Mario is absolutely up there by recognition. Absolutely.
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The Super Mario Odyssey Trailer Has 8.4 Million Views.....
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Neff
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Nah, that was the good trailer. People went nuts over it.
It was the first showing which had folks disappointed after such a long wait.
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^^ Same trailer. This was the good one
)I'm responsible for at least 20 of those views. That was before I learned that the name of the song is "Jump Up, Super Star!". Then I gave this video another 100 views. And counting.
The dude ripped the trailers straight from the stream and had them up before the official ones. I know when i was looking for the trailer to send to people, it was the first one that showed up.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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It's such a crazy concept, that listening to the people that buy your products instead of purposely doing the exact opposite can actually result in success, who would have guessed /S
It's ridiculous that it's taken this long for Nintendo to start listening to the fanbase that actually buys their games. For a long time people have been asking for a real Metroid and a real 3d Mario game and now that they've finally done so it's somehow considered surprising that people are happy about getting what they've been asking and waiting years for. It's almost as if people actually want what they ask for and don't want you to completely ignore their requests in favor of attempting to surprise them with something they don't know they like yet.
TheDinoman
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Somewhat off-topic, but the beginning of this here Mario 3D World trailer on Nintendo's UK channel is ridiculous, lol. Those faces...
Wii U era marketing, y'all.
Wii U era marketing, y'all.
I do, too. It looked so "safe" for a Mario game, which was particularly bad for the series as it fell into that hole right after Galaxy 2. 3D World got shat on because it was just a console 3D Land.
I think some of the venom that came for Tropic Freeze was a result of this, too.
Jawmuncher
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All thanks to Dino Mario
Swimmer9800
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"Switch is DOA bro!"
Silent_Ocarina
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There's nothing inherently wrong with being derivative. It's only bad because it isn't derivative of the style some fans want (Mario 64/Sunshine).
Obviously fan feedback is important, but I don't think it's accurate to say the creative ideas in Odyssey is mostly a result of listening to fan feedback.
PadWarrior
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The song was perfect! Loved the trailer and love Mario! Glad this game is looking to be a hit. My most anticipated game of the year easily!
EraErr0r1
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It all comes down to the ambition Nintendo has for the game. For me, 3D World and all the NEW SMB titles played it far too safe and felt like the developers were forced to spit them out of a Nintendo Sweatshop Factory from a generic template for the masses.
Odyssey on the other hand feels fresh, imaginative and captures the essense of wonder which I thought would be lost forever. Nintendo seems to be focusing on exploration within their games this generation, and that's a favourite trait of mine.
Nintendo is at their best when they let their creativity wild off the leash and that's what we're witnessing at the moment!
Odyssey on the other hand feels fresh, imaginative and captures the essense of wonder which I thought would be lost forever. Nintendo seems to be focusing on exploration within their games this generation, and that's a favourite trait of mine.
Nintendo is at their best when they let their creativity wild off the leash and that's what we're witnessing at the moment!
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I hear ya, but you know what gets me?
The idea that 3D Mario's imaginative wonder might be lost forever was the source of how much complaining and whataboutism over the last few years?
and simultaneously was not grounded in anything close to reality.
Odyssey is iron-clad proof, but the fact that Super Mario Galaxy 2 even exists in a world where NSMB Wii outsold its predecessor 4:1 should have made it crystal clear that Nintendo wasn't suddenly going to abandon 15 years of polish and design excellence to chase the NSMB crowd.
Using 3D Land and World as proof - games which according to the developers themselves were designed specifically to ease 2D Mario players into comfort with 3D platforming, should have been equally telling.
And a hundred threads filled with contentious arguments later, here we are, in a situation where any of the old whataboutism would sound ridiculous and fall flat due to the existence of Odyssey, a game that would have came with or without it.
It all comes down to what game the developers at Nintendo want to make.
This talk about "being ambitious" is always completely misconstructing how developers make games. Ambition is not defined by how big the game is, neither how much handholding it has and least of all how original it is.
This talk about "being ambitious" is always completely misconstructing how developers make games. Ambition is not defined by how big the game is, neither how much handholding it has and least of all how original it is.
Odeyssy, ya see!
EDIT: Here we are! Straight from Treehouse https://twitter.com/RobertTunstall/status/875566459795025920
What The Forest Taught Me
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Not really much of a surprise though, as Nintendo seems to be giving fans a lot more of what they want this time around.
What The Forest Taught Me
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Bulls-eye!
KatamariOnTheRocks
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It's not about preferences, it's about literal requests from fans.
It's a fact that the majority of Nintendo fans enjoyed Mario 64 and wanted another game in that style. The fact that Nintendo is finally making another game in that style may not be due to the specific requests of fans but fans were requesting it and it is happening now so regardless people are happy that they're finally getting what they've been requesting for 15+ years now.
wonderful103
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Anecdotes are not facts.
When they showed off the chart showing how long its been since a true sequel to Sunshine that was the moment tons of people got really excited.
Nobody wants another Galaxy or 3D World right now. Just like BoTW did for Zelda this is gonna rejuvenate 3D Mario.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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It's factually impossible to prove that every single Nintendo fan ever wants a successor to Mario 64. It's factually possible that a greater number of Nintendo fans would like a successor than would not and that's what I said. That the majority of fans want the successor not every single person, which is a fact.
Niceguydan8
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Then provide facts? You said vast majority, you didn't say every single fan.
You also need to keep in mind that the vast majority of "fans" of Mario probably haven't even heard of NeoGAF, and that enthusiast sites in general are almost certainly not indicative of greater market preferences.
You probably ignored a (likely) large amount of Mario fans that didn't even experience Mario 64 because they weren't alive when it came out.
kunonabi
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The Odyssey trailer and Samus Returns were easily the highlights of E3 for me. If the Mario team really delivers on what they hinted at in the trailer and avoid Botw's mistakes it could be something super special. It's a shame the Kirby and Yoshi games are playing it so safe in comparison.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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It's a fact that the majority of Mario fans want a successor to Mario 64, regardless of whether were talking about the enthusiasts here or just you're average person that plays videogames on occasion.
Hard to play games that haven't been made for over 15 years
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It's a fact that the majority of Mario fans don't even play 3D Mario games.
Good now lets hope it sells good so that new super mario bros dies forever.
Mario Maker should replace nsmb and include a campaign and be the 2d counterpart franchise (or call is NSMB + Mario Maker Switch).
3D Mario is the best especially n64/sunshine like ones (Galaxy is top tier too tho)!
Mario Maker should replace nsmb and include a campaign and be the 2d counterpart franchise (or call is NSMB + Mario Maker Switch).
3D Mario is the best especially n64/sunshine like ones (Galaxy is top tier too tho)!
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Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are 3D Mario games. Super Mario 3D Land and World are 3D Mario games, but let's pretend they're not and just exclude them (I'm not being sarcastic.)
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are the most critically acclaimed games ever made.
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 combined didn't sell half as many copies as New Super Mario Bros. on the Wii.
The majority of Mario fans play 2D Mario games. A large swath of those people can't grok 3D platforming, even despite Nintendo's efforts to make Galaxy 1 as accessible for newcomers as could be. That being the main reason Land and World are the games that they are.
isnt that pretty much what sunshine was. and what odyssey will be. and arguably Galaxy was
Niceguydan8
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Where's the fact though? That's what I'm asking for. You can't just make a statement like that and expect anyone to take you seriously when say it's a "fact" and then don't provide anything to back it up.
The only information we could potentially use is sales. While it's a flawed metric to what you're actually suggesting, it suggests the opposite is the case anyways.
There is nothing wrong with a minority of the overall Mario fanbase really frothing at the lips for a new 3D Mario game. I don't see what is wrong with saying that as opposed to feeling the need to speak for the majority of players that seem to generally indicate that they either prefer 2d/don't care.
From what I've learned these past years is that no one even knows what a 3D Mario even is. This goes for most on GAF especially and they're strict and dumb definitions that don't make any sense.
Captain Europe
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I've come to the conclusion that people will always be saying they want a successor to Mario 64 and nothing will ever satisfy them.
And yeah, Sunshine is basically Mario 64 2.
Didn't you know, If your 3D game has goal poles, timers and an isometric camera, it's not really 3D.
Michael Armbrust
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Here's a graph I made of the views over time. It looks like it'll still get a lot more views.
Neff
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Sunshine -while novel- was too repetitive and undercooked, and Galaxy didn't scratch my SM64 itch at all, being far too linear and sluggish. Both are good games, but SM64 successors they are not imo.
Ironically, the one game you didn't mention is the one which came closest to giving the Mario 64 feeling, and that's 3D World. Mario's movement is brisk and dexterous, and the levels hide a lot of interesting secrets, in addition to an impressive amount of platforming variety. Still essentially a different genre of game, but with enough shared DNA to lead me to believe that a similar approach with a more open-ended structure really could go toe-to-toe with the N64 classic. And by the sound of it, that's what we're getting.
Why is there a Mario vs Mickey Mouse debate going on here? Mickey is still very relevant and heavily pushed to children. He is just rarely pushed to teenagers or adults like Mario is. Heck, I just one hour ago saw a little girl wearing a Minnie Mouse shirt. He has shows that continue to run for very young kids.
They are both popular and recognizable . It's ok.
They are both popular and recognizable . It's ok.