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The Official MIAMI VICE Discussion

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EviLore said:
It's a subdued, slow burn type of film. Doesn't go over the top with anything...and there's a lot of care and precision evident in the filmmaking. If I had to compare it to another Mann film I'd say Heat for sure.
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I think even after all the hype this movie will still go as the most underrated Mann movie

too bad I think Farrell/Foxx worked well, Vice 2 would have been nice

I would like to see an extended cut DVD, what's this about a boat race? and problems with locations?

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O.T. I saw the trailer for Snakes on a Plane... well no... I heard it while hiding my face behind my hands and taking little peeks though my opened fingers like a girly-Man... I HATE SNAKES! I will not be seeing that movie!
 
Christopher said:
I'm going to go see it right now with my buddies g/f...and shake 8)

later
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Hells yeah Bio, see you there :D


But really I could see this tonight, but will hold off until tomorrow. My friend got hit by an electrical failure, so no party. And another friend is coming home tomorrow, so I'm sticking it out to see it with him...

*SHAKE PARTIES ALONE TONIGHT IN A SEA OF HOPELESSNESS AND MISERY*

:*(
 
MIAMI VICE. PUT YOUR TALLYWHA\CKERS AWAY ROTTENTOMATOES THERE AINT NOTHING GOONNA SPOIL THIS MOVIE FOR ME. PUT A PERIOD AT THE END OF THAT
 
I had just about the best set of trailers I've ever seen together. Borat, Babel, Departed, Black Dahlia, Children of Men. Vice had a lot to live up to after that. :)

It did
 
I have to see this movie again so I told my gf I stayed home sick... so we will see it together next week... maybe with this little lie I can work my way into a shower scene after :D
 
I watched a matinee this afternoon. As soon as I heard "Numb" I went "O shit, this isnt going to be good". Then after it quickly ended, the rest of the movie was great. I really enjoyed the last shootout and the o so beautiful shots of the plane in the sky. It truly is a beautiful film. Every shot was carefully planned as you can tell. It just looks great. Some flaws; the plot was total shit compared to Collateral and Heat. I really didnt get any satisfaction at the conclusion. Also, some of the words and sentences spoken I could not understand. I never watched an episode of Miami Vice in my life and so it was hard knowing ZERO background on the two main characters. I cant help but compare this to Jamie Foxx's emotional and deep character in Collateral. In this film I dont give a shit about the two main characters. That problem would have been different if I had watched the TV Series. I also was waiting for some nice shots of Mami in the day, but the entire movie was dark. Anyways, I know I stated alot of negatives, but I still enjoyed this movie very much. (7/10)
 
I saw it this afternoon. I don't think it's anywhere near Heat or Collateral, or his "serious" movies like The Insider or Ali (which was better in its director's cut). But I'm still making up my mind about it. My friend and I talked about it for hours afterward, which is more than I can say for most other movies this summer.

Points of discussion:

+ cinematography. It looks like Collateral, for better or worse--personally, I liked the look of Collateral. The Universal logo is even washed out to match the movie's color palette.

+ when someone gets shot in that movie, you can be damn sure they're dead.

+ the muddy sound mix and the resultant garbled dialogue. Actually, that's a result of sound mix, plus assumed accents of actors, plus Michael Mann-speak. The characters often seem to be speaking some sort of invented cop language that reminded me of A Clockwork Orange more than anything else. I don't think I've heard the term "go-fast boat" used in any other film, and I'm not sure that that term describes anything that the word "speedboat" doesn't.

+ the troubling lack of character development, which is unlike a Michael Mann movie. There were no characters here that were as compelling for me as even the minor characters in Heat--they all seemed like ciphers, or types that were better executed in other Mann movies (the cop who juggles romance and his job, e.g.)

+ too much Farrell IMO; not enough Foxx.

+ a lot of loose ends in the plot--threads start up and get dropped with abandon. Characters live and die and you never find out their names. One gets the feeling that what plot there is was only nailed down in the editing room. When it works, the movie feels like a dream; when it doesn't, the movie feels half-assed.

I want to see it again to decide, and I really think it might benefit from a recut (like Ali did), but right now it feels like 2.5 stars/4 to me.
 
It was a lot slower than I expected to be, but things eventually picked up towards the end. I can see what Mann was going for, trying to build up the love story and all...but I think some more focus on the mission (or the team) could have made things a tad bit better.

Would I watch it in the theater again? No.
Would I buy the dvd? Yeah.

A guy from work ran into me after I got out and asked me if it was anything like Bad Boys. I just told him honestly right there that it was on the opposite end of the spectrum when compared to Bad Boys. Far more serious, no forced comedy, much slower pace.

I'd give Miami Vice a B-
 
I went to see this movie at Pacific Place in downtown seattle. Right after the scene where Colin Farell is holding the grenade, the film melts down. I got my money back plus 3 free tickets, so I will go see it tommorow.
 
Chony said:
I went to see this movie at Pacific Place in downtown seattle. Right after the scene where Colin Farell is holding the grenade, the film melts down. I got my money back plus 3 free tickets, so I will go see it tommorow.
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melts down? :lol

that sucks... well at least u got free tickets for your trouble
 
Saw it loved it. Shake you better see it or have seen it by the time you see this post. I knew this movie was going to be good. It's a popcorn flick, pure and simple I mean it's a bit above par of your normal ones...but at it's core it's just there to entertain. What was odd though is that this was a Friday movie and the movie wasn't nearly as packed as it was say when I was watching POTC2.
 
Christopher said:
Saw it loved it. Shake you better see it or have seen it by the time you see this post. I knew this movie was going to be good. It's a popcorn flick, pure and simple I mean it's a bit above par of your normal ones...but at it's core it's just there to entertain. What was odd though is that this was a Friday movie and the movie wasn't nearly as packed as it was say when I was watching POTC2.
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I would trust your review, but alas you only own 9 MOVIES ON DVD!!

;)
 
Christopher said:
It's a popcorn flick, pure and simple I mean it's a bit above par of your normal ones...but at it's core it's just there to entertain.
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It's the exact opposite of a popcorn flick. It's subtle and layered, full of brooding scenes with little to no overt dialogue, expecting the audience to pick up nuances in gesture to fully understand what's going on. Nevermind that when there is dialogue, it's mostly in quiet guttural spurts filled with intentionally obtuse jargon that requires concentration and some deciphering. Prospero mentioned A Clockwork Orange and yeah that seems appropriate.

Popcorn movie? O_o
 
EviLore said:
It's the exact opposite of a popcorn flick. It's subtle and layered, full of brooding scenes with little to no overt dialogue, expecting the audience to pick up nuances in gesture to fully understand what's going on. Nevermind that when there is dialogue, it's mostly in quiet guttural spurts filled with intentionally obtuse jargon that requires concentration and some deciphering. Prospero mentioned A Clockwork Orange and yeah that seems appropriate.

Popcorn movie? O_o
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You really liked it right Evilore? I dig your review of this film :)


O.T. I have been watching the Miami Vice tv series again I can't believe how many huge stars that came as guests in this series, back then no one knew them
 
Smiles and Cries said:
O.T. I have been watching the Miami Vice tv series again I can't believe how many huge stars that came as guests in this series, back then no one knew them
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Yeah, young Michael Madsen, young Bruce Willis (his first credited role according to imdb), young Ed O'Neill...and that's just in the first half of season 1.



You really liked it right Evilore?
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Yeah, I liked it. But don't expect mainstream audiences to ;b
 
What are you talking EvilLore? You really gotta dig for substance and layering I mean it's ok but I wouldn't say it's that far above your average action movie...
 
Christopher said:
What are you talking EvilLore? You really gotta dig for substance and layering I mean it's ok but I wouldn't say it's that far above your average action movie...
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NOW YOU'VE CROSSED THE ****ING LINE ALRIGHT LET'S THROW SOME FISTICUFFS BIOHAZARD!!!!

>:(
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I enjoyed the film - it is absolutely breathtaking to watch, IMO the cinematography tops Collateral even.

I really wasn't sure about Colin Farrell as the lead, but I think he managed okay, he was definitely believable, and hardly any spurts of his Irish accent were heard. However, Gong Li was much more difficult, partially because of the muddy sound mixing, and partly because her accent, but I really had to strain myself to hear what she was saying.

The climax of the movie was definitely heart-pounding, and
the shoot-out sequence
was spectacular. Definitely reminded me of Heat in the sound-effects. :D

My biggest complaint was that there wasn't really a major "oomph" scene, like the heist in Heat or the club in Collateral - whoever said it was like a slow burn (EvilLore?) was right on the money.

Oh, and the remix of In the Air Tonight - good lord, that was bad.

I think I'll see it again - definitely recommended.
 
I didn't care for it. It felt like Mann-lite. The action sequences were top-notch, cinematography was gorgeous, but the whole thing just felt really empty.

And unfortunately I just didn't buy Colin Farrell at all. While watching it, I kept thinking about what, say, Russell Crowe could have done with the role.

The music was good. I could have done with a little less Audioslave, but then I can't stand Chris Cornell. The Mogwai at the end was pretty awesome, though.

Eh, I don't know. Maybe with time it will grow on me. It had its moments, but I definitely would put it at the bottom of Mann's filmography. The Summer of Disappointment continues...
 
The problem with Mann's movies is that he expects the audience to know/figure out whats going on. There were few scenes where I was lost. I also thought Rico's character was not "suave" enough. Isn't he suppose to be a ladies man? It was a little rushed and the intimate scenes dragged and choked the movie. But the action scenes made up for it. Collin and Foxx did a pretty good job and I really hope there's a second Miami Vice.

Overall, I enjoyed it.
 
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The problem? Thats one of my favorite things about Mann. He doesn't spoon feed or pander. Hes one of the few directors that trusts that you, the viewer, does indeed have a brain and an attention span.

Well, Ive had a night to ponder the movie, and Im bumping up my initial rating from a 7 to an 8. I evidently enjoyed it more than I had initially thought. I was out for a few drinks last night, and found myself giving the film rave reviews to my friends, and haven't really stopped thinking about it yet. So, I think this is a Mann film that is going to take several viewing to really get a firm grasp on how much I liked it. I think this could turn into Mann's underrated film. If it tanks at the box office, I can see "cult classic" written all over this thing.

Also, Christopher, popcorn flick? What in the hell? See more movies, my son. This was the anti-thesis to the popcorn movie.

Shit, I cant stop thinking about this one. DEFINATELY seeing it once more theatrically. Best summer movie this year at least.
 
I saw it last night and loved it. I really was not expecting to like it too much, but damn, it was awesome! There were a couple parts where I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I like how Mann did that. It adds to the realism. If they were explaining every little thing they were doing, it would be bs. Real undercover cops wouldn't be doing that crap.
 
The one glaring plothole that was never addressed (unless I missed it):
who was the FBI leak? Or is that just not relevant to the story Mann was telling?
 
The movie keeps growing on me Shakester! I walked out thinking it was very good, and now I think it was fcuking great. Second viewing is totally happening sometime this week.
 
Solo said:
The one glaring plothole that was never addressed (unless I missed it):
who was the FBI leak? Or is that just not relevant to the story Mann was telling?
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I'm not sure if it was relevant to this cut but I think we missed out on a lot due to production problems

some say Rico (Foxx) was not used enough here is why

Foxx ended up leaving in the middle of production, after a shooting (and we don't mean the kind with a camera) took place during filming in the Dominican Republic. Foxx refused to return for any more work outside the United States, meaning that Mann had to rewrite the ending, eliminating a version that was to have been shot in Paraguay.
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http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2006/07/mann_talks_miami_vice_problems.html

I really think this movie could have turned out better if everything went fine with the production
 
It was really good, I enjoyed it.

Again, the cinematography was extremely great, as in other Mann films. I like how the story flowed together... it seemed like everything (
except the FBI leak plothole
fit in well in the movie. Farrel and Foxx both did awesome jobs. They seemed to be serious thoughout the movie, and not very emotional with their characters, but between the lines you could see the actual emotions shown in the movie between the various characters.

The ending was pure brilliance, and exactly what was needed to end the movie.
The shots cutting back and forth from Farrell's character saying his last goodbyes to his woman while Foxx's character is waiting for his girlfriend to wake up from the coma
is awesome, and very emotional, and exactly how this film needed to end.

THis could have a successful sequel, I think.

I'm definitely seeing it again. I got off late from work and missed about eight minutes of the film, but outside of that, great movie, and probably the most pleasurable movie experience I've had in terms of disruptions and other things happening during the film.
 
I dont think there will be a sequel, for two reasons. First and foremost, its not going to do much at the box office. Forecasts for opening weekend are around $26M, very small for a $150M film. Second, Mann's never done a sequel, and I dont think he's the type that would do one. He seems to like to keep the creative juices flowing, and jump from project to project. That said, Id 100% be on board if there ever were to be a sequel.

Also, I must also chime to say how much I loved that Mann didnt waste time or exposition, or show flashbacks to establish the Tubbs/Crockett relationship. The subtle looks and dialogue and body language (a real testament to Foxx and Farrell) let the audience know these guys have a long history, without descending into the cliche "how we met" flahback.
 
awesome movie. I liked the way it built tension till the boiling point and then BOOM! the most realistic "stylized" gun fights ever. Great sound design.
 
And how about Tubbs
spraying Yero's insides about 10 feet back and all over the place with the grenade launcher thingie? If that wasn't the most badass kill of this summer movie season, or this year overall, I don't know what is.

I also really can't wait for Mann's commentary on the DVD. Loved his one on Collateral, and I really hope he speaks about the issues with Foxx, though Im sure he wont.
 
Solo said:
And how about Tubbs
spraying Yero's insides about 10 feet back and all over the place with the grenade launcher thingie? If that wasn't the most badass kill of this summer movie season, or this year overall, I don't know what is.
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Pretty much. That kicked so much ass...
 
Solo said:
I dont think there will be a sequel, for two reasons. First and foremost, its not going to do much at the box office. Forecasts for opening weekend are around $26M, very small for a $150M film. Second, Mann's never done a sequel, and I dont think he's the type that would do one.
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In many ways this is a Good thing - I just hope Universal does not try to find another director an do a Vice 2 anyway - so making no money at the box office is the best thing for this film. Its awesome :)
 
Solo said:
And how about Tubbs
spraying Yero's insides about 10 feet back and all over the place with the grenade launcher thingie? If that wasn't the most badass kill of this summer movie season, or this year overall, I don't know what is.

I also really can't wait for Mann's commentary on the DVD. Loved his one on Collateral, and I really hope he speaks about the issues with Foxx, though Im sure he wont.
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WHY DID I HIGHLIGHT THE SPOILER?! :(
 
Smiles and Cries said:
In many ways this is a Good thing - I just hope Universal does not try to find another director an do a Vice 2 anyway - so making no money at the box office is the best thing for this film. Its awesome :)
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Not to mention also that, if you believe IMDb, Mann's already got his next 3 directing gigs lined up. Oh, and they all sound awesome.
 
I was even more impressed with Crockett's finisher, big spoiler
trying to keep irate Isabella from shooting him in confused rage while shooting against the main supremacist bad guy; forcefully slams both himself and Isabella down to avoid the guy's gunfire whizzing overhead, then blasts the guy's ankle to drop him under the SUV, then finally nails him twice square in the head while lying down
.

Quadruple ownage?
 
Solo said:
And how about Tubbs
spraying Yero's insides about 10 feet back and all over the place with the grenade launcher thingie? If that wasn't the most badass kill of this summer movie season, or this year overall, I don't know what is.
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OH HELL YES! many great kills in this movie
from the way the FBI guys got owned in the beginning to the way the bullets entered that Nazi dudes skull, and finally the way Tubbs does Yero.

SHAKE leave this thread now!
 
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