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[TheSeks]

Is this post real? So because Doom got more mainstream coverage even though it didn't sell anywhere near as well it suddenly eclipsed COD in popularity?

Doom was the FPS genre. If Doom did not get the mainstream press into a fever over it's graphic violence, there would be no FPS genre today. Call of Duty, Quake, UT, etc. etc. etc. have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to FPS popularity.

Doom was the Call of Duty at the time because it did shit different from typical Mario Platforming games at the time. It sold a shit load of copies that at the time would be in Call of Duties' area. To deny the fact that it was popular is insane.

 

[dallow_bg]

I used to like calling them Doom-clones and corridor shooters.

 

[Mr_Brit]

Doom was the FPS genre. If Doom did not get the mainstream press into a fever over it's graphic violence, there would be no FPS genre today. Call of Duty, Quake, UT, etc. etc. etc. have a lot to be thankful for when it comes to FPS popularity.

Doom was the Call of Duty at the time because it did shit different from typical Mario Platforming games at the time. It sold a shit load of copies that at the time would be in Call of Duties' area. To deny the fact that it was popular is insane.

I never denied it was popular I said that Quake/UT/Doom weren't ridiculously popular like FPS games are now and you responded with some nonsense about it receiving more mainstream coverage so that nullified the massive sales gap.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Doom was a pop culture sensation and reaction to it and panic in computer game development circles along with the RTS helped to really wipe out a lot of genre diversity. Half-Life shifted a lot, in large part due Counter-Strike I think. But nothing compares to the frenzy around the genre at this time.

 

[TheSeks]

I never denied it was popular I said that Quake/UT/Doom weren't ridiculously popular like FPS games are now

Which is wrong, because Doom was ridiculously popular at the time: hence my "mainstream news media" comment. Doom was the great big bad boogie man at the time when gaming was "for dungeon and dragons nerds, not me." It was the Call of Duty in FPS popularity at the time.

(And we're totally derailing the thread)

 

[Big One]

Wtf??? Mabey why so many are laughing at us....

Let me paraphrase that: It's why FPS games are selling so ridiculously well and being pushed as major franchises.

Both Halo and CoD are easily, EASILY 100x more popular than the average FPS game back in the day.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

If he feels that way then why not help once thriving genres shine once again? JRPG's should shine once more.

 

[AndyD]

he's not close to the ball, there are plenty of other genres that sell heaps

Yep. FPS appears to sell well because there are a few mega shooters every year it seems among a sea of options. In other words the cream rises to the top.

In RPGs and most other genres, sales are weaker because there is a much smaller set of options and there are fewer very good ones overall. The Japanese production of games this generation has fallen way behind in both quality and quantity. Yes, there are still some great games, but overall very few compared to the ones coming out of the west.

 

[Mr_Brit]

Which is wrong, because Doom was ridiculously popular at the time: hence my "mainstream news media" comment. Doom was the great big bad boogie man at the time when gaming was "for dungeon and dragons nerds, not me." It was the Call of Duty in FPS popularity at the time.

(And we're totally derailing the thread)

So now you've moved the goal posts from general popularity to FPS popularity and admitted the nonsensical opinion that the only factor you take into account when measuring a game's success is mainstream coverage.

Interesting poster to say the least.

 

[Hyuga]

The thought of a shooter-only [wartime shooting] future makes Iwata sad

Of course it makes him sad. They are unable to create such games. So he hates it.
Same reason why Miyamoto hates RPGs. Unable to create/write a good RPG story.

 

[pieatorium]

Let me paraphrase that: It's why FPS games are selling so ridiculously well and being pushed as major franchises.

Both Halo and CoD are easily, EASILY 100x more popular than the average FPS game back in the day.

Why are you comparing the most popular today with average of back in the day?

 

[thePsyKo1]

Let me paraphrase that: It's why FPS games are selling so ridiculously well and being pushed as major franchises.

Both Halo and CoD are easily, EASILY 100x more popular than the average FPS game back in the day.

So by popular you mean sold more units?

 

[Ryuuga]

Shovelware?

I'd love to know which ones you consider shovelware.

 

[Big One]

Why are you comparing the most popular today with average of back in the day?

Because that's all that matters when discussing how popular a series is?

Doom was in no way a household name back in the day. Yes it was highly popular, but only amongst hardcore gamers. Halo, on the other hand, is something even my fucking grandmother knows about.

 

[Vire]

There is shovel ware for literally every possible genre. What's your point?

 

[_Alkaline_]

Doom was in no way a household name back in the day.

Wow.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

As long as you guys keep churning out excellent non-FPS games, we'll keep on having a reason to not be sad, Iwata.

 

[Big One]

Wow.

I'm just stating a fact, it wasn't. I'm not sure what to say to someone who thinks otherwise.

 

[Rattles]

Because that's all that matters when discussing how popular a series is?

Doom was in no way a household name back in the day. Yes it was highly popular, but only amongst hardcore gamers. Halo, on the other hand, is something even my fucking grandmother knows about.

I would say Doom was.. same as was GTA. Halo was almost there but then Cod took over we just gotta wait till whats next.

 

[mujun]

I'm sick of hearing Iwata's opinion. Put your money where your mouth is and make something that captures the market more or changes what people want from games.

 

[_Alkaline_]

I'm just stating a fact, it wasn't. I'm not sure what to say to someone who thinks otherwise.

'Facts' are, you know, supposed to actually be correct.

 

[Tiduz]

FPSes are awesome

that is all

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Miyamoto said he could make a Halo game,

Well, Halo is kind of different. There's a Universe built there. They've got set character designs, personalities and design decisions in place. It's not too dissimilar to something like Zelda in that regard.

Pretty much every other shooter is just really military dudes with guns, though.

 

[Ryuuga]

There is shovel ware for literally every possible genre. What's your point?

You wouldn't be asking if you read the post I quoted.

Adding to the discussion, it'd be sad if any particular industry decided to stick to one genre for the sake of profit. I certainly can't find the appeal of playing annual iterations of war shooters, but I don't question it's popularity.

 

[Big One]

I would say Doom was same as was GTA. Halo was almost there but then Cod took over we just gotta wait till whats next.

Yeah I agree with that, but GTA is still more popular for the very fact that for two generations it's been churning out million seller titles. The only real popular Doom titles are the first two which were released very close to each other. But I think the franchises are comparible in that while average people may know about them, there's mixed opinions on them. A lot of controversy amongst parents about the games too.

'Facts' are, you know, supposed to actually be correct.

Okay give me the proof that suggests Doom was anymore than a highly hyped game in gaming magazines and played primarily by anyone other than hardcore gamers. Of course the game was fucking popular, but a household name? You gotta be kidding yourself if you think that was the case.

 

[Alexios]

I'm sick of hearing Iwata's opinion. Put your money where your mouth is and make something that captures the market more or changes what people want from games.

Then why click Iwata's threads? He didn't call you, he was talking to Nintendo's investors and the various websites, and GAF, picked up on that. They probably have a ton of requests to make FPS from those ignorant fools so he has to work it in his, well, internal PR. Also, Nintendo games are among the very, very few that can match up to the sales of COD and the like so uh, he's been doing that already as they don't make FPS games yet enjoy similar success. So yeah, I guess you clicked "submit reply" a bit too fast there.

 

[statham]

I'm just stating a fact, it wasn't. I'm not sure what to say to someone who thinks otherwise.

 

[_Alkaline_]

You wouldn't be asking if you read the post I quoted.

But you obviously didn't properly read the post I quoted.

His statement was that GAF defends the legions of FPS shovelware that comes out each year. I can guarantee you that not one person defended the games you displayed.

 

[Nostalgia~4ever]

He's pretty much absolutely on the ball here. But you're still gonna get GAFers who defend the amount of FPS shovelware that is on the market right now.

yeah because there aren't shovelware of the other genres? Look at the wii, it barely has any shooters, but got plenty of shovelware minigame collections and petz babyz.

 

[TheNatural]

Because that's all that matters when discussing how popular a series is?

Doom was in no way a household name back in the day. Yes it was highly popular, but only amongst hardcore gamers. Halo, on the other hand, is something even my fucking grandmother knows about.

I have to agree with you there. I've been working grading standardized tests for different states and a few weeks back I was grading writing for 5th graders in New Mexico, and the subject was for them to explain the rules of a game they play. Of course, a lot wrote about videogames, and the one I would see most is Call of Duty. Specifically the 'zombie mode' in it, whatever that is. Pretty funny to me how many kids play these games, when there's so many that get so defensive about the genre and how hardcore it is and stuff. Then they pop in Call of Duty or something and could be playing against some kid that just finished his spelling homework. I can't imagine 5th graders back in the day playing or talking about Doom. So for that, I would guess things have become a lot more casual and little kids love to play these kind of games plenty.

 

[Ryuuga]

But you obviously didn't properly read the post I quoted.

His statement was that GAF defends the legions of FPS shovelware that comes out each year. I can guarantee you that not one person defended the games you displayed.

My post was merely a direct response to your question. Those are games I consider shovelware in this particular genre. Whether people on GAF decide to defend it or not is an entirely different matter.

 

[pieatorium]

My post was merely a direct response to your question. Those are games I consider shovelware in this particular genre. Whether people on GAF decide to defend it or not is an entirely different matter.

But his his post was directed at that specific poster wondering which of the shovelwhere gaf defends.

 

[babyghost853]

Why does everyone assume he is only referring to FPS, why could he not be referring to yearly sequels?

 

[Ryuuga]

But his his post was directed at that specific poster wondering which of the shovelwhere gaf defends.

Have you seen anyone on GAF defending Jericho? For the sake of conversation I figured I'd list some games I consider shovelware(nothing more,nothing less).

 

[Rattles]

Yeah I agree with that, but GTA is still more popular for the very fact that for two generations it's been churning out million seller titles. The only real popular Doom titles are the first two which were released very close to each other. But I think the franchises are comparible in that while average people may know about them, there's mixed opinions on them. A lot of controversy amongst parents about the games too.

Okay give me the proof that suggests Doom was anymore than a highly hyped game in gaming magazines and played primarily by anyone other than hardcore gamers. Of course the game was fucking popular but a household name? You gotta be kidding yourself if you think that was the case.

Yep but then why has Gta been able to stick around/Remain more popular that any fps that has come before?.

I see ur edit. I can't prove Doom was that, as wolfenstein because internet was not the be all back then.

 

[Enosh]

I'll go on record as saying they should disappear. Sure, there are millions of people out there who love them, but I'm not one of them. Hooray for making the hobby exclusive again!

let me guess, this is another thread where everyone with an anime avatar will whine how shooters should die

edit: hey I was wrong, imagine that

 

[Plywood]

Weren't RPG's top sellers before FPS?

GAMING TRENDS

The more you know~

I'll go on record as saying they should disappear. Sure, there are millions of people out there who love them, but I'm not one of them. Hooray for making the hobby exclusive again!

I don't enjoy them, so they shouldn't exist!

 

[universalmind]

imo stfu iwata

 

[Big One]

But his his post was directed at that specific poster wondering which of the shovelwhere gaf defends.

Just let me restate my point: I'm not saying GAF is defending specific shovelware, just that they're defending the oversatuation of FPS games on the market. There's tons of people in this thread telling Iwata to fuck off for example.

 

[Tenck]

World of Warcraft isn't a shooter.

Your post would make sense if WoW was the most popular thing.

 

[Struct09]

I would be sad if any genre completely took over. But luckily I find tons of games to play, even though I'm not really into shooters.

 

[Plywood]

Just let me restate my point: I'm not saying GAF is defending specific shovelware, just that they're defending the oversatuation of FPS games on the market. There's tons of people in this thread telling Iwata to fuck off for example.

The guy cries makes a small comment(a stupid one though) about FPS and doesn't localize his shit vidya games.

 

[pieatorium]

Okay give me the proof that suggests Doom was anymore than a highly hyped game in gaming magazines and played primarily by anyone other than hardcore gamers. Of course the game was fucking popular, but a household name? You gotta be kidding yourself if you think that was the case.

Has Mike Ross ever gone to a midnight launch of halo? i doubt it, score one for Doom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICGDda3BEY

Just let me restate my point: I'm not saying GAF is defending specific shovelware, just that they're defending the oversatuation of FPS games on the market. There's tons of people in this thread telling Iwata to fuck off for example.

People wan't the games they like to be made, there will always be people making cheap shit versions of whats popular to try and cash in

 

[mujun]

Then why click Iwata's threads? He didn't call you, he was talking to Nintendo's investors and the various websites, and GAF, picked up on that. They probably have a ton of requests to make FPS from those ignorant fools so he has to work it in his, well, internal PR. Also, Nintendo games are among the very, very few that can match up to the sales of COD and the like so uh, he's been doing that already as they don't make FPS games yet enjoy similar success. So yeah, I guess you clicked "submit reply" a bit too fast there.

Sorry, you are right, I forgot that I should keep my opinion to myself if it's negative.

 

[slingsarrows]

I think any gamer would be sad if a "shooter-only" future occured, but the chances of it happening are very slim... considering Nintendos first party lineups, along with indie pc games, even if microsoft sony and every big 3rd party developer made only shooters, there would still be great gems out there.

 

[subversus]

Not really.

yeah, really. See Doom sales.

also Quake sales.

edit: also 4 million copies of Duke3D.

 

[Ryuuga]

Has Mike Ross ever gone to a midnight launch of halo? i doubt it, score one for Doom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICGDda3BEY

You make a good point, Mike Ross usually doesn't make public appearances.

 

[pieatorium]

You make a good point, Mike Ross usually doesn't make public appearances.

lol

 

[Negator]

It's hard to take Iwata seriously considering Nintendo's curent state. Their American division isn't exactly fostering creativity.

Personally, I'm sick to death of first person shooters aside from TF2 and Battlefield games.

 

[george_us]

For heaven's sake did people bitch this much when every damn game was a platformer back in the 90s? There's not going to be some shooter only future. In fact, we have far more choice today than ever before.