet project? Shishka if you need help, contact this dude http://www.bungie.net/stats/Halo3/FileShare.aspx?gamertag=Joey and have him send you or just download the stuff in his fileshare. There's more he can't fit in there too. That man has gametypes that made me enjoy Epitaph and Ghost Town for christ's sake. He is talented and I'm sure he would be glad to work with Bungie for free.
  • Test things out! - Try making Social Slayer Casual and keep it the same as the current setup, while also making Social Slayer Hardcore or whatever and make it BRs only, low equipment and 4v4. Try it for a month and if it doesn't work, remove it. What is the harm? Why is there no experimentation? Rather than say, "oh he gets flak from both types of Halo players that's just how it is" -- do something about it. (3 Plots added to playlists with territories would be a nice baby step)
  • BR/AR starts across the entire game, because there is no logical reason for this not to happen. There is truly no logical reason.

Halo matchmaking is so bad at this point that if any one of those bullet points came to fruition I would be stunned. Frankie, surely you see what people here are complaining about? In two years almost nothing has been done. Playlists are cut because nobody plays them... because nothing is done to entice people to play them! I mean look at juices post. That monthly output is considered adequate at Bungie?

I'm not going to outline every individual problem with matchmaking because the post would have the same word count as Ulysses, and it would be ignored. Domino Theory made a huge post a year or so ago outlining a bunch of stuff that needs work and if I went back and read it I'm pretty sure 98% of it hasn't been fixed.

Halo 3 has an enormous amount of potential and provides a great framework to build an experience that all facets of the community can enjoy, yet one man who pulls the strings lets it rot beneath a myriad of banal excuses and stubborn arrogance.

Hire Juices.
 
urk said:
Odd. That's the same reason I read Shakespeare.
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I am not going to ask if you just compared yourself to Shakespeare, because it is apparent to everyone that you just did.

Good BWU, by the way. I was with you all the way and could really picture the scenes.

Your doting fan,
Shake
 
Shake Appeal said:
I am not going to ask if you just compared yourself to Shakespeare, because it is apparent to everyone that you just did.
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I am constant as the Northern Star!
 
KevinRo said:
lol Juices, are you trying to convince me that it's harder to get a 50 over a year after the playlist has been out? Because I'll tell you right now, it's not. Infact, it's much easier as most of the skilled players have progressed off the playlist and the mediocre ones sit ontop of the rankings. To further prove my point, when the playlists first come out everyone is jumbled up within the same few rankings which sets you up to potentially play some really hard games at an early level. Losing games at an early level makes it much harder to rank up, but of course you knew this ;)

Also, playing randoms in matchmaking is nothing like playing a real team even on Gamebattles or anywhere comparatively to the level of skill on LAN. Try it out one time, play against a team of 4 instead of randoms and you will see for yourself the different intricate playing styles that will totally dong on you if you try to Rambo the shit like most people do in matchmaking. Of course I'm not one to comment on the subject matter since, lets face it, i've only had 3 points in Halo2, went a retarded 8 rounds in Amateur for MLG Chicago(which proves that different events have different skill level), got top 8 FFA an EGL D.C., and made the 5th round for Halo3 at the MLG opener. *whisthles the andy griffth theme song*
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Can I have your autograph?
 
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