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the Palm Pre, color me impressed
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Fatalah
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I've spent the last few months knee deep in Android research. But I can't get enough of the Pre's form-factor. It's so tiny and sleek looking. It's exactly what I'd want, but this thread lost all excitement with Android picking up steam.
I'm real curious to see what CES 2010 brings --- the Pre Plus on Verizon? Hopefully whatever it is fixes the battery problem you're all discussing.
I'm real curious to see what CES 2010 brings --- the Pre Plus on Verizon? Hopefully whatever it is fixes the battery problem you're all discussing.
Android is hot although only sense ui interest me at the moment. if i didn't have webos, that'd be where i'd go.
Don't think anyone can do much about battery life for the near future. Even with the 3gs optimized coding, it gets about the same battery life as the pre. This was done with webos 1.0.2 too.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=611
Don't think anyone can do much about battery life for the near future. Even with the 3gs optimized coding, it gets about the same battery life as the pre. This was done with webos 1.0.2 too.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=611
From what I've heard, the first week after a new update, the battery percent doesn't display correctly. It needs to recalibrate with your battery. Some people think they get really good or really bad life after an update but it's just uncalibrated. After the last update, it looked like I was getting great battery life for awhile.
There are also third party batteries that are a little more powerful than stock and won't make your phone bigger. Still not perfect but at least you have some choices.
edit: Oops, that link was for 3G. Apple says the 3gs is a little better so we can hope for similar battery improvement with pre updates but smartphones will have shitty battery life for the time being.
There are also third party batteries that are a little more powerful than stock and won't make your phone bigger. Still not perfect but at least you have some choices.
edit: Oops, that link was for 3G. Apple says the 3gs is a little better so we can hope for similar battery improvement with pre updates but smartphones will have shitty battery life for the time being.
1.3.5 is up
http://www.precentral.net/webos-135-now-available-download
considering how hot my phone gets when i've got 1-2 bars, this is great news
http://www.precentral.net/webos-135-now-available-download
considering how hot my phone gets when i've got 1-2 bars, this is great news
I'm surprised 1.3.5 hit today. I wasn't expecting it until after CES.
Precentral.net says that some files related to to the GPU were added. Hopefully we get some info on when they'll finally enable it at CES.
I'm getting drops to 1x speeds every couple of minutes trying to update. I've never seen it this bad before. It's happened more in the past half hour than it has in the month. :lol
Precentral.net says that some files related to to the GPU were added. Hopefully we get some info on when they'll finally enable it at CES.
I'm getting drops to 1x speeds every couple of minutes trying to update. I've never seen it this bad before. It's happened more in the past half hour than it has in the month. :lol
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
hmmm, interested in seeing how everything runs.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Time to buy a Pre, then?
http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2118742
Doom with hardware acceleration is running on webos. (although I haven't been able to run it yet. :/ )
edit: works for me now.
controls http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom
Doom with hardware acceleration is running on webos. (although I haven't been able to run it yet. :/ )
edit: works for me now.
controls http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Doom
Don't have time to answer all your questions but...Charred Greyface said:
You don't even have to root the Pre. You put the code for Developer Mode into the universal search bar ("upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart") and turn it on. Then download WebOS Quick Install, and use it to install Preware on your Pre, and from there you can install homebrew apps and OS patches over the air to your heart's content.
Honestly I have no idea why you would want a device without a hardware keyboard, but that's just me...there is a homebrew virtual keyboard you can install, if you insist.
WickedAngel
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I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want a hardware keyboard.
The only thing I'd really want to change in that regard is for the orientation to be horizontal instead of vertical so that we could have bigger keys.
The only thing I'd really want to change in that regard is for the orientation to be horizontal instead of vertical so that we could have bigger keys.
Verizon will likely get pre+ and pixi+ early 2010. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce a yearly update to their devices like apple to be release in the summer but nothing has been said. We will all know Jan 7th.Charred Greyface said:
The GSM version should work on ATT but I'm not sure it'll do 3g. I think you'll be stuck on edge.
Quake is out and it does make me wish for bigger buttons.
Asbel said:
Yeah, Quake is pretty difficult to play to be honest. The screen doesn't seem as responsive as it could be, either. Hopefully they can improve that more. I'm impressed with what they've done so far though, considering it's homebrew and so shortly after 1.3.5 was released.
Software keyboards are obviously more versatile. I prefer the landscape keyboard toobut only for text input. When I'm inputing numbers I use the portrait number pad. You can't get such flexibility with a hardware keyboard. What's the point adding a hardware keyboard when it's either ugly and not very good (Droid) or contributes to poor build quality (Pre). Hardware keyboards should be relegated to accessory status for those who want them. Then we'll have the best of both worlds (surely, if you like hardware keyboards, you'd prefer the full thing).WickedAngel said:
WebOS is the still the best mobile OS imo (a jailbroken iPhone is very competitive though). I'd be very tempted if I could sell my 3GS and get a decent small sized WebOS phone and an iPod Touch.
jonnybryce
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WickedAngel said:
Because it's easy to type on a software keyboard, allows for a bigger screen or slimmer profile + more solid build quality, and allows for changeable keys, the way .com is suddenly it's own key when typing in the iPhone browser.
It also allows for faster texting, and to be discreet in movies or classrooms since you don't need to slide up and make your phone tall. Some can even type faster, like myself, which I attribute to simply having to touch the screen and not having to actually press anything.
Charred Greyface said:
I'd actually put Android in first, with webOS and iPhone tied or iPhone last. webOS still needs some work, it's coolest ideas have been perfected in various versions of Android and remain flawed on webOS, such as (basically everything about) synergy. Android lets the user have updated info and pictures without importing all your FB friends, it doesn't add all your buddylist screen names to your address book, etc. webOS often gets in the way, where Android is smart in the background.
iPhone is just pretty and can sync. It doesn't really hold it's own to either, as it's just a menu screen and a good browser/media experience. It is very polished though.
Right now is a very exciting time to be a Pre owner.
-Hardware accelerated apps and games are a reality
-Flash is around the corner
-All of this appears to still be possible while multi-tasking
I have always loved the hackability of the Pre and that is something that is only getting better. As soon as this baby is on Verizon, you're going to start to see it gain some momentum.
-Hardware accelerated apps and games are a reality
-Flash is around the corner
-All of this appears to still be possible while multi-tasking
I have always loved the hackability of the Pre and that is something that is only getting better. As soon as this baby is on Verizon, you're going to start to see it gain some momentum.
I don't mind that webos adds all your contacts since I just use universal search. I actually want these companies to keep copying each other since it's best for the consumer. But from what I understand, Android doesn't sync with as many services as webos (does it let you have multiple accounts from the same network now?) nor does it's universal search let you go straight to maps, twitter, wiki but does let you go deeper into what's on the phone. So it's get some features, lose some features.jonnybryce said:
Well, you'd save at least $600 for comparable plans going from att to sprint. And the pixi is still only $25 on amazon.Charred Greyface said:
I'd actually flip that ranking around with WebOS first, Android maybe tied with iPhone OS or dead last behind a jailbroken iPhone OS. We have different ways of evaluating I think, but Android's perfected which parts exactly? You'll have to give specific examples to convince me.jonnybryce said:
Take syncing. Android and Palm both do it over the air but Android requires a google login which is a downer for me personally. My gmail isn't connected to my facebook account for example. But, besides that, Pre supports Palm Profiles so everything syncs over the air, settings and all. I don't think Android syncing is that sophisticated yet. Yes, Palm had some kinks at the start, and Synergy can be a battery drain, but all the reports I see say it's only getting better.
Pre also perfected easy to use multitasking and, more importantly, app switching, in WebOS. Using Android you have to download a third party task manager app (just those words 'task manager' sounds so archaic) else all you got is a list of 6 recently used apps. WebOS gives you the brilliant cards metaphor. No contest really.
Both the Android and WebOS have decent notifications systems but I lean towards WebOS because...
WebOS looks better. Sure the Droid and NexusOne have better screens but I don't want to look at (relatively) ugly icons and UI in higher resolution. WebOS looks nice to me, I probably won't bother themeing it. The iPhone's look is adequate, I just wish they would get rid of the gloss. Android *ugh* This stuff matters to me as I'm going to be looking at, and touching it, every day.
Where the iPhone wins out is, although the OS is pretty simple on the surface, all the apps have a great deal of depth and polish which makes up for it. WebOS has got all the basics covered too; I don't see anybody advising to newbies to try out three media apps from the store to figure out which one they prefer (unlike say Android). Most people admit upfront that even when an app appears on all OS's stores, the iPhone one is the best. If you jailbreak it, you can mod the OS to come close to WebOS: SBSettings (system settings always one swipe away), iRealSMS (send text from within any app, at any time, reply to texts without leaving what you're doing or save them for later), GriP & isbgriplog (better notifications system). You can even imitate WebOS's cards with ProSwitcher for jailbroken iPhones. Imitate not improve though, which is why WebOS is still the best imo.
Quick Edit: I don't want Pre on Verizon. I want GSM and besides Sprint is way more cheaper. Pre was slow to begin with and it's getting older by the day. I'm not buying that now and would rather wait for the next itireation especially if it comes with a software keyboard wih multitouch.
webos's notifications are far above the curve, they're like little widgets. You can control your music, snooze your alarm, check the weather, etc. from them without leaving your current app. They help me get over my jealousy of not having homescreens. And it's getting better with apps like location based reminders (Geostrings even has it's own completely custom notification). All without hacks that make your phone more unstable. (I'm surprised at how incredibly stable webos is, 1.x or not.)
Fatalah
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Will there be a live video stream of Palm's conference? Starts in 8 minutes!
Update: Found two streams--
http://www.livestream.com/crunchgear
http://cnettv.cnet.com/liveatces?tag=contentMain;mediaModule
PS-- Why can't CNET bring back TechTV already!?
Update: Found two streams--
http://www.livestream.com/crunchgear
http://cnettv.cnet.com/liveatces?tag=contentMain;mediaModule
PS-- Why can't CNET bring back TechTV already!?
Solideliquid
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At work, can't watch. Please explain more.atomsk said:
They showed a ton more than I thought they would. I was expecting maybe a little info on games, but never expected them to show some off. Video recording was a surprise too. Though a few updates ago they did do something to allow the homebrew people to get it working, so maybe I should have expected it.
No mention of AT&T was surprising though.
And Pixi Plus with wifi. Pre Plus also has 16GB flash memory.
No mention of AT&T was surprising though.
atomsk said:
And Pixi Plus with wifi. Pre Plus also has 16GB flash memory.
Solideliquid
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Have they explained what's in pre plus? Great news for verizon! Spring is bringing Nexus, Pre plus, they already have Droid, and possibly iPhone this summer Verizon full of awesome!atomsk said:
No mention of WebOS phones coming to AT&&T?atomsk said:
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
They better update the Sprint line with something, even if it is something as simple as a storage boost or something. The phones are "old" on Sprint now. old news. Needs refreshing. The Verizon versions are great. Why wouldn't Sprint demand something similar?
It's not the extra 8 GB of memory on the Pre+ that makes me want to go to verizon. It's the mobile hotspot app! It's basically is going to tether the Pre+ with up to 5 devices. That's sick. Of course, verizon will probably charge $80/month for it, so never mind.
Vanillalite
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Charred Greyface said:
For better or worse between the two with Apple and AT&T in bet together they are doing their own thing while the rest of the wireless world tosses things around to each other all the time it seems.
Guardian Bob
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I think I'll jump on the palm pre plus when i jumps to canada.
CES news... just to keep this in this thread!
Palm Pre Plus coming to Verizon.
3D games already in the App Store.
Video recording and.. FUCKING EDITING... in-phone coming february. Allows upload to YT and FB after recording or editing.
Flash 10.1 coming Feb. Beta soon.
Plus has 16GB of memory. I am not angry at all I got a "plain" pre with Sprint, especially since it's an awesome phone and Sprint's plans are pretty cheap!
Palm Pre Plus coming to Verizon.
3D games already in the App Store.
Video recording and.. FUCKING EDITING... in-phone coming february. Allows upload to YT and FB after recording or editing.
Flash 10.1 coming Feb. Beta soon.
Plus has 16GB of memory. I am not angry at all I got a "plain" pre with Sprint, especially since it's an awesome phone and Sprint's plans are pretty cheap!
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