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The Tree of Life (dir. Malick; Pitt, Penn)

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Waaaay late on this one, but popped the Bluray in last night and made it an hour before falling asleep (not the film's fault). LOVED IT. Can't wait for the rest.

Oh, and I just read a couple of pages back: cut Penn?????? Are you fucking insane? Those first few scenes of him at work flashing back are just incredible.

Yeah, definitely pull through. It's a thing of beauty. The ending outstayed its welcome after a few minutes (imo), but that didn't stop me from enjoying the whole ride. Watched it twice already (cinema with family in German and at home alone in English) and intend to watch it again sometime.

And I liked Penn's scenes, too. What bothers me though is that his name is plastered on top of the DVD box whereas young Jack was the real "hero" with much more screentime and actual acting (yeah, I know it's for marketing reasons and whatnot, still). In general, those kids did a phenomenal job.
 
Saw this today as it has gone up on HBO Go. I missed it in the theaters and have been kicking myself since and even more after having to watch it on a 19 inch screen. I had a feeling I would love this film simply from the trailers and I couldn't have been more correct. This film blew me away. I had tears in my eyes a few times over the course of the film. The music, the imagery, the way they were put together to create an amazing audio-visual experience, the acting by the kids, so many things were simply sublime. I will add that Pitt and Chastain's characters each speak to qualities my parents had while I was growing up. I would agree with a review that said it was "2001 for the nuclear family". Malick did so many right things for me personally with this film.

I won't recommend it to everyone as I know it might not be everyone's preferred kind of film, and that is fine as we all get what we want out of certain films. But those who I know will enjoy it I will really push them to see it if they haven't. It is an amazing film and as soon as I have some disposable income I'm going to buy the Blu-Ray even though I'm sure a Criterion will be out eventually.

EDIT: Just read of a six-hour cut in the future. Bring it on. There are some pictures from the movie that were released that had no scenes matching with them, such as Penn sitting on the office floor with a mask by his side. We see it at the end of the movie, but it was definitely in a cut scene before the end.
 
Reading some of the positive responses here I may need to give this film a second chance. My Sister and I "almost" watched it but switched films when it was about twenty minutes in. I've obviously only seen those twenty minutes but as far as I remember it was just a load of random environmental shots without much film there.

Like I said might give this another chance when I have the time.
 
Well, I've had The Tree of Life on my list of movies to watch for a long time, so tonight I finally rented the blu-ray from the library and watched it.

Man, what a fucked up movie.

I get what Malick was going for, I really do, but....I just...didn't like it. At all. I felt the editing was disjointed and needlessly jarring. The whole creation and universe scenes just felt out of place to me. I mean I get what he was attempting to convey by throwing them in there, but in the context of the overall movie and "story" it just seemed bad to me. And I use the term "story" loosely, because the story was actually pretty unimpressive and small when you really take it on it's own. In fact the movie was more about expressing random emotions and beliefs in the form of film than actually telling a story if you ask me. And that's why I feel that it fails, because it didn't do those things well IMHO. The music was very good, and the cinematography was excellent as well, and honestly the effects of the creation montage were really superb. But none of those positives make it a good film in the overall sense. I felt bored, slightly confused at times, and just generally uninterested in it as I watched TToL.


Maybe to truly appreciate it one needs to be Christian / religious? I'm agnostic, perhaps that contributed to my dislike of the film? I don't know. Either way, I was left disappointed afterwards. I would have rather watched pretty much anything else.
 
WOW. pretty much an exact 2 year bump. bravo.

Great movie, if you didn't like it, thats fine, you shouldn't be forced to like it.

Malick films to me arent really about the story, but the feeling they convey. The emotions that they stir within you. It's the same as watching a Jackson Pollock painting. Not for everyone.

Scenes such as this one, just make me incredibly emotional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ld2tKLJMeo

Maybe rewatch it in a year or two. Who knows. It might hit you.
 
In fact the movie was more about expressing random emotions and beliefs in the form of film than actually telling a story if you ask me.

But you tell stories with emotions and belief, none of which in this movie are "random" anyway. Beyond the coming-of-age trappings, there's a pretty clear throughline of "why do bad things happen to good people?" running in and out of everything expressed in the film.

You don't need to be Christian or religious to appreciate the film any more than you need to be Christian or religious to appreciate Renaissance art or Christmas music. It might inform your appreciation of such things, or distract, but it's not a requirement. If you didn't like it, it's because you just didn't like it, not because you fail some religious litmus test.
 
I really liked 'Tree of Life' I understood what Malik was trying to do.

'To The Wonder' on the other hand....was not great, didn't make it through before turning it off
 
I agree with Kraftwerk's assessment. I'd like to see a Malick-approved cut with Sean Penn's story integrated. It would go far to mitigate the problems I have with the film, though I did enjoy it.
 
WOW. pretty much an exact 2 year bump. bravo.

Great movie, if you didn't like it, thats fine, you shouldn't be forced to like it.

Malick films to me arent really about the story, but the feeling they convey. The emotions that they stir within you. It's the same as watching a Jackson Pollock painting. Not for everyone.

Scenes such as this one, just make me incredibly emotional.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ld2tKLJMeo

Maybe rewatch it in a year or two. Who knows. It might hit you.

I agree completely. This film does a tremendous job at conveying very complex human emotions, and it's an all-around unique film. One of my all time favorites along with Gattaca.
 
I think the movie has a lot of problems, but the central part is so strong, the way it conveys the relationship between father and sons, even on a purely visceral level, it's one of the few films (or piece of art in general) that came close to make me tear up in real life.
 
This bump has made me set up some time tomorrow to rewatch this.

There are just so many moments in this film that leave me speechless.

Malick is a master of choosing what music plays during a scene. When the child is born and he is growing up, this choice was just divine;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRaiqYdqNc

I agree completely. scenes like the one you posted just let me stay in awe as they give me huge chills. I understand that the movie has its issues, and I for one would have loved if a malick had just made a family drama. As this may sound incredibly cheesy, no other director made me feel like he did. the beautiful scenes with off screen talking reminds me a log of poetry. thanks for the bump, as this movie is due to a rewatch.
 
This bump has made me set up some time tomorrow to rewatch this.

There are just so many moments in this film that leave me speechless.

Malick is a master of choosing what music plays during a scene. When the child is born and he is growing up, this choice was just divine;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRaiqYdqNc

Motherfucking Das Rheingold man.
One of the reasons why The New World is probably my favorite movie (or up there).

That finale... the feels.
And that lightning shot.
 
Motherfucking Das Rheingold man.
One of the reasons why The New World is probably my favorite movie (or up there).

That finale... the feels.
And that lightning shot.

Yup. Nothing has or probably will ever top The New World for me. I have commented on it multiple times, about how the ending affected me. I was literally, in every sense of the word shaking during the ending. I remember clenching my fists to stop my hands form shaking, and I decided to stand up to snap myself out of it, but my knees were also shaking, so i fell on my chair again.. I am not making this up. It was such a great moment. Make me tear up just thinking about it.

It was truly an experience I will never forget.
 
Well, I've had The Tree of Life on my list of movies to watch for a long time, so tonight I finally rented the blu-ray from the library and watched it.

Man, what a fucked up movie.

I get what Malick was going for, I really do, but....I just...didn't like it. At all. I felt the editing was disjointed and needlessly jarring. The whole creation and universe scenes just felt out of place to me. I mean I get what he was attempting to convey by throwing them in there, but in the context of the overall movie and "story" it just seemed bad to me. And I use the term "story" loosely, because the story was actually pretty unimpressive and small when you really take it on it's own. In fact the movie was more about expressing random emotions and beliefs in the form of film than actually telling a story if you ask me. And that's why I feel that it fails, because it didn't do those things well IMHO. The music was very good, and the cinematography was excellent as well, and honestly the effects of the creation montage were really superb. But none of those positives make it a good film in the overall sense. I felt bored, slightly confused at times, and just generally uninterested in it as I watched TToL.


Maybe to truly appreciate it one needs to be Christian / religious? I'm agnostic, perhaps that contributed to my dislike of the film? I don't know. Either way, I was left disappointed afterwards. I would have rather watched pretty much anything else.
I'm not religious and I appreciate the movie for the way some of the scenes are constructed. I'm not certain of this but I think my main problem is that everyone who matters aside from the dad is a delicate little flower where hardship is only a stumbling block to their ability embrace their graceful nature. The brother dies young but that's the peak of the hardship, and doesn't present them much aside from doubt in their faith. The dad capitulates after he is shit on by his employer. Sean Penn seems to be unhappy with his job. All to me while somewhat serious don't represent anything close to the pain experienced in everyday america or let alone other Bible stories where characters suffer extreme hardship and humiliation only to rise back up.
 
These were my immediate thoughts on the film after watching it:

It's an interesting film because it really lacks a plot. It displays the existential struggle of mankind in raw form, inviting you to make your own life the plot by revealing it in visceral representation. It raises many questions and makes few statements, but the statements it does make are beautiful.

It is important to see the narrative overlays with the different sections. Obviously throughout you have the nature vs grace concept, and especially represented in the mother and father, but there are others. The progression of life on earth and mass extinction is correlated with the progression of a single life. The questions raised by the rise and suffering of life are reflected in the rise and suffering of self awareness. The drive and failure to succeed in fatherhood is correlated with the natural creation and drive unto life which is all made futile in natural death. Yet the victory of the aspects of grace over the destructive natural drives by the manifestation of forgiveness is seen as a promise that grace also in some way has victory over the natural death, even that of the whole earth eventually.

It's hard to remember all the exact signals, but there is stuff like the buzzing and bells tolling which indicate passing of life, and perhaps arguably the school bells marking the passing of innocence. The washing over of water is also as a mark of death, in the case of the pool scene perhaps the death of faith. Yet rising from the water is also shown as the beginning of life, most obviously shown as the child rising out of a house underwater cutting to the mother giving birth. Yet the rising of the natural self is also shown as being hindered, shown by hinted entanglement in the plants underwater at the same time of moral entanglements. The music is an example of discipline manifest into beauty, a representation of the original dream of the father/natural creation and drives.

Moving away is a sign of accepting the failures of the natural in recognizing its true meaning, also reflected in everyone's attitudes, yet the destination is left mysterious. This is doubled over by the themes of the passing of a life and ones own life. The area where they go to meet the end is the same as where life itself was shown to begin. The brother is led there by his younger self, which says that his own journey of self awareness and moral development was guiding him to understand where he will go at the end. In that place the origins and intentions, the purposes and manifestations, the resolutions and hopes all meet together, so it has multiple generations shown in the same spot, and multiple representations of the same person.

Looking at that, I think with the mother accepting the passing of her son in trust, she has another woman behind her and a young girl in front of her. I think the other woman is what her mother was like when she was a child, and the child is her younger self. She is taking a similar journey that the brother just had, except instead of existentially questioning oneself, she is using it all to have hope that the life and death of her son was for ultimate good. Being the representation of grace, and her embracing the whole family and the younger and grown son at the end, a view to their unity in collective existence and fate, is why I think it is taken as a promise.

There is also a lot said in the fact of a brother dying and the nature of brotherhood, and looking at them at representations of the brotherhood of mankind in general, and looking at the parents not just as premises of existential questioning, but the facts of history of mankind, the traditions and philosophies that went into making us what we are, and how a look to our younger selves and the lessons we learned in the "childhood" of humanity may be a guide to seeing what overcomes all we wrestle with, and what guides us to find the unity of all that wrestles within us and hope in full view of our inescapable fate, which is made so visible by the death of innocents among us, especially in war.

Being a Malick film, I'm certain there is a lot more to be found in multiple viewings. And, like all his films, in one sense you may be uncertain how to feel, because there is no fully clear intention or direction behind all of its insights, so there can be no immediate satisfaction that it wrapped up every proposition it made. However, I think if you consider all the films you have viewed in your life, you will find very few have been so penetrating, insightful, and intimately familiar with and representative of the core of human experience. Some of those few may be other Malick films. For this, I can offer nothing but praise.
I feel like The New World is still better, the best film ever made, but I'm not sure because I've only seen The Tree of Life once while I've seen The New World like 8 times or so. The more I watched it, the more it opened up, and I feel the same would be true of The Tree of Life because that's just a Malick thing.

Something interesting to me is these films were much less specific in focus than his other films, hitting on wide ranges of life and humanity and philosophy, yet somehow he managed to make them both hit on mostly different aspects of everything. So you have these two huge masterwork films and they essentially run beside each other, wholly established in themselves with little crossover. It's amazing.
 
I agree completely. This film does a tremendous job at conveying very complex human emotions, and it's an all-around unique film. One of my all time favorites along with Gattaca.

There are just so many moments in this film that leave me speechless.

I guess this is why I disagree with most of you, I just don't feel that it did a good job of conveying the emotions the film was trying to convey, even though I understood what it was trying to do it all fell flat for me. I will agree it's a unique film, no question there, but for example that plane scene that Kraft posted above? While it gave Kraft chills it just didn't do much of anything for me emotionally other than the joy I felt being an aviation enthusiast (but that's not really what Malick was going for there). Honestly I get more joy out of the aviation scenes from movies like The Rocketeer or even The Aviator.

It kind of perplexes me that I didn't like it too, because normally I love the more artsy, slow, and cerebral movies. Films like The Fountain, Gattaca, Miller's Crossing, hell even AI are some of my favorite movies. But TToL, I just didn't like it at all. I liked certain aspects of it very much, but the overall package felt poorly edited and constructed to me. I feel like it could have been a much better film with a few changes and much better editing.

Ah well, that's why we are individuals I guess. :)
 
This is actually one of my personal favorites. The way they handled memories was almost perfect. It's a very beautiful film, somewhere very close to perfect, in my opinion.
 
I watched this in the cinema and got the blu ray for my birthday back when The Tree Of Life came out. Haven't watched it since, I really should. I remember liking this film a whole lot despite the slow pace and general weirdness.
 
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