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Clipjoint said:
My diNovo Mini crapped out on me and I'm looking for an alternative. Has anyone tried the new Lenovo trackball mouse/keyboard they featured on Engadget a while ago?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/28/lenovos-wireless-multimedia-remote-with-keyboard-sneaks-our-for/

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I think it looks hot!

Hey dudes, Im selling mine.

PM in interested. Its mint, used less then 5 minutes and I put those screen protector things on the surface of the little bugger so it dont get scratched! Shows how much I care about my stuff.
 
Sheesh, read the entire thread and I'm still confused.

So you want to watch a movie. You turn on this HTPC and watch the windows screen boot up on your TV so then after that I'm assuming you have to use a mouse and select the program XBMC(?) and let that load up. Once thats up your good to go?
 
The Chef said:
Sheesh, read the entire thread and I'm still confused.

So you want to watch a movie. You turn on this HTPC and watch the windows screen boot up on your TV so then after that I'm assuming you have to use a mouse and select the program XBMC(?) and let that load up. Once thats up your good to go?
Basically. Although on my setup, my HTPC is almost always on, and if it's not when I select it on my Harmony remote it turns it on and starts XBMC automagically
 
The Chef said:
Sheesh, read the entire thread and I'm still confused.

So you want to watch a movie. You turn on this HTPC and watch the windows screen boot up on your TV so then after that I'm assuming you have to use a mouse and select the program XBMC(?) and let that load up. Once thats up your good to go?

You're technically right, but you're wrong at the same time.

For starters, while you could shut off your HTPC, the ideal situation is to either just leave it on, which isn't such a bad thing if you build a nice quiet low powered HTPC that it doesn't cost much to leave it running 24/7 or you put it to sleep when you're not using it so that it's an almost instant on when you wake it up and right back where you left it. Either case gives you pretty much instant access. Even if you factor turning it on, you can get boot times to about 30 to 40 seconds which isn't terrible because how long does it take for a lot of DVD or Blu Ray players to turn on anyway?

Second, you'd have this HTPC likely dedicated to something like XBMC so it should boot into it automatically which would mean there should be no reason for you to launch it manually. In fact when I said 30 to 40 seconds previously, that included the automatic boot into XBMC. You can streamline it in Linux so that it looks like you're powering on and straight into XBMC like it was your typical DVD player instead of looking like a PC.

Finally, as far as controlling it, while I have a Logitech MX Air Mouse, which lets me control a cursor by just pointing in the air like a WiiMote, and having a Logitech diNovo Mini, which is a keyboard and touchpad the size of the Xbox 360 Controller Keyboard, I barely ever use them. They are a just in case scenario. 99.9% of the time, I'm using my remote control like it was any other device in my home theater setup.

What you need to do is remove the idea of that this is a PC even though it is technically a PC. You can get a setup where it's like any other consumer electronics device out there and the PC aspect will be transparent. Of course because it is a PC, it has a lot more flexibility if you choose to explore it but if you're just running XBMC, it's more like a consumer electronics device at that point than a PC. It's kinda like how you likely have a lot of other devices that run on Linux but its transparent to you and you don't call them PCs either even though they technically are.
 
Marty Chinn said:
You're technically right, but you're wrong at the same time.

Wow thank you for that. Makes a lot more sense. How do you go about say, ripping a DVD to your HTPC? Do you boot your HTPC into windows and then Rip it there or are you using another PC on your network to rip and then moving it over to your HTPC HD?
 
The Chef said:
Wow thank you for that. Makes a lot more sense. How do you go about say, ripping a DVD to your HTPC? Do you boot your HTPC into windows and then Rip it there or are you using another PC on your network to rip and then moving it over to your HTPC HD?

I use another PC on the network to do that type of stuff. There's no reason to do it on the HTPC itself. There might be a plugin for XBMC that will let you rip stuff within the program though but I haven't looked into doing it through that method. You can easily setup shared folders on your HTPC so that you can just copy stuff to there.

Personally, I don't store anything on the HTPC though. I have everything on a network server and all the content is pulled down from there. That lets me have access to the content no matter what device or PC I'm using rather than storing it on a specific device. You could though make your HTPC sort of your network storage though if you choose to as well.

Its pretty flexible so it's really up to you what seems easiest and suits your needs. I can give you advice if you're not sure though.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Its pretty flexible so it's really up to you what seems easiest and suits your needs. I can give you advice if you're not sure though.

For me I think it would make the most sense to store all of my media on the HTPC's HD. My PC is kinda a monster gaming machine so its louder than a vacuum.

So which OS are you using then? Win7 or Linux?
 
The Chef said:
For me I think it would make the most sense to store all of my media on the HTPC's HD. My PC is kinda a monster gaming machine so its louder than a vacuum.

So which OS are you using then? Win7 or Linux?

I'd recommend you just rip from your gaming PC and then copy it over unless you're relying on a 802.11g connection for your network.

As far as OS, I'm actually using both right now as I have it set to dual boot. By default, I'm in Linux at the moment, but I think some day I'll switch to Win7 as my primary instead of secondary. Under Linux though, it boots super fast and straight into XBMC. Once there, it really doesn't feel like a PC anymore and everything runs smoothly. I'll probably switch over to Win7 soon to see how well DXVA is working though.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I'd recommend you just rip from your gaming PC and then copy it over unless you're relying on a 802.11g connection for your network.

As far as OS, I'm actually using both right now as I have it set to dual boot. By default, I'm in Linux at the moment, but I think some day I'll switch to Win7 as my primary instead of secondary. Under Linux though, it boots super fast and straight into XBMC. Once there, it really doesn't feel like a PC anymore and everything runs smoothly. I'll probably switch over to Win7 soon to see how well DXVA is working though.

OK I would definitely copy movies to the HTPC then. Would you recommend your same setup for me then or would you change anything?
 
Any recommendations on buying or building a low power windows based media server that can have 5TB or more of space? I'd like to start out with around 5TB, but it'd be nice to have something like a drobo where its pretty hassle free to add more storage in the future if needed, but I'm not sure if they make anything similiar to a drobo that is windows based.

Are the HP Mediasmart Home Server's a good value or would I be better off just building one?
 
Can anybody explain why boxee only support films you can find on imdb but not porn? I mean...don't these guys watch porn or they cut off their penis already?
 
tino said:
Can anybody explain why boxee only support films you can find on imdb but not porn? I mean...don't these guys watch porn or they cut off their penis already?
I don't know Boxee, but IMDB might be the only scraper for movies available on it vanilla. Try a different media center app that has the scrapers you want?
 
The Chef said:
OK I would definitely copy movies to the HTPC then. Would you recommend your same setup for me then or would you change anything?

Depends on how comfortable you are with computers since Linux can be a bit overwhelming to some but there are excellent step by step guides to set things up and a lot of it is automated with installers now. Also depends on what you plan to do with your HTPC. If it's going to be aimed at videos, music and pictures Linux is a great option of streamlining everything and the OS is free. If you need to go outside of that and run some Windows apps, you may want to consider just going Windows only. I threw a 500gb HDD in mine so it was easy to dual partition to have both OSs. However, I stream all my stuff off a server so HDD space is irrelevent to me which isn't the case for you. I would probably suggest just sticking to one OS since you plan to store your content on the HTPC.

SuicideUZI said:
Any recommendations on buying or building a low power windows based media server that can have 5TB or more of space? I'd like to start out with around 5TB, but it'd be nice to have something like a drobo where its pretty hassle free to add more storage in the future if needed, but I'm not sure if they make anything similiar to a drobo that is windows based.

Are the HP Mediasmart Home Server's a good value or would I be better off just building one?

HP Mediasmart Home Servers are an amazing value IMO. The only pricing problem I had was before when the only difference between models was the HDD size. At that point the increase in price was often higher than what you could do if you just dropped your own HDD in it. However, that's not an issue now because there is more of a difference between the two models now than just HDD space. The higher end model gets you a faster dual core CPU and I think more RAM.

The HP MSS also comes with a bunch of useful software that normal WHS doesn't have so that's handy too. I absolutely love and rave about mine and I'm currently running 8TB on it. It's really hassle free, easy to toss another HDD in without needing to power down, and so extremely reliable that I never worry about it at all. It's just hidden away upstairs and works great for both backing up all the computers around the house and as a content server to multiple devices around the house.

One of the best aspects of it though is it runs Windows software. I can't stress how much that is so nice just to be able to install normal programs on to the server to do what you need it to do. It gives it so much flexibility of what you can do with it. Some stuff I have running is a Squeezebox server, my backup power supply software that will shut down the server automatically if the power goes out and the battery gets low, and an app that lets me plug my PSP in through the USB port to use as a small monitor in case I need to see what's going on in the server.

I just can go on and on about how great it is. Highly recommended.
 
Marty Chinn said:
HP Mediasmart Home Servers are an amazing value IMO. The only pricing problem I had was before when the only difference between models was the HDD size. At that point the increase in price was often higher than what you could do if you just dropped your own HDD in it. However, that's not an issue now because there is more of a difference between the two models now than just HDD space. The higher end model gets you a faster dual core CPU and I think more RAM.

The HP MSS also comes with a bunch of useful software that normal WHS doesn't have so that's handy too. I absolutely love and rave about mine and I'm currently running 8TB on it. It's really hassle free, easy to toss another HDD in without needing to power down, and so extremely reliable that I never worry about it at all. It's just hidden away upstairs and works great for both backing up all the computers around the house and as a content server to multiple devices around the house.

One of the best aspects of it though is it runs Windows software. I can't stress how much that is so nice just to be able to install normal programs on to the server to do what you need it to do. It gives it so much flexibility of what you can do with it. Some stuff I have running is a Squeezebox server, my backup power supply software that will shut down the server automatically if the power goes out and the battery gets low, and an app that lets me plug my PSP in through the USB port to use as a small monitor in case I need to see what's going on in the server.

I just can go on and on about how great it is. Highly recommended.

YEAH, I'm actually looking in to purchasing one of these. I have a small Buffalo NAS which has been great to me, but the HP MHS can do so much more and are so up-scalable.

I recently bought one of these from eBay to use with my Harmony 880 remote, Win7 and XBMC. Works pretty well:

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I'm currently building a parts list on newegg to see how my new HTPC will be built.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Depends on how comfortable you are with computers since Linux can be a bit overwhelming to some but there are excellent step by step guides to set things up and a lot of it is automated with installers now. Also depends on what you plan to do with your HTPC. If it's going to be aimed at videos, music and pictures Linux is a great option of streamlining everything and the OS is free. If you need to go outside of that and run some Windows apps, you may want to consider just going Windows only. I threw a 500gb HDD in mine so it was easy to dual partition to have both OSs. However, I stream all my stuff off a server so HDD space is irrelevent to me which isn't the case for you. I would probably suggest just sticking to one OS since you plan to store your content on the HTPC.

Thanks for the help bro.
I downloaded XBMC and got it setup on my gaming machine I built and just ran an HDMI to my tv. My wife was blown-the-frick away when I showed her how it works with movie information coming up with fan art. I was pretty blown away myself.

I'm definitely going to start pricing a build out. And after your post I think I'll give Linux a shot and just store all of my media on an external 500GB MyBook that I have.

Edit: Not sure if this has been posted but Lifehacker did a pretty sweet tutorial on making a nice HDPC setup using a $200 Acer Aspire Revo Sounds pretty awesome.
 
Marty Chinn said:
HP Mediasmart Home Servers are an amazing value IMO. The only pricing problem I had was before when the only difference between models was the HDD size. At that point the increase in price was often higher than what you could do if you just dropped your own HDD in it. However, that's not an issue now because there is more of a difference between the two models now than just HDD space. The higher end model gets you a faster dual core CPU and I think more RAM.

The HP MSS also comes with a bunch of useful software that normal WHS doesn't have so that's handy too. I absolutely love and rave about mine and I'm currently running 8TB on it. It's really hassle free, easy to toss another HDD in without needing to power down, and so extremely reliable that I never worry about it at all. It's just hidden away upstairs and works great for both backing up all the computers around the house and as a content server to multiple devices around the house.

One of the best aspects of it though is it runs Windows software. I can't stress how much that is so nice just to be able to install normal programs on to the server to do what you need it to do. It gives it so much flexibility of what you can do with it. Some stuff I have running is a Squeezebox server, my backup power supply software that will shut down the server automatically if the power goes out and the battery gets low, and an app that lets me plug my PSP in through the USB port to use as a small monitor in case I need to see what's going on in the server.

I just can go on and on about how great it is. Highly recommended.


Do you agree with any of what this review of the hp mediasmart says?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKO2etESZc

It kind of made me not want one cause he seems to have had nothing but trouble with it. I didnt understand fully what he was talking about but he was saying something about the way windows handles file transfers on it is not very optimal and can drop down to 3mbit over your network at some points and he said something about a limitation of how big the drive that the OS is installed on to. Another thing is that for redundancy I think i'd rather have a RAID5 that uses parity information instead of what WHS does which I guess is just file duplication of what you select
 
SuicideUZI said:
Do you agree with any of what this review of the hp mediasmart says?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKO2etESZc

It kind of made me not want one cause he seems to have had nothing but trouble with it. I didnt understand fully what he was talking about but he was saying something about the way windows handles file transfers on it is not very optimal and can drop down to 3mbit over your network at some points and he said something about a limitation of how big the drive that the OS is installed on to. Another thing is that for redundancy I think i'd rather have a RAID5 that uses parity information instead of what WHS does which I guess is just file duplication of what you select

I haven't finished watching it ye but the tone from the beginning sounds like he's pretty anti WHS and MSS. There's a lot of people here on the forum who use it who couldn't be happier with it. My friend introduced it to me, and it really has been one of the best things I've ever purchased in my lifetime. It's been as life changing in how I do things as much as when I first got a Tivo and my iPhone. I just couldn't be more happy with it and haven't had any trouble at all. Same with the people I know. So I think that guy having trouble with it is probably in the minority.

Things to keep in mind about WHS vs RAID5 is:

1) You can pick and choose what gets duplicated on WHS meaning you can manage your hard drive space better.
2) In case of complete system failure, you can pop out any drive and plug it into a PC and read your files instantly. You can't do that with RAID5.
3) RAID5 will need an exact same setup in order to move from one system to another without losing data
4) WHS doesn't require the drives to be the same size where as I believe RAID5 does require this.

In general, I default everything to duplicate, but lately I've been ripping my DVDs to put them on the server so they can be accessed in multiple rooms and I've set those to not be duplicated which is great because they're technically backed up already which means it saves space since I don't care that they get lost in the event of a HDD failure. That's hundreds of gigs of space right there saved.

Outside of RAID5 might be more efficient to some degree on HDD space usage, I find WHS to be much more flexible in case of an issue coming up. I'll keep watching the video, but I'm not sure I would take that review alone as a reason to move away from it. There are plenty of people who will advocate WHS over RAID5 too.
 
Whats involved in ripping my Blurays to an HDPC?
I'd assume with most Blurays it would be pretty difficult to do with anti-piracy on the discs?
 
The Chef said:
Whats involved in ripping my Blurays to an HDPC?
I'd assume with most Blurays it would be pretty difficult to do with anti-piracy on the discs?
Blu-Ray copy protection has been Defeated for awhile, slysoft has software that will do it. I think it's called anydvd HD or something like that
 
SuicideUZI said:
Blu-Ray copy protection has been Defeated for awhile, slysoft has software that will do it. I think it's called anydvd HD or something like that

Great, thank man. That was the last concern I had before biting the bullet.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I haven't finished watching it ye but the tone from the beginning sounds like he's pretty anti WHS and MSS. There's a lot of people here on the forum who use it who couldn't be happier with it. My friend introduced it to me, and it really has been one of the best things I've ever purchased in my lifetime. It's been as life changing in how I do things as much as when I first got a Tivo and my iPhone. I just couldn't be more happy with it and haven't had any trouble at all. Same with the people I know. So I think that guy having trouble with it is probably in the minority.

Things to keep in mind about WHS vs RAID5 is:

1) You can pick and choose what gets duplicated on WHS meaning you can manage your hard drive space better.
2) In case of complete system failure, you can pop out any drive and plug it into a PC and read your files instantly. You can't do that with RAID5.
3) RAID5 will need an exact same setup in order to move from one system to another without losing data
4) WHS doesn't require the drives to be the same size where as I believe RAID5 does require this.

In general, I default everything to duplicate, but lately I've been ripping my DVDs to put them on the server so they can be accessed in multiple rooms and I've set those to not be duplicated which is great because they're technically backed up already which means it saves space since I don't care that they get lost in the event of a HDD failure. That's hundreds of gigs of space right there saved.

Outside of RAID5 might be more efficient to some degree on HDD space usage, I find WHS to be much more flexible in case of an issue coming up. I'll keep watching the video, but I'm not sure I would take that review alone as a reason to move away from it. There are plenty of people who will advocate WHS over RAID5 too.
For my case I would only be using it to store media, mostly in HD to stream to an htpc so I don't think I'd use file duplication cause that would just use way to much space to have an exact copy of everything. On the mediasmart server when you add Another HDD to it does it just automatically add it to your total storage or is it just seen as a new partition/drive? Also if you wanted to replace a drive with a bigger drive how does that work without losing what is in the old drive?

Have you had any trouble with streaming media up to 1080p with it? Seems like if that guy was right about file transfers dropping down to 3mbit over the network that it would have a hard time streaming HD content.
 
I'm a complete HTPC noob - have no setup of any kind, right now. But I've had my eye on this for a while now... I think I'm going to make it a 2010 project. I have some questions:

- My home is an OSX-only home. Just to keep my life simple, I want an OSX HTPC solution. Is XBMC for OSX my best solution? Or Frontrow? Or some other simple software?

- With OSX in mind, what is a good storage solution? I think the HP servers people dig are Win only?

- What's the SIMPLEST way to do this? I have an old Macbook Pro that I'll probably be replacing within the next year, so my basic thought is

- Make the MBP a XBMC-only box
- DVI to HDMI cable to display MBP contents on HDTV
- Network large external HDs to MBP for storage (how???)
- Profit???

So, I mean... is the MBP gonna be decoding stuff on the fly, or will that work already be finished? Is wireless networking fast enough to stream contents fro the external HD to the MBP, or will it need to be wired?

Basically, a computer + XBMC + cable to display comp on TV = more than half the battle. I just need some help filling in the blanks.
 
If you are going by what that guy is saying, Drobo + Droboshare is the best option. I don't want to build yet a PC, even if cheap, to run a linux box. Does anyone here have any opinion on the Drobo?
 
Marty Chinn said:
8TB of awesomeness!
nice. now i don't feel like my 6TB is all that excessive.

SuicideUZI said:
Have you had any trouble with streaming media up to 1080p with it? Seems like if that guy was right about file transfers dropping down to 3mbit over the network that it would have a hard time streaming HD content.
no problems of any kind with 1080p video here. i haven't noticed the wired transfer speeds drop much below 70-80 MB/s either.
 
SuicideUZI said:
For my case I would only be using it to store media, mostly in HD to stream to an htpc so I don't think I'd use file duplication cause that would just use way to much space to have an exact copy of everything. On the mediasmart server when you add Another HDD to it does it just automatically add it to your total storage or is it just seen as a new partition/drive? Also if you wanted to replace a drive with a bigger drive how does that work without losing what is in the old drive?

Have you had any trouble with streaming media up to 1080p with it? Seems like if that guy was right about file transfers dropping down to 3mbit over the network that it would have a hard time streaming HD content.

When you add another HD it just automatically adds it to the total storage pool so it's always seen as one large space to store files on. If you want to replace a drive, and you're not using file duplication, it will try to move files off the HDD to other HDDs. If there isn't enough space, what you could do is remove the drive, put the new one in and then take the old drive and copy the contents from it back to the storage. If you use their method of file redundancy, then it's just simply telling it to remove the hdd and you pop a new one in and it will rebuild the data automatically. It's probably best to just add more drives to the storage rather than replace them though in the long run. You're not limited to the four bays in the system. You can add on external eSata and USB bays too. Some people have 17 drive setups. Mine right now is 6.

As far as 1080p content goes, absolutely no problem streaming it to my HTPC while doing other file transfers or streaming content to another device. I've never seen it drop down to 3mbit over the network.

GDJustin said:
I'm a complete HTPC noob - have no setup of any kind, right now. But I've had my eye on this for a while now... I think I'm going to make it a 2010 project. I have some questions:

- My home is an OSX-only home. Just to keep my life simple, I want an OSX HTPC solution. Is XBMC for OSX my best solution? Or Frontrow? Or some other simple software?

If you plan to make it just a content player, is there a reason you want to stick with OSX? Mine is running Linux now but I never even think about what OS it is because it is simply an XBMC device rather than a PC. I believe Plex which is derived from XBMC might be a better option but I'm not sure where the current build of XBMC is on OSX. If I recall, there was an issue of not being able to do GPU accelerated video because of the limited access Apple allows but I might be mistaken on that. In that area, Linux was out of the gate first and recently Windows is now getting it incorporated. My understanding was the OSX version was behind in that regard.

- With OSX in mind, what is a good storage solution? I think the HP servers people dig are Win only?

You can use HP servers to serve files to just about anything that accepts a samba file share connection or even use UPnP or DNLA connections. So it's not limited to Windows at all. In fact, HP servers even support Time Machine for OSX backups too.

- What's the SIMPLEST way to do this? I have an old Macbook Pro that I'll probably be replacing within the next year, so my basic thought is

- Make the MBP a XBMC-only box
- DVI to HDMI cable to display MBP contents on HDTV
- Network large external HDs to MBP for storage (how???)
- Profit???

Have you thought about how you're getting audio out from your MBP to your setup? DVI to HDMI would be video only.

So, I mean... is the MBP gonna be decoding stuff on the fly, or will that work already be finished? Is wireless networking fast enough to stream contents fro the external HD to the MBP, or will it need to be wired?

Basically, a computer + XBMC + cable to display comp on TV = more than half the battle. I just need some help filling in the blanks.

Wireless is fine if you're not doing HD. Once you go to HD, you gotta start thinking wired. Plus wouldn't a MBP run kinda hot for what you want it to do? I would honestly consider just dropping about $200 to $300 into an Acer or ASRock and have a nice stand alone unit that will take care of everything. It certainly can be done with you MBP, but it seems kinda hacky, messy, and maybe less than optimal. That's not to say it can't be done, but it depends on how you have things setup and what you plan to use it for.
 
scissorfight said:
nice. now i don't feel like my 6TB is all that excessive.

Heh, I only went from 4TB to 8TB recently =) A combination of getting the external eSATA bay for Christmas and a nice sale of $129 for a 2TB hdd helped me jump up to where I am now =) I like that at any point, I might be able to drop down a little over $100 and probably add another 2TB to the server too. :D
 
Marty Chinn said:
If you plan to make it just a content player, is there a reason you want to stick with OSX? Mine is running Linux now but I never even think about what OS it is because it is simply an XBMC device rather than a PC. I believe Plex which is derived from XBMC might be a better option but I'm not sure where the current build of XBMC is on OSX. If I recall, there was an issue of not being able to do GPU accelerated video because of the limited access Apple allows but I might be mistaken on that. In that area, Linux was out of the gate first and recently Windows is now getting it incorporated. My understanding was the OSX version was behind in that regard.

No huge reason. I mostly just want as easy a solution as possible. Everything else in the home runs OSX, so I'd like the HTPC to run OSX too. I've never touched linux in my life and haven't used windows in over 4 years... so it would just be introducing a level of complexity that I'd like to avoid if I can.

Plus, as I mentioned, I have a Mac machine in mind.

You can use HP servers to serve files to just about anything that accepts a samba file share connection or even use UPnP or DNLA connections. So it's not limited to Windows at all. In fact, HP servers even support Time Machine for OSX backups too.

This is great news. Although IDK what Samba or the other acronyms mean ;)


Have you thought about how you're getting audio out from your MBP to your setup? DVI to HDMI would be video only.

Hm... no. I hadn't thought about that. I'm not even sure what audio-out options this MBP has.


Wireless is fine if you're not doing HD. Once you go to HD, you gotta start thinking wired. Plus wouldn't a MBP run kinda hot for what you want it to do? I would honestly consider just dropping about $200 to $300 into an Acer or ASRock and have a nice stand alone unit that will take care of everything. It certainly can be done with you MBP, but it seems kinda hacky, messy, and maybe less than optimal. That's not to say it can't be done, but it depends on how you have things setup and what you plan to use it for.

I would want to do HD, so wired is probably a better option. Re: heat - I'm not positive. It would probably be fine though? I play games on this MBP, watch DVD's, stream Hulu, etc., and it's warm but never red-line temp.

I'm curious - what makes this solution hacky or messy? From my perspective... I've already downloaded XBMC OSX. So if I were to go to Fry's and get the cabling I need for Audio and Video out... I would be pretty much done, wouldn't I?

I guess I'm just not sure what makes this more hacky or messy than any other option. Most people build or buy a standalone machine to use. I already *have* a machine I'd like to use. I'm not sure how it's diff. than peeps buying mac minis for this purpose.
 
GDJustin said:
No huge reason. I mostly just want as easy a solution as possible. Everything else in the home runs OSX, so I'd like the HTPC to run OSX too. I've never touched linux in my life and haven't used windows in over 4 years... so it would just be introducing a level of complexity that I'd like to avoid if I can.

Plus, as I mentioned, I have a Mac machine in mind.

I only raise the other two simply because I believe they might be better developed and supported compared to the OSX version. That said, I was also in the wrong frame of mind because I've had my eye set on GPU acceleration support but now remembering you're using a MBP, your hardware is likely good enough to support it all through the CPU without the need of GPU acceleration. I would definitely try it out on OSX like you already said you did to get a feel for it, but I wouldn't hold that as an example of how good XBMC really is becaus eit might not be on par. With Linux, they've got a disc that pretty much automates everything and while there is a little setup regardless of what platform you have, once its up and running, you really shouldn't think of it as a PC anymore and the OS shouldn't be noticeable.

This is great news. Although IDK what Samba or the other acronyms mean ;)

Heh, no worries, here's a crash course =)

1) Samba, or sometimes referred to as SMB, is just a network file sharing protocol. It's a common way of sharing folders and files on different devices and OS's on a network. If you've ever done network file sharing between your Macs, it's quite likely you've used it.

2) UPnP stands for Universal Plug n Play which is another common way of devices talking to each other through a network.

3) DLNA stands for Digital Living Network Alliance and it's a protocol used by a lot of multimedia devices now for streaming media in your home network. PS3 and 360 uses DLNA to detect multimedia networked sources that use this protocol and allow you to access content from such devices.

Hm... no. I hadn't thought about that. I'm not even sure what audio-out options this MBP has.

If your Macbook only has headphone jacks and not optical out, that means you'll likely only be able to get stereo out. If it has a digital optical out, you can use that to get 5.1 audio output. You'll want some method of getting 5.1 out if your home theater setup has surround sound.

I would want to do HD, so wired is probably a better option. Re: heat - I'm not positive. It would probably be fine though? I play games on this MBP, watch DVD's, stream Hulu, etc., and it's warm but never red-line temp.

Well not knowing where you plan to put it and if you'll keep the screen closed, the heat could be a factor or it might not be. Just was trying to point out there are cooler and less power consuming solutions for cheap.

I'm curious - what makes this solution hacky or messy? From my perspective... I've already downloaded XBMC OSX. So if I were to go to Fry's and get the cabling I need for Audio and Video out... I would be pretty much done, wouldn't I?

I guess I'm just not sure what makes this more hacky or messy than any other option. Most people build or buy a standalone machine to use. I already *have* a machine I'd like to use. I'm not sure how it's diff. than peeps buying mac minis for this purpose.

Well I was just thinking form factor alone. Where do you plan to put it in your setup? How the cables are going to hang out from all different angles out of it? How the audio will work if at all for surround sound? How do you plan to control it from your TV?

Certainly if you don't want to spend any money, your solution will work. I was just pointing out that there are cleaner and cheap solutions that might be more optimal or ideal. The Mini at least has all its ports on the back, I believe has more ports to work with than the MBP, and has a nice form factor overall with the slot loading drive in the front that will fit nicely under your TV. Also, it just doesn't strike me as the most ideal situation to be using a laptop for a htpc setup since 1080p video can be processor intensive which would be constant compared to normal usage.

OSX is certainly possible, but given how little talk there is on using the OSX version on their forums with most of the talk centered on the Apple TV version, it just makes me question in what state the OSX version is. So I'm just raising questions you might consider or want to be aware of before investing money on cables and what other devices you might need to complete the setup on your MBP. Certainly you have the advantage of trying it out now, running it your MBP screen and seeing how well it works ahead of time before you drop any money into it.

Hope that helps somewhat, and knowing more details could certainly help too.
 
Not really if you want the security of redundancy. I'm thinking about getting a Drobo + Share and 2x2TB drives...I don't think it uses as much hard drive space as RAID5, but my music and video libraries will probably nearly fill those up. That's why I'm considering just going the network attached Drobo route. I would rather not admin a WHS or Linux box and would rather the Drobo just sit in my office where my ps3, 360, macbook, and windows has access to it over my wired network. The major beef most have is with transfer speeds.

Even with the decreased speed compared to the alternatives, it seems like there's enough bandwidth to support 1080p video and audio. I don't think it would be that awesome to work directly from it for editing video, but I see it more as the giant drive that houses all of your media after you've worked on it locally. I have streamed from a usb 2.0 external drive connected to my PC to my ps3 and 360 over wired connection and even 1080p DTS streams work fine. So does no one think the Drobo would work well as a library? If I needed to I could later hook up an actual HTIB in my living room if I wanted to run XMBC.
 
The Chef said:
Marty, I was pricing my build and was just thinking, isn't 4 gigs a little much? Wouldn't 2 be more than enough?

How much were you seeing in the price difference? I think you could get by with 2 gigs if I recall correctly. I just played it safe and went with 4 gigs since the price was reasonable and it would prevent the need from having to open it up later to expand if I felt I needed more. It's kinda like how I went with a 500GB hdd when I didn't need all that extra space but it was only like $10 more than a 250GB hdd. I think 2 GB is probably fine for XBMC usage. Still curious what the price difference you were seeing is though.

see5harp said:
Not really if you want the security of redundancy. I'm thinking about getting a Drobo + Share and 2x2TB drives...I don't think it uses as much hard drive space as RAID5, but my music and video libraries will probably nearly fill those up. That's why I'm considering just going the network attached Drobo route. I would rather not admin a WHS or Linux box and would rather the Drobo just sit in my office where my ps3, 360, macbook, and windows has access to it over my wired network. The major beef most have is with transfer speeds.

Even with the decreased speed compared to the alternatives, it seems like there's enough bandwidth to support 1080p video and audio. I don't think it would be that awesome to work directly from it for editing video, but I see it more as the giant drive that houses all of your media after you've worked on it locally. I have streamed from a usb 2.0 external drive connected to my PC to my ps3 and 360 over wired connection and even 1080p DTS streams work fine. So does no one think the Drobo would work well as a library? If I needed to I could later hook up an actual HTIB in my living room if I wanted to run XMBC.

With a HP MSS running WHS, you don't really need to admin it. It's more of a set it up and forget it type device but gives you the flexibility to do much more. I have it tucked away and barely ever go to it since it really is all automatic and handles everything in the background. So I think you might have a misconception on the complexity of an HP MSS. I still highly recommend it because it gives you better options down the road on what you may or may not want to do with it which you might not be able to think of at this time. I can't stress enough how great it is to be able to install Windows apps on it to do things you want it to do. Still recommend it over a Drobo.

Edit-

Upon a quick look, it seems that if you're using quality 1080p movies, then the Drobo is bandwidth constrained unlike the MSS. So it really depends on the quality but for good quality 1080p you'll need a 1gbit connection which the Drobo doesn't have and the MSS does.
 
Marty Chinn said:
With a HP MSS running WHS, you don't really need to admin it. It's more of a set it up and forget it type device but gives you the flexibility to do much more. I have it tucked away and barely ever go to it since it really is all automatic and handles everything in the background. So I think you might have a misconception on the complexity of an HP MSS. I still highly recommend it because it gives you better options down the road on what you may or may not want to do with it which you might not be able to think of at this time. I can't stress enough how great it is to be able to install Windows apps on it to do things you want it to do. Still recommend it over a Drobo.

Wait, so this thing is running on Windows? Please elaborate. Could I install something like Newsleecher/uTorrent on it and run it from there?
 
SimleuqiR said:
Wait, so this thing is running on Windows? Please elaborate. Could I install something like Newsleecher/uTorrent on it and run it from there?

It's running Windows Home Server which is a variant of Windows Server 2003. For the most part you can run most Windows software on it but there are a few things that aren't compatible. What those incompatbilities are, I'm not quite sure of but so far everything I've installed on it has worked fine including homebrew software meant for the PSP. So yes, you can run newsgroup and torrent software on it just fine.
 
Hi there,

so it's looking like I'm going to move in June/July. While I'm a student I have managed to save some cash over the last few months which I want to put in my new media hub. This is what I'm currently planning to buy:

  • 40" Samsung LED LCD
  • Nettop with Ion (2 by then?) using XBMC backend on Windows 7
  • amBX for fake Ambilight
  • a new PC + 24" LED monitor
  • a cheap NAS solution
  • mid-end 5.1 sound system

My plan is to do all the media stuff on the Samsung via Nettop (Music, HD Videos, Videostreams, you get the idea...) while grabing all the media from the NAS or the web. The NAS doesn't have to be the fanciest kid on the block since I only need the very basic functionalities. Do you guys know any NAS that fits my needs (basic, cheap)? Also I want to automatically download TV shows via torrent using my Nettop. Does anyone of you have experience with that?

Thanks
 
which1spink said:
Hi there,

so it's looking like I'm going to move in June/July. While I'm a student I have managed to save some cash over the last few months which I want to put in my new media hub. This is what I'm currently planning to buy:

  • 40" Samsung LED LCD
  • Nettop with Ion (2 by then?) using XBMC backend on Windows 7
  • amBX for fake Ambilight
  • a new PC + 24" LED monitor
  • a cheap NAS solution
  • mid-end 5.1 sound system

My plan is to do all the media stuff on the Samsung via Nettop (Music, HD Videos, Videostreams, you get the idea...) while grabing all the media from the NAS or the web. The NAS doesn't have to be the fanciest kid on the block since I only need the very basic functionalities. Do you guys know any NAS that fits my needs (basic, cheap)? Also I want to automatically download TV shows via torrent using my Nettop. Does anyone of you have experience with that?

Thanks

Its been awhile, but Linksys has a NAS adapter which lets you attach multiple USB devices to it to be available on the network. It was about $79 if I recall and its what I used before I moved up to the HP MSS. There might be other options now that allow you to attach HDDs to the network but I think that might be a decent starting point to look at. It allowed some other functionality such as backup, FTP server, etc but it was pretty good for the price back in the day.
 
Marty Chinn said:
With a HP MSS running WHS, you don't really need to admin it. It's more of a set it up and forget it type device but gives you the flexibility to do much more. I have it tucked away and barely ever go to it since it really is all automatic and handles everything in the background. So I think you might have a misconception on the complexity of an HP MSS. I still highly recommend it because it gives you better options down the road on what you may or may not want to do with it which you might not be able to think of at this time. I can't stress enough how great it is to be able to install Windows apps on it to do things you want it to do. Still recommend it over a Drobo.

Edit-

Upon a quick look, it seems that if you're using quality 1080p movies, then the Drobo is bandwidth constrained unlike the MSS. So it really depends on the quality but for good quality 1080p you'll need a 1gbit connection which the Drobo doesn't have and the MSS does.

Yea, I was concerned with the Drobo's speed over ethernet (you have to buy a separate additional device to connect to ethernet). I think maybe I entered the wrong thread because I don't exactly want to build a HTPC. I want a network attached storage device that will add redundancy to my media library and will be accessible by every device in my house. I almost always prefer ease of use over control. Otherwise, I would have gone with a cheapo Linux box for a few hundred by now. I want a HTPC in the future, but in the end I'd still need a NAS with redundancy to hold all of my media and the more hardware based solution in the Drobo seems worth the few hundred for both aesthetic reasons and for time saved. I haven't heard that many people reccomend WHS over the free Linux solution. Are you running RAID5 on your WHS?
 
see5harp said:
Yea, I was concerned with the Drobo's speed over ethernet (you have to buy a separate additional device to connect to ethernet). I think maybe I entered the wrong thread because I don't exactly want to build a HTPC. I want a network attached storage device that will add redundancy to my media library and will be accessible by every device in my house. I almost always prefer ease of use over control. Otherwise, I would have gone with a cheapo Linux box for a few hundred by now. I want a HTPC in the future, but in the end I'd still need a NAS with redundancy to hold all of my media and the more hardware based solution in the Drobo seems worth the few hundred for both aesthetic reasons and for time saved. I haven't heard that many people reccomend WHS over the free Linux solution. Are you running RAID5 on your WHS?

Well to preface it all, I started with a modded Xbox running XBMC and wanted a network storage solution that the Xbox could read from as well as the two computers and one laptop in our apartment. For that, I had a Linksys NAS adapter which allowed me to hook up multiple external HDDs that were on a SMB file share on the network. Worked great, and even though it did backup, I didn't utilize it due to the limited storage I had available on it at the time.

Since then, I've moved into a house and now have multiple laptops, a newly built HTPC which replaced my modded Xbox just this last Fall, another modded Xbox which is now in the bedroom, multiple Squeezebox audio systems, multiple game systems, and mobile devices that all read from the network. I also wanted to actually get in the habit of having a backup solution with the goal of not losing data in the event of a HDD failure. Because of that, about a year ago I moved to the HP MSS and just couldn't be happier with the results. It works perfectly to backup every computer in the house, works great for sharing all sorts of files among multiple computers for all sorts of media, and most importantly works amazingly well for all the media devices in the house which pulls content down from it.

WHS is super easy to use, isn't complicated at all and requires little if any maintenance to maintain it. You literally just run the setup from the first time you get it, and then you just leave it. It really couldn't be much easier plus has amazing flexibility cuz of the Windows compatibility. I'm not running RAID5 but I'm using the Drive Extender functionality of the WHS. Problems with RAID5 is the need to have like size hard drives, the inability to access files in the event of hardware failure, the limitations of what happens in the event of HDD failure, and the flexibility of choosing what becomes redundant and what doesn't.
 
Marty Chinn said:
How much were you seeing in the price difference? I think you could get by with 2 gigs if I recall correctly.

The one you have is around $85 or so. Just a quick search on Newegg and found this one for $44.

Saves a few bucks.
 
The Chef said:
The one you have is around $85 or so. Just a quick search on Newegg and found this one for $44.

Saves a few bucks.

Whoa, did RAM prices go up? I know it happens at times. You're right, it's pretty pricey at the moment. I think I paid around $60 when I got mine. Maybe try getting a single stick of RAM that's 2GB vs getting 2x1GB that way you can easily add another stick in the future if you need to. Cost a bit more but better than having the old RAM go to waste I would think. I think you can get by with 2GB just fine though even if you don't want to do that. I was just trying to make it an easy upgrade should you find a need for having more memory. The other thing to do is if you have a Fry's near you, check the daily sales as they'll likely have RAM you want on sale at some point and probably pretty often.

Edit: In fact, if you don't mind rebates, Fry's has Corsair 4GB for $69 now.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Whoa, did RAM prices go up? I know it happens at times. You're right, it's pretty pricey at the moment. I think I paid around $60 when I got mine. Maybe try getting a single stick of RAM that's 2GB vs getting 2x1GB that way you can easily add another stick in the future if you need to. Cost a bit more but better than having the old RAM go to waste I would think. I think you can get by with 2GB just fine though even if you don't want to do that. I was just trying to make it an easy upgrade should you find a need for having more memory. The other thing to do is if you have a Fry's near you, check the daily sales as they'll likely have RAM you want on sale at some point and probably pretty often.

Edit: In fact, if you don't mind rebates, Fry's has Corsair 4GB for $69 now.

Awesome, I'll definitely check that out.

I'm going to get a new Denon receiver when I get my HTPC build so I'm trying to keep costs as low as possible.

My only decision now is if I'll put a 1TB HD in the unit or if I will use my 500GB Mybook.
I guess the big difference is I couldn't have the Mybook as part of a network so I would literally have to unplug it from the HTPC and plug it into my PC to copy files to it as opposed to transferring files directly from my gaming PC to the HTPC over a network?
Sorry for the million questions, you've spurred a serious new hobby for me :P
 
Marty Chinn said:
It's running Windows Home Server which is a variant of Windows Server 2003. For the most part you can run most Windows software on it but there are a few things that aren't compatible. What those incompatbilities are, I'm not quite sure of but so far everything I've installed on it has worked fine including homebrew software meant for the PSP. So yes, you can run newsgroup and torrent software on it just fine.


sorry if this is a dumb question, but from what I have seen so far the HP MSS is a "headless" device since it has no video output, and you control it thru the HP software that it comes with from another computer on the network. So I'm wondering how do you actually get to the the normal windows desktop on it to be able to install different programs and so on
 
The Chef said:
Awesome, I'll definitely check that out.

I'm going to get a new Denon receiver when I get my HTPC build so I'm trying to keep costs as low as possible.

My only decision now is if I'll put a 1TB HD in the unit or if I will use my 500GB Mybook.
I guess the big difference is I couldn't have the Mybook as part of a network so I would literally have to unplug it from the HTPC and plug it into my PC to copy files to it as opposed to transferring files directly from my gaming PC to the HTPC over a network?
Sorry for the million questions, you've spurred a serious new hobby for me :P

Oh cool, which Denon receiver are you getting?

As for your question about the HDD, I'm not sure I understand it. Why couldn't you make the external drive a network share drive?

No worries on the questions, I'm glad to help =) It's a pretty damn fun hobby but ya it can be overwhelming.

SuicideUZI said:
sorry if this is a dumb question, but from what I have seen so far the HP MSS is a "headless" device since it has no video output, and you control it thru the HP software that it comes with from another computer on the network. So I'm wondering how do you actually get to the the normal windows desktop on it to be able to install different programs and so on

Not a dumb question at all. There's a number of ways you could do it from modding it to install a VGA port which some people have done, hooking up a USB video connection, or doing what I did with the PSP and using that as a monitor, but the easiest way and the most common way to do it is just to Remote Desktop into the system. If you haven't used Remote Desktop before, it will be as if the HP MSS is hooked directly to the monitor you're currently using.
 
Drobos are excellent products. The DroboShare on the other hand, is terrible. Unless you must have DroboApps, then it's just not worth it. Even then, if you need the apps, go with the HP MediaSmart server.

If your primary needs are storage, backup, and redundancy, then the Drobo does a great job at a good price. Maybe I'm wrong, but the only thing cheaper than the $400 baseline Drobo is the HP MSS LX 195 which is $100 less but offers only one drive bay and no redundancy.

If you must have it on the network, have it attached to an always-on computer on the network and share it that way, or if your home router has a USB port, you can set it up that way (what I've been doing for a while).
 
Marty Chinn said:
Oh cool, which Denon receiver are you getting?

As for your question about the HDD, I'm not sure I understand it. Why couldn't you make the external drive a network share drive?

No worries on the questions, I'm glad to help =) It's a pretty damn fun hobby but ya it can be overwhelming.

Denon AVR-589
Every so often I see it at Costco for $169 - Nothing too fancy but definitely nice. Buuuut it does only have 2 HDMI inputs so I may see if I can find the AVR-590 a little cheaper online.

Edit: So my friend has convinced me to look into making a media server. He's going ohook me up with 3 of his 500GB drives. Is that HP you have the 8Tb server? I need to get a case and that looks pretty small.
 
BreakyBoy said:
Drobos are excellent products. The DroboShare on the other hand, is terrible. Unless you must have DroboApps, then it's just not worth it. Even then, if you need the apps, go with the HP MediaSmart server.

If your primary needs are storage, backup, and redundancy, then the Drobo does a great job at a good price. Maybe I'm wrong, but the only thing cheaper than the $400 baseline Drobo is the HP MSS LX 195 which is $100 less but offers only one drive bay and no redundancy.

If you must have it on the network, have it attached to an always-on computer on the network and share it that way, or if your home router has a USB port, you can set it up that way (what I've been doing for a while).

Thanks for the input. I NEED REDUNDANCY and storage. That is the main purpose. I was actually considering just getting a Drobo to start out with for the easy storage. I need much more storage and expandability than one drive bay would allow. If you watch videos of people inserting and removing drives from he Drobo while it's being accessed, I think it's obvious why the price seems justified.

From what I've read about the Drobo Share apps software, it's bare minimum compared to Linux and WHS software, obviously, but there's enough there that sharing to DNLA, iTunes, FTP, and web access is doable. Maybe I should just wait until Drobo comes up with an all in one solution.
 
Does anyone know if those Western Digital "AV-GP" drives are really anymore reliable than your typical green or black WD drive?

They are marketed as "Long-Term Reliability - These drives are designed to last in high temperature always-on streaming digital audio/video environments such as PVR/DVR, DVR recorders and surveillance video recorders."

So I was wondering if it'd actually be worth 10 bucks more to go with those for a media server
 
So.

Guys.

What do you all use as a solution for games? I built a rig with solid specs and a ton of storage for media, PC games, and large, large quantities of classic console roms. It doesn't seem like XBMC has any real game support, but I know there are a bunch of MAME/multi emulator frontends out there. Any suggestions?
 
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