Hero_of_the_Day
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Everyone just needs to stop picking on the poor guy. I mean it was three years ago, get over it. It's not like a year ago he hulked out on good morning america or anything. He's changed.
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The View: Chris Brown Could be a Role Model to Some Abuse Victims
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Perspicacity
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Such as?
Okay, but certainly none of us would put the onus on the victim or anyone else for not forgiving us. At least not publically as you suggested
Chris Brown, this thread is about him.
Bullshit. He had a number one single sooner after the assault than he had before it.
Nothing directly, I don't have a public platform and I don't work in law enforcement.
I do however volunteer my time to the local homeless + womens' shelter and donate to organizations that promote equality globally.
Hero_of_the_Day
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That window made him do it. He loves that window. He never meant to hurt it. He grew up in an enviroment where breaking windows was okay.
Hey maybe we should be more forgiving.
He has clearly shown remorse for his crime for which he has suffered so much.
Nah, fuck him.
Mercury Fred
Banned
She should be forced to hold an apple in her mouth every time she appears in public.
Angry Fork
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I remember there was someone here who constantly defended chris brown in some thread and eventually a mod put the TMZ rihanna picture as his avatar. That was lovely.
Yes i hope that happens to that douchebag in this thread who's been defending him. sonnyboy was it?
idk, I have mixed feelings about all of this. I believe at a point in time a person deserves forgiveness for something like this. he was a young guy when he committed the crime and I still think at that point in time he could still change and grow up into a good person. thing is he has done a couple things that still makes him look bad. remember when he busted out a bunch of windows at abc studios because they brought up his assault? role model isn't the word I would use but I think he may deserve forgiveness. hard for me to feel bad for him though since he comes across like a fucken douchebag.
For someone who has such a firm stance on this situation, it's surprising that you aren't even aware of the consequences he was given. I don't get how you can say that he didn't do enough and you don't even know what the hell he has done. LOLOL
Anyway Google is your friend...
Shouldve been lynched like the good ol' days.
BruiserBear
Banned
I think what some people fail to realize, is that while someone may have "paid their debt to society" in a legal sense, that doesn't mean everyone in the public has to accept them and welcome them back with open arms.
I understand and I agree with that. My personal opinion that humanity as a whole lacks compassion, forgivness, mercy for others is just that, my personal belief. Nothing more to do with this situation than another. It's not easy, it's not always possible, I get that. But what irks me is that complete lack of desire to forgive others. I totally get your point dude. Some people are just hateful, just to be hateful and that's scary and disturbing.
Not really. His first album after it still managed to sell decently and produced a few minor hits. And then Deuces, which was basically a fuck you song to Rihanna, came out barely a year after the case and gave him a huge hit.
RobotMafia
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Angry Fork
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I don't think Chris should've gotten another chance at limelight at all because of this. There are plenty of talented people who can sing/dance without beating the shit out of their significant other or being short tempered crazies. There are plenty of people who can sing and dance, just pick one out of a hat and replace him. He's no Michael Jackson or Prince his style is a dime a dozen so nothing is lost if he's gone from pop culture.
With that being said I think there is a point where people should lay off, I don't know when that point is and I personally think it's okay if people continue to rag on him, but people do stupid horrible shit sometimes and manage to change for the better later on. If they are truly remorseful and realize what a shitty person they were/are some people should be given a 2nd chance.
I don't think Brown deserves it right now and he's likely the same as he was back then, but a lot of people in this thread seem to be contributing to the witch hunt just for the sake of raging about some popular person rather than because they're truly hurt by what he did to Rihanna.
With that being said I think there is a point where people should lay off, I don't know when that point is and I personally think it's okay if people continue to rag on him, but people do stupid horrible shit sometimes and manage to change for the better later on. If they are truly remorseful and realize what a shitty person they were/are some people should be given a 2nd chance.
I don't think Brown deserves it right now and he's likely the same as he was back then, but a lot of people in this thread seem to be contributing to the witch hunt just for the sake of raging about some popular person rather than because they're truly hurt by what he did to Rihanna.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I am not apologizing for him at all, but that Rhianna relationship was a poison one for both sides with them getting physical with each other for most of it. I think he has legitimately learned that it was wrong and his temper issues do spawn from his upbringing. He is going to have to work through that just as any person who was not a celebrity would do. All indications are that he is a better man now, so good for him. Some people will never get past that one incident no matter what happens. If he and Rhianna get married next week, they will never forgive him. That is something he will live with, but at the end of the day I doubt it matters to him much. Rhianna and he have definitely moved on from it. If he is a better man now and they bth are better now, then that is all that matters.
I am more upset at the women who would stand in line to get beaten up by a celebrity just to say they did. Just like with R. Kelly, it seems many female fans just don't give a damn. The male singer could beat their mom, kill their dog and steal their car, but the women would still idolize him and want to sleep with him. It is a crazy phenomenon. Maybe it is the ultimate bad boy situation.
True but it's still lagging behind the heights that it'd be at, if he hadn't hit her. It impacted his career, to what degree is arguable. Did it impact it enough? That's arguable. I'm sure he lost any/all endorsement he had or that were on the table. He lost quite a few live performances and awards show appearances for quite some time.
I totally respect your opinion. However, you think that someone's ability to retain their "stardom" is dependent on how good they are? That's not realistic.
jordan0386
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Chris Brown is next in line, you know what im saying.
He messed up by beating up RiRi. But, he was already determined by the whos who to be next in line.
So to be surprised he still gets his push is stupid. He has a domestic violence charge to his name. Ok, bad guy lets move on.
One of you on this site watches child porn. Beat his girl. Stole. Racist. Etc. The elitist attitude has to stop.
Its a domestic violence charge. Yes, hitting women is bad. But we still have to move on.
He messed up by beating up RiRi. But, he was already determined by the whos who to be next in line.
So to be surprised he still gets his push is stupid. He has a domestic violence charge to his name. Ok, bad guy lets move on.
One of you on this site watches child porn. Beat his girl. Stole. Racist. Etc. The elitist attitude has to stop.
Its a domestic violence charge. Yes, hitting women is bad. But we still have to move on.
Don't talk about the Grammy's like that.
Dreams-Visions
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I would prefer that young men growing up in abuse situations use men who HAVENT BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF A WOMAN as role models.
You don't have to go through something to be able to be a role model. If she' a creationist, she should know that the messages of Jesus were given to the sick, hopeless, prostitutes, etc. without him ever having to live those lifestyles or experiences. Wisdom and example does not have to come from the kid who burns his hands on the stove.
TLDR; Chris Brown can kiss my ass. Let the role models be the men like me who are successful and haven't laid a hand on a woman. Or celebs like Denzel or...shit any of the other 95% (or whatever the % is) of men out there not hitting women.
You don't have to go through something to be able to be a role model. If she' a creationist, she should know that the messages of Jesus were given to the sick, hopeless, prostitutes, etc. without him ever having to live those lifestyles or experiences. Wisdom and example does not have to come from the kid who burns his hands on the stove.
TLDR; Chris Brown can kiss my ass. Let the role models be the men like me who are successful and haven't laid a hand on a woman. Or celebs like Denzel or...shit any of the other 95% (or whatever the % is) of men out there not hitting women.
Wiktor
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The thing is I'm not really sure it impacted his career negatively in the long run. Brown was in a dead-end career path the way he was going. It's clear he wanted to transition into the pop/hip hop pseudo bad boy he is now. I think that in the end the domestic abuse case let him switch into that easier than if he had kept his squeaky clean image.
Such an expectation is evident in him having the audacity to even try and propel himself back into the public eye, no?
Hero_of_the_Day
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Agree that at some point you just have to forgive someone, if they want it. I think that Good Morning American incident less than a year ago is why I'm still not going to stop talking shit about him. If two years later you can't keep your fucking cool, when you know the public eye is heavy on you, you need some more of those anger management courses.
Devolution
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Yeah I'm sure we're all just sitting around waiting to be forgiven for smacking the shit out of our S.O.
Absolutely true. But it did impact it and potentially could have ended it. He still had to successfully make the transition. But I totally agree with you. Thank you so much for an intelligent conversation, lmao.
You're missing my point. And I'm fine with that, I'm not one to try to really convince people. LOL
Was he supposed to just give up on life? If you were convicted of a crime, would you quit working in your field of choice? No, you'd try your best to get hired and do what you love. #shrug
Perspicacity
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Err, I was referring to your "Many other consequences" assertion. A slap on the wrist community service deal isn't "Many other consequences" and it certainly wasn't enough to deal with the dude's anger issues.
You seem to think this is about refusing to forgive a criminal, it isn't. It's the fact that he's genuinely remorseless and has set the example that there are virtually no consequences for assaulting women to the young men who look up to him.
This guy gets it:
Devolution
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I'm pretty sure most people were willing to leave it in the past until he went ape in an interview and proved he's an immature little shit with a temper problem, still.
Ya role model for everyone!
I hope karma gets that fucker. Hard and in the ass.
edit: beaten. Good more ppl have to see this.
I guess if you are "sexy", you can get away with murder
I have to say I laughed my ass off when Brown made his "comeback" performance at an award show a year or so after his "incident" and started to cry mercilessly to the point where he could barely form coherent words.
People (teenage girls) were cheering him on like their messiah had returned, and I couldn't help but try and think of that from the perspective of a victim of domestic violence. Yes please, continue to cheer on the guy who's father never hugged him so he beat the shit out of his girlfriend to the point where she was barely recognizable. What a champion and inspiration for us all.
People (teenage girls) were cheering him on like their messiah had returned, and I couldn't help but try and think of that from the perspective of a victim of domestic violence. Yes please, continue to cheer on the guy who's father never hugged him so he beat the shit out of his girlfriend to the point where she was barely recognizable. What a champion and inspiration for us all.
If I had a criminal record that would be pretty difficult. He can't expect something as serious as repeatedly assaulting someone to magically go away. Fair enough if he wants to be in the spotlight, but at the very least he should be prepared to talk about it without throwing himself out of a window.
ThisWreckage
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Women will stand by, and forgive, men for boorish/abusive behavior for many reasons. It's generally due to insecurities and self esteem issues. If the man is good looking or sufficiently talented it makes it even easier for them.
True. I forgot about that, as someone else mentioned to me a few lines above.
Dead Man Typing
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Love the speech, but the laughter feels phony and ruins what should be a poignant clip.
PhoenixDark
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I thought her argument wasn't bad, nor worthy of outrage. Basically the point is that as a victim of abuse, Brown may be a good cautionary tale and role model for kids who have gone through the same thing.
Personally I disagree because Brown has proven he hasn't been reformed, he's essentially been validated. Beating the shit out of a woman is not something you do and never have to speak of again, yet he acts like bringing it up is out of bounds or a violation of his privacy.
Personally I disagree because Brown has proven he hasn't been reformed, he's essentially been validated. Beating the shit out of a woman is not something you do and never have to speak of again, yet he acts like bringing it up is out of bounds or a violation of his privacy.
Dreams-Visions
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Agreed. Fine as a "cautionary tale", but he needs to be no role model.
Agreed. He can't be a role model because he failed at overcoming his problem in a very large way.
However, one can pity him and use him as the example of someone not to be.
Femmeworth
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They are not completely off the wall, but still...
Phonomezer
Banned
I like how Joy looked like she didn't agree with anything Shezza was saying.
Sherri is a thicko, she doesn't know if the Earth is flat , doesn't believe in science and believes that Jesus predates everything.
Sherri is a thicko, she doesn't know if the Earth is flat , doesn't believe in science and believes that Jesus predates everything.
Devolution
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God forbid they actually have some intellectually inclined women on that fucking show.
The Faceless Master
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i was never a fan of or liked chris brown, but all the haters are starting to push me to his side. it's like he's some special kind of abuser that gets more hate than ike turner!
WAT
Devolution
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Ike Turner was a piece of shit. Miles Davis was a total abusive asshole too. But these are people in the past, you aren't going to hear much about them now.
I really hope you're not reading too much into that.
The Faceless Master
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at least he didn't hit a human!
TestOfTide
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you can tell right before each dumb thing she says that everyone else is thinking "please don't say something stupid. for the love of god don't say something stupid."
The Faceless Master
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yeah, there are plenty of people who can sing and dance, but how many of them can connect with their fans and sell?
which i really don't get by the way... so many women were jumping to defend him from day one and never wavered, it just hurt my head at how they would so quickly defend the dude... but now it's been so long that it seems that anyone still holding a grudge is just salty that chris brown is a celeb and they aren't.
the problem is young WOMEN looking up to him as a role model. and a sex symbol.
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