jim-jam bongs
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Man, these motherfuckers need Jesus.
Everyone knows sadistic Jesus porn is where it's at.
Everyone knows sadistic Jesus porn is where it's at.
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The people who make brutal video game porn
- Thread starter mocoworm
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Well just consider that, apparently, many people bring this up when these issues are discussed. I am one of those people.
You say you don't understand how they're comparable.
I don't see how they're not.
People enjoy (more-or-less socially acceptable) entertainment where the player's avatar kills multiple (tens, hundreds, or even thousands) human beings in violent fashion.
Few people bat an eye, in the slightest.
People enjoy entertainment where the on-screen action consists of some manner of violence, containing, to some degree, a 'sexual' component - eyelashes are battened down like as if the Titanic was reincarnated and thrust knowingly into the middle of a massive iceberg-nado (iceberg-icane? IDK).
There is a disconnect, apparent to me.
Killing a bunch of people is okay, irrregardless of any ludo-narrative dissonance, apparently, as long as neither the on-screen character, nor the player or viewer outside that fourth-wall, is getting sexually aroused. ? Really?
Random acts of senseless violence are fine to enjoy, apparently, unless someone's "jimmies" are "rustled", so to speak.
I don't get it.
I don't mind saying I don't get it.
Saying that the situations are not comparable in "context and presentation" does not clear up my lack of "getting it".
Finding enjoyment amidst depictions of violence toward representations of other sentient beings seems, to me, to be a common thread there, and I can't see why it's not ridiculous to draw some sort of sacred line in the sand which is meant only to exclude those who might view the proceedings in a sexually stimulating light.
Finding enjoyment or even just entertainment amidst the representations of violence directed at sentient, possibly even human, beings is the common theme.
I don't see why the involvement of a sexual component in said representations makes it any worse, in any way, than simply gratuitous violence against other thinking, feeling beings (or reasonable representations thereof).
Violence towards thinking, feeling beings is at least roughly equivalent in either scenario, and it seems disingenuous, at best, to pretend that only those who might enjoy or appreciate the ones with a sexual component are the ones who are "weird", "creepy", or "scary".
gutterboy44
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Hahah, oh no you didn't just try to play a logical fallacy card on me! Strawman argument? That's the one you're going with? Eh, hate to break it to you but I don't think you are using that one correctly. Best not to play it again before brushing up on the usage or else you might end up looking like a [ad hominem card ].
Nevertheless, I find it odd that on one hand; you appear to be exhausted by Patricia and her predictable (to you) beat over at Kotaku, but on the other hand, strongly insist you stopped patronizing the site three years ago, right when she started working at Kotaku. If you actually have not read a single word from that site in three years, you would have only been exposed to about two or three weeks of her writing, tops. At what point did you become so familiar and put off by her contributions to Kotaku? Wait...unless you do still read Kotaku from time to time or, are one of those people who obsessively hate-read things they pretend to ignore.
Anyway, thank you for popping in to let everyone know you don't read Kotaku. I know it is a rather unconventional opinion to have here on GAF, so I always applaud those courageous enough to confess that they don't like Kotaku in public. Maybe one day people will feel safe enough here to start criticizing Polygon. It's fucked up how we are forced to agree with their reviews.
she's a rape survivor christ gain some fucking empathy and understanding as to why this may be a topic that's important to her.
Palette Swap
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The way I understood it, the bias stems from the fact they focus on that one particular studio which is very much into that stuff. Hence the title I guess, it's not just about brutal porn but the people who make it, and they do happen to host other kinds of porn.The idea of using video game models for porn kind of makes sense, like it seems natural that people would want to see that. But the article made it seem like 90% of the porn getting made is rape scenes-- what's that about?
The best part, and this is also the interviewee's credit, is that it gives ample room to the guy to explain his point of view and lets him convey it. The fact he reads as open and mild mannered helps a lot. This is the opposite of a confrontational or polemic piece.
Korean Jesus / Vietnamese Jesus double team is where it's really at. Not that western cookie cutter bullshit.
Yeah, never said they were. I have additional posts clarifying this. I do point out that I am in no way a fan however, but don't claim that fantasy causes reality.
Interesting write up, and I mean that non-sarcastically. I enjoyed your input on it. I have a fundamental disconnect that just can't be resolved on this, and that's okay.
I disagree with the notion that adding sex to already violent acts isn't somehow more off putting or disturbing, and I don't consider myself a prude. Too me it's just an apples and oranges thing, and I don't see how shooting a guy in a video game, and getting off to characters being raped and then "breaking" to the point of wanting it are equated.
Agree to disagree I guess.
Additionally, my issue isn't that they're using game models to make porn, it's how and what they're doing with them I find very off putting, as I see it devaluing rape. Still, free speech and all that.
This'll be the last I post on this as well, I feel I have contributed to the discussion being off in the weeds. When it comes down to it, this was a good article, well written about a very uncommon or undiscussed subject.
That statement doesn't even make sense.
thunder_snail
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Tell me the amount of people you've killed in a video game in the past month. Porn is porn and it's better for people to fulfill their fantasies through porn rather than in real life.
M0nochromatic
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As long as no ones being harmed in the making of, or enjoyment of the subject in question, whatever. I'm personally not a fan of 3d or CG porn. The uncanny valley is too much of a hinderance.
Holy Baikal and Cream were good posters for this kind of topic. It's a shame they're not here.
7DollarHagane
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I read once that the most popular videos among heterosexual men advertised or featured large penises being used in the porn.
I think that has to do with the fantasy of having that gigantic dong, not attraction to the dong.
I think rape fantasies are the same way - a fantasy of power or powerlessness, but not a legitimate desire to be involved in rape in any way.
The human brain is a weird thing, and to say that people are messed up because of what they enjoy is silly.
Although i can't understand or condone the underage stuff even if it is cartoons/anime. I think that is where the line is drawn and it's just wrong entirely.
I think that has to do with the fantasy of having that gigantic dong, not attraction to the dong.
I think rape fantasies are the same way - a fantasy of power or powerlessness, but not a legitimate desire to be involved in rape in any way.
The human brain is a weird thing, and to say that people are messed up because of what they enjoy is silly.
Although i can't understand or condone the underage stuff even if it is cartoons/anime. I think that is where the line is drawn and it's just wrong entirely.
What then doesn't make sense? That statement was perfectly logical.
It looks like the guy got bored with Carn's recent stuff.
I know lolicon is illegal in the US but is it officially illegal in japan too?
freethoughtbubble
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You said it. What the fuck
M0nochromatic
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Think it was a ban over physical power between men and women, it wasn't voluntary, I think. And yeah, that is a bit contradictory.^ Did Baikai ask for a ban again? D:
Rape fantasy based on an act that is illegal: ok
(Possibly) Consenting fictional loli fantasy based on an act that is illegal: Offensive filth that's illegal I hope you freaks know you can't have fantasies about lolis
Depends on the state in US and no its not in Japan.
sensui-tomo
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Thats a subject i wont touch with a 10 foot pole on gaf, although for acedemic reasons i would (aka does viewing it make you a pedophile/padeophile(i think thats the term?) and if you know to never act on said impulses does that make you bad?)
but if its illegal, its illegal, cant argue against that.
Crash Station
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Even in the states where it is illegal, I've heard it's incredibly rare to actually see the law enforced. At least that's what someone here said in a different thread a while back.
Yeah because what idiot is going to go waving around his little girl porn comics in public?
The statement that it's illegal isn't really the problem, it's the odd double standard that seems to imply rape isn't illegal, so it's ok to make ridiculous porn about it.
I agree it's a subject too complicated to discuss here.
Crash Station
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Well that implies they aren't found out. The guy said (prominent poster, but I can't remember who) even if someone is known to have them, most people in law enforcement wouldn't do anything about it unless there's reason to believe said person has real CP.
Seems to be about as illegal as weed is these days.
CadetMahoney
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When it comes to stuff that's illegal on paper, it's just to appease the mainstream.
Otherwise it's just a usual "don't ask don't tell" policy regarding animation and themed porn with consenting adults even though that's illegal on paper. It's rare you'll see law enforcement actively spending money and time looking for ppl who download.