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The Official UFC 67: All or Nothing Discussion thread
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Good night, some quick ass fights there, a 19 second match and a 14 second match.
Crocop looked awesome, just relentless stalked Sanchez around the ring while Sanchez ran around looking scared as all hell. The best was how the whole fight he had his right hand covering his head in expectation of the kick, which when finally thrown went OVER the hand and nailed him flush.
Also kudos to Silva for winning via BJJ when everyone said he had no chance on the ground with Lutter.
Crocop looked awesome, just relentless stalked Sanchez around the ring while Sanchez ran around looking scared as all hell. The best was how the whole fight he had his right hand covering his head in expectation of the kick, which when finally thrown went OVER the hand and nailed him flush.
Also kudos to Silva for winning via BJJ when everyone said he had no chance on the ground with Lutter.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Cro Cop's debut was amazing. The guy calmly walked around the ring stone-faced while Sanchez was scrambling and shaking looking ****ing scared. There wasn't a single moment that Cro Cop backed down. For two rounds he literally walked forward into Sanchez non-stop ready to beat the shit out of him while Sanchez kept backing up around the octagon in fear.
Mute said:
The Rivera vs Martin fight was a 14 second win for Martin. Rivera threw a kick that Martin caught, who then landed a spot on shot to the temple and pounded him out. 14 seconds total.
The 19 second bout was Huerta vs. Halverson. Knee to the shoulder (almost looked illegal and there was some controversy over it after the fight) and then some punches ended it, winner Huerta.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Eh? He won 4:31 into the first round.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Nevermind then. I swear it went two rounds, but all I'm remembering is Cro Cop stalking the dude like he was the Terminator.Schafer said:
Crocop's fight was hilarious, having him just stalk forward constantly while Sanchez ran away scared shitless. Sanchez had a decent chin, though. He took some left straights from Mirko that landed flush without dropping.
And that Griffin/Edgar fight was AMAZING. Early contender for fight of the year. I personally had it for Griffin, but that decision could have gone either way.
Silva was impressive. I just had a nagging feeling beforehand that he could pull out a sub on Lutter.
And that Griffin/Edgar fight was AMAZING. Early contender for fight of the year. I personally had it for Griffin, but that decision could have gone either way.
Silva was impressive. I just had a nagging feeling beforehand that he could pull out a sub on Lutter.
Ned Flanders
Banned
Silva has made for some exciting fights in the UFC...every one of them unique and highly entertaining. He's shown he's got the hands, the elbows, the knees, the kicks, and a solid defensive and offensive guard from the bottom. You would have thought that he would have been the last thing the UFC wanted for the middleweight division; a foreign-born non-English-speaking assassin who comes in and humiliates your chosen-one golden boy on his way to dominating his opponents (in exciting fashion) for some time to come. But this sets up beautifully in that, a) UFC fans are getting quite a bit more savy as time goes on (notice the cheers at good submission attempts) and Silva has earned their respect with his no-nonsense style and execution and b) assuming Franklin is able to retool and return to form, it sets up for a fantastic rematch later in the year. A big draw for sure. Rich is gonna have his fans for sure, and Silva has done all that could be expected, and more, to impress both casual and hardcore MMA fans. I was thinking that in the future, his (and subsequenlty Rampage and CC's) acquisition could be pointed to as a pivotal turning point in UFC's ascention to the top of the MMA world, in the US and abroad.
Page definitely looked nervous, and I never lost the feeling that with the right combination of strikes, Eastman could easily turn the fight in his favor, but in the end Page showed off a little bit of highly improved Thai skill (some nice kicks and a couple of classic Rampage knees to the body) and the veteran experience not to pursue a takedown with Eastman in spite of his wrestling instincts. Eastmans smaller stance gave him all the leverage to squash Rampage's considerable take downs, and in the end Rampage used his height to angle Eastman into some half-clinch "dirty-boxing" style uppercuts. He sealed the deal and handled his business, but know that he's every bit the honest man when he says that he needs some polish before stepping back in with Chuck. He didn't seem to strike with a whole lot of pop (where were the fierce right hand haymakers that leveled Chuck and Lindland?) and he seemed tentative to trade with Eastman's strikes. If he doesn't want to trade with Eastman, Chuck will stalk his ass into a casket. We'll see..how about..Jardine for a tuneup? Rashad?.....LYOTO???
For all of Page's alleged jitters, CC looked like a f*cking mechanized assassin out there. Every bit the cyborg that Fedor is proclaimed to be. He walked into the f*cking Octagon like he was going to f*ck your wife in front of you and you were going to tell him how much you enjoyed watching. And that was that. He walked into the fight like Steven Seagal throwing hands with Willy Wonka. Admittedly, he didn't land that money shot that we all wanted...a big bomb "Sapp killer" left hand or the dreaded head kick of death, but you never had a doubt who was in complete command of the bout and what the inevitable result would be. Crocop's attitude lended itself completely to this feeling of inevitability. Like he's going to walk into the Octagon and relentlessly f*ck up everyone they put in front of him until they hand him the belt and the fattest contract in MMA history. He'll earn a star on the Hollywood walk of fame, the President will invite him to come play golf, and mothers across Croatia with offer up their virgin daughters to suck his c*ck daily, just for the honor. America, meet your new king.
Griffin/Edgar was entertaining as hell, with a whole plethora of skills being put on display, a sprinkle of controversy, and an exciting finish to the whole thing. Both fighters showed incredible guts out there, not to mention incredible wrestling, striking and submission skills executed at a brisk pace. In fact, throughout many of the fights, I got a strong sense of how much MMA has really come into it's own as far as development. The Stevens/Cote fight, despite being booed heavily, had such versatile styles on display; strong Greco work, nice striking, sick reversals and some slick defense. The well rounded-ness of MMA fighters is getting such that the higher level fighters seem as though they could compete amongst the best of each of the disciplines they practice. It's no longer just the one-dimensional guys that get eaten alive, the 2.5 dimensional guys are struggling too because the elite are very very strong in at least 3 disciplines, if not more. It's amazing to see how far things have come, even in the last six or seven years.
There was a definite Pride vibe tonight though. Familiar faces aside, even the style of action -the Silva fight in particular with foot stomps, upkicks from the ground, and extensive BJJ work (Lutter even pulled the Noguiera/Arona lay-n-pray lol)- felt very Pride-esque. And of course seeing any heavyweight of CC's stature in the Octagon immediately arouses thoughts of the deph and quality of Pride's HW division. In all, I think the UFC has progressed leaps and bounds in a matter of months, and is moving in an amazing direction by actively targeting and acquiring talent from other top-notch organizations. Hopefully with the continued education and maturation of American UFC fans, we'll start to see greater acceptance and respect toward foreign contenders, and fewer "boo" and "USA" jeers and chants. And hopefully, the talent will continue to roll in. You got me Dana. You got me..
Page definitely looked nervous, and I never lost the feeling that with the right combination of strikes, Eastman could easily turn the fight in his favor, but in the end Page showed off a little bit of highly improved Thai skill (some nice kicks and a couple of classic Rampage knees to the body) and the veteran experience not to pursue a takedown with Eastman in spite of his wrestling instincts. Eastmans smaller stance gave him all the leverage to squash Rampage's considerable take downs, and in the end Rampage used his height to angle Eastman into some half-clinch "dirty-boxing" style uppercuts. He sealed the deal and handled his business, but know that he's every bit the honest man when he says that he needs some polish before stepping back in with Chuck. He didn't seem to strike with a whole lot of pop (where were the fierce right hand haymakers that leveled Chuck and Lindland?) and he seemed tentative to trade with Eastman's strikes. If he doesn't want to trade with Eastman, Chuck will stalk his ass into a casket. We'll see..how about..Jardine for a tuneup? Rashad?.....LYOTO???
For all of Page's alleged jitters, CC looked like a f*cking mechanized assassin out there. Every bit the cyborg that Fedor is proclaimed to be. He walked into the f*cking Octagon like he was going to f*ck your wife in front of you and you were going to tell him how much you enjoyed watching. And that was that. He walked into the fight like Steven Seagal throwing hands with Willy Wonka. Admittedly, he didn't land that money shot that we all wanted...a big bomb "Sapp killer" left hand or the dreaded head kick of death, but you never had a doubt who was in complete command of the bout and what the inevitable result would be. Crocop's attitude lended itself completely to this feeling of inevitability. Like he's going to walk into the Octagon and relentlessly f*ck up everyone they put in front of him until they hand him the belt and the fattest contract in MMA history. He'll earn a star on the Hollywood walk of fame, the President will invite him to come play golf, and mothers across Croatia with offer up their virgin daughters to suck his c*ck daily, just for the honor. America, meet your new king.
Griffin/Edgar was entertaining as hell, with a whole plethora of skills being put on display, a sprinkle of controversy, and an exciting finish to the whole thing. Both fighters showed incredible guts out there, not to mention incredible wrestling, striking and submission skills executed at a brisk pace. In fact, throughout many of the fights, I got a strong sense of how much MMA has really come into it's own as far as development. The Stevens/Cote fight, despite being booed heavily, had such versatile styles on display; strong Greco work, nice striking, sick reversals and some slick defense. The well rounded-ness of MMA fighters is getting such that the higher level fighters seem as though they could compete amongst the best of each of the disciplines they practice. It's no longer just the one-dimensional guys that get eaten alive, the 2.5 dimensional guys are struggling too because the elite are very very strong in at least 3 disciplines, if not more. It's amazing to see how far things have come, even in the last six or seven years.
There was a definite Pride vibe tonight though. Familiar faces aside, even the style of action -the Silva fight in particular with foot stomps, upkicks from the ground, and extensive BJJ work (Lutter even pulled the Noguiera/Arona lay-n-pray lol)- felt very Pride-esque. And of course seeing any heavyweight of CC's stature in the Octagon immediately arouses thoughts of the deph and quality of Pride's HW division. In all, I think the UFC has progressed leaps and bounds in a matter of months, and is moving in an amazing direction by actively targeting and acquiring talent from other top-notch organizations. Hopefully with the continued education and maturation of American UFC fans, we'll start to see greater acceptance and respect toward foreign contenders, and fewer "boo" and "USA" jeers and chants. And hopefully, the talent will continue to roll in. You got me Dana. You got me..
Was anyone here able to watch the HD broadcast? I have Comcast cable(I live in Atlanta) and me and my friends were hyped up for it. So I ordered it and waited around til 9:30 when it reminds me to switch the channel to the event. Whenever I tried tuning to the channel (801) it would just sit there. Pissed me off so much. Called up Comcast who said they had a couple of complaints about it and that it should be fixed soon. 30 minutes later still no HD broadcast. So I call them up again and tell them they better not charge me for that and I want the SD version if it is working. Luckily that came through. I really wanted to see it in HD though. = (
sephiroth6
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Mirko made all croatians feel proud(me included) but i am disapointed that sanchez didnt get nocked out properly(left high kick or something similar) but still a great show mirko.
Is it just me or did Sliva look very bad last night? Lutter was really slow and sloppy looking and was still able to take Silva down at will! You could tell Lutter was no where near 100%. I can't wait for Silva/Franklin 2, I'm sure Franklin will dominate this time. All he has to do is take it to the ground.
valparaiso
I had an Al Sharpton friend...Once! Well not a friend really, but we talked a few times. Well one time. Well I yelled out my window "GET OFF MY LAWN!"
any vids or gifs of this ppv, please?
http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/UFC/video/x14mvx_mirkofilipovicvseddiesanchez
Crocop vs. Sanchez. Doubt it will stay up for long.
Crocop vs. Sanchez. Doubt it will stay up for long.
that edgar fight was awesome. just watching him trying to survive that leg hold all the while staring at the clock waiting for the fight to end... bad ass. had to hurt like a mutha. i'm really glad he won.
the crocop fight was cool too, just to see him completely dominate the whole thing. is it just me, or does sanchez bare an uncanny resemblance to stern's beattlejuice? :lol
the crocop fight was cool too, just to see him completely dominate the whole thing. is it just me, or does sanchez bare an uncanny resemblance to stern's beattlejuice? :lol
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Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
op_ivy said:
One of the people I was watching the show with last night said the same thing.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Slo said:
GSP hurt his knee training. Its now gonna be the main event for UFC 69.
Uno Ill Nino
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HEY! I got some questions for some of you, probably Boogie is the best guy to answer them.
Did Frank Shamrock ever fight Boss "El Whoppo" Rutin? Was it in Pride or Pancrase or something? And is Frank Shamrock truly undefeated? I know there's an event coming up on Showtime this month where Frank Shamrock is fighting Renzo Gracie and they're touting that Frank was never beaten and that he retired as the middleweight champion of UFC at age 23. Anyone got their MMA history books handy?
In UFC related questions, I thought I remember reading that Diego Sanchez was on the card for UFC 68 against Josh "The Blanket" Koscheck? Did that fall apart or did I imagine that? I thought I read it here on GAF.
That's all for questions. Thanks in advance to any who answer.
About last night's PPV, it was one of the weakest cards I've ever seen. They practically had Rampage and Mirko CARRY the thing on their shoulders. The Lutter vs Silva fight was something I could watch and look forward to, but it was the ONE fight all night that I cared about. I mean, I liked seeing the new stars make their debut, but come on. Padded fights all the way.
And how come you guys think Mirko will just walk through the heavyweight division? He could lose. He's lost before. I had written off Brandon Vera, but my dad reminded me that he's undefeated in the UFC. And Andre Arlovski is a very impressive fighter. He could KO Mirko. He's got awesome power in his hands. And what about Sylvia? He's like 6'8! Can Mirko get his foot that high? I know a lot of you guys hate him, but I've enjoyed watching him fight and I don't think he'd be a pushover against Mirko. Don't forget that Sylvia trains in the same house as Hughes, Franklin, and the rest of the Militage camp.
I don't think we'll see Mirko fight any of the top stars for a while anyway. It'd be a waste to throw him at any of the guys I mentioned. They're all guys the UFC is trying to build up and what kind of a draw would Mirko be if he lost to one of them? Or what draw would they be if they lost to him right away? Vera is trying to build up some steam, Arlovski is gaining back lost ground still, Couture JUST came out of retirement, etc.
Look at it from a business perspective. UFC is.
Did Frank Shamrock ever fight Boss "El Whoppo" Rutin? Was it in Pride or Pancrase or something? And is Frank Shamrock truly undefeated? I know there's an event coming up on Showtime this month where Frank Shamrock is fighting Renzo Gracie and they're touting that Frank was never beaten and that he retired as the middleweight champion of UFC at age 23. Anyone got their MMA history books handy?
In UFC related questions, I thought I remember reading that Diego Sanchez was on the card for UFC 68 against Josh "The Blanket" Koscheck? Did that fall apart or did I imagine that? I thought I read it here on GAF.
That's all for questions. Thanks in advance to any who answer.
About last night's PPV, it was one of the weakest cards I've ever seen. They practically had Rampage and Mirko CARRY the thing on their shoulders. The Lutter vs Silva fight was something I could watch and look forward to, but it was the ONE fight all night that I cared about. I mean, I liked seeing the new stars make their debut, but come on. Padded fights all the way.
And how come you guys think Mirko will just walk through the heavyweight division? He could lose. He's lost before. I had written off Brandon Vera, but my dad reminded me that he's undefeated in the UFC. And Andre Arlovski is a very impressive fighter. He could KO Mirko. He's got awesome power in his hands. And what about Sylvia? He's like 6'8! Can Mirko get his foot that high? I know a lot of you guys hate him, but I've enjoyed watching him fight and I don't think he'd be a pushover against Mirko. Don't forget that Sylvia trains in the same house as Hughes, Franklin, and the rest of the Militage camp.
I don't think we'll see Mirko fight any of the top stars for a while anyway. It'd be a waste to throw him at any of the guys I mentioned. They're all guys the UFC is trying to build up and what kind of a draw would Mirko be if he lost to one of them? Or what draw would they be if they lost to him right away? Vera is trying to build up some steam, Arlovski is gaining back lost ground still, Couture JUST came out of retirement, etc.
Look at it from a business perspective. UFC is.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Uno Ill Nino said:
To be honest, that Crocop fight looks devastating. You guys weren't kidding when you said he looked like Terminator going after Sanchez there. You can't even really fault Sanchez-- he's going against the second best heavyweight in the world. It's like a really sweet college player trying to post up Michael Jordan-- lasting almost a full round is a pretty good accomplishment :lol
Dagless M.D.
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Uno Ill Nino said:
He had no trouble with the 6'6 Aleksander Emelianenko, i'd say he could reach.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/CroCopKick.JPG
valparaiso
I had an Al Sharpton friend...Once! Well not a friend really, but we talked a few times. Well one time. Well I yelled out my window "GET OFF MY LAWN!"
Schafer said:
thanks!
I have to say I'm most impressed with Frank Edgar. I don't know who he is but he came off well rounded and quite experienced in there. He seemed to go to transitions and positions on the ground naturally and think in the middle of a fight, allowing him to counter Tyson's hard leg kicks. Let's not forget about that determination to win at the risk of his knee either.
Crab Shaker
Doesn't pay his sources
Anyone got the presale promo code for UFC 69 in houston?
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
Uno Ill Nino said:
In Pancrase, when Pancrase was only open hand slapfighting. karasu answered the results of their meetings.
Shamrock is 21-7-1. He was undefeated in 5 UFC fights, and then retired for a bit. Since then, he is content to fight cans and over the hill fighters and is completely irrelevant to top-level MMA today.
UFC 69, April 7.
He could lose in the same sense that anyone can lose. I mean, it's MMA, that's the one of the defining features of the sport. Out of Vera, Arlovski, and Sylvia, I think Arlovski has the best chance simply because of his power. If he connected with a punch like the one that knocked out Paul Buentello, then sure, Mirko might go down.
But it sure as hell isn't likely. And no way in hell that Sylvia beats Mirko.
As for whether Crocop can kick high enough to nail Sylvia, here's Mirko fighting a K-1 fight against Jan "The Giant" Nortje, who is 6'11".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5nQym69OcY
The UFC might not want to wait too long. After all, they gave Anderson Silva a title shot after only one UFC fight. And Dana has gone on record as saying that Mirko might be worthy of a direct shot at the title. You can take too long to build someone up, after all.
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