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The Oneechanbara TGS kiosk

Banana Aeon said:
It's a really basic hack n slash. It's not a bad game, but at the same time, it's not really good.
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Yeah, it's basically what you'd expect from a series that began its life as a Simple series game. They're budget titles and it shows. With that said, they can be a lot of fun. The Earth Defense Force series started out as a Simple title as well.
 
Japan, you are perfect.

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At least nobody can see you playing, I guess (that could any anyone in jeans and a shirt). I can see people trying to usher over the assistant when it is done and asking if the coast is clear so nobody sees you leave.
 
Can't even see the picture since I'm at work, but come on now. This gotta be another case of "GAME haev TITY so its EVIL".

My philosophy about it is, you know what? Why do people care? Why does everyone get in a fuzz? Are we supposed to never do anything sex-related in games? Aren't we all adults? Everyone has sex so what's the problem? Why satanize or be ashamed of one of the most, if not THE most human possible aspect to life?

Is every depiction of sex in games, or media for that matter, supposed to be all grimdark-realistic like? If anything, there's room for variety! Give me all the sexual pandering you can, I don't care! Give me deep, dramatic storylines, give me games without sex, give me violent and give me calm and nonviolent, and give me horrendously awesome fanservice and give me great characters, there's space for all, and there's absolutely no problem with it!

I mean, stuff like nymphomaniac pops up in cinema, and everyone is creaming their pants with joy and nobody complains, even yet they regard it as something ultra modern and nice, yet a silly japanese B movie inspired game pops up and forum dudes and women get all pissy. In reality it's obvious that it's just that games need to undergo a longer history to be better regarded as a medium. Just as much as there's space in my shelf for porn, art films, hollywood blockbusters and foreign films, there's space for games like this, and of all kinds.
 
Astery said:
what are their hands doing?
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I'm just guessing here, but I'm pretty sure they had to stick their head in the cutout in order to see the tv/monitor and the hand cutouts were to access the game pad. I mean, that is a demo station after all... right?

I'm hoping I'm right.

george_us said:
I like how the hostess almost looks like she's ashamed.
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Just seems bored to me and texting someone.
 
I think this stage display is pretty gross personally, but the hypocrisy and borderline racism in people going "OH JAPAN" - as if every Japanese person is ubiquitously going to agree with and endorse that sort of thing is hilarious. If you post something of that nature, you have zero moral high ground here.
 
I'm surprised it warranted a booth, especially one of that size.

Didn't Onechanbara bomb horribly in the west on 360 and Wii?

You'd figure fanservice in the form of bikinis, zombies and katanas would be a recipe for anything BUT disaster. I'm surprised more that it was given another shot than by the blatant sexist design.

I'm a moron. I thought the Wii/360 games were the first time the series ever existed.
 
MegaMelon said:
This sure helps me explain to people why gaming isn't just for immature raging 12 year olds! Sigh
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If anyone is judging the social conscience of the entire medium from a promotional kiosk for an extremely niche, schlocky action game, you need to tell them to get their heads out of their tits asses.
 
clearly japan has been paying attention to gamergate and decided this shit will not stand, if anyone is going to creep out the entire population of gamers it will be us
 
Brofield said:
I'm surprised it warranted a booth, especially one of that size.

Didn't Onechanbara bomb horribly in the west on 360 and Wii?

You'd figure fanservice in the form of bikinis, zombies and katanas would be a recipe for anything BUT disaster. I'm surprised more that it was given another shot than by the blatant sexist design.
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Did you somehow miss that TGS is the Tokyo Game Show? For the japanese market? Some of the games presented won't ever make it out of Japan, so why care if they fit western morales?
 
kiryogi said:
Its a cultural difference. East and West. While the West it's a huge deal, it's not our place to come into some other country and force changes on their way of life. You'd never find something like Akiihabara here and it's simply crawling with maid cafes and the like. It's Japanese nerd culture. Anime wife pillows, breast mousepads, you name it. You could say, it's opressive and sexist, but at the same time, there's also the whole puritanical views on sexuality in the West vs the East.
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Cultural relativism is a well debunked position.

That said, I find it incredibly hard to get worked up over a very niche, campy game. There is an issue of sexism in Japan but I'll be surprised if Oneechanbara is a major contributing source.

Aquavelvaman said:
Finally, booth babes that are actually booths.
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I like you.
 
Brofield said:
I'm surprised it warranted a booth, especially one of that size.

Didn't Onechanbara bomb horribly in the west on 360 and Wii?

You'd figure fanservice in the form of bikinis, zombies and katanas would be a recipe for anything BUT disaster. I'm surprised more that it was given another shot than by the blatant sexist design.
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They're budget games, and the last one didn't leave Japan. This one probably won't either.
 
Brofield said:
I'm surprised it warranted a booth, especially one of that size.

Didn't Onechanbara bomb horribly in the west on 360 and Wii?

You'd figure fanservice in the form of bikinis, zombies and katanas would be a recipe for anything BUT disaster. I'm surprised more that it was given another shot than by the blatant sexist design.
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I don't understand this post.

This is TGS. Why should it matter that Oneechanbara bombed in the West? Hell, since then, there's been another PS3/360 entry in the series (Oneechanbara Z) that never made it out of Japan. The series sells well enough in Japan to warrant further sequels. Why wouldn't they give it another shot?
 
yeah this isn't a huge problem to me. I see a company who knows its audience and caters to them. That's what all companies should do since it's business and not charity. And yes Otaku culture is not just for males in Japan, there are plenty of female otakus and lots of things catering to that segment.

Everything doesn't have to be "for everyone". just like all movies are not "for everyone". We're going to make a really generic world if that's what people want.

but luckily most posts in this thread are just people laughing at the goofiness of it all.
 
BeesEight said:
Cultural relativism is a well debunked position.

That said, I find it incredibly hard to get worked up over a very niche, campy game. There is an issue of sexism in Japan but I'll be surprised if Oneechanbara is a major contributing source.



I like you.
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and what should be the standard? The way USA deal with sex? Fuck no.
 
Tohsaka said:
They're budget games, and the last one didn't leave Japan. This one probably won't either.
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Aye, Oneechanbara started as a Simple Series 2000 release. That's like bargain bin $20 tier development titles out the gate. It's been some two years since the title in any of its iterative forms came out over here in the West.

I don't think we could handle them at this point.
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Heh, that's cool.

I think it's important to remember that there is a place for this sort of thing in games, and there will continue to be so after all the recent controversies die down. You might not find it to your taste, but that doesn't mean that everyone is under obligation to stop appreciating huge breasts and the bikini tops that desperately try to contain them.
 
KHlover said:
Did you somehow miss that TGS is the Tokyo Game Show? For the japanese market? Some of the games presented won't ever make it out of Japan, so why care if they fit western morales?
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Tohsaka said:
They're budget games, and the last one didn't leave Japan. This one probably won't either.
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Seraphis Cain said:
I don't understand this post.

This is TGS. Why should it matter that Oneechanbara bombed in the West? Hell, since then, there's been another PS3/360 entry in the series (Oneechanbara Z) that never made it out of Japan. The series sells well enough in Japan to warrant further sequels. Why wouldn't they give it another shot?
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I will admit to dumbassery and lack of self-education. Feel free to disregard me.
 
BeesEight said:
Cultural relativism is a well debunked position.

That said, I find it incredibly hard to get worked up over a very niche, campy game. There is an issue of sexism in Japan but I'll be surprised if Oneechanbara is a major contributing source.
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I would tend to agree that cultural relativism is nonsense. That being said, I don't see what that idea gets us. Whose standard becomes the standard? Yours? Mine? Westerners as a whole? Whose?
 
Valkyria said:
and what should be the standard? The way USA deal with sex? Fuck no.
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I don't know, equality? Perhaps that's a bit too colonial imperialist though.

Seriously, it's not that difficult. We already have a starting point: the universal declaration of human rights. Too keep this discourse from veering well of into unrelated territory, the position is pretty clear. Even within that specific cultural environment, are the people affected by the predominant cultural attitudes disadvantaged and would they like/benefit from a change in those perceptions?

In regards to sexism in Japan, the answer is unequivocally yes. You wouldn't have Ayaka Shiomura making headlines if it were not the case.

Of course, this does not suggest that some sort of "American standard" need be adopted since the U.S.A has its own issues with sexism as well. The current Gamergate nonsense would be a very obvious and apt example of that.
 
BeesEight said:
I don't know, equality? Perhaps that's a bit too colonial imperialist though.

Seriously, it's not that difficult. We already have a starting point: the universal declaration of human rights. Too keep this discourse from veering well of into unrelated territory, the position is pretty clear. Even within that specific cultural environment, are the people affected by the predominant cultural attitudes disadvantaged and would they like/benefit from a change in those perceptions?

In regards to sexism in Japan, the answer is unequivocally yes. You wouldn't have Ayaka Shiomura making headlines if it were not the case.

Of course, this does not suggest that some sort of "American standard" need be adopted since the U.S.A has its own issues with sexism as well. The current Gamergate nonsense would be a very obvious and apt example of that.
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Ayaka Shiomuras case is apples and oranges as this is relating to Japan's nerd culture, not overall sexism in their culture. As mentioned in this thread, Oneechanbara is specially trash and meant to be, and it's catered to the East. The argument stands, where do we have the right to criticize and try and change their culture especially, when it works for both genders? Your comment of colonial imperialist is almost like when we enforced our ideals on them after WW2. It's not our place to police their culture.
 
BeesEight said:
I don't know, equality? Perhaps that's a bit too colonial imperialist though.

Seriously, it's not that difficult. We already have a starting point: the universal declaration of human rights. Too keep this discourse from veering well of into unrelated territory, the position is pretty clear. Even within that specific cultural environment, are the people affected by the predominant cultural attitudes disadvantaged and would they like/benefit from a change in those perceptions?

In regards to sexism in Japan, the answer is unequivocally yes. You wouldn't have Ayaka Shiomura making headlines if it were not the case.

Of course, this does not suggest that some sort of "American standard" need be adopted since the U.S.A has its own issues with sexism as well. The current Gamergate nonsense would be a very obvious and apt example of that.
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The Onechanbara TGS booth is gross, but free societies have the right to express even sexist opinions. Doing so is not a violation of human rights. The very notion that you think some sort of "standard" exists for how opinions should be voiced - and that it be enforced, is quite alarming.
 
kiryogi said:
Ayaka Shiomuras case is apples and oranges as this is relating to Japan's nerd culture, not overall sexism in their culture. As mentioned in this thread, Oneechanbara is specially trash and meant to be, and it's catered to the East. The argument stands, where do we have the right to criticize and try and change their culture especially, when it works for both genders? Your comment of colonial imperialist is almost like when we enforced our ideals on them after WW2. It's not our place to police their culture.
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Her case is a contemporary demonstration of the sexism in Japan which is negatively impacting the people within it. As I said, the idea that Oneechanbara is a major contribution to that is laughable but to say that "oh it's just another culture so misogyny is a-okay and we can't criticize" is just as ludicrous.

Do you think the Human Rights Watch is a colonial machine designed in order to crush poor, defenseless cultures in some sort of bizarre Western moral hegemony? The world isn't some disconnected, isolated petri dish collection of cultures and people. The idea that we must be "tolerant of intolerance" is silly. Governments enact sanctions on human rights violations and we rightfully decry issues of abuse all the time. We do not endorse female genital mutilation in Africa because "it's not our place to police the world."

As active participants in the global culture of our current day, we very much can point out undesirable opinions and actions of other nations especially when they come at the disenfranchisement of traditionally repressed individuals within those cultures.

3DimensionalAperture said:
The Onechanbara TGS booth is gross, but free societies have the right to express even sexist opinions. Doing so is not a violation of human rights. The very notion that you think some sort of "standard" exists for how opinions should be voiced - and that it be enforced, is quite alarming.
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And free societies have the right to express condemnation of their sexist opinions. It is a contradiction if you think there's no place for "universal human rights" but that there is a place for such universal statements like "other societies can't criticize."

On the off chance I'm misreading your reply, there's also different standards of free speech before we get onto a tangent about that. Other countries very much "police" certain kinds of hate speech that, for some reason, is deemed perfectly acceptable in the United States.
 
I think conflating a promotion piece of art that features imagery of exaggerated female features to some larger human rights issue is a false equivalence.
 
ThreePiMatt said:
I think conflating a promotion piece of art that features imagery of exaggerated female features to some larger human rights issue is a false equivalence.
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Well, let me try and make myself clear:

I was specifically addressing kiryogi's assertion that we can not comment on the booth because "it's just cultural differences."

That position seems silly considering that we make comments and take actions on "cultural differences" quite often and that, just because there are differences in cultures does not give those cultures a free pass on discriminatory stances. Yes, a booth pales in comparison to flagrant violations of human rights but no one is calling up global human rights agencies on oneechanbara either. Some people are just wagging their finger, which is fine.
 
I think if you personally find the imagery displeasing that's fine but I reject your notion that its necessarily discriminatory. Its an exaggeration designed to, if you pardon my pun, titillate the viewers.

Japan certainly has its issues with gender equality but I think its neither fair nor honest to cherry-pick specific designs and use them to draw conclusions about a culture as a whole.
 
Why is it that I’m okay with the Lolipop Chainsaw’s and the Senran Kagura’s of the world, but really can’t stand this franchise?

What does that say about me?
 
JC Lately said:
Why is it that I’m okay with the Lolipop Chainsaw’s and the Senran Kagura’s of the world, but really can’t stand this franchise?

What does that say about me?
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Okay with in what sense? You don't like the themes or the gameplay? Because I can understand why you'd like those games and not Oneechanbara. But I'm not sure how someone could be okay with the themes in those games while thinking Oneechan goes too far.
 
BeesEight said:
Her case is a contemporary demonstration of the sexism in Japan which is negatively impacting the people within it. As I said, the idea that Oneechanbara is a major contribution to that is laughable but to say that "oh it's just another culture so misogyny is a-okay and we can't criticize" is just as ludicrous.

Do you think the Human Rights Watch is a colonial machine designed in order to crush poor, defenseless cultures in some sort of bizarre Western moral hegemony? The world isn't some disconnected, isolated petri dish collection of cultures and people. The idea that we must be "tolerant of intolerance" is silly. Governments enact sanctions on human rights violations and we rightfully decry issues of abuse all the time. We do not endorse female genital mutilation in Africa because "it's not our place to police the world."

As active participants in the global culture of our current day, we very much can point out undesirable opinions and actions of other nations especially when they come at the disenfranchisement of traditionally repressed individuals within those cultures.



And free societies have the right to express condemnation of their sexist opinions. It is a contradiction if you think there's no place for "universal human rights" but that there is a place for such universal statements like "other societies can't criticize."

On the off chance I'm misreading your reply, there's also different standards of free speech before we get onto a tangent about that. Other countries very much "police" certain kinds of hate speech that, for some reason, is deemed perfectly acceptable in the United States.
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Dude your over thinking it. Its a giant pair of fake boobs for a game designed to cater to straight male gamers who are into this sort of thing.

It may be tacky but there is zero percent of anything ethically wrong about it. It doesnt have to cater to women you realize that correct? Not everything needs to or should cater to all demographics
 
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