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[capitalCORN]

The contents are my responsibility. If the content is detrimental to me, that is my fault. The stealing of that information is on the hackers.

Look, in the real world all governments with the capability are hacking everyone they can. That's reality. Russias doing it, the US is doing it...everybodies doing it because information is power. If the Russian government hacked some emails, that is one issue to deal with. The information contained within is another issue.

The point is that the content isn't what's important. You shading Stacy from HR isn't going to change the world, but now everyone on the planet takes it as indictment of your whole character. And guess what, the actual contents of the Democratic leaks was even MILDER. And somehow you don't seem to understand the gulf between internal information and international espionage.

 

[Einchy]

If a year ago you would've told me that the self proclaimed patriots and "true Americans" would cheer on fucking Russia to use our election as a plaything, I would've never believed you.

Republicans are more Republican than they are American.

 

[SURGEdude]

I think the real blame is on the inability of people to put things into context. The emails were not a good look, and there was some not great stuff in there. But it was hardly the kind of thing I wouldn't expect to see in 90% of presidential campaigns. Can you imagine the shit the Trump people must have been saying to one another?

The fact that the private server and Benghazi resonated so well with voters is more an indictment on their level of critical thinking than anything else.

 

[Bossking]

There was nothing in the emails that ever lead to anything illegal, immoral, unethical or otherwise.

Look, even if you're completely innocent, it's still your fault if people PERCEIVE you to be illegal, immoral, unethical or otherwise even when the false image is perpetuated by an outside source of some sort. Pizzagate had it comin', am I (alt-)right, fellas?

 

[platakul]

Please stop equating bad management of cyber security with rape victims. Gross and insulting

 

[black_13]

I agree. If the DNC wasn't corrupt, these emails would've amounted to nothing.

And I read a great comment the other day. The emails just helped the Democrats deliver on their main goal which was transparency.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Now that this is okay. What happens if the Dems ally themselves with Chinese hackers for 2020? It's almost as though you morons don't even contemplate the future ramifications of your tacit approval of stuff like this.

Rubio said it best when he said it could be them next. You don't play with fire like this and expect everything to be okay in the long term.

 

[capitalCORN]

I agree. If the DNC wasn't corrupt, these emails would've amounted to nothing.

And I read a great comment the other day. The emails just helped the Democrats deliver on their main goal which was transparency.

Scorched Earth eh? Welcome to Trump's America!

 

[Stinkles]

The fact that Trump has deep personal, financial, legal and institutional tied to Russia and its oligarchs also seems to be both a pure coincidence and utterly unimportant to a lot of sophisticated patriots though.

You know, like most people.

Most Americans are like, "NATO is bad and the crimea is questionable and US information sovereignty is its own fault.


Those are natural American positions that we shouldn't worry about.

 

[sk3]

What is so damning in the emails though?

Here you go: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

Now you can disagree, but the reality is a significant population of america found these e-mails damaging. You can keep saying "lol the emails had nothing" but that doesn't make it true. That CTR-tier shitpost doesn't fly.

 

[Ryuuroden]

They are angry they lost and looking for someone to blame.
Notice how they are not sorry about the leaked contents just that it was leaked.

DNC is completely corrupt and the emails proved that. Its a massive embarrassment.
They actively conspired against Bernie and propped up Hilary, destroying the democratic process. But oh no we are not hearing about that, Obama is talking about evil Russia leaking the emails. If people cant see the problems with this there is something very wrong.

The DNC leak was (obviously) only related to the DNC rather than Clinton herself as they were leaked before she was the official nominee IIRC. The worst thing was someone suggesting Hilary use the Jew card on Bernie in the primaries.

The Podesta leaks contained info that Donna Brazile leaked a primary debate question to Hilary. She rightfully got a ton of shit for that.



This is the part where you get asked for receipts

The emails that were so "anti bernie" as you put it all were dated in May which by that time Bernie was already out of the race. There was literally no way he could win the nomination at that point even if you pretended super delegates did not exist. At the point in May when the DNC was getting fed up with him he would have had to win every single delegate left in the entire primary which is imposible and he still would not of tied hillary.

 

[xxracerxx]

I agree. If the DNC wasn't corrupt, these emails would've amounted to nothing.

And I read a great comment the other day. The emails just helped the Democrats deliver on their main goal which was transparency.

Still upset about Sanders losing the primary, huh champ? Maybe we can toss the ball around later and talk about those feelings.

 

[KernelPanic]

If the Russians stormed the DNC with a team of KGB agents stole all the DNC and posted it online or faxed it to every news outlet it would be an act of war.

If an Ed Snowden working for the DNC escaped with the documents and spread it online it would be treason.

But if hackers attributed to Russia did it like they've done to other US institutions and other countries then it's a Democrat version of BenghazI.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Here you go: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

Now you can disagree, but the reality is a significant population of america found these e-mails damaging. You can keep saying "lol the emails had nothing" but that doesn't make it true. That CTR-tier shitpost doesn't fly.

The very first point out of the 100 is already completely wrong. Private server and private e-mail address are two separate things.

 

[Ryuuroden]

Now that this is okay. What happens if the Dems ally themselves with Chinese hackers for 2020? It's almost as though you morons don't even contemplate the future ramifications of your tacit approval of stuff like this.

Rubio said it best when he said it could be them next. You don't play with fire like this and expect everything to be okay in the long term.

It likely will be them next. Trump is going to piss off China so hard.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

its funny that Hillary and the DNC are crying about the possibility of Russian hackers influencing the election.. the same person that was was recorded saying that a Palestinian vote should have only occurred if we were able to rig the election for the Palestinian Authority..

No lies detected.

Edit: There is something kind of sad about there being such an outcry that Russians influencing our elections "undermines" our democracy but no one seems to give a relative shit that our nation has been undermining other governments and elections for decades.

 

[BasicMath]

Now that this is okay. What happens if the Dems ally themselves with Chinese hackers for 2020? It's almost as though you morons don't even contemplate the future ramifications of your tacit approval of stuff like this.

Rubio said it best when he said it could be them next. You don't play with fire like this and expect everything to be okay in the long term.

Assuming that they do as the Russians did and release internal emails of the Republicans, wouldn't that simply give us fully transparent elections? We'd know how shitty our two party system truly is.

 

[Bossking]

If the Russians stormed the DNC with a team of KGB agents stole all the DNC and posted it online or faxed it to every news outlet it would be an act of war.

If an Ed Snowden working for the DNC escaped with the documents and spread it online it would be treason.

But if hackers attributed to Russia did it like they've done to other US institutions and other countries then it's a Democrat version of BenghazI.

At this point, I don't think Republicans would care if Russia bombed us, so long as they didn't bomb a red state.

 

[xxracerxx]

Here you go: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

Now you can disagree, but the reality is a significant population of america found these e-mails damaging. You can keep saying "lol the emails had nothing" but that doesn't make it true. That CTR-tier shitpost doesn't fly.

Yeah....number 5 directly links to the Project Veritas video as undisputed proof. This site reads more like an interpretation of the emails with a lot of missing pieces thrown in that are made up.

I am not saying the emails were all puppies and rainbows, just that these interpretations are misleading.

 

[capitalCORN]

Here you go: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

Now you can disagree, but the reality is a significant population of america found these e-mails damaging. You can keep saying "lol the emails had nothing" but that doesn't make it true. That CTR-tier shitpost doesn't fly.

Please enumerate the issues that insult you the most. I'm not sure all those are bad, or if most aren't just par for course.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

What is so damning in the emails though?

There was nothing in the emails that ever lead to anything illegal, immoral, unethical or otherwise.

I dont know about legality. The rest i'd disagree with. The DNC is supposed to be neutral and from the emails some of them at least clearly were not.

I dont even think it matters though. The point is if there is anything negative that cost Clinton the election, that is on the negative contents and not the Russians. Go after Russia for illegal hacking if that is the case, but don't blame them for putting Trump into the office unless they had a hand in directly altering the vote.

 

[Xe4]

I agree. If the DNC wasn't corrupt, these emails would've amounted to nothing.

And I read a great comment the other day. The emails just helped the Democrats deliver on their main goal which was transparency.

The DNC wasn't corrupt. They didn't have problems from time to time, but the emails were made to show an appearance of corruption, not actual corruption.

 

[BruceCLea]

This is about the fundamental meaning of our democracy. It's not about Republicans or Democrats. It's about the ability to shape our government how we want. People fight for this right, they suffer, they fucking DIE for this right. This is what America is founded upon. Any undermining, any willful, blissful ignorance of an intelligence attack is the tip of the iceberg and must be stomped out with absolute conviction.

This is utterly terrifying. Wake the FUCK UP

 

[SerAardvark]

The very first point out of the 100 is already completely wrong. Private server and private e-mail address are two separate things.

The site cites a Project Veritas (i.e. serial liar James O'Keefe) video as evidence and blatantly takes comments out of context (i.e. the open borders comment).

That this sort of stuff influenced people is more of a sign of the inability to think critically than anything else.

Hell, look at #6, about how Hillary's campaign supposedly wants "unaware and compliant" citizens. If you read the actual email, the sender (Bill Ivey)'s tone is completely different.

Well, we all thought the big problem for our US democracy was Citizens United/Koch Brothers big money in politics. Silly us; turns out that money isn't all that important if you can conflate entertainment with the electoral process. Trump masters TV, TV so-called news picks up and repeats and repeats to death this opinionated blowhard and his hairbrained ideas, free-floating discontent attaches to a seeming strongman and we're off and running.

Secretary Clinton is not an entertainer, and not a celebrity in the Trump, Kardashian mold; what can she do to offset this? I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.

Snopes also has something specifically about that email: http://www.snopes.com/clinton-compliant-citizenry/

But yeah, anything that disagrees with that must be a "CTR-level shitpost"

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Yeah....number 5 directly links to the Project Veritas video as undisputed proof. This site reads more like an interpretation of the emails with a lot of missing pieces thrown in.

Almost sounds like that "Fake news" thing I keep hearing about.

 

[Ryuuroden]

Assuming that they do as the Russians did and release internal emails of the Republicans, wouldn't that simply give us fully transparent elections? We'd know how shitty our two party system truly is.

Yeah we saw how far not being a shitty person goes. Look at Obama and how he dealt with Republican obstruction. I am perfectly ok with Dems being dirty as fuck as its going to be the only way to deal with the erosion of democracy by Republicans. Just look at North Carolina and Michigan and Wisconsin.

 

[kcp12304]

Here you go: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

Now you can disagree, but the reality is a significant population of america found these e-mails damaging. You can keep saying "lol the emails had nothing" but that doesn't make it true. That CTR-tier shitpost doesn't fly.

This was made by an r_donald user. Looking at the conclusions and the actual emails show disparity.

 

[capitalCORN]

Yeah we saw how far not being a shitty person goes. Look at Obama and how he dealt with Republican obstruction. I am perfectly ok with Dems being dirty as fuck as its going to be the only way to deal with the erosion of democracy by Republicans. Just look at North Carolina and Michigan and Wisconsin.

As a militant left, I would welcome a tooth and nail approach.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

The site cites a Project Veritas (i.e. serial liar James O'Keefe) video as evidence and blatantly takes comments out of context (i.e. the open borders comment).

That this sort of stuff influenced people is more of a sign of the inability to think critically than anything else.

Luckily, the person who posted it will not care or contemplate about any of this, they will just keep doing what they're doing.

 

[collige]

Here you go: http://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/

Now you can disagree, but the reality is a significant population of america found these e-mails damaging. You can keep saying "lol the emails had nothing" but that doesn't make it true. That CTR-tier shitpost doesn't fly.

Most people didn't actually read the emails themselves to try and figure out what they meant. They read biased summaries and misrepresentations of them like the trite you just linked.

© 2016 by /u/LegendaryAmerican on Reddit

Embarassing

 

[RustyNails]

I dont know about legality. The rest i'd disagree with. The DNC is supposed to be neutral and from the emails some of them at least clearly were not. I dont even think it matters though.

The point is if there is anything negative that cost Clinton the election, that is on the negative contents and not the Russians.

DNC is a private organization. John Podesta is a private citizen. Why are you all giddy about looking at their emails and drawing conclusions from them? They were making sausage. Some members expressed bias toward Clinton. In the end, Sanders cost himself the black vote and lost the primary, not because some people inside the DNC were biased against him. Hillary did not deserve to be burdened with the Russian hack. Neither does Sanders or Trump or whoever the fuck wants to run for the highest office.

 

[benjipwns]

its funny that Hillary and the DNC are crying about the possibility of Russian hackers influencing the election.. the same person that was was recorded saying that a Palestinian vote should have only occurred if we were able to rig the election for the Palestinian Authority..

In fairness, the State Department also gave grants to a group that campaigned against Bibi in the Israeli elections.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

honestly if the e-mails weren't so damaging why did the chairman step down and then another Dem. get booted off CNN?

I'm not saying these e-mails are bombshells, but come on. We should really look into these e-mails and the hackers. Nobody is innocent here. The democrats aren't poor victims, and neither are the Russians.

 

[Wallach]

This is about the fundamental meaning of our democracy. It's not about Republicans or Democrats. It's about the ability to shape our government how we want. People fight for this right, they suffer, they fucking DIE for this right. This is what America is founded upon. Any undermining, any willful, blissful ignorance of an intelligence attack is the tip of the iceberg and must be stomped out with absolute conviction.

This is utterly terrifying. Wake the FUCK UP

Just the end result of decades of rhetorical tactics to make politics into a fucking team sport where people care about "their side" winning instead of trying to make the government representative of the people of this country.

This country just elected a dude who can't wait to put a price on American influence. If you thought America had corporate overlords before, you haven't seen shit.

 

[Bossking]

Most people didn't actually read the emails themselves to try and figure out what they meant. They read biased summaries and misrepresentations of them like the trite you just linked.



Embarassing

Gee, I wonder what could've led these people to perceive that the contents of the email were far more damaging than they really were. Who could've put in these ideas in the first place?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

The site cites a Project Veritas (i.e. serial liar James O'Keefe) video as evidence and blatantly takes comments out of context (i.e. the open borders comment).

That this sort of stuff influenced people is more of a sign of the inability to think critically than anything else.

See, that's another layer to this political turn sandwich, with evil fucks like O'Keefe being something only Republicans have in their back pockets. Democrats are really up against it.

 

[benjipwns]

honestly if the e-mails weren't so damaging why did the chairman step down and then another Dem. get booted off CNN?

Donna Brazile, if you're talking about her, had already left CNN to become the replacement chair. Then her contract wasn't renewed after the election.

Possibly because they saw her interviews as DNC chair. (I'm assuming CNN executives are like everyone else and don't watch CNN.)

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

See, that's another layer to this political turn sandwich, with evil fucks like O'Keefe being something only Republicans have in their back pockets. Democrats are really up against it.

Democrats have their own shysters, they just aren't as effective. Though Jill Stein's smash and grab donation plea for a recount may serve as a model. Also, Michael Moore and his crappy films.

 

[DarthWoo]

honestly if the e-mails weren't so damaging why did the chairman step down and then another Dem. get booted off CNN?

I'm not saying these e-mails are bombshells, but come on. We should really look into these e-mails and the hackers. Nobody is innocent here. The democrats aren't poor victims, and neither are the Russians.

If the videos weren't so damaging, why did Shirley Sherrod get fired and ACORN shut down?

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

This is about the fundamental meaning of our democracy. It's not about Republicans or Democrats. It's about the ability to shape our government how we want. People fight for this right, they suffer, they fucking DIE for this right. This is what America is founded upon. Any undermining, any willful, blissful ignorance of an intelligence attack is the tip of the iceberg and must be stomped out with absolute conviction.

This is utterly terrifying. Wake the FUCK UP

IMO you are the one who needs to wake the fuck up and stop drinking the kool aid. Remember the WMD and how we just had to attack or else? This is like that in that we do not even (afaik) have any proof that Russia hacked these emails to begin with.

 

[King Tubby]

My point is, so what? As long as we're dealing with facts, the source of any information should not be the main issue here.

Ask yourself why an enemy foreign power would want to help a specific candidate to ascend to the highest office in the land.

IMO you are the one who needs to wake the fuck up and stop drinking the kool aid. Remember the WMD and how we just had to attack or else? This is like that in that we do not even (afaik) have any proof that Russia hacked these emails to begin with.

What proof are you looking for exactly?

 

[royalan]

This is about the fundamental meaning of our democracy. It's not about Republicans or Democrats. It's about the ability to shape our government how we want. People fight for this right, they suffer, they fucking DIE for this right. This is what America is founded upon. Any undermining, any willful, blissful ignorance of an intelligence attack is the tip of the iceberg and must be stomped out with absolute conviction.

This is utterly terrifying. Wake the FUCK UP

Yep.

 

[BasicMath]

Most people didn't actually read the emails themselves to try and figure out what they meant. They read biased summaries and misrepresentations of them like the trite you just linked.



Embarassing

I think the idea that they were a significant factor in the Dems losing is laughable. But they weren't completely full of nothing. The Dems had to bring out a scapegoat (DWS) for the public and then immediately give her another position. It's honestly a hassle and it wouldn't have been done had those emails not been released.

But yeah, most people didn't read the emails and didn't even know what they had in them since it wasn't covered all that much. Trump/Hillary Campaign just gave the media too much Trump material to work with.

 

[Bossking]

IMO you are the one who needs to wake the fuck up and stop drinking the kool aid. Remember the WMD and how we just had to attack or else? This is like that in that we do not even (afaik) have any proof that Russia hacked these emails to begin with.

Except the CIA outright stated that they had no evidence that WMDs were in the middle-east. But the CIA, FBI, and every other intelligence agency in America believes that Russia attacked the DNC and influenced our election.

 

[Stinkles]

Still upset about Sanders losing the primary, huh champ? Maybe we can toss the ball around later and talk about those feelings.

Yay I can't wait for us all to unite and show discipline by the midterms! Yay. That way even if we get donged on we can blame it on spectra of purity! Yay


Also I think the "cia and" diversion is copy pasta level gRbage.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

What proof are you looking for exactly?

Only a confession from Putin himself will do. Some people in this country believe him more than their own American intelligence community.

 

[Atom Heart Mother]

If the videos weren't so damaging, why did Shirley Sherrod get fired and ACORN shut down?

no idea what that is lmao

 

[Malfunky]

Putin sucks, but he's definitely a bogeyman for the Democrats right now. The opposition to the fascist regime has decided that their best course of action is to drift further rightward and embrace imperialistic Russophobic Cold War hysteria. Putin is evil and Russia is the enemy. Nevermind the fact that we and NATO continuously antagonize and undermine him. Now, before anyone claims I'm on his side, as members of the Manichean cult of American/Western exceptionalism are ready to do, or that I respect him in the slightest: I don't. The point is that these things don't happen in a vacuum and no power is innocent here, least of all the United States. Our country does not stand anywhere near the moral high ground to denounce such behavior.

And now they're doing what the liberal establishment has always done which is demean the radical and progressive left as a way to mask their own complicity. We're all Trump supporters, or we require "purity tests". Because there can be no alternative to their monopoly built on fear.

It wasn’t the Russians who told the Democratic Party to abandon the working-class people of all races who used to form its electoral base. It wasn’t the Russians who decided to run a presidential campaign that offered people nothing but blackmail—“vote for us or Dangerous Donald wins.” The Russians didn’t come up with awful tin-eared catchphrases like “I’m with her” or “America is already great.” The Russians never ordered the DNC to run one of the most widely despised people in the country, simply because she thought it was her turn. The Democrats did that all by themselves.

Had Clinton won, this hacking debacle would be a footnote in post-election coverage. It would have been another farce to laugh at in Trump's failed and desperate campaign. Instead of laughing, of course, we spent days and nights crying over the results. I personally had to drive myself home in a state of sheer panic that night. And now I'm watching my comrades turn into hysterical, hyper uncritical reactionaries.

In any case, it just wasn't important until someone needed to explain the election away as outside influence rather than vast internal failure of the American system. The Obama administration's handling of the situation proves that. "A potential cyber war with Russia wasn't worth it" .. until Trump won.

Until the evidence is made public, which I keep being told is "being kept secret for a reason", taking information at face value from intelligence agencies, anonymous or not, whose industry is espionage and whose methods are propaganda, is both naive and dangerous. Our reaction right now is not at all justified.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Except the CIA outright stated that they had no evidence that WMDs were in the middle-east. But the CIA, FBI, and every other intelligence agency in America believes that Russia attacked the DNC and influenced our election.

Great if they do in fact have the proof, then I hope they deal with it in a proper manner. I can say I believe this or that or anything, that alone doesn't make it reality. Be careful what you're buying.

 

[leroidys]

They also likely funded many shitposting and fake news propaganda articles.