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[Yo Gotti]

Had an original Pre, temporarily went Android (Epic 4G) while waiting for Palm to make their next move.

Android is decent but the OS is nowhere near as smooth/intuitive as WebOS. Though I think most Pre owners have no idea what they're missing when it comes to the app selection that Android has.

If this is really the next Pre, Palms next phone is HIGHLY disappointing.

Hopefully they've got a proper, competitive Pre 2 to reveal within the next 3 months, because if they wait another 6 to a year Palm's phone brand and OS will be dead in the water/HP printer vaporware.

 

[Lkr]

Why? The hardware specs?

I was hoping they would just do something more to the design and specs. I am only a Sprint Pixi user, but they are basically just doing a minor bump with no redesign.

 

[MrPliskin]

I was hoping they would just do something more to the design and specs. I am only a Sprint Pixi user, but they are basically just doing a minor bump with no redesign.

Well, my experience between the Pre and Pre+ was pretty amazing. I have a Sprint Pre, but bought a Pre+ for my mother for Mothers day, and the difference in just the memory bump was pretty staggering. Apps loaded up substantially faster, and she could keep many more open at one time.

I think the jump from a 500mhz (Technically 600Mhz)processor to a 1Ghz processor is more than a minor bump. Especially if folks can get it OC'd to 1.5Ghz

Had an original Pre, temporarily went Android (Epic 4G) while waiting for Palm to make their next move.

Android is decent but the OS is nowhere near as smooth/intuitive as WebOS. Though I think most Pre owners have no idea what they're missing when it comes to the app selection that Android has.

If this is really the next Pre, Palms next phone is HIGHLY disappointing.

Hopefully they've got a proper, competitive Pre 2 to reveal within the next 3 months, because if they wait another 6 to a year Palm's phone brand and OS will be dead in the water/HP printer vaporware.

You don't follow smart phones / call phones much, huh? I think the current stat is somewhere around 80% of all Cell Phone users still do not have a smart phone. I think Palm has quite a bit of leisure time on their hands to come out with awesome phones.

That said, this is a product that Palm had in development prior to HP, and the phones that HP will have in the pipeline will be considerably different from what we're seeing now.

 

[Blackhead]

Yep, the only people going to buy a Pre2 are those who already have a Pre or want a Pre i.e. a very small number of people. My friend, who just got the new Droid on Verizon, was laughing at me for switching from an iPhone to a Pixi (+ iPod Touch combo). Mind you, she knows I'm gadget savvy and this wasn't a purchase foistered on me by some conniving AT&T sales rep. But Palm Phones are NOT COOL (the word she used was "wack"). In fact, I'll go ahead and declare that phones with keyboards aren't cool. People associate them too much with the 'feature phone' category (and blackberries suck so much at the web and videogames that they might as well be a top-of-the-line feature phone). All the cool phones have large beautiful screens and the ones with hardware keyboards have even larger screens to compensate. The Pre and Pixi are not of those phones.

I'm worried. I understand that some people do just want a Pre2 or Pixi2 but why would Plam send those phones out first? The WebOS fans know where to look and notice the differences and improvements. The regular folks will only see the same old phone (what's the difference between the Pre+ and a Pre2). This is not going to catch anyone's attention. By the time the Mansion phone comes out Pixi2/Pre2 will be old news whereas they could have rode on the cocktails of a new super WebOS phone.

We keep insisting that the smartphone market is still wide open and there are many potential customers for HP/Palm to grab. That's true but it's not the whole truth. People buy phones in part based on their social networks and you know what they say about social networks right—the first to a million users wins. People get Blackberry because of BBM. Soon, many people will get an iPhone/iPod Touh because of FaceTime. People get phones becuase their friends have it and think it's cool. Palm needs to put out a phone that's the best on the market, even if only for a month, so people will buy it because they hope their friends will see them getting the cool new thing (even if it's a gamble certainty that it won't be dethroned by something else before the two year contract is up).

/rant

Ok that's my last rant on palm and the new phones. I admit I'm biased against hardware keyboards (I especially dislike the Palm keyboard because it's been incorporated so much into WebOS with key commands and shortcuts). I'll shutup now and wait until at least CES '11 before any more criticism.

 

[MrPliskin]

Yep, the only people going to buy a Pre2 are those who already have a Pre or want a Pre i.e. a very small number of people. My friend, who just got the new Droid on Verizon, was laughing at me for switching from an iPhone to a Pixi (+ iPod Touch combo). Mind you, she knows I'm gadget savvy and this wasn't a purchase foistered on me by some conniving AT&T sales rep. But Palm Phones are NOT COOL (the word she used was "wack"). In fact, I'll go ahead and declare that phones with keyboards aren't cool. People associate them too much with the 'feature phone' category (and blackberries suck so much at the web and videogames that they might as well be a top-of-the-line feature phone). All the cool phones have large beautiful screens and the ones with hardware keyboards have even larger screens to compensate. The Pre and Pixi are not of those phones.

I'm worried. I understand that some people do just want a Pre2 or Pixi2 but why would Plam send those phones out first? The WebOS fans know where to look and notice the differences and improvements. The regular folks will only see the same old phone (what's the difference between the Pre+ and a Pre2). This is not going to catch anyone's attention. By the time the Mansion phone comes out Pixi2/Pre2 will be old news whereas they could have rode on the cocktails of a new super WebOS phone.

We keep insisting that the smartphone market is still wide open and there are many potential customers for HP/Palm to grab. That's true but it's not the whole truth. People buy phones in part based on their social networks and you know what they say about social networks right—the first to a million users wins. People get Blackberry because of BBM. Soon, many people will get an iPhone/iPod Touh because of FaceTime. People get phones becuase their friends have it and think it's cool. Palm needs to put out a phone that's the best on the market, even if only for a month, so people will buy it because they hope their friends will see them getting the cool new thing (even if it's a gamble certainty that it won't be dethroned by something else before the two year contract is up).

/rant

Ok that's my last rant on palm and the new phones. I admit I'm biased against hardware keyboards (I especially dislike the Palm keyboard because it's been incorporated so much into WebOS with key commands and shortcuts). I'll shutup now and wait until at least CES '11 before any more criticism.

How unfortunate for her that your Pixi does more for gaming than her Android phone will ever dream to do.

I get what you're saying, but for me personally, I couldn't care less if someone with a social complex calls my phone "wack". I got my phone for me, not my friends.

As for Palm sending those phones out first, isn't that blatantly obvious? They were damn near broke before, and this is all they could muster at the time. Why throw away that invested money if you were HP? Release the phone, get some more WebOS product out there immediately.

What webOS needs isn't apps or "cool hardware". What it needs is for people to be informed about it. Basically, they need better marketing.

 

[dream]

What webOS needs isn't apps or "cool hardware". What it needs is for people to be informed about it. Basically, they need better marketing.

But people like apps and cool hardware.

And Android and iOS have caught up to WebOS. In many ways, they're actually ahead now in terms of functionality.

 

[Yo Gotti]

You don't follow smart phones / call phones much, huh? I think the current stat is somewhere around 80% of all Cell Phone users still do not have a smart phone. I think Palm has quite a bit of leisure time on their hands to come out with awesome phones.

That said, this is a product that Palm had in development prior to HP, and the phones that HP will have in the pipeline will be considerably different from what we're seeing now.

Smart phones still sell a boatload of units, smartphones will probably never pass that margin until dumbphones are completely obsolete.

This new version of the Pre will be at the bottom of the barrel, it won't outsell the original, being for all that really matters, the same phone. This should've been a dev phone at the most until they had some real hardware to reveal.

I hope you're right, and like I said, it better happen within the next 6 months, because once Android 3.0, and the next iteration of the iPhone OS/iPhone come out Palm will have a LOT of slack to pick up.

A Web OS 2.0 tablet still has the chance to be awesome though.

 

[Tek]

will you give gaf any inside info you happen to hear?

oh, you can get a bigger battery.

Well, I didn't even know about the design of the new Palm until this thread...so either I'm not paying attention or they are not releasing that information to the internal company.

 

[dream]

A Web OS 2.0 tablet still has the chance to be awesome though.

Yeah!

I think HP knows that's where WebOS' future lies but every time they say it, the Palm faithful freak out and they're forced to recant. You give up too much cool stuff when you buy a WebOS smartphone, at this point. It makes pushing a new HP phone a really hard sell.

Cards and stacks would be awesome on a tablet, though.

 

[Asbel]

Yep, the only people going to buy a Pre2 are those who already have a Pre or want a Pre i.e. a very small number of people. My friend, who just got the new Droid on Verizon, was laughing at me for switching from an iPhone to a Pixi (+ iPod Touch combo). Mind you, she knows I'm gadget savvy and this wasn't a purchase foistered on me by some conniving AT&T sales rep. But Palm Phones are NOT COOL (the word she used was "wack"). In fact, I'll go ahead and declare that phones with keyboards aren't cool. People associate them too much with the 'feature phone' category (and blackberries suck so much at the web and videogames that they might as well be a top-of-the-line feature phone). All the cool phones have large beautiful screens and the ones with hardware keyboards have even larger screens to compensate. The Pre and Pixi are not of those phones.

I'm worried. I understand that some people do just want a Pre2 or Pixi2 but why would Plam send those phones out first? The WebOS fans know where to look and notice the differences and improvements. The regular folks will only see the same old phone (what's the difference between the Pre+ and a Pre2). This is not going to catch anyone's attention. By the time the Mansion phone comes out Pixi2/Pre2 will be old news whereas they could have rode on the cocktails of a new super WebOS phone.

We keep insisting that the smartphone market is still wide open and there are many potential customers for HP/Palm to grab. That's true but it's not the whole truth. People buy phones in part based on their social networks and you know what they say about social networks right—the first to a million users wins. People get Blackberry because of BBM. Soon, many people will get an iPhone/iPod Touh because of FaceTime. People get phones becuase their friends have it and think it's cool. Palm needs to put out a phone that's the best on the market, even if only for a month, so people will buy it because they hope their friends will see them getting the cool new thing (even if it's a gamble certainty that it won't be dethroned by something else before the two year contract is up).

/rant

Ok that's my last rant on palm and the new phones. I admit I'm biased against hardware keyboards (I especially dislike the Palm keyboard because it's been incorporated so much into WebOS with key commands and shortcuts). I'll shutup now and wait until at least CES '11 before any more criticism.

So did you show her why you went with the Pixi?

I'm not worried about HP marketing something as cool. They just have to stick Dr. Dre in a commercial with Beats audio on a Palm phone and it's instantly cool.

I like your write up but it's too focused on your age group. The market is bigger than that and the older crowd has more money to spend.

Well, I didn't even know about the design of the new Palm until this thread...so either I'm not paying attention or they are not releasing that information to the internal company.

Yeah, Palm is super secret like that these days..

 

[MrPliskin]

But people like apps and cool hardware.

And Android and iOS have caught up to WebOS. In many ways, they're actually ahead now in terms of functionality.

Until Andoid ad iOS phoes can do REAL multi-taskng like webOS does, I'll remain 100% uniterested in those cumbersome and clunky operating systems.

 

[dream]

Until Andoid ad iOS phoes can do REAL multi-taskng like webOS does, I'll remain 100% uniterested in those cumbersome and clunky operating systems.

Understandable. For most people, though, I think being able to stream Pandora in the background while having an IM client pushing messages to them while getting directions from their GPS on their Droids or iPhones is more than enough. Who cares about the technical implementation as long as the end result is the same?

 

[Days like these...]

Until Andoid ad iOS phoes can do REAL multi-taskng like webOS does, I'll remain 100% uniterested in those cumbersome and clunky operating systems.

I bought a pre day 1 and love webos. I can upgrade yearly with sprint so I bought an evo. I've come to terms with the OS but that doesn't mean I like it. Palm give me a better reason to come back.

 

[samus i am]

I bought a pre day 1 and love webos. I can upgrade yearly with sprint so I bought an evo. I've come to terms with the OS but that doesn't mean I like it. Palm give me a better reason to come back.

This is the real issue. People are abandoning ship right and left. And when they leave they mostly go to Android. Not because they don't like webOS, but because Palm waited too long.

 

[Asbel]

This is the real issue. People are abandoning ship right and left. And when they leave they mostly go to Android. Not because they don't like webOS, but because Palm waited too long.

palm kept their marketshare last quarter in a market that grew 11%. During this time, iphone 4, evo and droid incredible released yet palm still gained users with no new device.

http://www.precentral.net/comscore-palm-hangs-49-us-marketshare

 

[MrPliskin]

Understandable. For most people, though, I think being able to stream Pandora in the background while having an IM client pushing messages to them while getting directions from their GPS on their Droids or iPhones is more than enough. Who cares about the technical implementation as long as the end result is the same?

My experience with both of those phones and streaming pandora came along with multiple service interruptions (which resulted in pauses in the music streaming). Unless that's been fixed through updates, I'm just not interested. The way Palm handles multi-tasking is the best, IMO. When my friends show me their new phones, the only thing I do is ask them to compare how long it takes to swap apps, naturally my phone wins out every time.

The end result, however, is not the same. Like I said, unless they've made changes to how the systems work, there are service interruptions that occur when you have multiple programs running, and often times you can end up with programs that don't "close" correctly because the backwards way multi-tasking is implemented (having a dedicated API to mult-task on a app to app basis is silly).

The fact that not ALL apps on both of these phones are capable of multi-tasking is archaic.

 

[Blackhead]

So did you show her why you went with the Pixi?

I'm not worried about HP marketing something as cool. They just have to stick Dr. Dre in a commercial with Beats audio on a Palm phone and it's instantly cool.

I like your write up but it's too focused on your age group. The market is bigger than that and the older crowd has more money to spend.

I tried but she's not interested and it's not that easy to demo multitasking and notifications so she understands it's not just different but it's also better. 'Efficiency' isn't exactly a buzzword for that age group. And, let's face it, Android has some better features like a better web browser, better camera and better media player. She's still enamored with her new smartphone though and when she eventually comes to ask for help on something I'll sneak in some praises for my Pixi.

 

[Asbel]

I tried but she's not interested and it's not that easy to demo multitasking and notifications so she understands it's not just different but it's also better. 'Efficiency' isn't exactly a buzzword for that age group. And, let's face it, Android has some better features like a better web browser, better camera and better media player. She's still enamored with her new smartphone though and when she eventually comes to ask for help on something I'll sneak in some praises for my Pixi.

I got ya, just remind her you know phones so there's a good reason you went with a pixi.

I didn't think android had a better music player. Not with nanplayer and remix available. You can even have your music player, podcast and streaming radio available to control from your lock screen. Play one and the others pause.

 

[Relix]

Look, WebOS is amazing. Excellent service. I do like the Pre form factor, yet I cannot recommend the phone anymore to anyone. In fact when people ask me what to buy I direct them to the Evo. The reason is the abysmal quality. I am on my third Pre, and soon fourth because this one's radio has gone poof. First the battery life. Doesn't last 3 hours with the use I give it. Gotta have the car charger ready and USB cable to charge it from PCs. Hardware? My God! The freaking thing has cracked without having ever touched the ground directly since it has a cover. There are even holes already. The keyboard seems like it will detach itself from the cell.

Excellent software marred by horrible hardware. The Pre is NOT recommended, hence the reason why retailers dropped it before. Now, Pre ++. What the hell Palm/HP? A 1GHz phone? My freaking current old gen Pre runs at 1GHz overclocked FFS :lol :lol And with the memory enhancements of UberKernel the 256MB do the job quite well. It has the same battery (or so reports say), same screen size, just flat. What the hell. I really hope they have something else or I'll be jumping ships pretty damn soon.

 

[Asbel]

Look, WebOS is amazing. Excellent service. I do like the Pre form factor, yet I cannot recommend the phone anymore to anyone. In fact when people ask me what to buy I direct them to the Evo. The reason is the abysmal quality. I am on my third Pre, and soon fourth because this one's radio has gone poof. First the battery life. Doesn't last 3 hours with the use I give it. Gotta have the car charger ready and USB cable to charge it from PCs. Hardware? My God! The freaking thing has cracked without having ever touched the ground directly since it has a cover. There are even holes already. The keyboard seems like it will detach itself from the cell.

Excellent software marred by horrible hardware. The Pre is NOT recommended, hence the reason why retailers dropped it before. Now, Pre ++. What the hell Palm/HP? A 1GHz phone? My freaking current old gen Pre runs at 1GHz overclocked FFS :lol :lol And with the memory enhancements of UberKernel the 256MB do the job quite well. It has the same battery (or so reports say), same screen size, just flat. What the hell. I really hope they have something else or I'll be jumping ships pretty damn soon.

if you like the form factor but not the build quailty of the old pre, then it seems like you should be happy with a new pre with better build quality.

if you're a heavy user, you won't be getting much better battery life doing the same exact things on other smartphones. The new chips running at 1ghz will be better on battery life then an oc'd 1 ghz though.

 

[MrPliskin]

I believe I read that the new CPU in the Pre 2 has less battery consumption than the current 600mhz processor, correct?

If so, I wonder if changes can be made to drop the cpu speeds to further increase battery life through homebrew. If so, the Pre 2 could be a powerhouse (for me) when it comes to staying connected.

Also, Relix, any dreads of cracks can go away, since the new Pre has a flat screen instead of the crack prone 'rounded' edges. Also, if your processor is OC'd to 1Ghz, then imagine what the homebrew community will be able to do with TWICE the memory and TWICE the processor speed. I think you're selling this new phone short.

Also, the Verizon Pre's are better in quality (at least has been my experience) than the Sprint phones. Specifically, the Keyboard.

 

[Blackhead]

Is this tip from PreCentral really giving the easiest way to customize icons? I'm trying to follow that process but it's taking way too long. Here is all I've done so far:

What icon sets/themes are you using? Where can I find a guide showing the location of all the system image files and how to create my own installable theme?

 

[AlteredBeast]

you know, I do see Pre's and Pixi's fairly often in my workplace. They can't be selling too poorly, can they?

 

[Asbel]

Is this tip from PreCentral really giving the easiest way to customize icons? I'm trying to follow that process but it's taking way too long. Here is all I've done so far:

What icon sets/themes are you using? Where can I find a guide showing the location of all the system image files and how to create my own installable theme?

Nice theme. Thought someone posted screens of win 7 for a second there. Haven't made my own theme but there is a theme sub forum at precentral with How To's.

you know, I do see Pre's and Pixi's fairly often in my workplace. They can't be selling too poorly, can they?

Check the link I posted several post up.

News just in, Palm is stealing the head of Nokia's Meago along with Samsung's head of R&D and some of HP's execs. Oh yeah, they also hired the homebrew developer for Nanplayer.
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/...ias-ari-jaaksi-and-samsungs-victoria-coleman/

 

[giga]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html

Boring.

 

[BoboBrazil]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html

Boring.

Shitty resolution by today's standards, small screen, and looks exactly the same. Repeating failure=success??

 

[Relix]

So much fail in one package. They need a better phone :lol

 

[brotkasten]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html

Boring.

That's pretty much what the Pre Plus should've been from the start.

 

[Ulairi]

It's a stop gap until CES when they announce new headsets.

 

[Blackhead]

HP introduces feature-packed webOS 2.0

Here’s what else Palm didn’t let slip until today:

webOS finally supports Adobe Flash Player 10.1 (beta), and it comes baked right into webOS 2.0. Flash support is limited to the browser...

You can now tag contacts as a “favorite.” ...

webOS 2.0 comes along with Text Assist. The new app and service build upon and greatly expand the auto-correction capabilities of webOS, including general spell checking, dictionary customization, and the ability to set your own macros (custom text strings with a short typed trigger)...

Skype Mobile is coming to webOS, so long as you’re on Verizon...

The new Quickoffice Connect Mobile Suite is included from the start, displacing DataViz’s abandoned Documents to Go package. But the only thing you’ll get by default in webOS 2.0 is the Quickoffice viewer, which lets you read Word, Excel, and PowerPoint files... app does sync with online services like Google Docs and Dropbox.

The Facebook app is also getting a bump to 2.0, which brings along support for Facebook Chat in Messaging, through the magic of Synergy. The new Facebook app also leverages the other new webOS tools, like Stacks, Quick Actions, and Exhibition.

The Web browser now supports more HTML5 features, including geolocation... Also added in is OpenSearch plug-in support, which will allow you to add your favorite website searches to Just Type search...

Messaging has picked up Yahoo! IM, leaving Windows Live as the final major chat platform not available to webOS users. The new VPN app allows for connections to all variety of VPN networks (including IPsec and Cisco AnyConnect). The App Catalog has been revamped to make “finding and discovering great apps even easier.” There’s also a new Software Manager to help you, well, manage your software.

As we saw earlier, the launcher has been redesigned to enable users to add, label, and reorder pages. Also changed is the behavior of the dock, with apps added to the dock staying in the launcher, and the dock disappearing when the launcher is brought up.

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html

Boring.

.

And where is the Pixi 2 anyway? Palm isnt going to release it later and with weaker hardware are they?

And this makes my blood boil :

Cut, copy, and paste

It’s simple [sic] to copy text from one place and paste it in another. You can cut or copy any editable text, such as text from a web page or email. Just tap the text to insert the cursor—if the cursor appears, you can edit the text. Then select the text, choose cut or copy, and insert the cursor where you want to paste it.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Just Verizon? They are going to get nuked if they don't launch this on every network, especially Sprint who still has the old Pre and Pixi

 

[Fatalah]

I hope HP finds a place for Palm in this crazy mobile landscape. Not sure where Palm fits anymore.

The Pre 2 is akin to an old band releasing a greatest hits album. What, no new material? You replaced the lead singer with some karaoke champion? What - the - hell ?

 

[brotkasten]

HP introduces feature-packed webOS 2.0

What about Flash 10.1 for the old Pre? Will they release 2.0 for the old devices?

 

[mAcOdIn]

What about Flash 10.1 for the old Pre? Will they release 2.0 for the old devices?

Lol, what about Flash? Who knows what the fuck Adobe's doing with it, fucking hate that company.

But I think the plan is that the old devices will get WebOS 2.

 

[Blackhead]

What about Flash 10.1 for the old Pre? Will they release 2.0 for the old devices?

The beta is out for the old devices but given Palm's previous troubles releasing updates through the carriers who knows when it'll arrive. The Pre 2 is going on sale in France on Oct 22 so webOS 2.0 should be ready. OVA syncing and updates is a great feature from Palm but what they really need is WiFi syncing with a desktop app.

That flash support better come with a flashblocker too

 

[MrPliskin]

You guys greatly under estimate the Pre 2 hardware...

If HP springs for their usual celebrity endorsed ads, then the Phone has a good chance at success.

 

[Chairman85]

You guys greatly under estimate the Pre 2 hardware...

If HP springs for their usual celebrity endorsed ads, then the Phone has a good chance at success.

Agreed. The Pre 2 hardware (CPU/RAM) is comparable to iPhone4/Androids/Win7.

 

[Relix]

Agreed. The Pre 2 hardware (CPU/RAM) is comparable to iPhone4/Androids/Win7.

Phones which were launched 6 months ago. In 6 months we will see dual core CPUs and more RAM. Also... tiny screen. Good form factor, but at the expense of screen.

 

[giga]

You guys greatly under estimate the Pre 2 hardware...

If HP springs for their usual celebrity endorsed ads, then the Phone has a good chance at success.

No, I know the internals are fine, it's just that I'm tired of the same design from the original. The display is especially dated.

 

[Asbel]

You guys worry too much. One device isn't going to break a company as big as HP. This device is going for less than $150 in europe, which means HP knows it's not meant to compete with the superphones on the market.

Don't have time to read all the details now but 2.0 looks good from a glance.

 

[nataku]

Just Verizon? They are going to get nuked if they don't launch this on every network, especially Sprint who still has the old Pre and Pixi

Not only did they skip us Sprint users with the Pre Plus, they're doing it again with the Pre 2. I feel like I'm really getting kicked in the nuts.

 

[Chairman85]

Phones which were launched 6 months ago. In 6 months we will see dual core CPUs and more RAM. Also... tiny screen. Good form factor, but at the expense of screen.

It's my hope that this is just a first measure until CES where HP/Palm introduces new form factors.

 

[Asbel]

Phones which were launched 6 months ago. In 6 months we will see dual core CPUs and more RAM. Also... tiny screen. Good form factor, but at the expense of screen.

I see my friends with big screen phones and they do look beautiful but I'm getting a tablet and prefer a small phone with it. Best of both worlds.

Also, just glad Flash is out in time for the tablet, where it's really advantageous.

 

[MrPliskin]

No, I know the internals are fine, it's just that I'm tired of the same design from the original. The display is especially dated.

Well, if you like enormous chunky phones that aren't practical and have absolutely horrid battery life, sure, maybe the display is dated. However, I'd argue that screen size will be easily negligible when you look at the substantially improved battery life.

That said, again, this phone was planned long before HP, and more phones are on the way. It seems many people in this thread seem to not understand that. They are under the impression that a multi-billion dollar giant like HP doesn't own Palm, and isn't invested in the future success of webOS. :lol

 

[nataku]

No auto focus on the camera is pathetic, too.

 

[joeposh]

I hope that the rumored "Mansion" device is still in the cards for early next year. While Web OS 2.0 looks great, the Pre 2 just is too little, too late in my view.

 

[Days like these...]

It's a stop gap until CES when they announce new headsets.

I hope your right, even so I'm tempted to get this.

 

[Bregor]

Well, if you like enormous chunky phones that aren't practical and have absolutely horrid battery life, sure, maybe the display is dated. However, I'd argue that screen size will be easily negligible when you look at the substantially improved battery life.

That said, again, this phone was planned long before HP, and more phones are on the way. It seems many people in this thread seem to not understand that. They are under the impression that a multi-billion dollar giant like HP doesn't own Palm, and isn't invested in the future success of webOS. :lol

Funny, my Android phone (with a larger screen) has double the battery life that my Palm Pre had.

 

[samus i am]

Not only did they skip us Sprint useres with the Pre Plus, they're doing it again with the Pre 2. I feel like I'm really getting kicked in the nuts.

Whaaaaaat? Nooooooooooooooo

 

[brotkasten]

Well, if you like enormous chunky phones that aren't practical and have absolutely horrid battery life, sure, maybe the display is dated. However, I'd argue that screen size will be easily negligible when you look at the substantially improved battery life.

It's not the about the screen size, but the resolution. 480x320 in 2010 is dated.