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Cloudy said:
It also works when the other team's best 2 players go down. Go Suns!!! Get that first spot!!!

Whatever hater. We won sorry your shitty fucking team can't do that. Enjoy fighting for the playoffs. Kobe sucks and can't carry his team like he thought he could when he ran Shaq out of town, not my fucking fault.
 
It's just the facts, dude. Or were the Suns not down double digits when Booze and AK were playing? I'm actually rooting for your team so the Lakers can upset them in the first round now that it seems they are destined for the 8th spot :lol
 
Updated Western Conference Standings:

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	W 	L 	PCT 	GB 	HM 	RD 	CONF 	DIV 	PF 	PA 	STRK 	L10 	 
1 	Phoenix 	41 	12 	.774 	- 	19-5 	22-7 	22-8 	7-1 	110.2 	102.0 	Won 2 	8-2 	 
2 	San Antonio 	40 	12 	.769 	½ 	23-1 	17-11 	23-8 	5-3 	97.0 	86.5 	Lost 1 	7-3 	 
3 	Seattle 	35 	14 	.714 	4 	19-7 	16-7 	22-9 	7-4 	101.4 	96.9 	Lost 1 	7-3 	 
4 	Dallas  	33 	16 	.673 	6 	17-9 	16-7 	18-10 	6-4 	102.1 	96.9 	Won 2 	6-4 	 
5 	Sacramento 	33 	18 	.647 	7 	19-8 	14-10 	18-16 	5-3 	103.1 	100.1 	Won 1 	5-5 	 
6 	Houston 	31 	21 	.596 	9 ½ 	17-10 	14-11 	17-11 	7-3 	93.3 	91.7 	Won 7 	8-2 	 
7 	Memphis 	30 	22 	.577 	10 ½ 	18-9 	12-13 	18-13 	4-4 	94.3 	91.0 	Lost 1 	7-3 	 
8 	LA Lakers 	25 	24 	.510 	14 	17-10 	8-14 	16-16 	6-4 	97.7 	98.7 	Lost 2 	3-7 	 
  	Minnesota 	25 	27 	.481 	15 ½ 	14-13 	11-14 	18-13 	7-3 	96.8 	96.3 	Lost 2 	2-8 	 
  	LA Clippers 	23 	28 	.451 	17 	17-10 	6-18 	13-20 	5-6 	95.0 	95.0 	Lost 5 	4-6 	 
  	Denver 	     23 	28 	.451 	17 	15-9 	8-19 	9-20 	3-7 	95.2 	97.0 	Lost 1 	6-4 	 
  	Portland 	21 	29 	.420 	18 ½ 	13-10 	8-19 	9-19 	3-5 	92.6 	95.0 	Won 1 	5-5 	 
  	Utah 	     17 	34 	.333 	23 	11-14 	6-20 	13-18 	5-6 	95.6 	99.0 	Lost 1 	3-7 	 
  	Golden State 	14 	37 	.275 	26 	10-16 	4-21 	7-25 	1-10 	94.5 	99.9 	Lost 2 	2-8 	 
  	New Orleans 	11 	41 	.212 	29 ½ 	8-15 	3-26 	7-24 	0-8 	88.0 	95.2 	Won 1 	3-7

I wouldn't be worrying about the first round of anything at this point, KOBEX, unless it's Kobe's first round on the golf course.
 
Cloudy said:
Don't say I didn't tell you come April :)

PS: That white chick comment was pretty lame too :p

What about Kobe fucking a white chick in the ass instead of playing in the playoffs? Oh sorry I guess his Kobeness would never do something like that. I better not defame his Holy, Pure Ass. I figured you'd be personally touched by it, and I didn't want to leave you crying all night over the comment, but oh well I guess the damage is done.

And tell me what? I am more realistic about the Suns playoff chances than anyone here (and that includes you, who is realistic about nothing in basketball).
 
Actually, I thought it was lame cos you emphasized white chick like it's somehow better to be accused of raping a non-caucasian but whatever...

And tell me what?

That the Lakers would beat the Suns in a 7 game series :p
 
Jumpman said:
Whoa there, be careful with the glowing adjectives. The Heat are hardly a great team. Their just a decent team with a couple of good players getting fat off the pathetically weak eastern conference. If they played in the west, they would probably rank no higher than 5th or 6th. Hardly what I would call great.

The Spurs are the only "great" team in the league right now. They are followed by the very good, and deserving of respect, Sacremento Kings. The Sonics and Suns are strong up and comers, but they have yet to prove they are for real. Great teams are not made over night. To become great, you must prove yourself multiple times in the playoffs, usually over a period of at least a couple of years.

Comparing the current Heat to those Jazz and Bulls teams is laughable. Either one of those teams would have swept this Miami team in a seven game series. If the Spurs somehow meet up with them in the finals, I would expect them to do the same.

Heh, I think you're exaggerating my comments. I believe they're a great team. Not great, great, but very dangerous. It was more of a compliment after the loss. I still believe there are at least 5 teams better in the West, but that's another story. As for the Finals comment, I said it would be the best since the Jazz/Bulls. At no time did I compare the Spurs or Heat to those two teams. Eventhough the Spurs kinda remind me of the Bulls. Just kidding.

Ninja Scooter, good job. Even posting pics of players that are obviously leaning towards Bruce trying to draw a foul or picking selected frames from defensive plays that always result on physical contact. Keep on drinking that haterade. This is for you BTW:

BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO
Star-Ledger Staff

Roughly 30 years and 30 pounds ago, George Karl was one of the most annoying defenders in basketball, an inexhaustible pest who played so hard and defended so persistently he was known as "the flea."

So admittedly, Bruce Bowen is Karl's kind of player.

But the Denver coach understands why the Nets could be miffed by Bowen's tactics Friday night, when the Spurs swingman effectively took Vince Carter out of the game to spark a comeback.

"Bruce is good. I love his tricks, man -- he reminds me of me a little bit," Karl said before the Nets' 94-79 victory over the Nuggets last night.

"But you're getting into a really tough area. I don't think Bruce Bowen's a dirty player. He's a competitor, he's an angry defensive competitor who makes his living covering people and getting into people's heads.

"He's pushing the line all the time, some people think he crosses the line. I personally don't think he does. I just think he pushes it to the point where it becomes annoying. That's usually the sign of a great defensive player, a guy that gets annoying." Eventually, Karl got to the point: Whether Bowen's final "tactic" was a dirty play is in the eye of the beholder.
"I think Bruce crosses the line if he's playing against me," Karl said. "If he plays for me he doesn't cross the line."

that gets annoying." Eventually, Karl got to the point: Whether Bowen's final "tactic" was

It's good to know knowledgeable basketball people share my opinion. Maybe I'm not that blind and there are good reasons behind my thinking. Hmmm....

I await for another one of your witty responses in which you resort to calling me a fucking retard or Batihoe. Funny stuff. Keep it up.
 
Cloudy said:
Actually, I thought it was lame cos you emphasized white chick like it's somehow better to be accused of raping a non-caucasian but whatever...

Yeah, "whatever" is right.

Easy to make bold predictions about the future when your team is sucking ass. Let's talk about right now, shall we instead of omfgdude Lakers will win in a 7 game series? At this point, the Lakers going 4-3 in the regular season would be impressive for them, why don't you worry about that first and resume the shit-talking for when you have something that even remotely resembles a decent basketball team. omfgdude Atlanta could take you in a 7-game series right now.
 
AstroLad said:
why don't you worry about that first and resume the shit-talking for when you have something that even remotely resembles a decent basketball team.


I take offense to that comment.
 
All I'm gonna say is Suns don't wanna see LA in the first round and if you watched their 2 games this year, I dunno why that is such an outlandish statement.

It's also funny how passionate you are about the Suns now. Where the fuck were you in this thread last season? :lol
 
Cloudy said:
All I'm gonna say is Suns don't wanna see LA in the first round and if you watched their 2 games this year, I dunno why that is such an outlandish statement.

It's also funny how passionate you are about the Suns now. Where the fuck were you in this thread last season? :lol

And where the fuck is he when the Suns lose? Not that I care, but I've noticed he disappears. ;-)
 
Cloudy said:
All I'm gonna say is Suns don't wanna see LA in the first round and if you watched their 2 games this year, I dunno why that is such an outlandish statement.

Oh right, those 2 games the Lakers won right? :lol Yeah you guys sure were intimidating. Considering their performances, I'm sure the Suns are more scared of the Grizzlies at this point than Odom and the Gang.

Oh, and I was rarely ever posting on GA "last season." I respect my teams though, shit I even talk about the Cardinals in the NFL threads, and I always talk about the D-Backs in the baseball threads. That and I've been going to Suns games every year I was in AZ. Actually the best game I went to was in the playoffs when Kidd and Co. blew the Lakers out (while getting their asses kicked in the series, I might add), so don't try to play the "OMG YUR A BANDWAGONNER UVE PROLLY NEVER BEEN TO PHX!!" card with me.
 
Oh right, those 2 games the Lakers won right? Yeah you guys sure were intimidating

LA led by double digits in the 4th of both games but choked at the end. It's not like they got blown out or even outplayed for most of the games. I like the Lakers chances against Phoenix more than any of the other top WC team so I'm rooting for your team :)

Oh and there's nothing wrong with being a fairweather fan if you're one. But putting down the Lakers who have a pretty respectable, playoff-eligible record given their numerous injuries is funny considering what the Suns were last year :)
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
And where the fuck is he when the Suns lose? Not that I care, but I've noticed he disappears. ;-)

Huh?

If anything I am the first to announce a Suns loss and usually give props to the other team.

After the Grizz Loss:

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953159&postcount=49

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953187&postcount=51

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953236&postcount=54

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953259&postcount=57

Shit you even posted right below me. Apparently you are as perceptive as your boy in your avatar is ugly. :p

Only other loss all month was to Seattle, sorry I can't be in here after every single Suns game (win or lose), but I'll be sure to pencil this in from now on.
 
Cloudy said:
LA led by double digits in the 4th of both games but choked at the end. It's not like they got blown out or even outplayed for most of the games. I like the Lakers chances against Phoenix more than any of the other top WC team so I'm rooting for your team :)

Oh and there's nothing wrong with being a fairweather fan if you're one. But putting down the Lakers who have a pretty respectable, playoff-eligible record given their numerous injuries is funny considering what the Suns were last year :)

Only reason I "put down" the Lakers is b/c you bitch about the Suns so much, about how they are "Stern's Team" and get every call, and how "OMG THEY TOTALLY WOULD HAVE LOST IF X AND Y HAPPENED!" You talk shit about my team, I talk shit about yours. What, you can dish it but you can't take it? I guess that makes sense when your team is such dogshit. Good game against the Cavs btw, nice lift Kobe gave to the team there. Real MVP.

And there is something wrong with being a fair-weather fan; it's fucking dumb, but that's just my opinion.
 
I just call it like I see it, dude. The goaltending, the injuries to AK and Booze and any other "hating". Suns got lucky and sometimes that's better than being good. If it was the Lakers or any other team, I'd say it too...

PS: Lakers aren't even in that game w/o Kobe, dude. Just wait till Mitch balances the roster :)
 
Cloudy said:
I just call it like I see it, dude. The goaltending, the injuries to AK and Booze and any other "hating". Suns got lucky and sometimes that's better than being good. If it was the Lakers or any other team, I'd say it too...

Yeah, you're so well-known around these parts for your fine objective analysis.
 
AstroLad said:
Huh?

If anything I am the first to announce a Suns loss and usually give props to the other team.

After the Grizz Loss:

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953159&postcount=49

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953187&postcount=51

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953236&postcount=54

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=953259&postcount=57

Shit you even posted right below me. Apparently you are as perceptive as your boy in your avatar is ugly. :p

Only other loss all month was to Seattle, sorry I can't be in here after every single Suns game (win or lose), but I'll be sure to pencil this in from now on.

Hahaha, you do that. But I was just kidding. It was more of a dig at not seeing you after the losses against the Spurs. ;-)
 
AstroLad said:
Yeah, you're so well-known around these parts for your fine objective analysis.

I'm objective in any serious, non-Kobe discussions :p Hell, I probably bash my fave team more than anyone besides Fifty in here :lol
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Hahaha, you do that. But I was just kidding. It was more of a dig at not seeing you after the losses against the Spurs. ;-)

I was here after the Spurs losses too:

December Loss:

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=807428&postcount=2397

January Loss:

Tons of posts.

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showpost.php?p=910064&postcount=1725

It's amazing I was even there after the January loss as I should have been a quivering mess after that pwning comeback by the Spurs. Fucking Spurs. It's ridiculous and wrong how much praise I give the Spurs.
 
Well then, I definitely have to pay more attention. :-p

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm probably thinking about Incognito. Who was saying for weeks how he would enjoy the Suns beatdown on the Spurs. Yet, after the game, he was nowhere to be seen. Eh, he was probably banned, as always.
 
Incognito always gets banned...you should be used to it by now. :lol






Takuan said:
Alright, looking at that Bowen animation, I think you could at least argue that it's POSSIBLE he wasn't trying to hurt Vince. He may have been trying to do what he usually does after a jumpshot (back up on the player so he can't get the rebound), but because of the nature of Vince's shot, his leg got caught up. The rest was just Bowen himself trying not to fall down. I'll bet in regular speed that play looks a lot less dirty.

The problem here is history. If Bowen doesn't stick his leg out under Vince last year (and he clearly did, for no reason to), there isn't an issue. In this game Vince is lighting Bowen up, and during a stoppage in play some words are exchanged, and Bowen lightly head butts Vince. Vince returns the favour, and both are tee'd up. Vince again proceeds to light up Bowen, and then Bowen pulls his move. In light of the head butt, last year's leg slide and injury, and a long history of not being penpals to begin with, it doesn't take a rocket ship scientist to figure out what's going on.

Again, Vince got ejected for the first time in his career. I've never ever seen him snap the way he did. That counts for something. Not to mention Bowen's pathetic excuse of Vince trying to trip him up. :lol

As for George Karl defending Bowen...hey, it's George Karl. 2002 Worlds, 'nuff said. :lol

Post all star break, the main concern for teams is to stay healthy. As long as the Spurs big guys (and Bitch Bowen) can stay out the injury ward, they should be in good shape for the playoffs.

Heh, how funny would it be if the Spurs and Lakers hooked up in the first round? Gotta be honest, I wouldn't feel particularly comfortable about that matchup.
 
It's a lock: O'Neal still rocks the vote
Duncan close to Heat center in players' poll

By Chris Tomasson, Rocky Mountain News
February 15, 2005

Nobody this weekend will have to tell Shaquille O'Neal to his face he is not the best in the NBA. That is because the Miami Heat center was named the league's top player in a poll conducted by the Rocky Mountain News.


But it was close. The News polled 151 players, more than one-third of the NBA, and O'Neal received 34 votes (22.5 percent).

O'Neal barely beat out San Antonio Spurs forward Tim Duncan, a two-time Most Valuable Player who received 30 votes (19.9 percent). Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett was third with 28 votes (18.5 percent).

"There is no other player in the league that you need to focus on as much as Shaq," said Golden State Warriors big man Dale Davis, who has battled O'Neal the past 13 seasons.

O'Neal led the Los Angeles Lakers to NBA titles in 2000, 2001 and 2002. He is in his first season with the Heat, having made Miami a threat to win a title.

"It's definitely gotta be Shaq," said New York Knicks guard Jamal Crawford. "Even though his stats aren't the same, he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants to. If you're starting a team, you go with Shaquille O'Neal, for sure."

O'Neal will make his ninth All-Star Game appearance Sunday at the Pepsi Center, having also been chosen for three games he missed because of injury. He shared All-Star MVP honors with Duncan in 2000.

If O'Neal can steer the Heat into this season's Finals, it could meet up with the Spurs. Duncan is gunning for his third title in seven seasons.

"He plays a very solid and fundamental game," Dallas Mavericks forward Alan Henderson said of Duncan. "He has lots of different skills and his teams consistently win."

The Timberwolves have not won with much consistency this season, which might have hurt Garnett, last season's MVP, in the voting. But he still is highly regarded.

"Just because he does it all," Chicago Bulls guard Chris Duhon. "He defends, runs the floor, can shoot it, pass it, can bring the ball up the court. He's just so gifted in all those areas."

Twelve players received votes for best player, with Memphis Grizzlies forward Pau Gasol, who got one, being the only one not named to the All-Star Game. Others getting 10 or more votes were Cleveland Cavaliers guard LeBron James with 14 (9.3 percent) and Lakers guard Kobe Bryant with 10 (6.6 percent).

Who is the best player?

• The Rocky Mountain News polled 151 players, more than one-third of the NBA, on a variety of issues. How they responded when asked who is the best player in the NBA:

22.5% Shaquille O'Neal - Miami (34 Total Votes)
19.9% Tim Duncan - San Antonio (30 Total Votes)
18.5% Kevin Garnett - Minnesota (28 Total Votes)
9.3% Lebron James - Cleveland (14 Total Votes)
6.6% Kobe Bryant - Los Angeles Lakers (10 Total Votes)
4.0% Steve Nash - Phoenix (6 Total Votes)
2.6% Amare Stoudemire - Phoenix (4 Total Votes)
2.0% Tracy Mcgrady - Houston (3 Total Votes)


NBA players on the league's best

What some NBA players surveyed in the Rocky Mountain News NBA poll said about the best player in the league:

• On Shaquille O'Neal:

"He's the best. He can do what he wants when he wants."

- Rodney Buford, New Jersey Nets guard

"There's Shaq, who blows everything up."

- Kyle Korver, Philadelphia 76ers forward

• On Tim Duncan:

"Professionally, he comes to play every night and he makes his team better every year. What more could you ask from your franchise player?"

- Stephen Jackson, Indiana Pacers guard

• On Kevin Garnett:

"He does everything. He's 6-11 and he does everything."

- Loren Woods, Toronto Raptors center

• On LeBron James:

"LeBron, to me, does everything on the floor. He defends. He passes, scores. He does everything."

- Tyson Chandler, Chicago Bulls forward

Source: Rocky Mountain News

Uh-oh. ;-)

Lebron > Kobe

The players say so.
 
Fifty said:
Wow, Mr. Max Contract, Zach Randolph gets a DNP:CD tonight while Joelzilla scores 19 and picks up 17 rebounds. The Blazers really messed up when they signed in long term with that kid.

Yeah... it wasn't even necessary. They could've waited until much later in the season to do the contract negotiations. And what the hell is up with Priz? Holy shit!?
 
woo, in about an hour i'm leaving for the united center. if you see anyone in a Hinrich jersey, it's probably me.
 
Eminem said:
woo, in about an hour i'm leaving for the united center. if you see anyone in a Hinrich jersey, it's probably me.
Nice! Go Bulls!!!

Oh, and make a sign that reads, "Deng in mah mouth!"
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Uh-oh. ;-)

Lebron > Kobe

The players say so.

They felt the same way about Vince a couple of years ago, funny how that worked out. :lol

By the way, I figured you wern't trying to claim Miami was a "great great" team, but I had to make sure every one understood that. I can't have people going around tossing unwarranted praise on mediocre teams. However I agree with you that the Heat are dangerous, especially if they get a healthy Alonzo Mourning. That might put them one Tim Duncan inury away from a championship. :(
 
Cloudy said:
And AI and Ray and Tmac etc. Why are guys always judged by how they stack up to Kobe? Hmm....

Wade > Kobe is the next thing :)

What do you mean "next"-- Wade's already there. ;) :D
 
Cloudy said:
And AI and Ray and Tmac etc. Why are guys always judged by how they stack up to Kobe? Hmm....

Wade > Kobe is the next thing :)

:lol Konex you have GOT to be kidding. As of late nobody is comparing NOBODY to Kobe because basically his mystique was shattered after last year's finals. These other players mentioned have the decency and the respect of their coaches to play within a TEAM structure, hence the reason their teams are WINNING this season. Kobe seems to only have a knack for running coaches out of town lately lol.

One thing that impressed me with D Wade was his poise and control in the playoffs last season against the Pacers. For a rookie player he held it together and never flinched, all the while making then rookie coach Van Gundy lookmgreat in the process. Keep it up Dwade, and PLEASE don't get on Shaq's bad side. The consequence can be fatal :(
 
As of late nobody is comparing NOBODY to Kobe

I guess you don't watch SC or listen to sportsradio...

because basically his mystique was shattered after last year's finals

Without him they get swept...

hence the reason their teams are WINNING this season

The Lakers are above .500. With their unbalanced roster and numerous injuries that's decent considering they were supposed to be a lottery team.

Dude, let me know when any of those guys prove themselves time after time in the playoffs. Yeah Kobe had a "bad" series when he was being double and triple teamed every game but let's completely forget how he carried them in the 3 previous series and his huge role in the 3 title runs...
 
Iregardless ;) of the injuries they've suffured this year, there's no disputing the fact that the outcome could've been different had Kobe not choose to play Superman this season. Without Kobe, the Lakers were a well oiled machine lacking killer instinct.
With his return they became the "Kobe Isolation Squad". It's like they all recieve memos from Buss stating "any attempt at team ball shall result in an immediate benching".

Face it Konex, Your man simply doesn't have it in him to be a team player, and that's by HIS choice, not due to his inability to do so.
 
Without Kobe, the Lakers were a well oiled machine lacking killer instinct.

Against Golden State twice and Clevland with Z having a terrible game. They lost to Utah, New Jersey (both at home) and Atlanta without Kobe. Yeah they were much better without him :lol

Dude averages 6.6 dimes a game and shoots only as much as any other top 10 scorer. What the fuck else can he do? Rudy's whole offensive scheme was isos and treys. They are only just now getting away from that crap...

You can hate the guy for his personality and actions off the court but the unfair criticism of his game is bullshit IMO :p
 
Cloudy said:
Against Golden State twice and Clevland with Z having a terrible game. They lost to Utah, New Jersey (both at home) and Atlanta without Kobe. Yeah they were much better without him :lol

Dude averages 6.6 dimes a game and doesn't shoot only as much as any other top 10 scorer. What the fuck else can he do? Rudy's whole offensive scheme was isos and treys. They are only just now getting away from that crap...

Yes Konex, and they blew the Cavs out this weekend with his return (Eyes about to roll). OK you win this match. Gotta wash clothes, but even YOU can admit that they played better when everyone's involved in the offense. till later...
 
Z had 30 pts this game. He was AWFUL the first game and the Lakers just escaped with the W. Why not talk about being down 29 and losing to the fucking Hawks without him?

Tell me exactly how someone averaging 6.6 dimes is not playing team ball? Ridiculous...

PS: Damn VC is going OFF on the Pups :o
 
Kobe is not the best player in the league Konex and your Lakers suck mucho ass...face it and move onto rooting for the Rockets :D
 
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