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[Mr.Squirrel]

Stop trying to attack anything that's not the iphone; every real "always on" internet-enabled phone will have battery issues.

I'm particularly wet about the "no main PC" aspect, as I already have enough problems with duplicate generation between my home computer, work computer, and EAS service.

go on........

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The Pre has some in the industry worried. Seems that there is already buzz that the new HTC phone powered by Android is better. Well at least to an exec who isn't getting the Pre but will be getting the HTC phone. :lol

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-new-android-based-htc-phone-better-than-pre/

These are the kind of statements that come out when someone is trying to downplay a new product.

 

[Tobor]

Stop trying to attack anything that's not the iphone; every real "always on" internet-enabled phone will have battery issues.

I'm particularly wet about the "no main PC" aspect, as I already have enough problems with duplicate generation between my home computer, work computer, and EAS service.

Get your panties unbunched. There's a reason why this sort of cloud integration hasn't been attempted yet, and I'm curious why Palm is gunning it full blast. That's not an attack. If they solved the battery problem, than that's fantastic. I was merely pointing out how important it is, as the author of the article did when he acknowledged he neglected to bring it up.

 

[capslock]

The Palm Pre continues to impress me despite not being released yet and being only available on Sprint. In the latest interview given by Roger McNamee of Elevation Partners--Palm's investor--several new features were leaked out that makes the device more of the assistant you wished you had. According to Pre Central], the device can:

1. Automatically download important information based on calendar events: The Pre will scan your calendar at a pre-set time each morning and download maps of your appointment locations and Wikipedia articles to research people and firms you may visit.

2. Lateness warnings: With the GPS, calendar, and clock, the Pre will tell you if you're not where you're supposed to be at that moment in time. Not only will it know that you're late, but it can also send out a message to interested parties to let them know you are running late.

http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6659

 

[Ghost]

1st one sounds good...

but I cant think of anything worse than my phone beeping telling me I'm late for a meeting :lol


Phone is likely to mysteriously fly out of the car window at that point.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

That is some seriously cool shit. Sounds like there is some amazingly cool potential here with some of these features. Battery life is still a major consideration since it uses the same battery as the Centro, but that aside, the Pre looks like it's at least trying to do some new and different things.

 

[oneHeero]

Hmm..I have my HTC Touch Pro, but new HTC android phone and Pre have me excited. Please dont release till end of year or next year, I just got my TP.

 

[ckohler]

I like almost everything about the Pre except for the "apps are just rich web pages" concept. There would seem to be inherent limits to how complex or sophisticated those apps could be. Take 3D gaming for example.

 

[Matix]

Nokia-N97 > Pre

IMO

 

[Ghost]

I like almost everything about the Pre except for the "apps are just rich web pages" concept. There would seem to be inherent limits to how complex or sophisticated those apps could be. Take 3D gaming for example.

Flash will probably be the only/best way to play on the Pre. But realistically it's not billing itself as a stealth gaming device like the iphone. While there's a lot of stuff on the app store that wouldn't be suitable for the JS/HTML environment I cant think of one really useful app that couldn't work.

Also they say you could emulate the whole OS with the framework they have, so it might not be as basic as people assume.

 

[Phoenix]

I like almost everything about the Pre except for the "apps are just rich web pages" concept. There would seem to be inherent limits to how complex or sophisticated those apps could be. Take 3D gaming for example.

That is one of the more significant issues with the Pre. They made an interesting decision. They wanted to cut the time that it would take to make applications, get a large group of developers without having to retrain them (HTML/Javascript/etc), but in the end the decision they made actually harms the platform. They will have to remedy that (as well as a good number of other things) in the near future.

 

[Baryn]

Awesome Pre story on engadget:

Palm investor McNamee details Pre's neat location-based features

As much as we've heard about (and played with) the Pre this month, there's still a whole lot yet to be revealed about webOS; Palm clearly has a little bit of work left to finish and polish the platform, so what we know so far has much more to do with UI glitz, glamor, and flashiness than the actual trench warfare of using a phone day in and day out. Yahoo's Tech Ticker had a chance to chat with Elevation Partners' Roger McNamee -- a figure whose cash infusion has been central to Palm's survival this past year or so as they've raced to throw together the Pre -- and in between Houdini-esque reveals of seemingly hundreds of smartphones on his person, he's slipped a couple cool location-oriented features we can expect in webOS. First up, the phone can be configured to check out your calendar every morning and automatically download all sorts of information about the people, places, and companies you're going to visit, including maps -- an especially awesome feature if you're dealing with spotty 3G coverage. Even cooler, though, has to be the lateness notifier -- the phone uses GPS to determine where you are, compares it to where you're supposed to be at the moment, and if it figures out that you're screwed, it'll let you know. What's more, it can automatically email people to let them know that you've screwed up (just blame it on the traffic -- we always do). Follow the break for Tech Ticker's full interview.

The Pre blows every other device further out of the water.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

They will have to remedy that (as well as a good number of other things) in the near future.

This is at least the second time you've referred to serious shortcomings of the Pre and/or webOS with nary a clue as to what those shortcomings actually are. Care to expand on that a little?

 

[Baryn]

That is one of the more significant issues with the Pre. They made an interesting decision. They wanted to cut the time that it would take to make applications, get a large group of developers without having to retrain them (HTML/Javascript/etc), but in the end the decision they made actually harms the platform. They will have to remedy that (as well as a good number of other things) in the near future.

Truth be told, you can program 99% of the iPhone's game library with the webOS specs. I am saying this as an iPod Touch owner and a web developer.

A lot of the gaming fear comes from ignorance. The only reason you don't see great in-browser gaming (without Flash natch) is Internet Explorer. That is the ONLY reason.

Nokia-N97 > Pre

IMO

I genuinely laughed out loud.

 

[thirty]

palm knows in order to survive they need to offer the pre or new configurations of it to att and/or verizon. they aren't gonna sell a relevant amount of phones through sprint alone. though i'd like to see an announce soon, sprint and palm will make us all wait until after the pre's release.

 

[jonnybryce]

The Palm Pre is super fast and super cool so far and anyone saying it's bound for failure or is already done because of an upcoming HTC Android handset needs to stop wasting their time.

 

[thirty]

exactly, android has potential but the palm pre is potential realized.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The Pre blows every other device further out of the water.

Why don't we wait until it's actually out before we crown it better than everything else. We've heard a lot of hyperbole before only to have a device released and not have it live up to it's potential at all.

At this point, just remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[Matix]

I genuinely laughed out loud.

Will see who gets the last laugh *shakes fist* (with Nokia-N95 in hand)

 

[Baryn]

Why don't we wait until it's actually out before we crown it better than everything else. We've heard a lot of hyperbole before only to have a device released and not have it live up to it's potential at all.

At this point, just remain cautiously optimistic.

The preview videos don't show "potential", they show actual people using the near-final device and webOS. It is already displaying a paradigm superior to Microsoft and Apple's, and there is only more goodness to come.

Will see who gets the last laugh *shakes fist* (with Nokia-N95 in hand)

Heh, it won't be Symbian users, unfortunately. It's a decent platform, but all the innovations in app development are taking place elsewhere..

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

The preview videos don't show "potential", they show actual people using the near-final device and webOS. It is already displaying a paradigm superior to Microsoft and Apple's, and there is only more goodness to come.

Again, we've seen that all before, but until it's in the hands of actual users (and reviewers) we don't know how it'll perform in the real world. Things always look great in promotional and marketing stuff, but then it gets put through the ringer in the real world, and it might not live up to expectations. It happens more often than not really.

 

[YuriLowell]

I really hope this thing will work with my SERO plan when it hits.

Any word on what MSRP will be?

 

[Baryn]

I really hope this thing will work with my SERO plan when it hits.

Any word on what MSRP will be?

None at all. I am personally expecting $399, though anything more than $199 is a failure for Palm and Sprint.

Again, we've seen that all before, but until it's in the hands of actual users (and reviewers) we don't know how it'll perform in the real world. Things always look great in promotional and marketing stuff, but then it gets put through the ringer in the real world, and it might not live up to expectations. It happens more often than not really.

I think you're just being a naysayer. Hands-on from the press usually has the final word, especially when they all concur.

Let the waiting party go on without a qualm.

 

[RoodyPooUS]

Sero + Palm Pre!!!

I am already getting excited.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I think you're just being a naysayer. Hands-on from the press usually has the final word, especially when they all concur.

I'm not even saying it won't be a great device. I'm just saying lets cut down the hyperbole a bit until it's actually released. But, if that makes me a naysayer than so be it. Not sure what it makes you though with your blind enthusiasm for the device.

 

[Phoenix]

This is at least the second time you've referred to serious shortcomings of the Pre and/or webOS with nary a clue as to what those shortcomings actually are. Care to expand on that a little?

I can't NDA.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I can't NDA.

And that's part of the reason why I've learned to temper my enthusiasm over new tech. :lol

 

[Phoenix]

Truth be told, you can program 99% of the iPhone's game library with the webOS specs. I am saying this as an iPod Touch owner and a web developer.

If you can write a 3D or accelerated 2D game using Javascript then most game developers on the planet should bow down to you because even on the web game developers rely on Flash to generate most games. So if you're saying you can do that with just the WebOS API - that's saying a LOT.

 

[LCfiner]

And that's part of the reason why I've learned to temper my enthusiasm over new tech. :lol

I think a little skepticiscm is healthy.

heck, using the most obvious example, when the iphone was first shown 2 years ago, people were so blown away by the demo that it was dubbed the jesus phone. as though it could do no wrong and was a "perfect" product.

now, it turned out to be a great product (as I expect the Pre to be) but there were flaws and compromises with the iphone that people didn't expect till they got them in their hands. (and note that most reviewers did, in fact, mention these limitations)

the iphone 2.0 software launch is another example. it was gonna be awesome with support of new apps and new features, but it was buggy as hell once shipped. that update demoed real well but had major issues upon launch (took them several updates to fix it)

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I think a little skepticiscm is healthy.

heck, using the most obvious example, when the iphone was first shown 2 years ago, people were so blown away by the demo that it was dubbed the jesus phone. as though it could do no wrong and was a "perfect" product.

now, it turned out to be a great product (as I expect the Pre to be) but there were flaws and compromises with the iphone that people didn't expect till they got them in their hands. (and note that most reviewers did, in fact, mention these limitations)

the iphone 2.0 software launch is another example. it was gonna be awesome with support of new apps and new features, but it was buggy as hell once shipped. that update demoed real well but had major issues upon launch (took them several updates to fix it)

Exactly! iPhone 2.0 looked amazing in demos, but it was very buggy and introduced a string of issues that took several updates to fix.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

I can't NDA.

You'll be sure to let us know when it expires, right? Please?

 

[xBerserker]

I like out you "exit" applications. Very nice. When is this out?

 

[Baryn]

If you can write a 3D or accelerated 2D game using Javascript then most game developers on the planet should bow down to you because even on the web game developers rely on Flash to generate most games. So if you're saying you can do that with just the WebOS API - that's saying a LOT.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying you can program 99% of the iPhone's game library in a browser, mate. I'm not sure if you saw the most popular games on the iTunes store recently, but I have.

Zealot. Also keep in mind that the Pre has a 24-bit screen, which displays a VAST color range compared to the dinky 240,000 colors on the iPhone/iPod Touch. Not only could the Pre have a largely identical game library, the games will look better than on your 3G. "Color me impressed", indeed!

I like out you "exit" applications. Very nice. When is this out?

Before June.

The UI is really impressive.

The biggest weakness right now is potentially the price and maybe lack of apps.

But its a much better interpretation of the Linux interface than Android. Google should buy them.

There will be thousands of apps in the first month. The great thing is all of your OS X widgets, Vista gadgets, iGoogle apps, Facebook apps and Netvibes apps can be ported to Pre with hardware abilities, such as light and motion sensing, gesture support, multitouch, GPS, etc.

Truly, the Pre is the paramount of technology in this age. Sad that it might not do well due to the "Bu bu bu bububuuubububu iPHOOOOONE..." prestige-gadget bellyaching.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I don't see how this phone WON'T do great. It is the only phone in its class at Sprint and looks to be as evolutionary as the iPhone was revolutionary. We shall see, though. The removable battery, internet tethering, multi-apps, and gestures make this awesome to me. Better so in theory than the iPhone by a ways, in my mind.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Truly, the Pre is the paramount of technology in this age. Sad that it might not do well due to the "Bu bu bu bububuuubububu iPHOOOOONE..." prestige-gadget bellyaching.

Please stop.

 

[thirty]

in android news- new G2 pics are floating around and it doesn't have a physical keyboard. also, google's technical director for android left for a start up. rumor has it he turned tail after seeing the palm pre, but that's just a rumor.

 

[AlteredBeast]

in android news- new G2 pics are floating around and it doesn't have a physical keyboard. also, google's technical director for android left for a start up. rumor has it he turned tail after seeing the palm pre, but that's just a rumor.

that sounds like something a 15 year old speculating about a crush would say. No designer in the industry is going to leave one company for a start-up because of the Palm pre, a phone that isnt even out yet. I mean, it looks great, but that sounds pretty silly if you ask me.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

that sounds like something a 15 year old speculating about a crush would say. No designer in the industry is going to leave one company for a start-up because of the Palm pre, a phone that isnt even out yet. I mean, it looks great, but that sounds pretty silly if you ask me.

Agreed. Especially since Android is just starting to hit it's stride, and the guy in question has a history of jumping ship from one company to the next. He's done it with Apple, Microsoft, Be, and others. It is weird that he's jumping ship to a company that is looking to distribute coupons online or something. Seems to be an odd marriage.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I hope they gave him an upfront bonus, because otherwise that sounds pretty retarded.

 

[thirty]

I love GAF

 

[Baryn]

I don't see how this phone WON'T do great. It is the only phone in its class at Sprint and looks to be as evolutionary as the iPhone was revolutionary. We shall see, though. The removable battery, internet tethering, multi-apps, and gestures make this awesome to me. Better so in theory than the iPhone by a ways, in my mind.

I wouldn't call the Pre "evolutionary" by any means. webOS revolutionizes several factors of mobile computing, including data management (drawing everything from the cloud) and multitasking (card metaphor). This is similar to the way that the iPhone shunned the stylus and d-pad, making it a revolutionary device.

 

[Baryn]

Please stop.

Stop what? YOU stop trolling, jackass.

"Ugh.. PLEASE stop, my opinions are being affronted"

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Stop what? YOU stop trolling, jackass.

"Ugh.. PLEASE stop, my opinions are being affronted"

Where exactly am I trolling? Your obvious love for the Pre is clouding your sense of perspective some. I have fully admitted on more than one occasion in this threat that the Pre looks great and has huge potential, but said I would take a cautiously optimistic approach as we've seen disappointments from cell phones (and other technology) before.

Calling the Pre "the paramount of technology in this age" is just a ridiculous statement.

 

[Ghost]

I did want a pre but if Baryn is quickly putting me off.

 

[rampur]

Stop what? YOU stop trolling, jackass.

"Ugh.. PLEASE stop, my opinions are being affronted"

Come on, you don't have to be a troll to think that calling the Pre "the paramount of technology in this age" is a little over the top

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I did want a pre but if Baryn is quickly putting me off.

He's just trying to provide counterbalance to Tobor's posts.

 

[Baryn]

Where exactly am I trolling? Your obvious love for the Pre is clouding your sense of perspective some. I have fully admitted on more than one occasion in this threat that the Pre looks great and has huge potential, but said I would take a cautiously optimistic approach as we've seen disappointments from cell phones (and other technology) before.

Calling the Pre "the paramount of technology in this age" is just a ridiculous statement.

Don't attach yourself to one phrase.

Nothing about it is not cutting edge, that was my meaning.

I did want a pre but if Baryn is quickly putting me off.

I am not an employee nor an investor of Palm's, just a mobile savant, so send your interest wherever you like!

 

[LCfiner]

Don't attach yourself to one phrase.

Nothing about it is not cutting edge, that was my meaning.

I am not an employee nor an investor of Palm's, just a mobile savant, so send your interest wherever you like!

I also misinterpreted your phrasing :lol

I thought you were saying that the Pre was the ultimate in human achievement.

I'm looking forward to the GSM version down the line. hopefully there'll be some unlock so that I can try it without a new contract.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Don't attach yourself to one phrase.

Nothing about it is not cutting edge, that was my meaning.

I've mentioned before that you were throwing around the hyperbole a bit too easily, and with that phrase you kind of put it over the top. Which is why I bolded it and asked to to "please stop". The statement was WAY over the top really, and other responses have bore that out.

Saying that it is cutting edge is a bit easier to swallow. I'm also still waiting to see where I was trolling.

 

[Baryn]

I've mentioned before that you were throwing around the hyperbole a bit too easily, and with that phrase you kind of put it over the top. Which is why I bolded it and asked to to "please stop". The statement was WAY over the top really, and other responses have bore that out.

Saying that it is cutting edge is a bit easier to swallow. I'm also still waiting to see where I was trolling.

Your response was hardly constructive.

All things equal, I am expressing my great enthusiasm, and I think I am citing valid reasons for it. A 24-bit screen and a deceptively simple native programming platform are tremendous achievements, which the discussion is overlooking wholesale.