Haven't been able to watch most of this so far. I watched Oudin lose to Radwanska at Wimbledon, she had her chances and I recall thinking that she just needed a better temperament to win that game. I was neutral initially, but I was surrounded by a bunch of overly enthusiastic Americans from Texas and Georgia, so I started to secretly root for Radwanska. Did Oudin improve since then? Is this just a better surface for her or is it home crowd advantage for her?
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Well, Petrova really choked this match away. Not sure if I can handle seeing Oudin's face anymore. It's a nice story, but I can't just cheer for any American player like some people can.
Timbuktu said:
She is no different from her match against Jankovic at Wimbledon. She faced Dementieva who inexplicably through the match away and Sharapova who served nearly 2 sets worth of double faults. Everyone of her bigger opponents have messed up against her.
She has a great forehand. Appalling serve to boot, gets about the court very well but nothing much else going on. She is easily broken and if her opponents don't throw away their service games, at this age and maturity she should be a walkover. But player after player has bottled it.
She'd possibly get bageled by Serena.
agrajag said:
I don't mind it, seems like they are trying. Then again when watching Roger play I get mesmerized by the way in which he appears to put no effort into the game.
Seles was always a favourite of mine and since watching Sharapova at Birmingham in 2003 instant hit with many.
Sharapova was good at holding her serve prior to the injury.
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avaya said:
She's going to get Wozniacki or Kutznetsova next and they can both annihilate her.
good lord, this chick looks like a fucking troll doll.
You hear that, guys? ATP rankings are overrated. They're not aggregated points from placements in tournaments throughout the year, they're overrated. Apparently there is some guy at the ATP who gives out arbitrary rankings!:lol
Speevy said:
You hear that, guys? ATP rankings are overrated. They're not aggregated points from placements in tournaments throughout the year, they're overrated. Apparently there is some guy at the ATP who gives out arbitrary rankings!:lol
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:lol This is why I prefer to not discuss tennis with other guys.
Congrats to Oudin, glad to see a new American step it up a bit. As far as her next round match, Kuznetsova is one of the most erratic players around, if she get's Kuzy she probably wins. Can't wait to see Isner/Verdasco and Fed too! Should be good stuff today, just miss watching it in HD damnit!
agrajag said:
I don't know who you're talking to, but direct your anger elsewhere.
If Oudin plays as badly as you're saying, then surely a seasoned player who loses to her must have significant holes in their game.
I'm only following your logic. Melanie Oudin, whether by accident or will, has taken down players who were expected to beat her in this tournament. Now, either those players aren't as good as people thought they were, or Melanie Oudin is amazing.
Since you disagree with the latter, it can only be the former.
Speevy said:
Are you dense? Yes, there were major holes in her opponents games. Like Sharapova not having a fucking serve because of a major injury. Dementieva "not that good?" "Oudin is amazing?" Did you just start watching tennis, or are you some sort of joker/troll character?:lol
Speevy said:
No one is angry, if anyone should be, it should be fucking me. To say a player that loses to her is not as good as anyone thought is illogical. She's been lucky to meet Dementieva on a bad day and play Sharapova who gave her all her service games on a plate. This doesn't make them bad players or not as good as before. Neither does it make Oudin amazing.
Serena Williams lost to some absolute bums in Stanford and Cincinatti. Does that make her opponents amazing? No. Does that mean Serena is over rated? No.
Oudin has got lucky, so good on her. There has been nothing amazing about her performances so far.
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agrajag said:
I'm sorry, but maybe beating one of those players is just being "lucky". Beating two of them is skill. But you can't convince me that beating all three of these top players back to back to back shouldn't qualify Oudin as being a great player.
Hey, it's just tennis, guys *forgets own wild rage earlier in the thread*.
'Amazing' is subjective, but she's been very, very smart. She's played a lot of powerhouse players and she's been just flawless with her slices to chop up the tempo and frustrate the big hitters. Add great footwork and a good forehand to that and I would say she deserves her victories.
'Amazing' is subjective, but she's been very, very smart. She's played a lot of powerhouse players and she's been just flawless with her slices to chop up the tempo and frustrate the big hitters. Add great footwork and a good forehand to that and I would say she deserves her victories.
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perfectchaos007 said:
So you can become a great player in just one tournament? There are players who've won Grand Slams once and never did anything after that. Were they great players? No. But they had a good run in one Grand Slam. The number of current players that are truly "great" is very small.
perfectchaos007 said:
She's a good player. Two of these three matches have been chokejobs. The other one was like her playing against a handicapped person (Sharapova). If you refuse to see that, you're getting caught up in the hype. How many of her own serves has she dropped? And you're calling her great? Her opponents just sucked. That happens sometimes. I'll say it again, Serena will completely demolish her if they meet.
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Peru said:
exactly. her style of play does frustrate players which will make you think her opponent is having a "bad day" but if you change up the pace, which the womens game doesn't see too often, the opponent will run off more errors.
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agrajag said:
I wasn't arguing that at all. I proposed that either their reputations were questionable or that she was really a great player.
Now, given the nature of women's tennis (especially in this tournament) many points come down to shameful errors, double faults, etc. So when you're saying "luck", I say which of these women's matches outside Serena maybe have been pure skill?
I'm not pretending to understand what kind of player Oudin is compared to the rest of the women out there. What I do understand is that she clearly wants to win, and this has carried her far. And if this bothers you, chill out.
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