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[Brobzoid]

That's what Sonic's about yoooo.
Or at least that's what Sonic fans cried for when they gave Sonic a sword and a werewolf.


Wow :lol :lol :lol you must be a riot at parties.

1) 'sonic fans' isn't a hive-mind. There are 'sonic fans' who loved the bestiality of 06.

2) Yes, every time someone at a party mentions their love for Sonic Adventure 2 I turn off the music and proceed to inform everyone present of the folly of such an opinion.

 

[Dogenzaka]

Get out.

Sonic boom?
Am I cool yet?

2) Yes, every time someone at a party mentions their love for Sonic Adventure 2 I turn off the music and proceed to inform everyone present of the folly of such an opinion.

The fact that you compared SA2 to Bubsy 3D alone makes you crazy in my opinion.

 

[Brobzoid]

The fact that you compared SA2 to Bubsy 3D alone makes you crazy in my opinion.

If your favorite sonic game was Adventure 2 you would've considered that comparison complimentary.

 

[Dogenzaka]

If your favorite sonic game was Adventure 2 you would've considered that comparison complimentary.

I consider the comparison of this:

to this:

to meaning you're acting like a troll with a desperate need of an optometrist after those nostalgia glasses have clearly muddled your vision.

 

[Dogenzaka]

God Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are such shit.

Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 are such shit.

I can do it too.

 

[WillyFive]

God Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are such shit.

You must hate good Sonic games.

 

[Brobzoid]

When you do meth everything gets fancy textures so I fail to see the difference other than Bubsy being dressed (although provocatively enough for the modern sonic fan-base).

 

[Dogenzaka]

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 suck because they have crappy controls, stupid hub worlds, stories that take themselves semi-seriously, crappy friend levels that are required to beat them, horrible (or complete absence of physics); an over emphasis on presentation, speed and cool angles more so than actual platforming and good level design; and collision so bad it's not even worth playing. I can go on, but that Green Forest level that was posted is everything that is wrong with modern Sonic.

I can defend my position.

What's yours?

Even Sonic 2, despite being the most overrated game in the series, is still a legitimately great game.

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 are trash, especially 10 years after the fact.

You can defend your opinions with opinions. Okay?

Sonic 1 and 2 have an absolutely pitiful and laughable story, and pretty tiresome and a blatant lack of variety in gameplay and design (unlike SA2). It's disappointing. No real reason to even finish the games unless you want more repetitive gameplay design and running through loops.

I find SA2 to have a lot of problems with physics, collision and bad fall-deaths, but at the very least it provided a much needed breath of variety into the series with pretty decent Tails/Eggman missions and Knuckles/Rouge missions. The plot was interesting, and in fact sad when Shadow died (and they should have kept it that way).

Congratulations? You can subjectively defend your opinion, as can I.

I never had a problem with you.

Brobazoid making baseless troll-like comparisons like Bubsy 3D to SA2 without even stating why was whom I was speaking about.

 

[Sanic]

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 aren't half bad. Always preferred 2 myself. Haven't played either since they came out though.

 

[Dogenzaka]

You must be 12 years old.

Yeah more like 19 and I still have my Genesis and original Sonic games.
Assumptions lol.

 

[Brobzoid]

Brobazoid making baseless troll-like comparisons like Bubsy 3D to SA2 without even stating why was whom I was speaking about.

:3 thank you for editing in my name, it shows that you care.

But really, I did explain my position on why I dislike Adventure 2. It was in fact right before the part where I compared it to Bubsy on certain drugs for effect.

If you are having a hard time understanding why I compared the two I'll try to explain it. When you watch a movie and say it was dog shit you don't literally mean that the film was the by product of a dog's digestive system. Much like how Adventure 2 isn't as bad as Bubsy 3D, but the pedigree and expectations that came with their respective names factors in to a person's appreciation and enjoyment. Bubsy was always a series that seemed like it was made by a team of uneducated children, while Sonic was, at a point, a competently built game series.

Can you dig it?

 

[Dogenzaka]

:3 thank you for editing in my name, it shows that you care.

But really, I did explain my position on why I dislike Adventure 2. It was in fact right before the part where I compared it to Bubsy on certain drugs for effect.

If you are having a hard time understanding why I compared the two I'll try to explain it. When you watch a movie and say it was dog shit you don't literally mean that the film was the by product of a dog's digestive system. Much like how Adventure 2 isn't as bad as Bubsy 3D, but the pedigree and expectations that came with their respective names factors in to a person's appreciation and enjoyment. Bubsy was always a series that seemed like it was made by a team of uneducated children, while Sonic was, at a point, a competently built game series.

Can you dig it?

Thank you for explaining. You're excused.

Yeah I edited in your name because when I posted it I couldn't remember your name lol.

 

[Ten-Song]

I had fun with Adventure 1 and 2 when they were all sparkly and new... but really, those games are pretty much shit. The story in both games makes me want to gouge out my eyes, and playing as anyone other than Sonic is tiresome and frustrating and stupid.

I'm not sure which is the biggest offender though... Adventure 2, for not having NEARLY enough levels with Sonic and Shadow, or Adventure 1, for having Amy Rose and Big the Cat?

Either way, I can still play the Genesis games to this day and have fun. If I were attempt to do the same with Adventure 1 and 2, I would end up turning the games off very quickly thinking "well... that was a thing."

 

[Dogenzaka]

I had fun with Adventure 1 and 2 when they were all sparkly and new... but really, those games are pretty much shit. The story in both games makes me want to gouge out my eyes, and playing as anyone other than Sonic is tiresome and frustrating and stupid.

I'm not sure which is the biggest offender though... Adventure 2, for not having NEARLY enough levels with Sonic and Shadow, or Adventure 1, for having Amy Rose and Big the Cat?

Either way, I can still play the Genesis games to this day and have fun. If I were attempt to do the same with Adventure 1 and 2, I would end up turning the games off very quickly thinking "well... that was a thing."

Oh my gosh the Amy levels were terrible in my opinion. I mean they were kind of fun, but I absolutely HATED the idea of being "chased". What on earth?

Big's fishing stuff was interesting as something totally separate from a Sonic game, though, I think.

 

[Alex Connolly]

I'm not a particularly huge Sonic fan, but I certainly enjoyed the ones I played. Namely, Sonic 1 on SMS, Sonic CD, Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic Adventure. I liked 'em all.

 

[Scythesurge]

Finally got around to watching the Sonic 4 trailer...and it looks kinda awesome. Though there are small details that make me a little worried, but it's too early to start talking about them. Sonic 3 & Knuckles is incredible.

 

[Deku]

and another sonic thread goes down in flames thanks to the 3-D era Sonic games.

 

[Aaron Strife]

City Escape was so boss. Those lyrics will forever be ingrained in my memory.

Sonic Adventure 2 is probably the last Sonic game I hold any nostalgia for (I was 9 when it was released), and it actually does a lot of cool stuff with the trick system and some of the level ideas like Crazy Gadget, but looking back now it just feels like they sort of phoned it in for Sonic's game, where all their effort went into Tails and Knuckles' stuff.

 

[Dogenzaka]

and another sonic thread goes down in flames thanks to the 3-D era Sonic games.

OMG DRAMAAAAAAAAAA.

Please get over yourself. It's called healthy discussion.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I find Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 to have a lot of problems with physics, collision and bad fall-deaths, but at the very least it provided a much needed breath of variety into the series with the Silver/Shadow storylines, the super speed segments and additional friend missions. So much more variety than just Sonic Adventure 2, with better graphics and a hub world! SA2 had you just go from stage to stage without any connection to where you were going. The plot was interesting, and in fact sad when they reversed time and Elise never met Sonic. Basically it was like Sonic Adventure but better. Fitting for title "Sonic the Hedgehog".

 

[Alphahawk]

I actually liked Sonic Adventure 1 a lot. Sonic Adventure 2 was also a pretty good game but with more obvious flaws. I liked the fact that in these games Robotnik (or :Shudder: Eggman) Took a back seat as the main villan so that other storys could be told (Sonic Adventure 2 probably went the farthest with this concept as you never know who the real villan is until close to the final boss) I thought the whole Tikail stuff was handled really well in Adventure 1 also....

 

[Dogenzaka]

I find Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 to have a lot of problems with physics, collision and bad fall-deaths, but at the very least it provided a much needed breath of variety into the series with the Silver/Shadow storylines, the super speed segments and additional friend missions. So much more variety than just Sonic Adventure 2, with better graphics and a hub world! SA2 had you just go from stage to stage without any connection to where you were going. The plot was interesting, and in fact sad when they reversed time and Elise never met Sonic. Basically it was like Sonic Adventure but better. Fitting for title "Sonic the Hedgehog".

 

[Ten-Song]

I find Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 to have a lot of problems with physics, collision and bad fall-deaths, but at the very least it provided a much needed breath of variety into the series with the Silver/Shadow storylines, the super speed segments and additional friend missions. So much more variety than just Sonic Adventure 2, with better graphics and a hub world! SA2 had you just go from stage to stage without any connection to where you were going. The plot was interesting, and in fact sad when they reversed time and Elise never met Sonic. Basically it was like Sonic Adventure but better. Fitting for title "Sonic the Hedgehog".

 

[DryEyeRelief]

 

[Aaron Strife]

I nerdgasmed so hard at this as a kid before I even knew what an orgasm was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1TVMPmzwLk This too.

And the demo with City Escape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybdEXBWaRLc

THIS is what sold me on Phantasy Star Online (which was good in itself). And cursing in a Sonic game!

e: If this game got an XBLA release I'd probably play the shit out of it even though I feel from an objective standpoint that it's a horrible awful game.

 

[Brobzoid]

:lol huelen got back in fast huh?

 

[WillyFive]

To be fair, that was jaw droppingly awesome back in 2000. And it was for the remainder of Sonic Adventure 2.

 

[Grooveraider]

Besides the original on Genesis, I had a great time with the Japan import of Sonic CD
complete with its hip soundtrack. Its a shame the U.S. version didn't sound all that great
and the awful Sega CD packaging. Plus i'll never forget the first encounter of Sonic Adventure when I imported the Dreamcast.

 

[FormallyMegadrive]

I have to admit though, Sonic & Knuckles had a badass logo

I'm getting that tattooed on my forearm at some point in the near future.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

:lol huelen got back in fast huh?

That's a bad comparison. Even Huelen didn't acknowledge Sonic 2006.

 

[[Nintex]]

You can defend your opinions with opinions. Okay?

Sonic 1 and 2 have an absolutely pitiful and laughable story, and pretty tiresome and a blatant lack of variety in gameplay and design (unlike SA2). It's disappointing. No real reason to even finish the games unless you want more repetitive gameplay design and running through loops.

WAT

Sonic 1 and 2 both added new mechanics in pretty much every level. The springboards in Hill Top Zone, the switches in the Mystic caves etc. and the recently posted shortcut videos just shows how brilliant the design is. The graphics are great, colorful and very detailed. Repetitive gameplay is lock-on jumping on everything hoping that you don't end up falling to your doom.

I find SA2 to have a lot of problems with physics, collision and bad fall-deaths, but at the very least it provided a much needed breath of variety into the series with pretty decent Tails/Eggman missions and Knuckles/Rouge missions. The plot was interesting, and in fact sad when Shadow died (and they should have kept it that way).

The plot wasn't interesting... the plot was stupid. "Oh Knuckles I'm actually a bat working for the CIA? Why the hell would the CIA employ a fucking furry bat? They Sonic I hate you, no wait I actually don't you're a cool guy and you can run just as fast as I do... wow, maybe I'm not the ultimate being after all and I can star in my own shitty game soon." The variety only added more shit that watered down the game. If SEGA threw out all the shit including 'goin down on Pumpkin hill I don't luv u' and "BEEP BEEP BEEP" I'm looking on to this robots standing in my way or something, exchanged all that for 2 or 3 more Sonic Action stages the game would've been better.

Brobazoid making baseless troll-like comparisons like Bubsy 3D to SA2 without even stating why was whom I was speaking about.

In theory Sonic Adventure 2 is an unplayable mess, somehow someone managed to make it halfway decent.

:lol huelen got back in fast huh?

The mods were too late, the disease is spreading

 

[Yoshi]

I've decided to make one of those Hell-to-Heaven pictures Mama Robotnik started to make. I think this is an easy way to state ones' preferences regarding Sonic games best:

I have a feeling that I might be one of the few who like classic Sonic and new Sonic alike and even thinks that the faster speed in 3D Sonic games is a natural evolution of the Mega Drive concept. This doesn't make the bunch of aweful games less aweful though.

EDIT: Haven't played GBA Sonic the Hedgehog and Sonic 3D for Saturn, so I can't judge on them.

 

[Kentpaul]

Sonic games were always for that kid who never had a snes,

Spoiler

Sonic 2 is the way to go

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Sonic games were always for that kid who never had a snes,

Spoiler

Sonic 2 is the way to go

I remember a survey in the US (I even think it was done by Sony?) during the SNES/Genesis heyday that showed that kids were reluctant to admit that they owned a SNES rather than a Genesis :lol

Sonic 2 is awesome.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

That's what Sonic's about yoooo.

Wow :lol :lol :lol you must be a riot at parties.

Sonic boom?
Am I cool yet?

Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 are such shit.

I can do it too.

Sonic 1 and 2 have an absolutely pitiful and laughable story, and pretty tiresome and a blatant lack of variety in gameplay and design (unlike SA2). It's disappointing. No real reason to even finish the games unless you want more repetitive gameplay design and running through loops.

I find SA2 to have a lot of problems with physics, collision and bad fall-deaths, but at the very least it provided a much needed breath of variety into the series with pretty decent Tails/Eggman missions and Knuckles/Rouge missions. The plot was interesting, and in fact sad when Shadow died (and they should have kept it that way).

What the fuck is Dogenzaka doing in this thread trolling the shit out of games that you "HOLD RIGHT TO WIN"? How did such blatant trolls as juniors survive the usual trials of fire and not get banned along the way? I am disappoint.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

The only thing that I truely hate about being a PAL gamer is the slow as shit 50hz version of Sonic 1. Sonic 2 and 3 were fine but Sonic 1 was such a hack job in PAL land. I'm curious, did SEGA ever re-release it on Mega Drive with the proper music speed?

I think the Sonic Classic collection (or whatever it was called, came out 1995-ish with, Sonic 1, 2 and Puyo Pu Dr. Robotniks Mean Bean Machine all on one cartridge) might have restored the sonic 1 music speed. I'll try and check sometime later (if someone else doesn't find the answer first)

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

That's what Sonic's about yoooo.
Or at least that's what Sonic fans cried for when they gave Sonic a sword and a werewolf

Didn't we just go over this in the Sonic 4 thread before the villagers started getting their torches and pitchforks out?

 

[Lijik]

I consider the comparison of this:

to this:

to meaning you're acting like a troll with a desperate need of an optometrist after those nostalgia glasses have clearly muddled your vision.

You're right, we shouldn't be so harsh on Bubsy 3D.
At least you could explore the stages.

 

[Gattsu25]

Man SA2B had some TERRIBLE glitches and cheap-deaths, but it had the fastest Sonic levels to date, with some incredible loops and eye spectacles for running.

That's what you look for in sonic games, then? You're just as bad as modern day Sonic Team or SNES fans commenting on Sonic

 

[APZonerunner]

I'd actually say that while Sonic 2006 was fucking dire, the Sonic/Silver/Shadow setup was quite a good idea if it'd been executed by a team who could make a decent game. They were similar but different enough in play styles, and if done right you could basically get a Speed-based platformer, Action/Shooting based Platformer (think Ratchet) and Puzzle based platformer in one game.

Three characters for three gameplay modes. It was a good idea. Unforuntately it was just executed with all the sloppiness of the first shite after a curry.

 

[WillyFive]

You're right, we shouldn't be so harsh on Bubsy 3D.
At least you could explore the stages.

It's not a 2D Sonic game. There are actual things to see when you stop and look around.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

It's not a 2D Sonic game. There are actual things to see when you stop and look around.

My favorite thing to do when exploring the space stages in sa2 was to rotate to analog stick. That way me falling to my death would produce a wonderful fire spiral.

 

[wRATH2x]

It's not a 2D Sonic game. There are actual things to see when you stop and look around.

Wow look, its either water or the sky!

 

[Brobzoid]

3D sonic is awesome.

 

[wRATH2x]

No

 

[Brobzoid]

Why u gotta hate Wrath?

 

[wRATH2x]

Cuz I iz hater

 

[steveovig]

I think with the 3D Sonics, you kinda have to take them with a grain of salt. They don't really resemble the Genesis games much and they did throw in a million new character buddies, but they still have some fun segments to them. They can be fun in small doses. I actually really like Sonic Unleashed for the PS3. It seems to compound plenty of game ideas into the wonderful Day levels and it's pretty solid. The Werehog stuff is uninspired but playable and throw in trophies/achievements and you've got a fun experience. I've already put in a ton of hours into it and I'm still having fun. Also, Sonic Rivals (PSP) was even better with good level design that was short but sweet.

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

Topic lifecycle reached Sonic fanworks shit and trolling of the old 2d games by crazy people.

Attempting CPR in form of Sonic CD hidden animation:

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Don't badmouth Sega's extra offerings in the 3d games. Just like any other developer, Sonic Team has great wishes to expand the series' mechanics beyond Sonic running. If they were just cheap ways of extending the game's playtime, ignoring what people really want, then they would just appear in one or two games and never return. Instead we can see that their offerings have positively affected the 3D Sonic games in their future iterations. For example, the skills I built up fishing with Big the Cat in Sonic Adventure and playing a crappy shooter as Eggman in SA2 helped me to transition into a future title like Sonic and the Secret Rings.