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A few things:

1. Got our tickets yesterday. Ill be seeing this 29 hours from now, bitches!
2. I think there was some SERIOUS last minute editing, as its not rated R. When I got the tickets, I was shocked to see a 14A rating (Im Canadian, so think PG13 or whatever the equivalent US rating is).
 
Solo said:
A few things:

1. Got our tickets yesterday. Ill be seeing this 29 hours from now, bitches!
2. I think there was some SERIOUS last minute editing, as its not rated R. When I got the tickets, I was shocked to see a 14A rating (Im Canadian, so think PG13 or whatever the equivalent US rating is).
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Pretty sure its rated R here. Every review and movie site has an R rating listed.
 
I'm really hyped for this movie. I'm a total Mann fanboy and the making of special on HBO was great. I love how in Mann movies he uses the real thing in the movie. Many of the characters in the film are ex SAS guys or they work for Homeland Security. They showed some stuff where Collin actually went on some real undercover stuff, they pulled a pretty funny prank on him also.
 
hiryu said:
I'm really hyped for this movie. I'm a total Mann fanboy and the making of special on HBO was great. I love how in Mann movies he uses the real thing in the movie. Many of the characters in the film are ex SAS guys or they work for Homeland Security. They showed some stuff where Collin actually went on some real undercover stuff, they pulled a pretty funny prank on him also.
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never watch making ofs before watching the movie.

they give away way too much.
 
master_shake_05 said:
So the Canadian version is either butchered or Canadians aren't so uptight about a little Mann gun sex....
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alot of movie that are rated R in USA get 14A rating here. Nothing will be cut.
 
Just read that Kevin Smith (of Clerks fame) is going to sit on "Ebert and Roper" as a guest film critic host while Roger Ebert recovers from surgery.

From Kevin Smiths Blog.

Looks like I’ll be sitting in for Roger Ebert next week, as a guest critic on “Ebert and Roeper”. Kind of a cool honor, I feel.

We’ll be checking out “Miami Vice”, “Ant Bully”, “Talladega Nights”, “Barnyard” and maybe (fingers crossed) “World Trade Center”.

We’ll be taping next week, just prior to the Chicago WizardCon. I’ll let you know how it goes.
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http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=267
 
A great quote from the NY Times that gets at why I like Mann:

"He fuses music, pulsating color and high drama into something that is occasionally nonsensical and frequently sublime. “Miami Vice” is an action picture for people who dig experimental art films, and vice versa.

I’m not exaggerating about the art. Some of the most captivating sequences have an abstract quality, as if Mr. Mann were paying homage to the avant-garde, anti-narrative cinema of Stan Brakhage in the midst of a big studio production. Dispensing with the convention that the pictures exist to serve the story, Mr. Mann frequently uses plot as an excuse to construct ravishing pictures."
 
Mifune said:
A great quote from the NY Times that gets at why I like Mann:

"He fuses music, pulsating color and high drama into something that is occasionally nonsensical and frequently sublime. “Miami Vice” is an action picture for people who dig experimental art films, and vice versa.

I’m not exaggerating about the art. Some of the most captivating sequences have an abstract quality, as if Mr. Mann were paying homage to the avant-garde, anti-narrative cinema of Stan Brakhage in the midst of a big studio production. Dispensing with the convention that the pictures exist to serve the story, Mr. Mann frequently uses plot as an excuse to construct ravishing pictures."
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Oh man.

I could watch any of Michael Mann's movies (well maybe not Ali) with the sound off and just enjoy the visuals. This is going to be great.
 
Mifune said:
A great quote from the NY Times that gets at why I like Mann:

"He fuses music, pulsating color and high drama into something that is occasionally nonsensical and frequently sublime. “Miami Vice” is an action picture for people who dig experimental art films, and vice versa.

I’m not exaggerating about the art. Some of the most captivating sequences have an abstract quality, as if Mr. Mann were paying homage to the avant-garde, anti-narrative cinema of Stan Brakhage in the midst of a big studio production. Dispensing with the convention that the pictures exist to serve the story, Mr. Mann frequently uses plot as an excuse to construct ravishing pictures."
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:D
 
Richard Ropert liked it. He says while not as good as Collateral or Heat, it's good. His overall final rating is 3 out of 4 stars.

Mann keeps 'Miami Vice' crackling with excitement

July 27, 2006

BY RICHARD ROEPER Sun-Times Columnist

While this "Vice" isn't in the same league as Mann's "Collateral" (2004) or "Heat" (1995), it's a gritty, ultra-dark thriller, and it contains two of the best "kill shot" scenes in recent years. Mann's movies earn their R ratings.

The plot machinations of "Miami Vice" left me confused and a bit frustrated, yet there's 2-1/2 stars' worth of movie here simply because Mann is the premier visual architect of night action sequences and because he adds a touch of art to even the simplest shots, day or night. A small plane buzzing above the clouds, overhead shots of a drug lord's compound, a dance sequence in a nightclub -- all are executed with exquisite grace.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/movies/cst-ftr-miami27.html
 
I didn't like Collateral at all when I saw it in the theater. I saw it on HBO a few months ago and LOVED it! Fantastic movie! I never even considered Michael Mann one of the top tier directors. Now I do. He really has a good eye.
 
Brimstone said:
Richard Ropert liked it. He says while not as good as Collateral or Heat, it's good. His overall final rating is 3 out of 4 stars.



http://www.suntimes.com/output/movies/cst-ftr-miami27.html
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Do you understand the meaning of the word 'foreboden'? As in badness is happening right now!
 
I read a couple of raves over at AICN earlier, but that's nothing new. What I did notice is that the film seems to be entirely re-cut from about six months ago, going from the reviews. It sounds awesome. Gotta get me to a theater.
 
The Rolling Stone review is very positive.

Some say Michael Mann is an acquired taste. I say an appreciation of Mann's films, notably Heat, The Insider, Collateral, Ali, Thief and Manhunter, means you have taste. At sixty-three, he's a world-class filmmaker who's still breaking rules and rubbing nerves raw.

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They don't sit around trading backstories so the audience can catch up. Mann doesn't play catch-up: There is a brute ferocity to this movie that will knock you on your ass.

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The price of a ticket still buys you one terrific movie. If you're looking for a crime story that sizzles with action, sex and the visceral jolt of life on the edge, Miami Vice is the one. But what raises this ball of fire above the herd is the haunting sense of loss and loneliness Mann brings to material that feels lived in and achingly real.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/_/id/7222793/rid/10905108/
 
I'm still going to check it out, not much else coming out this week anyway. Plus I've already hyped up a bunch of people I know and promised to see it with them. :lol
 
Eh, while it may be rotten overall, it's fresh w/ the cream of the crop. If you're a mann fan I don't see why that should dissuade you ;b


I'm gonna go see it in a bit.
 
It's at 49% at RT right now, but many of the negative reviews boil down to either "it's nothing like the TV series" or "Ali and Collateral sucked, and so does this." So it might be a fans-only film.

I'm thinking about knocking off work early and catching a matinee today--it's that kind of day.
 
Precisely what Im doing. Ducking out at 1:30 to check out the 2:15 showing. If Vice is at least on par, or slightly below par of Heat and Collateral, I'll love it, guaranteed.
 
damn I can't go see it - I'm sick now this ****ing pain wont stop hurting - Sickle Cell Sucks!

maybe I will see it Monday I my way back from the Bronx, I can see it on 42nd

No I must see it today :(

I got two hours to get better
 
The IGN film review liked it. 4 out of 5 stars.

What makes Miami Vice a solid (albeit flawed and incomplete) film is that it takes its subject matter seriously. It doesn't thumb its nose at its source material so much as it takes the core themes of the series and makes them its own. The film and TV series exist independently of each other, each with many things to recommend them. If a viewer needs a nostalgia trip that badly then they should buy the DVD box sets. That's what they're there for.

Utilizing digital photography (the resulting imagery has been celebrated by some critics and trashed by others), Mann makes Miami Vice look and feel real. You are there, riding in the Ferrari, speeding across the ocean, tensely making your way through a Third World neighborhood or opening fire on the participants.

The hip-hop/techno soundtrack and electronic/woodwind score by John Murphy suggests the mood music of the TV series, although the use of a cover version of "In the Air Tonight" (famously used in the series pilot) is the biggest outright nod to the series.

Ultimately, Miami Vice is a "guy movie." A smart, artsy guy movie but it's still about tough men in a dangerous world full of sex and violence. Love it or hate it, Miami Vice and Michael Mann do their own thing. For those seeking an intense, seductive and gritty crime drama, Miami Vice delivers the goods. Mann has smuggled a cerebral cop movie (and an experimental digital film) into multiplexes by fabricating a cover identity for it as yet another TV-to-Film adaptation.
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http://uk.filmforce.ign.com/articles/721/721210p2.html
 
It's a subdued, slow burn type of film. Doesn't go over the top with anything...and there's a lot of care and precision evident in the filmmaking. If I had to compare it to another Mann film I'd say Heat for sure.
 
I can't wait to see this tonight. The critics that matter to me like it...NY Times, New Yorker, Onion AV Club, etc. It's the crappy movie blog people who are dragging the rating down. "Lacks the ingredient of fun." I'll give you fun, you internet nothing.

But yeah, I hope I don't hate it.
 
If I had to criticize something: I can't say I was entirely sold on the heavy digital noise during some low-light scenes. More distracting than anything. And the computer sound effects were pretty bad (no, computers DON'T make dot matrix printer sounds when text appears line by line on a monitor...).

The main impression the film left me was in the attention to detail overall. From the way Foxx clears a room with a handgun to the gunfight sound effects, it's all so right and grounded in reality, while still retaining the film's style, that I can't help but feel immersed (and excited at the appropriate moments).

The soundtrack too blends perfectly into the film, complimenting every scene. Again, it just feels like a very dedicated production, with little taken for granted.
 
The main impression the film left me was in the attention to detail overall. From the way Foxx clears a room with a handgun to the gunfight sound effects, it's all so right and grounded in reality, while still retaining the film's style, that I can't help but feel immersed (and excited at the appropriate moments).

The soundtrack too blends perfectly into the film, complimenting every scene. Again, it just feels like a very dedicated production, with little taken for granted.
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These are classic Mann signatures so I'm glad this movie seems similar to his past efforts in it's direction.
 
EviLore said:
It's a subdued, slow burn type of film. Doesn't go over the top with anything...and there's a lot of care and precision evident in the filmmaking. If I had to compare it to another Mann film I'd say Heat for sure.
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Just got back from seeing it, those are my thoughts exactly, I went expecting over the top, say like some people would think "BAD BOYS" but this film makes hollywood over the top action films look like cartoons compared to this dark and gritty realism - at some points I felt I was watching an uncensored episode of COPS gone badass

The GUNS and BULLETS its like I felt each HIT! :D

Enjoyed this film very much. its very different and filmed very differently from anything I've seen before
 
Just got back. I'll get the bad out of the way first: Heat (8/10) and Collateral (9/10) are both better in my eyes. Second, and finally, theres no classic scene here. No Heat street shootout, or Collateral club scene. Thats pretty much it for my negatives, plus the one I'll mention further down.

Miami Vice: 7/10

First and foremost, this is a Michael Mann film. Your dropped in head first, and you sink or swim by your own awareness level, attention to detail and intelligence. There is NOTHING spoonfed to you, so you get as much or as little out of the film as you want. The other thing about being a Mann film: it's beautiful. Gorgeous locations married with gorgeous HD cinematography. There were at least 5 absolutely breathtaking shots in the film, and one could take a still at any point, and have it look like a professional photograph. The shots of the plane over the clouds instantly come to mind. Eyegasmic. Sadly, I noticed much more of the HD "grain" in this one than I did in Collateral. Still, the best looking film this year.

The acting I felt was uniformely great. Farrell and Gong Li especially impressed me with their chemisty. Foxx was good if not in top form. All the supporting characters performed well too. Mann's direction was in top form once again too, as it usually is. He really knows how to shoot character's emotions, and REALLY knows how to stage and shoot a gunfight. The pacing was great too, and as has been stated, its really an expertly crafted slow burner of a film. I also loved how Mann once again drops you in and takes you out, without warning.

I think the problem for me here was not Michael Mann the visionary director, but Michael Mann the writer. Its like he's a big league director, and an amateur writer. And thats what kept me from really loving the movie. Anyways, more thought tomorrow upon reflection.

Oh, and the first thing you hear in the film? Linkin Park's "Numb" :lol
 
Saw it matinee. It is a serious-minded movie that just latches on and takes you for a invigorating ride. A ride I'm up for taking again.

Biggest surprise is Colin Farrell, he brings the goods and his accent is largely under control. He doesn't stick well to the Southern accent, but at least the "normal" Mid-Atlantic-style accent sticks. Sadly, his rare slips into an Irish accent tend to be showcased on the promo spots you may have seen...DOH.

Gong Li is both one of the strong points and weak points (though mostly a strong point). She looks radiant, and her scenes with Farrell look very natural. The two are obviously favorites with film-makers based on their emotive eyes, and the combo is potent here. Where she is weak is definitely in her English line readings. Those not paying full attention will not understand some important lines unfortunately. But again, in scenes such as when she and Farrell take the boat out the movie is at its best.

Foxx does well enough, though it is more Farrell's movie. And I think Mann was correct to leave out backstory in favor of--mostly--nonverbal communication. You can tell from looks (sometimes off in the background) and body language that these guys and their team members have been there together and know their stuff.

Gunfights as expected rock the house with sharp realism and even sharper reports of gunfire.

There are some potential negatives for audiences beyond possibly not getting what Gong Li says. Those who don't know of (or agree with) the intent of the style of filming will find it easy to criticize scenes where the grain really is a bit strong. And a minor gripe is that Ciarin Hinds is somewhat wasted here. The guy has a look and presence to him that made the scene where he "backs down" from Barry Shabaka Henley's character seem odd.

But overall, I really liked the film.
 
Anyone else catch the nod to Collateral?
Jamie Foxx basically riffs on Tom Cruise in Club Fever during Vice's opening club scene when he takes down that guy.
 
being Haitian there are a few lines spoken in Haitian Creole that added to the film for me

Sonny/Rico with mask steals drugs: - I think is was Jamie Foxx who said in Haitian Creole "Shut Your Mouth" before he hit a guy in the head with a gun

José Yero (John Ortiz) later said those are our drugs stolen by Haitians -

I was like what?! then I remembered the "shut your mouth" line said before the guy got hit with the gun

a few other things was said but I need to see this movie again :)
 
Chris Cornell was my highlight. I didn't expect that. I had no idea he was on the soundtrack.
 
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