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This is the perfect post.

No it's not. If that's the perfect post let me drop another bombshell on you.

"There should be no war and we should all sup on gooey gumdrops that fall from the yum-yum clouds as we dance around the sugarcane forest."

By the way, I was being sarcastic.

 

[Kapsama]

Pointing out flaws isn't bashing...that is correct. Taking isolated flaws and generalizing them as being the accepted standard of an entire region is, however, the bashing of an ignorant child that doesn't know what he is talking about.

And denial is not just a river in Egypt. If I had said that every Southerner is a unabashed racist, you would have a point. Alas I did not say that, so you do not have a point. All you have is ad hominems and your delusions.

1. The vast majority of the people here wouldn't have anything to do with a Confederate flag and most of them think that those who put those gaudy pieces of shit on their vehicles are white trash.

Vast majority? Hah. I'd bet that at least half of the population is seriously ignorant of "race" relations. You're a prime example.

2. Black kids have never been unfairly charged in the North or West? This is news to me. Since we're shedding crocodile tears over accused crimes, perhaps you'll want to address how "hate crime" tends to get thrown around before motive is even known.

They have, but more often and more severely in the South. But this is not a North Vs South topic, I have already stated that the North has it's own problems. You're just trying to change the topic from racism in the South to comparative racism in different regions of the US.

As for the hate crime label, you're right sometimes it gets thrown out too early and too easily. But it's not justification for hating the entire concept.

3. Locking up a black girl for pushing a white hall monitor sounds less about race and more about assault.

Yes putting a teenage black girl in PRISON for pushing a white hall monitor is about assault.

It's not hard to become hypersensitive and bitter when you're looking for things to throw the race card at. How is spewing vitriol, hatred, and accusations at any white target that crosses your path going to advance the issue? You think whites are going to sympathize for truly racist issues when they're bombarded by faux issues like this on a weekly, if not daily, basis?

People do not have a fully shaped character at birth, they develop it through lifelong experiences. Unless you're trying to argue that black people are born as immature crybabies your point is laughable. Not that it would be any less laughable if you argued the former.

And again, I didn't realize "black hole" was racist. Thanks for letting us know, champ.

Nice straw man. I have already stated that this case is ridiculous. But you just have one big anti-PC axe to grind.

It's true, but its not an excuse. Tolerance has to come from ALL sides.

Yes it does.

 

[MIMIC]

How about person/people? The whole concept of race is retarded and should never have been invented. As far as I'm concern there's only one race on earth, the human race.

You're making too much sense.

 

[Kitschkraft]

What's actually ironic is that you're passing off your post-ban activities as if they're the relevant subject of discussion.

LMFAO as "Post-ban activity" like I've been gone from gaf for months. I got banned for two weeks, like, in the middle of May. I've been alive and well on gaf since. My posting behavior certainly hasn't changed since then (And either way, it's not like I've been around here that long in the first place). And fuck outta here with your topic of discussion bullshit, who are you, some sort of neogaf librarian?

You're just bitter that I called out this story for what it was, and have burst the bubble on your doom and gloom, dystopian, end of the world, bitching and moaning. Rather then tackling the subject in an appropriate manner, you acted like a crybaby and teared up over my post history (And honestly, it's weird as fuck that you keep tabs on me). If you wanna talk about post history, I'll go there :

What I originally said, just being real about the subject : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11885293&postcount=85

You respond in the typical stormfrontish "We can't say anything anymore, our country is dying" fashion, yet at least remained respectful : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11886119&postcount=104

I responded back in an assertive, yet hardly offensive way : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11886538&postcount=106

You respond back like a crying baby whom has been told that he has to eat his green beans before he can have any ice-cream : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11891831&postcount=156

The only thing relevant to this discussion is that you couldn't handle talking about the issue without attacking me over it.

Do you honestly think I've forgotten the ass-backwards stances that people like you and hars0n have on things like affirmative action?

*GASPS*, heaven forbid that there is people out there that still support AA, because ya know, it's not like the wealth and income gaps aren't insanely wide in this country.

You can call my stance "ass-backwards" all you fucking please, the fact that it's worth so much tears from you clues me in on what kind of person you are. It's not a perfect system, but I don't think it's fair to forget the centuries of privileged that certain people have received in this country, that didn't even begin to end until 40 years ago. You must really hate the black community if your stance on AA is as sour as this.

Do you think people don't notice how you exaggerate every accusation of racism against whites and then turn around and dismiss statements such as these as being blown out of proportion?

Oh please, you're just being ridiculous. So, one minute you're saying that I'm the first one to bear arms when an instance of racism is brought up, but, in an instance where I come to the defense of the accused whites...I'm lying for the sake of....what?

Do you really think people don't notice how you pass off every claim of racism and double-standards by blacks as slander made by whites who "just want to say nigger" or who "are looking to be oppressed"?

Nice of you to try and draw up some sort of personality profile of me....using quotes that were directed at you in this very topic.

Do you think people forget your implications that changing your demeanor/dialect in the workplace is only done to "appease the white man"? Get real.

LOL, oh I see, you're still ass-hurt from the black speech topic yesterday.....I think it's a shame that I could talk about some real shit in my life without you acting like a child over it. You can paint me as some radical or militant or whatever you please, if the thought that bruthas in America have instances where there are more self-conscious of their behavior is sooooooooo foreign and outrageous to you, then I really don't know what to tell you aside from get out more. What I was talking about was a personal situation that I find myself in quite often, and I'm certainly not the first one to mention it.

Educate yourself : http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v25n2/mcwhorter.pdf

As for supporting bigots...that's funny. Was I supporting the Japanese in the thread where they advertised him as a monkey? Was I supporting Don Imus' "What color is he?" statement in that thread? I guess it's OK that you wouldn't know; you were banned.

I have no idea why you have such a hard-on for my banning. I've never been a nuisance on gaf, I was slightly derailing a poligaf thread and although I don't think it was worth a ban, it was what it was. I'm shocked that long after I've gotten over it, somebody else out there can still be so excited over it.

My ban ended looooooong before either of these threads. I have no idea why you think I was banned for that long or that recently. In fact, I believe that I even posted in the Don Imus topic.

Oh look, more blatant misrepresentations of stances and allusions to desires that I've never stated were mine.

You act like this, and then expect me to view you in any other light?

 

[Kapsama]

You're making too much sense.

It doesn't actually make much sense. While race is an artificial construct, the problems that we have would not just vanish without the concept. Instead there'd be "Colorism" or something similar.

 

[Kuramu]

This isn't Jim Crow era USA, there is no need for anyone to be docile or submissive to a bigoted, mental midget.

It's "mental little people" you bigot ;p

 

[Kitschkraft]

How about person/people? The whole concept of race is retarded and should never have been invented. As far as I'm concern there's only one race on earth, the human race.

I know that me even saying this is going to come back and bite me in the ass, but I'm sorry, the "we are one human race" thing isn't true. We are one species.

Do physical "races" exist in the way people tend to think they do (People often mistakenly compare humans to dog breeds, or even worst, use the term sub-species), no, but, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the differences between separate geographical regions on our planet.

"Race" isn't the issue, power and sovereignty are. It just so happens that the levels of power and sovereignty in our world tend to correlate with what we also consider "races". The concept of race can disappear tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference, the issues surrounding it would still be here.

When people see a video of 15 rainbow colored police officers beating a spotted victim, it's going to turn heads, regardless of whether or not people have a true concept of "race". Actually, the concept would arise right there, at that instant.

Edit : For what it's worth, I actually like your attitude on the subject. I disagree with Evander, in general, I don't think that the "pride" of a race/ethnic group has any real objective ground. I just don't think we are going to get to that place of "general humaneness" until we fix all of the problems that have arisen from our lack of this ideal first. It's not enough to just say, "We are all one race, welp, that was easy, lets get back to exploiting those dirty chi.....oh I mean, fellow humans"....

 

[Kitschkraft]

It's "mental little people" you bigot ;p

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[Evander]

You're making too much sense.

I don't know about you, but I take pride in my race. Thinking about the trial and tribulations of my ancestors brings me strength.

I'd rather not come from some sterylized "we are all humans" background. I'm proud of my genetics and culture.

 

[WickedAngel]

LMFAO as "Post-ban activity" like I've been gone from gaf for months. I got banned for two weeks, like, in the middle of May. I've been alive and well on gaf since. My posting behavior certainly hasn't changed since then (And either way, it's not like I've been around here that long in the first place). And fuck outta here with your topic of discussion bullshit, who are you, some sort of neogaf librarian?

You're just bitter that I called out this story for what it was, and have burst the bubble on your doom and gloom, dystopian, end of the world, bitching and moaning. Rather then tackling the subject in an appropriate manner, you acted like a crybaby and teared up over my post history (And honestly, it's weird as fuck that you keep tabs on me). If you wanna talk about post history, I'll go there :

What I originally said, just being real about the subject : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11885293&postcount=85

You respond in the typical stormfrontish "We can't say anything anymore, our country is dying" fashion, yet at least remained respectful : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11886119&postcount=104

I responded back in an assertive, yet hardly offensive way : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11886538&postcount=106

You respond back like a crying baby whom has been told that he has to eat his green beans before he can have any ice-cream : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11891831&postcount=156

The only thing relevant to this discussion is that you couldn't handle talking about the issue without attacking me over it.

I'm not bitter, or even angry. I'm amused that you think yourself capable of accomplishing such things (As if your opinions had any real meaning to me other than the rantings of a hypocrite that is defined by double-standards, intellectual dishonesty, blatant misrepresentations of arguments through one-line summaries, and a chip on ones shoulder the size of a planet.

I'm not sure what you meant to accomplish via the linking other than to confirm that you are downplaying the issue and dismissing it as a one-time, obscure occurrence (Which is exactly what you accuse others of doing when the accused "bigot" is white). You also proved my point in the assertion that I had stated anything resembling "We can't say anything anymore, our country is dying" generalization (That had nothing to do with the actual statement you linked to). You followed that by even more childish generalizations and linking. You're nothing if not consistent.

*GASPS*, heaven forbid that there is people out there that still support AA, because ya know, it's not like the wealth and income gaps aren't insanely wide in this country.

You can call my stance "ass-backwards" all you fucking please, the fact that it's worth so much tears from you clues me in on what kind of person you are. It's not a perfect system, but I don't think it's fair to forget the centuries of privileged that certain people have received in this country, that didn't even begin to end until 40 years ago. You must really hate the black community if your stance on AA is as sour as this.

:lol: ...again with the "tears!!!111" allusion? I suppose it's easy to understand the repetition, considering how shallow your underlying argument truly is.

I'm glad that it tells you what kind of person I am because you really don't seem to have a clue. I'm the kind of person that doesn't think racism should be addressed by implementing and supporting another inherently racist system. Wealth and income gaps aren't a racial issue and the only people (Read: People like you) who believe it should be kept are racist yourselves. There are plenty of Caucasians, Mexicans, and Asians who are just as disadvantaged and the needs of all of them could be addressed by socioeconomic-AA instead of race-based AA that places priority on people based on the color of their skin.

Oh please, you're just being ridiculous. So, one minute you're saying that I'm the first one to bear arms when an instance of racism is brought up, but, in an instance where I come to the defense of the accused whites...I'm lying for the sake of....what?

That isn't what was said at all, actually. You're the first person to jump behind the bandwagon when the accused isn't a minority. Now that the accused is a minority, you're downplaying the issue and misrepresenting the arguments of everyone who says otherwise.

Nice of you to try and draw up some sort of personality profile of me....using quotes that were directed at you in this very topic.

Because you've never said such things in the past...right?

LOL, oh I see, you're still ass-hurt from the black speech topic yesterday.....I think it's a shame that I could talk about some real shit in my life without you acting like a child over it. You can paint me as some radical or militant or whatever you please, if the thought that bruthas in America have instances where there are more self-conscious of their behavior is sooooooooo foreign and outrageous to you, then I really don't know what to tell you aside from get out more. What I was talking about was a personal situation that I find myself in quite often, and I'm certainly not the first one to mention it.

You keep alluding to statements that I haven't even made. Are you capable of typing a paragraph without misrepresenting the statements of others? I haven't stated that you're "radical", "militant", or an "uppity negro". I think it's funny that you keep running back to the tried-and-true manufactured criticism while accusing others of doing the same. You're overly sensitive to racial issues and almost always assume that racism is the underlying issue behind news stories that suggest it as a possibility. The other labels of are ones you've placed on yourself.

I don't think you're capable of responding without misrepresenting what has been said so I'll simply say farewell. Perhaps you'll come to realize that we're not the enemy one day.

And denial is not just a river in Egypt. If I had said that every Southerner is a unabashed racist, you would have a point. Alas I did not say that, so you do not have a point. All you have is ad hominems and your delusions.

Perhaps you should read over your original statement and get back to us.

Vast majority? Hah. I'd bet that at least half of the population is seriously ignorant of "race" relations. You're a prime example.

You're not really a prime authority on classifying ignorance, considering your labeling of the south as "unabashedly racist" without so much as a single citation to justify your claims. As I said earlier, this isn't the Confederacy anymore.

They have, but more often and more severely in the South. But this is not a North Vs South topic, I have already stated that the North has it's own problems. You're just trying to change the topic from racism in the South to comparative racism in different regions of the US.

Statements like "more often and more severely" make it sound as if you're working off of some source or citation. Perhaps you'd like to share that with us. I'm not changing anything; you're the one that make the accusation. The burden of proof is on you.

Yes putting a teenage black girl in PRISON for pushing a white hall monitor is about assault.

And again, you're pulling extremely specific cases out of thin air with no citations and suggesting that they're the status quo across an entire region of the United States without so much as a shred of proof that would support such a claim.

People do not have a fully shaped character at birth, they develop it through lifelong experiences. Unless you're trying to argue that black people are born as immature crybabies your point is laughable. Not that it would be any less laughable if you argued the former.

So by your rationale, would it be justified for victims of black criminals to hate all blacks because that seems to be your rationalization behind black victims and misplaced rage against whites.

 

[Gantz]

I know that me even saying this is going to come back and bite me in the ass, but I'm sorry, the "we are one human race" thing isn't true. We are one species.

Do physical "races" exist in the way people tend to think they do (People often mistakenly compare humans to dog breeds, or even worst, use the term sub-species), no, but, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the differences between separate geographical regions on our planet.

"Race" isn't the issue, power and sovereignty are. It just so happens that the levels of power and sovereignty in our world tend to correlate with what we also consider "races". The concept of race can disappear tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference, the issues surrounding it would still be here.

When people see a video of 15 rainbow colored police officers beating a spotted victim, it's going to turn heads, regardless of whether or not people have a true concept of "race". Actually, the concept would arise right there, at that instant.

Edit : For what it's worth, I actually like your attitude on the subject. I disagree with Evander, in general, I don't think that the "pride" of a race/ethnic group has any real objective ground. I just don't think we are going to get to that place of "general humaneness" until we fix all of the problems that have arisen from our lack of this ideal first. It's not enough to just say, "We are all one race, welp, that was easy, lets get back to exploiting those dirty chi.....oh I mean, fellow humans"....

Species is definitely the better word to describe us as a whole. The problem is that western scientists and the media have ingrained the concept of racism into our heads. I agree, it's not going to be easy. It's going to take a long time, but in order to end "racism" we have to start treating people as people. Attribute our differences by culture not and not by the color of our skin.

 

[Evander]

Species is definitely the better word to describe us as a whole. The problem is that western scientists and the media have ingrained the concept of racism into our heads. I agree, it's not going to be easy. It's going to take a long time, but in order to end "racism" we have to start treating people as people. Attribute our differences by culture not and not by the color of our skin.

so black people just get "culturally" ashy?

There ARE differences between different races, it is just that none of them are major. Trying to sweep everything under the rug is just as bad as racism, though.



It'[s important to simply recognize that none of the differences are anything major. THAT is how to end racism. If you pretend that no difference exists at all, then you're just setting racism up to resurge later, when some idiot finds out that a small difference exists, and assumes that larger ones must exist too.

 

[MWS Natural]

All that being said, it's just a coincidence that "black" people share the skin tone of darkness. It's not fair that their skin represents an unfavorable color, but that has nothing to do with accurately labeling something black. A black hole is black, a black horse is black, and a black person is black. That's life.

Just wanted to add a very small percentage of "black" people share the skin tone of darkness....especially African-Americans.

 

[Blackace]

so black people just get "culturally" ashy?

whites get dry skin as well..

 

[Pachael]

THE NEW BLACK

 

[Rorschach]

This thread is sadder than the original post.

 

[Gantz]

so black people just get "culturally" ashy?

There ARE differences between different races, it is just that none of them are major. Trying to sweep everything under the rug is just as bad as racism, though.



It'[s important to simply recognize that none of the differences are anything major. THAT is how to end racism. If you pretend that no difference exists at all, then you're just setting racism up to resurge later, when some idiot finds out that a small difference exists, and assumes that larger ones must exist too.

Hey I'm Asian. There are dark skinned Asians. We don't go around pointing out their skin pigment. We recognize our differences through differences in their culture.

 

[Wired]

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Batman?

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages...n=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price is sticking to his comments that the term "black hole," which a colleague used, is racist. Price also says language such as "angel food cake" and "devil's food cake" is also racially insensitive.

:lol

The video is priceless.

 

[Takuan]

Hey I'm Asian. There are dark skinned Asians. We don't go around pointing out their skin pigment. We recognize our differences through differences in their culture.

East Asia is biased toward light skin, too. There's a lot of light/dark hate within the population.

 

[Kitschkraft]

I'm not bitter, or even angry. I'm amused that you think yourself capable of accomplishing such things (As if your opinions had any real meaning to me other than the rantings of a hypocrite that is defined by double-standards, intellectual dishonesty, blatant misrepresentations of arguments through one-line summaries, and a chip on ones shoulder the size of a planet.

If my opinion means nothing to you, then add me to your ignore list and discontinue comments towards me, I will do the same after this post. Honestly, the fact of the matter is that I had fuck all to say to you, and was trying to discuss the issue without delving into a huge fight (Which is how I tend to discuss things online, only the most disrespectful of people can really get me to go back and fourth like this, as you have). You're a condescending, judgmental, and yes, as far as I'm concerned, bigoted asshole.

I'm not sure what you meant to accomplish via the linking other than to confirm that you are downplaying the issue and dismissing it as a one-time, obscure occurrence (Which is exactly what you accuse others of doing when the accused "bigot" is white).

I was providing the reason for this encounter, which once again, was you acting like a fucking dick.

I have no idea what you mean by saying that I've accused other of trying to downplay issues and dismissing them as one-time. I've never done that here, you are simply making this up. I notice that when issues of racism against blacks are brought up, people such as yourself tend to not even acknowledge that race was involved, and instead, run back to your naive bubbles. I hardly even care about these small, individual instances of racism. When I'm talking about racism, 9 out of 10 times it's going to be some form of societal or structural form of racism, or something like black representations in the media. I may jump in a Michael Richards topic and throw a "fuck him", but it's hardly a concern of mine.

You also proved my point in the assertion that I had stated anything resembling "We can't say anything anymore, our country is dying" generalization (That had nothing to do with the actual statement you linked to). You followed that by even more childish generalizations and linking. You're nothing if not consistent.

WickedAngel said : People are exaggerating but that doesn't make the increasingly-obnoxious persistence of political correctness and misplaced implications of racism any less concerning.

This is the doom and gloom generalization that you just brought up. And besides, my initial post wasn't directed at you anyways, if you didn't pull the fear card, then others in the topic certain did, so why are you moaning?

:lol: ...again with the "tears!!!111" allusion? I suppose it's easy to understand the repetition, considering how shallow your underlying argument truly is.

My underlying argument that people who claim political correctness are just as, if not more, sensitive as people who claim racism? We can agree to disagree, but since you obviously didn't want to debate that in the first place, I don't see why you are bringing it up now. It obviously struck a deep cord with you, I guess people just like wallowing in their own tears.

I'm glad that it tells you what kind of person I am because you really don't seem to have a clue. I'm the kind of person that doesn't think racism should be addressed by implementing and supporting another inherently racist system. Wealth and income gaps aren't a racial issue and the only people (Read: People like you) who believe it should be kept are racist yourselves. There are plenty of Caucasians, Mexicans, and Asians who are just as disadvantaged and the needs of all of them could be addressed by socioeconomic-AA instead of race-based AA that places priority on people based on the color of their skin.

I'm not getting into a debate about AA with you, I really don't care for it, as it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Once again, you show that you are just ass-hurt about people fighting what they perceive to be injustices in society.

That isn't what was said at all, actually. You're the first person to jump behind the bandwagon when the accused isn't a minority. Now that the accused is a minority, you're downplaying the issue and misrepresenting the arguments of everyone who says otherwise.

How is the minority "the accused" in this topic? The brutha called somebody a racist for saying black hole, and I clearly stated that he was being fucking ridiculous. Words don't change just because you want them to WA, I know that you think you have me completely profiled, but believe it or not, I'm actually against getting angry about these petty shits. Hell, I don't really care if the brutha was called the N-word, once again, I'm for sovereignty, independence, and the freedom for a people to chose their own destiny. I could give a fuck less if some hick doesn't like blacks.

Because you've never said such things in the past...right?

No, I haven't. I've NEVER accused bigoted, racist people, of being just that....:lol

You keep alluding to statements that I haven't even made. Are you capable of typing a paragraph without misrepresenting the statements of others? I haven't stated that you're "radical", "militant", or an "uppity negro". I think it's funny that you keep running back to the tried-and-true manufactured criticism while accusing others of doing the same. You're overly sensitive to racial issues and almost always assume that racism is the underlying issue behind news stories that suggest it as a possibility. The other labels of are ones you've placed on yourself.

Don't bullshit with me, you're up and arms about me (and I quote) "Wealth and income gaps aren't a racial issue and the only people (Read: People like you) who believe it should be kept are racist yourselves.". Everything from your condescending attitude, to the way you just seem appalled that I can and will challenge people on racial issues, is proof enough of what you think.

I don't think you're capable of responding without misrepresenting what has been said so I'll simply say farewell. Perhaps you'll come to realize that we're not the enemy one day.

I'll ignore you from now on, and I hope you do the same to me. I prefer not to get into arguments with people who I know are incapable of empathy.

 

[Xenon]

:lol I would have apologized to the man. I would have said "Im sorry your so ignorant and caught up in the color of your skin that you need to try and apply it to everything."

 

[Kapsama]

Perhaps you should read over your original statement and get back to us.

I'm well aware of my original statement and I stand by it.

You're not really a prime authority on classifying ignorance, considering your labeling of the south as "unabashedly racist" without so much as a single citation to justify your claims. As I said earlier, this isn't the Confederacy anymore.

Statements like "more often and more severely" make it sound as if you're working off of some source or citation. Perhaps you'd like to share that with us. I'm not changing anything; you're the one that make the accusation. The burden of proof is on you.

And again, you're pulling extremely specific cases out of thin air with no citations and suggesting that they're the status quo across an entire region of the United States without so much as a shred of proof that would support such a claim.

You're just being an idiot, by I will play your game. Just tell me what exactly will suffice as proof in your mind and I will be dig up whatever I can.

So by your rationale, would it be justified for victims of black criminals to hate all blacks because that seems to be your rationalization behind black victims and misplaced rage against whites.

Nice straw man there chief. But first of all I didn't say that what Mr.Wiley Price did was right and second of all Mr.Wiley Price does not hate all white people as far as we know.