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the Palm Pre, color me impressed
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I'm surprise Leo Laporte isn't masturbating over the Iphone. .. or anything Apple.Zerodoppler said:
Marty Chinn
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teiresias said:
I've been listening to Macbreak Weekly lately ever since I got my Mac to hopefully keep up with things and learn more about it but the one thing that bugs me about that podcast is it pretty much sums up what general Mac fans are like, not saying anyone here is like that, where they can't just talk about the Mac without pointing it's superiority or putting down something else in the process. It's such a strong contrast to the Windows podcast where they rarely talk about Apple and just focus on lately Windows 7.
Re: MacBreak Weekly, it's one of the weakest podcasts in the TWIT set, and it's aimed squarely at Mac people that are...well, Mac people. I wouldn't recommend it for anyone that's new to the Mac or looking to keep on top of the news for it because you can get the same news in 5 minutes by checking a handful of websites; the only real value out of it are the software picks.
Windows Weekly is a more informative one, but that stems from the fact that it's a one-on-one podcast that goes into the Windows minutiae that just about no one pays attention to. It's had plenty of its Apple moments though, thanks to Leo -- who, by the way, will often contradict his viewpoints weekly from one show to next. A nice guy to be sure, but his enthusiasm for technology sways him from one extreme to next fairly rapidly.
Windows Weekly is a more informative one, but that stems from the fact that it's a one-on-one podcast that goes into the Windows minutiae that just about no one pays attention to. It's had plenty of its Apple moments though, thanks to Leo -- who, by the way, will often contradict his viewpoints weekly from one show to next. A nice guy to be sure, but his enthusiasm for technology sways him from one extreme to next fairly rapidly.
HowardRoark
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Are there any video reviews or in-depth hands on videos? I really want to see this bad boy in action, but not PR vids.
tHa_vIlLaMaN
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jonnybryce
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Blakero said:
For your first two questions the answer is not sure, Palm isn't being to transparent with the plans. I contacted Big In Japan to ask if they're making Shopsaavy for the Pre and they told me absolutely, so I'm excited for that, but there isn't an upcoming list that I know of yet. There is no question that developers are busy with the Pre, so hopefully things pick up for the App Catalog soon.
As for staying in the loop, PreCentral.net is the best one so far and so are their forums, they have the best news and biggest community. The problem there is that their forum members are like youtube commenters, saying stupid shit all the time, so I'm looking for a new forum. Palm Goon is good, they had a lot of pictures and walkthroughs of the Pre before it was released that no one else had so hopefully they can remain something special. I check PreThinking and EverythingPre for the hell of it but they don't seem to have more or faster news than those two.
jobber
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after rebooting and leaving it on the charger over night, the battery isn't draining that much today.
HOWEVER after I rebooted, my GTalk contacts aren't showing up under messaging. People are still in my contacts and the Pre won't let me delete them or my GTalk account. So when I try to send a IM/message it'll say the person is offline and I hit send anyway. Then I get an error saying I can't send a IM to people not on my contacts list but when I log into Gtalk on my PC, all my contacts are still there!
Rumor is the app store is suppose to add a bunch of apps tomorrow.
HOWEVER after I rebooted, my GTalk contacts aren't showing up under messaging. People are still in my contacts and the Pre won't let me delete them or my GTalk account. So when I try to send a IM/message it'll say the person is offline and I hit send anyway. Then I get an error saying I can't send a IM to people not on my contacts list but when I log into Gtalk on my PC, all my contacts are still there!
Rumor is the app store is suppose to add a bunch of apps tomorrow.
jonnybryce
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Oh, that sucks. I have used the chat client because I prefer to text. Apparently the chat is a little messy right now, people were describing your problem of odd buddy status and that its a real battery killer. I hope Palm will be on top of making updates, and update available day 1 was a nice surprise.
MaizeRage25
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jobber said:
That is what happens when you run background apps.
Yeah, we're still in "new toy" territory where everyone is putting far more than normal use on the device. If I'm browsing the web via Safari on the Edge network on my iPhone for a good chunk of the day I can't make it to 5pm without the battery dying - but that's hardly a nomal use-case for me. Once everyone settles into their normal usage patterns you get a better idea of the actual battery life - it's like this for every device.
Also, don't forget, that with the Pre you at least have the option of carrying around a second battery with you if you really want to and have the possibility of getting higher capacity batteries at some point I suppose.
Also, don't forget, that with the Pre you at least have the option of carrying around a second battery with you if you really want to and have the possibility of getting higher capacity batteries at some point I suppose.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Just got back to the States this weekend, and I've been catching up with the Pre reviews. Looks like it's a great device all around, and I'm glad to hear that everyone is enjoying it so far. It's always great when a new device comes out and lives up to the hype, and pushes things in a new direction. Great for Palm.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Such a great clip. The idea that Leo would be influenced by a review unit (that he didn't even get to keep!) is utterly absurd. The man is an absolute professional and the insinuation is incredibly insulting to someone with Leo's history in the business.
jonnybryce
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I honestly have no idea how good or bad the battery is yet. I'm playing with it constantly and never from a 100% charge. I just charged it to 100% but I want to stay in today so I'll probably be toying with it a lot more. I'll see how it performs in real life (work schedule) on Monday.
The touchstone is really awesome, and it really does stick to everything with no residue yet isn't soft like a suction cup. Slapping the Pre onto it and going on my way to charge is a cool feeling, and it looks nice doing it.
The touchstone is really awesome, and it really does stick to everything with no residue yet isn't soft like a suction cup. Slapping the Pre onto it and going on my way to charge is a cool feeling, and it looks nice doing it.
reggieandTFE
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Anyone in Chicago (city proper) have this? How is Sprint's network holding up? I have a 3G iPhone and my GF and I are getting sick to death of the dropped calls, miraculous voicemails slow as hell data.
Kung Fu Jedi
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reggieandTFE said:
The way Sprint is losing customers, you should not find the network busy at least.
TurtleSnatcher
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Great to see the Pre bringing people into the smartphone world. The impressions of some of the apps that you guys have are awesome. Reminds me of when I got my Blackberry and how some of the apps blew me away. It will only get better once Palm releases an app store like Blackberry an Apple. Just you wait guys!
The Pre sounds pretty damn amazing from all the reviews I've seen. Still, i'm stuck in my midcycle contract with my Iphone 3G, so I'll have to wait a while before upgrading or switching to anything else out there.
I am glad the iPhone came out though, it has pushed everyone else out there to make some pretty great hardware and software in the mobile market.
I am glad the iPhone came out though, it has pushed everyone else out there to make some pretty great hardware and software in the mobile market.
Apparently there are issues with Palm's implementation of the AIM protocol that is having an impact on battery performance, according to a few reviews, and Palm is working on a fix. Of course, 1.0.2 may have covered this, I'm not sure.
But yeah, I'm sure the Pre will enjoy better-capacity batteries eventually. I know with my Curve, some third party company makes a battery with 30% more life but still fits with the stock battery cover. Based on what reviews have said (battery barely lasts a day of moderate to heavy use), something like that and/or some WebOS optimization should push things into reasonable territory.
But yeah, I'm sure the Pre will enjoy better-capacity batteries eventually. I know with my Curve, some third party company makes a battery with 30% more life but still fits with the stock battery cover. Based on what reviews have said (battery barely lasts a day of moderate to heavy use), something like that and/or some WebOS optimization should push things into reasonable territory.
flabberghastly
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Yeah, I've come to this same realization. It seems like I'm constantly charging this thing just to keep it alive.jobber said:
Also, it appears that the lower left corner of my screen may be starting to yellow, or, at least, I didn't notice it originally.
Fatalah
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Is youtube sucking today for anyone else too? I f'n hate youtube's server. The experience is getting to be as bad as IGN. Anywho, I wish I could get this phone but I'm unwilling to part with Verizon. Man, howcome Verizon is so unexciting when it comes to phones? Bahhh
I have a few questions about the Pre... Is this really Palm's last mobile OS?
What OS will Palm adopt after the Pre? Windows Mobile? Android?
I have a few questions about the Pre... Is this really Palm's last mobile OS?
What OS will Palm adopt after the Pre? Windows Mobile? Android?
Vyer said:
Yeah, Leo admits freely to using mainly (maybe only?) Apple products when he has a choice, but definitely has no trollish hatred of microsoft and Windows. He's freely brought up that Apple should be worried about Windows 7 on MacBreak Weekly - only to have to deflect some of Scott Bourne's own trolling, "But it's Windows, I don't allow that on my machine" crap - having never used Windows 7 at all in his life.
As someone who uses mainly Mac products at home myself, but still uses Windows at work and has no issues with it, I really can't stand snarky and arrogant Apple fans.
The latest iJustine, "Palm Pre, Palm Poop" video being one of the worst examples of blatant troll behavior I've ever seen - I'd really like to see Leo ask her about it if she ever has her on a show again (I think she's been on This Week in Tech a couple of times).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNh39h02zYI
jonnybryce
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There are some good apps imo, Where, Connect Four, all of the news apps are pretty great especially the layout for Today Show, but nothing really awesome yet.
So I'm not in love with the build quality of this phone, especially for what I paid. I'm going to be watching Apple today like a hawk and making my final decision. WebOS is great, it's the Pre I have an issue with.
So I'm not in love with the build quality of this phone, especially for what I paid. I'm going to be watching Apple today like a hawk and making my final decision. WebOS is great, it's the Pre I have an issue with.
Marty Chinn said:
Yeah, I stopped listening to macbreak weekly around a year ago as anyone who's not Merlin Mann or Leo is really hard to listen to. Bourne, in particular, is exasperating.
I cringed every time I would hear Alex Lindsey talk about how excited he is to buy another bunch of ipods.
I am looking forward to the day the pre comes to canada. I want to play with one really bad.
crisdecuba
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I tried out the Pre for a while at the Sprint store. My overall sense was that it was underwhelming.
Pros:
+ Multiple processes open / running at once
+ The screen is nice
+ Multi-touch controls work well
Cons:
- The keyboard: tiny, keys feel sticky, harder to type quickly on it than on other physical-keyboard smart phones
- Overall build feels plasticky / not as sturdy as I'd expected
- The UI feels uncomfortably laggy - For example, I'd be in a person's contact card and hit the icon to send an SMS and there'd be a noticeable pause before the compose card would load. Basically anything that loads a new card creates a lag.
Overall:
I am going to be upgrading from a basic flip phone. I was excited to see the Pre, but with the impending WWDC announcements, I am expecting the Pre's pros to be mitigated somewhat and its inadequacies made more clear. The OS is nice, but perhaps more powerful hardware to drive it is necessary.
Pros:
+ Multiple processes open / running at once
+ The screen is nice
+ Multi-touch controls work well
Cons:
- The keyboard: tiny, keys feel sticky, harder to type quickly on it than on other physical-keyboard smart phones
- Overall build feels plasticky / not as sturdy as I'd expected
- The UI feels uncomfortably laggy - For example, I'd be in a person's contact card and hit the icon to send an SMS and there'd be a noticeable pause before the compose card would load. Basically anything that loads a new card creates a lag.
Overall:
I am going to be upgrading from a basic flip phone. I was excited to see the Pre, but with the impending WWDC announcements, I am expecting the Pre's pros to be mitigated somewhat and its inadequacies made more clear. The OS is nice, but perhaps more powerful hardware to drive it is necessary.
Ignatz Mouse
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Pre-fans are learning what ANdorid fans learned last November-- there will be automatic backlash against anything that isn't an iPhone. The amount of skewed stuff about the G1 seems to be repeating here for the Pre.
As far as I am concerned, the Pre looks cool and there's no need for the kind of fanboy bias that shows up in these reviews.
As far as I am concerned, the Pre looks cool and there's no need for the kind of fanboy bias that shows up in these reviews.
crisdecuba
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I agree that there is a bit of an uphill battle when it comes to unseating a generally established preference.Ignatz Mouse said:
HOWEVER, there are legitimate concerns re: the Palm Pre. Most people agree that the OS is very nice. However, most people also agree that the keyboard could use some work and that the hardware is not up to snuff by comparison. I don't think that makes it a "bad" phone - just an underwhelming one when compared to the generally established preference.
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crisdecuba said:
That wasn't really in response to you -- just look at some of the reviews and you'll see a lot of slant in them. Overstatement of negatives, preferences turned into negatives, missing positives. Same thing happened with the G1.
I'm loving my pre so far. My only complaint is the battery life, but I think I've picked up a few tweaks to improve it (mainly turning my GPS off), so we'll see how that goes this week during work.
Also, just a heads up for anyone else that has it, but they put about 6 or so new apps up today.
Also, just a heads up for anyone else that has it, but they put about 6 or so new apps up today.
crisdecuba
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Oh gotcha.Ignatz Mouse said:
Your post makes sense, then. crisdecuba said:
Underwhelming is the first word that came to my mind when describing the phone to a friend who was more ready than I was to go out and get one.
I'm just surprised that after the rave reviews and general excitement when it was introduced earlier this year didn't amount to much, or just waned so incredibly that it's launch was not heralded like the iphone.
Is it because Palm has been in the phone business for so long and they've been faultering for so long that despite the amazement ppl had when it was announced, that was quickly replaced by skepticism, a long wait between introduction hype and final release?
Was there more excitement with the iphone because it was Apple's first foray and they are generally seen now as a hip company with excellent product design?
I really wanted this phone to be the thing to truly rival the iphone and make me be a proud Sprint customer. I'm really hoping the phone comes into it's own through further software updates and a bursting app store in the near future. That and it has something close to the iphones gaming aspect. But from what I hear I don't expect much more than a buttload of 2d games, which isn't necessarily bad, but it wouldn't nice to see even a few unique 3-d games.
In any event, I'm on a wait list for the next shipment and I don't mind if it's a month long wait because it gives me time to see how all the kinks are worked out.
Has the SDK been released or will it be released soon?
I'm super glad to hear that in it's third day we're seeing more apps added. But I'm also concerned with the screen problems being reported. Again, just waiting for announcements that changes are made to the assembly of the device to perfect things.
I just hope they don't pull an Apple and release a superior model too soon.
danootz said:
When the iphone came out there was no consumer device out with that kind of multi touch UI. it was brand new and pretty mindblowing. now, 2 years later, we've become a little more jaded and it takes more to get people excited.
plus, no one does marketing like Apple and they have had a pretty good, oh, 7 years of success with the ipod.
that's why the iphone launch was this crazy event and the pre launch is more subdued.
it's not a knock against palm that they couldn't match the iphone launch. that launch was ridiculous. what Palm has to do now is support and market the Pre and get people who are hopping on the smartphone wagon to seriously consider them as an alternative to RIM or Apple.
Charred Greyface said:
ha, I never heard of that novel. Sounds interesting.
Yeah, I went a little overboard there. I think I've just read so much lately about people ragging on Sprint and even Palm. But I've never had an issue with them in any area. Cell service, cost, customer service. Them having an awesome phone could help them image-wise.
XiaNaphryz
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Any impressions of the apps out so far? I haven't really messed with any outside of Pandora.
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