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[Nestunt]

Apart from a bigger hard drive and/or PS+ subscription, what would be different about the "gamer" model?

I dont know =D

maybe something on the veign of the Wii U model

I am having a difficult time imagining Sony doing a single 299 sku with the costs of production of the rumored tech

I also have my doubts that Sony would risk entering the market where people buy 300 tablets and phones in a frightening rhythm with a single 399 sku

 

[SammiiDoogles]

As long as it's not £425 on launch like the PS3, I don't mind. £399 is pushing it but I'd be okay with £350 and definitely happy with £300, but I doubt that would happen.

 

[Glass Rebel]

That would definitely force Nintendo to cut the price, dayum.

 

[AOC83]

Me?

That's why it's a hunch?

And whats the basis for this?

 

[DBT85]

Well the cheapest I can find now are £139 for 360, and £155 for PS3

The 12GB PS3 was £140 a couple of weeks ago at Sainsbury too.

 

[Draper]

1 SKU, $400. Do it Sony.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I remember when people said Vita wouldn't be a distant 2nd string like PSP. They were right, it was worse.
Predicting what will happen before we know the value-on-dollar ratio never works out.

Where is this idea that because the Wii U is a tough sell at $350 that it also applies to PS4/Durango?

 

[dwu8991]

Before Baconsammy goes on a Nintendo rant.. oh.. too late.

Anyway, it will launch above $400. Sony will want some longevity to the console and if they start too low, there will not be enough profits at the beginning.

Yeah, it's not as if Sony get any money from online subscriptions to keep the console price down

PS+ must cost Sony a ton of money to service

 

[Glass Rebel]

And whats the basis for this?

There is no "basis".

That's why it's a hunch.

 

[Sulik2]

$400 PS4 next to a subsidized $99 Durango could be a problem for Sony. However, $400 is what I expected for the price. If that controller leak was real I am in.

 

[1-D_FTW]

It's important to note that equals 372 US after you do the conversion and remove the 20 percent VAT charge. So 349.99 US seems plausible if that's actually true.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

This didn't drive their losses; in terms of the whole organisational costs Nintendo just isn't turning enough profit from their products overall.

You can sell a console at a loss and still profit is my point; you can only profit based on the console alone if you've got pretty good margins (or unlike Nintendo not running the wider development costs they likely incur).

Maybe am reading into that situation too much; my point is just that aiming to profit on the console isn't really where the money is in the console market.

Yes it did, in the report I remember reading that the negative margins on the Wii U would lead to a net loss this year but the losses would be eliminated for the following year by aggressive cost cutting and better hardware margins.

I agree on the latter point, PS2 was a good example of this model, 3DS too.

What's going to be interesting is if Nintendo commit to this 100bn yen net profit for 2013/14, if they do then there won't be much room for Nintendo to lower the price of the Wii U since meeting that target will require them to have a significant profit margin on their hardware.

 

[wsippel]

I could see a low, heavily subsidized price if a PS+ membership becomes a (de facto) requirement.

 

[dc89]

£300. I'd be in day one at that price.

 

[Fezzan]

Personally I think the $99 up front then pay monthly is brilliant.
The PS4 and Nextbox should do that.

 

[BlackJace]

Where is this idea that because the Wii U is a tough sell at $350 that it also applies to PS4/Durango?

The opposite rings true as well. The whole "pent up demand from 'core' gamers" isn't a safe prediction. The market is different than it was in 2006, and if all that Durango and Orbis offer are new shiny graphics, I don't think it'll be enticing enough for consumers to drop 300-450 bones for it.

 

[FStop7]

Base $399
Good $499

 

[Baconsammy]

Before Baconsammy goes on a Nintendo rant.. oh.. too late.

Anyway, it will launch above $400. Sony will want some longevity to the console and if they start too low, there will not be enough profits at the beginning.

Might want to pay attention to the sticky that says attack the position, not the person taking the position. If you disagree with what I said (it was hardly a rant), just say why.

 

[Fezzan]

As long as it's not £425 on launch like the PS3, I don't mind. £399 is pushing it but I'd be okay with £350 and definitely happy with £300, but I doubt that would happen.

£350 sounds like the price that could do well here.
Anymore and you won't get many sales.

 

[Terrell]

Where is this idea that because the Wii U is a tough sell at $350 that it also applies to PS4/Durango?

If it's $400 and output doesn't meet expectations or perceived value, it can all fall apart. Simple as that.

It may also be important to note that, especially with the Vita's market performance, Sony's shareholders may not swallow a flagship product in one of its key markets gambling on a loss leader strategy again.

 

[Bgamer90]

I don't agree with people that mention the PS Vita and Wii U as reasons why the new consoles won't do well.

Those systems just simply aren't attractive to many people -- including people who could have possibly been early adopters.

Well, that, as well as the fact that there a good number of people that don't even know what those systems are.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

And whats the basis for this?

My hunch is based on poor WiiU/Vita sales and a slow start to the 3DS, despite the DS being a behemoth.

It just seems the three new systems this generation have all had problems taking off, and only one of them seems to have recovered, albeit not to the roaring success of it's predecessor.

I also feel selling a system based on raw power has never been a successful endeavor. It's been quite awhile since the "best" system of the generation had the most sales.

 

[dwu8991]

The opposite rings true as well. The whole "pent up demand from 'core' gamers" isn't a safe prediction. The market is different than it was in 2006, and if all that Durango and Orbis offer are new shiny graphics, I don't think it'll be enticing enough for consumers to drop 300-450 bones for it.

Yeah, not even 1080P Call of Duty and God of War would be enough of an upgrade to get people to PS4 for launch

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Yeah, not even 1080P Call of Duty and God of War would be enough of an upgrade to get people to PS4 for launch

just because the wiiU isn't selling doesn't mean people aren't looking forward to the ps4 or xb3.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

That's the price of the Wii U in the UK? What the hell is wrong with Nintendo? That would explain its 'dead' status over there. Take something people don't value or covet, stick a high price on it relative to superior competition(in terms of price and game availability) = success? Who's making those decisions?

It really should have launched at £249 for the premium (with no tard pack) at most, ideally at £199.
I'm totally expecting a price cut come next-gen launch, as there is no way in hell people will go for the "oh another wii, well we already got one" if a PS Orbango or XboxEyefinities cost the same.

 

[grimshawish]

What's going to be interesting is if Nintendo commit to this 100bn yen net profit for 2013/14, if they do then there won't be much room for Nintendo to lower the price of the Wii U since meeting that target will require them to have a significant profit margin on their hardware.

I suspect this will be very dependent on what releases they manage to get out this year.
The more games they can finish the more they can drop the price.

Its not going to be easy whatever happens.

 

[Omnistalgic]

$299 & $399 would be absolutely ridiculously and almost guarantee impulse purchasing. But I suspect as easier way to reduce the price of the base model is just to subsidize with PSN+...

Cell Phone subsidizing is big, and you are literally just paying for the cost of your phone with those expensive data plans. With PS+, for many it will be something you'd already want, and if it makes your upfront console purchase cheaper I'm all for it.

$299 PS4 with a two-year PS+ agreement would sell well I think, I'd be there day ZERO...

 

[Terrell]

I don't agree with people that mention the PS Vita and Wii U as reasons why the new consoles won't do well.

Those systems just simply aren't attractive to many people -- including people who could have possibly been early adopters.

Well, that, as well as the fact that there a good number of people that don't even know what those systems are.

This makes an early assumption that PS4 and the next Xbox will assuredly be an attractive buy.

 

[Bgamer90]

Yeah, not even 1080P Call of Duty and God of War would be enough of an upgrade to get people to PS4 for launch

At launch? No... at least no for many people.

2 years or so down the road though, especially when the next gen version will get the improvements as the PS3/360 version more than likely stay exactly the same? I think many will make the jump. Especially gamers who mostly play shooters and sports games... two genres which are known for being graphical showcases.

 

[Hana-Bi]

So they are considering a price of 300£? I'm sure they are also considering a price of 350 or 400 £...

 

[Fezzan]

This makes an early assumption that PS4 and the next Xbox will assuredly be an attractive buy.

More attractive than the Vita or Wii-U

 

[1-D_FTW]

Only time will tell, but among my circle (and my allegiance is to PC), the twin HD crew have been talking about successors for a couple years now. These aren't message posters either. Just CoD/Madden people who want better consoles. Now.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I'm not entirely sure I believe this, but it does make sense for the console to cheaper now that they aren't trying to standardized a new media format.

 

[Fezzan]

At launch? No... at least no for many people.

2 years or so down the road though, especially when the next gen version will get the improvements as the PS3/360 version more than likely stays exactly the same? I think many will make the jump. Especially gamers who mostly play shooters and sports games... two genres which are known for being graphical showcases.

Not to mention that in two years most of their friends would have gotten a PS or Xbox.

 

[Spookie]

Meh. At least it's cheaper than the PS3 at launch. Here is hoping it has a heavy stable of exclusive games to play at launch to warrant the price I've already got my PC for my multi-plats.

 

[Terrell]

More attractive than the Vita or Wii-U

Do we know that FOR SURE?
GAF thought the same about the PS3, that it was more attractive of a sell than the 360 or Wii, and it took major stumbles by Nintendo for that system to regain their lost ground.
Assuredness is not a luxury that can be afforded right now. Proof is in the pudding, and right now, we have no pudding.

 

[Bgamer90]

This makes an early assumption that PS4 and the next Xbox will assuredly be an attractive buy.

Not saying that the new consoles will be 100% -- but based on the fact that these consoles will have a ton of third party support, improved games in comparison to what many are playing now, more features, etc. I would be pretty sure that a good number would find the systems to be attractive; at least more attractive than the systems that have been released recently -- systems that don't do much (at least not yet) to make the PS3/360 look outdated.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

More attractive than the Vita or Wii-U

This isn't a forgone conclusion. We don't know if Sony will make the same mistakes with the PS4 as they did with the Vita. Maybe they'll advertise it poorly. Maybe it'll not really be that impressive technically. Maybe it'll have a crippling RRoD situation.

 

[AOC83]

My hunch is based on poor WiiU/Vita sales and a slow start to the 3DS, despite the DS being a behemoth.

It just seems the three new systems this generation have all had problems taking off, and only one of them seems to have recovered, albeit not to the roaring success of it's predecessor.

I also feel selling a system based on raw power has never been a successful endeavor. It's been quite awhile since the "best" system of the generation had the most sales.

But the 3DS and the Vita are handhelds, that´s not really the same market as home consoles, on top of that both were/are overpriced and have terrible software support.

WiiU has the same problems and adds some additional like the uninteresting concept and the horrible hardware.

You can´t really take complete clusterfucks like these (the 3DS to a lesser extent) as a basis for the console gaming future.

 

[nib95]

More attractive than the Vita or Wii-U

Vita was a big bulky expensive portable with mainly ports or lesser versions of big titles as it's main games, and the Wii U was a confusing console with last gen hardware and online features, wrapped in next gen pricing.

I think the hype surrounding the PS4/720 is far greater.

 

[Baconsammy]

just because the wiiU isn't selling doesn't mean people aren't looking forward to the ps4 or xb3.

It seems to be a popular refrain in Wii U sales threads now. A lot of "I can't wait to see how bad the Xbox and PS4 sales numbers are this time next year." I agree with you that comparing the two things as if they're similar is misguided at best. One is selling a very poorly-defined gimmick tied to a system with specs many of us have grown tired of the past few years, and the other will more than likely be selling power plus an improvement in services that we've grown to love (or at least expect). One received poor third party support, the other will receive the best support third parties can muster at this point(because they need the next gen consoles to succeed).

 

[Wynnebeck]

This makes an early assumption that PS4 and the next Xbox will assuredly be an attractive buy.

Well I'm sure both Sony and Microsoft are looking at how Nintendo flubbed their release and are going to take steps to prevent the same from happening to them. Besides, they have things that Nintendo wish they had: better 3rd party support, fully functioning online networks, more streaming media options, etc.

It seems to be a popular refrain in Wii U sales threads now. A lot of "I can't wait to see how bad the Xbox and PS4 sales numbers are this time next year." I agree with you that comparing the two things as if they're similar is misguided at best.One is selling a very well-defined gimmick tied to a system with specs many of us have grown tired of the past few years, and the other will more than likely be selling power plus an improvement in services that we've grown to love (or at least expect). One received poor third party, the other will receive the best support third parties can muster at this point(because they need the next gen consoles to succeed).

Well said.

 

[Delio]

I don't agree with people that mention the PS Vita and Wii U as reasons why the new consoles won't do well.

Those systems just simply aren't attractive to many people -- including people who could have possibly been early adopters.

Well, that, as well as the fact that there a good number of people that don't even know what those systems are.

But why are people automatically assuming MS/Sony will instantly have mega sales from the start and keep it going for a while? People seem to be assuming a lot of things and I dont think it's that easy.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Guess I'm waiting. For a price drop then


350 would have been boss

 

[Xplatformer]

This will be a glorious Christmas holiday season. AWESOME SAUCE!!!

 

[Mung]

That price is killer.

Remember, EU normally gets boned in price. US and JAP will probably be less.

The ps1 was launched at £299, which works out at £466 today.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

This isn't a forgone conclusion. We don't know if Sony will make the same mistakes with the PS4 as they did with the Vita. Maybe they'll advertise it poorly. Maybe it'll not really be that impressive technically. Maybe it'll have a crippling RRoD situation.

sony never had a rrod fiasco (i doubt they're gonna start now) and the 20th event is getting more publicity than the vita ever got in its lifetime. i also don't agree with games not being impressive technically, everything we've seen so far of games and tech demos show a noticeable leap in graphics. making mistakes? they're gonna make a few of those, that's for sure.

 

[Plinko]

It seems to be a popular refrain in Wii U sales threads now. A lot of "I can't wait to see how bad the Xbox and PS4 sales numbers are this time next year." I agree with you that comparing the two things as if they're similar is misguided at best. One is selling a very poorly-defined gimmick tied to a system with specs many of us have grown tired of the past few years, and the other will more than likely be selling power plus an improvement in services that we've grown to love (or at least expect). One received poor third party support, the other will receive the best support third parties can muster at this point(because they need the next gen consoles to succeed).

I've always stated that I'm extremely curious to see how sales of Durango/Orbis are. I think they'll do very well at first, but I'm concerned about long-term sales.

 

[Bad_Boy]

People thinking it should be $350. :lol

 

[Honey Bunny]

Too good to be true. Don't believe it'll happen.