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[grandjedi6]

i actually like carter. he did broker a peace deal and end a 20+ year war between israel and egypt. he is a much better president than he gets credit for.

I liked Carter also, he's the only President we've had in a long time who actually did something to help the world after his Presidency.

I kinda with Carter would endorse someone just to mess things around. Though his son did endorse Obama. It's kinda funny when you think of the fact that Carter is actually a Superdelegate and thus must go to the convention every 4 years

 

[ArtG]

the hillary hate around here is crazy. :lol

It's well deserved.

 

[Incognito]

From TPM via AP:

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

 

[smurfx]

lol the yahoo front page keeps changing the headline for the race. first it was obama beats clinton in sc and then it was obama beats hilary by landslide in sc and now it's obama cruises to victory in sc. :lol

 

[topsyturvy]

The best thing that seems to have happened out of tonight is a clear referendum on the Clinton campaign. As Russie said, 20% of black voters are saying they'd be disappointed if Clinton won the nom. Which is a significant and potentially disastrous number for her in November if she ends up winning the primaries.

This is just SC polls. :/

 

[grandjedi6]

The best thing that seems to have happened out of tonight is a clear referendum on the Clinton campaign. As Russie said, 20% of black voters are saying they'd be disappointed if Clinton won the nom. Which is a significant and potentially disastrous number for her in November if she ends up winning the primaries.

There isn't any evidence of this happening though. The majority of Blacks went back to the nominee even when Jackson and Sharpton lost, and they'll do the same if Hillary wins.

 

[Particle Physicist]

the hillary hate around here is crazy. :lol

admittedly, i havent read every single post in this thread. but. can you point to all the crazy hate being posted here? help me out a bit.

 

[scorcho]

shorthand from clinton team: we never attempted to make this an issue about race, but the truth is Obama is black.

 

[ArtG]

From TPM via AP:

Yeah, fuck you Clinton.
Your tag as being a bitch hurts you everywhere.
Die in a fire.

 

[grandjedi6]

From TPM via AP:

Alot of political analysts have pointed out that Hillary purposely started the race war and is trying to trap Obama

 

[topsyturvy]

admittedly, i havent read every single post in this thread. but. can you point to all the crazy hate being posted here? help me out a bit.

its pretty damn obvious.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

There isn't any evidence of this happening though. The majority of Blacks went back to the nominee even when Jackson and Sharpton lost, and they'll do the same if Hillary wins.

How is an Exit Poll with that specific information not evidence?

Anyway. I'm enjoying MSNBC right now.

 

[avaya]

It's easy for the Clinton campaign to spin this loss.

However the magnitude of it should certainly tighten up the polls on Feb 5th.

 

[inner-G]

Plus as Kittonwy says, the Clinton campaign will probably get even more aggressive not less.

True, with Obama ahead in delegates before tonight even, she can't really afford to leave things as they are.

People have really negative reactions to Hillary when she goes negative though... it will be interesting, no doubt.

 

[thekad]

From TPM via AP:

:lol

We didn't intentionally stir up the race issue, but it worked.

 

[grandjedi6]

Yeah, fuck you Clinton.
Your tag as being a bitch hurts you everywhere.
Die in a fire.

Pathetic, Don't make such hateful comments just because you support a different candidate

 

[Chichikov]

Anyway. I'm enjoying MSNBC right now.

It's like watching a bunch of manic-depressives talk politics.
Good times.

 

[Particle Physicist]

its pretty damn obvious.

point to it please. and that nasty ArtG post doesnt count. he posted way after your comment.

 

[Keylime]

its pretty damn obvious.

I hate Clinton right now due to her campaign tactics. She's playing dirty all over the place, and I'm not going to just go "oh well, that's politics."

I would hate her even if she was male.

 

[avaya]

True, with Obama ahead in delegates before tonight even, she can't really afford to leave things as they are.

People have really negative reactions to Hillary when she goes negative though... it will be interesting, no doubt.

Check your numbers, she was 100 ahead before SC. However that is a nothing lead in a race to 2,025.

 

[grandjedi6]

How is an Exit Poll with that specific information not evidence?

Anyway. I'm enjoying MSNBC right now.

They will still vote for her if she gets the nomination. Even if Blacks only view it as a Lesser of 2 evils

 

[scorcho]

True, with Obama ahead in delegates before tonight even, she can't really afford to leave things as they are.

People have really negative reactions to Hillary when she goes negative though... it will be interesting, no doubt.

i doubt her team is worried that much - Clinton has California and New York in the bank and at this point seems much more likely to cull Super Delegates than Obama.

 

[grandjedi6]

True, with Obama ahead in delegates before tonight even, she can't really afford to leave things as they are.

People have really negative reactions to Hillary when she goes negative though... it will be interesting, no doubt.

Obama was only ahead in estimated pledged delegates. When you add in endorsing superdelegates, HIllary has the clear lead. Hillary has never been behind Obama

 

[topsyturvy]

point to it please. and that nasty ArtG post doesnt count. he posted way after your comment.

point to what? are you trying to tell me that the posters on gaf doesn't call her bitch or say that the world would implode if she gets the nod? Its obvious the majority of gaf dislike hillary clinton.

 

[Kittonwy]

True, with Obama ahead in delegates before tonight even, she can't really afford to leave things as they are.

People have really negative reactions to Hillary when she goes negative though... it will be interesting, no doubt.

They just have to get more crafty with the attack ads, let the ads do the attacking, let the ads do their job by inflicting the damage, but speak only on your own agendas in public, let Bill do the evangelizing instead of attacking, during campaigning keep things on a positive note.

 

[Mandark]

From TPM via AP:

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

*slams head on desk*

 

[ArtG]

Pathetic, Don't make such hateful comments just because you support a different candidate

Oh, I'm sorry. Using 250 years of American racism to try and win an election is perfectly honorable behavior. She deserves my respect for that--I apologize!

 

[inner-G]

Obama was only ahead in estimated pledged delegates. When you add in endorsing superdelegates, Hillary has the clear lead. Hillary has never been behind Obama

Indeed, I should have clarified I meant delegates from the caucuses/primaries.

 

[avaya]

Oh, I'm sorry. Using 250 years of American racism to try and win an election is perfectly honorable behavior. She deserves my respect for that--I apologize!

what?

 

[KilledByBill]

They will still vote for her if she gets the nomination. Even if Blacks only view it as a Lesser of 2 evils

The point is not them potentially voting Republican but rather significant numbers just staying home on Nov. 7 all together.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The point is not them potentially voting Republican but rather significant numbers just staying home on Nov. 7 all together.

Yep.

 

[DEO3]

Wait, did Bill just give his wife's concession speech?

 

[ArtG]

what?

"Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South."

Words, motherfucker. Can you read 'em?

 

[Piper Az]

Streaming MSNBC anywhere?

 

[Kittonwy]

Wait, did Bill just give his wife's concession speech?

I wouldn't call it much of a concession speech.:lol

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Wait, did Bill just give his wife's concession speech?

9:30 PM.

 

[grandjedi6]

The point is not them potentially voting Republican but rather significant numbers just staying home on Nov. 7 all together.

Hmm, interesting argument. I would have to agree that Obama can drive out the black vote far better than Hillary. However, I can't really see much of a change of black voting percentage from 2004 and 2000

 

[topsyturvy]

"Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South."

yea, voters can't see him as the black candidate at all, they need strategists to point that out. Goddamn clintons,etc. etc.

*rollseyes*

 

[Kittonwy]

"Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South."

Words, motherfucker. Can you read 'em?

Dude it's politics. This is serious business, both sides have strategists trying to smear the other side, let's not pretend one side is more "honorable" than the other.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Hmm, interesting argument. I would have to agree that Obama can drive out the black vote far better than Hillary. However, I can't really see much of a change of black voting percentage from 2004 and 2000

I haven't seen specific numbers from SC yet, but this whole campaign Obama has energized an enormous amount of people across all lines who didn't previously vote regularly. If he doesn't win the nod, you'll probably be proven right.

 

[scorcho]

Hmm, interesting argument. I would have to agree that Obama can drive out the black vote far better than Hillary. However, I can't really see much of a change of black voting percentage from 2004 and 2000

well it really depends how successful voter suppression tactics in swing states are. it's a shame that the DOJ isn't stocked with a flood of Voter ID proponents anymore.

 

[soul creator]

Check your numbers, she was 100 ahead before SC. However that is a nothing lead in a race to 2,025.

wasn't that one of those things where Obama actually had more delegates, but Hillary had more delegates+super delegates?

or something.

 

[Lefty42o]

Check your numbers, she was 100 ahead before SC. However that is a nothing lead in a race to 2,025.

ur talking super delegates. and those votes are not cast in stone till the convention. remeber dean?

in normal delegates obama had the lead.

 

[grandjedi6]

wasn't that one of those things where Obama actually had more delegates, but Hillary had more delegates+super delegates?

or something.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226020

 

[Hitokage]

well it really depends how successful voter suppression tactics in swing states are. it's a shame that the DOJ isn't stocked with a flood of Voter ID proponents anymore.

Why is it a shame?

 

[avaya]

"Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South."

Words, motherfucker. Can you read 'em?

I can read them just fine. You’re looking for racism where there isn't any.

There is nothing racist in trying to brand him as a candidate that relies on the African American population to achieve victory, essentially branding him as an image candidate than one without any real substance.

Branding the Clinton's as racist for that is fucking laughable.

However don't think I agree with their strategy, it's absolutely vindictive shit to do on a political level to a leading figure in their own party, a figure who is the future of their party.

 

[scorcho]

Why is it a shame?

sarcasm. it's actually refreshing to think that the DOJ is actually decreasing its overt politicization, though not by much.

 

[ArtG]

yea, voters can't see him as the black candidate at all, they need strategists to point that out.

*rollseyes*

You vastly overestimate the American electorate and vastly underestimate the power of the media.

Christ, when viral e-mails about Obama being a "stealth Muslim candidate" can pick up so much traction, how can you be so confident in the American voter?

 

[grandjedi6]

You vastly overestimate the American electorate and vastly underestimate the power of the media.

Christ, when viral e-mails about Obama being a "stealth Muslim candidate" can pick up so much traction, how can you be so confident in the American voter?

Well those viral emails clearly didn't work, now did they?

 

[topsyturvy]

ur talking super delegates. and those votes are not cast in stone till the convention. remeber dean?

in normal delegates obama had the lead.

Didn't dean lost most of the super delegates because the momentum was clearly towards kerry? Thats not the same with hillary and obama because they will be neck and neck well after super tuesday.