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Loved the premiere, I am a fan of survival/end of days type stories, count me in for the rest of the series.
edit: the zombie makeup was phenomenal holy shit!
edit: the zombie makeup was phenomenal holy shit!
gdt5016 said:GAFfers expecting lots of horror might want to adjust their expectations a bit. The book isn't horror at all, really. Very, very rarely does it try to scare you.
The show has already been stuffed with more horror than the book ever has, so I think Darabont wants to ratchet up those elements a bit.
big ander said:Ugh digital downloading is so dumb. I can get it on Amazon VOD in HD and only be able to watch it when connected to the internet and be able to take screencaps of it, or I can get it on iTunes in HD and be able to watch it ANYWHERE but not take screencaps.
Stupid Amazon not allowing downloads to mac.
LiquidMetal14 said:Why was he spared?
RustyO said:Couldn't hit the side of a barn.
awwwwww :lolCornballer said:
BattleMonkey said:I didn't say it was "good" dialogue, and I myself think it's too preachy/talky. But I've seen many people defend it and anything Kirkman writes so *shrug* "zomg so deep"
Discotheque said:Aww man. Now that just makes me even more sad that the Horse got killed![]()
So Amazon.com and iTunes have it for sale. Are they the same price? Same video quality?The Lamonster said:Can I watch a high quality stream anywhere like amc.com or Hulu? These sites are blocked at my work so I can't check.
Confidence Man said:Was it just me or did the main character not seem all that freaked out about the situation he woke up to? I mean, you come across this door that says not to open it because the dead are inside, but you see a hand reaching out. I would think a normal reaction would be to assume there was someone that wasn't actually dead but got trapped in there, given he didn't know about zombies yet. Did he even yell Hello? I don't remember.
Confidence Man said:Was it just me or did the main character not seem all that freaked out about the situation he woke up to? I mean, you come across this door that says not to open it because the dead are inside, but you see a hand reaching out. I would think a normal reaction would be to assume there was someone that wasn't actually dead but got trapped in there, given he didn't know about zombies yet. Did he even yell Hello? I don't remember.
BenjaminBirdie said:This show isn't supposed to be scary any more than The Sopranos is supposed to be about whacking people. It's tense as hell, as it's supposed to be. It's a television show, not like Saw 3-D or something.
'The Walking Dead': Comic book series creator Robert Kirkman answers our questions about last night's shocking pilot
by Clark Collis
Last night, AMC screened the pilot of new show The Walking Dead, in which Andrew Lincolns small town Georgia sheriff Rick Grimes desperately attempts to reunite with his family in a zombie apocalypse. The result was an epic start to this adaptation of Robert Kirkmans long-running comicand an amazingly horrific display by TV standards.
How did pilot director Frank Darabont get away with featuring so much bloody mayhem? Will a knowledge of the original comic series help viewers guess which characters are going to live and which become undead chow? And was that really Jim Carrey cameo-ing as a zombie?
After the jump, Robert Kirkmanwho is also one of the writers on the show and a Walking Dead executive producertackles these questions and more. Though, be warned, at times the conversation leans toward the gory and, if you havent yet seen the pilot, spoilery.
Entertainment Weekly: Im guessing the Walking Dead pilot is the first to open with the hero shooting a cuteif admittedly zombiefiedlittle girl in the head.
Robert Kirkman: That could be a first possibly, yeah.
EW: Even your original comic didnt kick off in such a brutal fashion. Was there much discussion about that whether that was a good idea?
RK: You know, it was just something Frank put into the script. At no point did AMC say, Yeah, maybe we shouldnt be doing this. So I guess because it was treated like it wasnt a big deal, it didnt really occur to me how bold that was until I was on set. It was always a question as to how much of that they were going to show, and AMC has surprised us with everything that theyre allowing us to do. There was a plan at one point to shoot a lot of gorewhich is what we didbut the original plan was to have re-edited versions of the episodes, that would go on DVD. But at this point, AMC hasnt really made us pull anything.
EW: The kid was wearing rabbit ear slippers, for goodness sake!
RK: Well, Frank is very demented.
EW: Then the show cut back in time to a long conversation about women between Rick Grimes and his fellow cop, Shane (Jon Bernthal). Its like the first scene was saying, Hey, if you dont like zombie movies, then switch over to Brothers and Sisters, but the second sequence made clear that this is not just going to be a show about people plunging axes into zombies heads.
RK: Yeah. Its a very cool juxtaposition [that explains] what this show is going to be. The
show is going to serve a lot of masters. Theres going to be very straight human drama stuff, and then theres going to be very graphic, crazy zombie stuff. And its neat that in the first minutes of the first episode you get a sense of exactly what the show is going to be bringing you, week after week.
EW: I suspect a lot of people who are coming across the story of The Walking Dead for the first time would have thought that the guy-wakes-from-coma-to-discover-that-the-world-has-been-overrun-by-zombies plot was very similar to 28 Days Later. Presumably you had seen that film when you wrote the first issue of the comic?
RK: No. Welcome to my life seven years ago. It was complete coincidence. I saw 28 Days Later shortly before the first issue of Walking Dead was released. That first issue came out in October of 2003 and 28 Days Later was released in the States in June of 2003. So we were working on our second issue by the time I saw it. It was going to be a matter of somehow trying to restage the entire first issue, because it was a very similar coma opening. I made a decisionwhich I pretty much regret at this pointI said, You know what? Its so different [from that point on], I will probably never hear anything about this.
And I was wrong.
EW: So when you saw the movie you must have thought, Oh s!
RK: Yeah. It was a little annoying. But great minds think alike, right?
EW: A colleague of mind who saw the pilot, and is unfamiliar with the zombie genre, couldnt believe that Rick didnt spend more time going So, what exactly happened while I was in a coma? He doesnt seem to show a lot of interest in the details of how the entire world fell apart.
RK: Well, he has a lot distracting him. He has a wife and son thats out there and right now hes focusing on that. As the show progresses, youll see that Rick is a very one-track-mind kind of guy. Hes not going to stand around and go, Well, Im going to find my wife and son, but first we need to find out what all these dead people are doing. Plus, if something like this were to really happen, the people in Georgia arent going to walk out of their houses and say, We need to get to the bottom of this! Pardon my French, but thats like a bulls action movie kind of stance. Thats not how it would be. The main worry would be, How are we going to survive today? How are we going to find food? How are we going to protect ourselves? People would just assume that the government was trying to do something. Or they would just assume that there was nothing we could do.
EW: Its interesting, because Ricks a cop, but hes clearly not John McClane.
RK: Rick is a much more realistic police office. I always kind of pictured that Rick Grimes was not a police officer that had used his gun very often. He was just one of those guys that basically just walks by the local malt shop and made sure the kids were getting home on time.
EW: There was one zombie in the show that looked just like Jim Carrey, who worked with Frank Darabont on The Majestic. Can you confirm whether or not that was a cameo from Ace Ventura?
RK: Its not Jim Carrey at all. And dammit, most days I remember that guys name. Hes a great guy. Ive met him a few times. He works for [visual effects company] KNB. He appears like maybe four times as different zombies in the six episodes.
EW: Also, one of the first zombies we saw in the episode had no legs. Was that CGI or did you use an amputee actor?
RK: That was completely CGI. The woman was wearing basically blue stockings and then everything was cleaned out. There is an alarming amount of CGI in the pilot episode and in the whole show, and you would never know it. The company, Stargate, that does it, does a lot of CGI for television, and they do an amazing job. Theres a shot where Rick is riding off on the horse and his hat actually blew off, and they really liked that shot, and so they had Stargate go in and digitally put the hat back on his head.
EW: We also discovered in the pilot that zombies love eating horses, which is a departure from the undead mythology as set out in George A. Romeros zombie films. In fact, as Im sure you know, in Romeros most recent zombie movie, Survival of the Dead, they spend a long time trying to persuade one of the zombies to eat a horse.
RK: Yes, that is true. Anecdotally, that is actually the exact same horse.
EW: Really?
RK: Yeah, yeah, the trained horse in the Walking Dead pilot and is the exact same horse from Survival of the Dead. But again, similar to the 28 Days Later situation, the zombies-eating-the-horse thing was in The Walking Dead seven years ago. So, screw you George Romero! [Laughs]
EW: In the comic book, the affair between Ricks wife Lori and Shane is over by the time we catch up with the characters. But in the show, theyre depicted as still together. Why?
RK: Well, I didnt know how long the comic book series was going to last. I hoped that it would become a success and survive for years and years. But at that time in my career, it was very early, I had had a lot of books canceled, just because of poor sales. So early on in the book I would move past storylines very quickly. I set up this love triangle and I resolved that story and moved along within the first [few] issues. But theres a lot of story potential to mine there. One of the things that the TV show is able to do is to look at the comic book series with hindsight and go, This would probably be something that we could explore more. And thats what were going to be doing. So well be seeing a lot more of the Lori-Shane-Rick love triangle.
EW: Im very familiar with your still ongoing comic series. So, how confident should I be that I know which characters are going to survive for a long time?
RK: Not. Confident. At all. One of the best aspects of the comic book series is, when you sit down to read an issue, you really have no idea whats going to happen. Anybody could go at any moment. Theres really no sense of safety in the comic book at all. And I wanted to preserve that for the television show. If people on the show have ideas for different things to happen, I encourage that. I want people to be as surprised by the show as they are by the comic book series.
Confidence Man said:Was it just me or did the main character not seem all that freaked out about the situation he woke up to? I mean, you come across this door that says not to open it because the dead are inside, but you see a hand reaching out. I would think a normal reaction would be to assume there was someone that wasn't actually dead but got trapped in there, given he didn't know about zombies yet. Did he even yell Hello? I don't remember.
Replicant said:I hope they're not straying from the comic too much. I don't want them to start randomly killing characters that are not dead in the comic book just for the sake of surprise. Or letting those who are dead to continue living for a long period of time. I don't want that.
demosthenes said:One thing I've always wondered about zombies. Say we have zombie 0, the first person. He finds person 1 and starts munching on him. What makes him stop? Wouldn't he keep eating until there was nothing left to eat on?
I don't think you could eat an entire person. Also, I don think Zombies eat with any particular purpose in mind. The parasite or contagion either evolved or was designed to cause zombification to happen in order to spread itself to as many corpses as it possibly candemosthenes said:What the hell? No way. I'd be out of there in a second :lol
I really liked the episode, definitely the new thing to do on Sunday @ 10pm with the girlfriend!
1) The shoot out...like some have said, A LOT OF BULLETS.
2) Being in a coma for a month at least and no IV but still alive? We know it was a month because the gas had been off for a month according to the guy that found him, forgot his name. So I'm assuming this happened at least a month ago.
The poor horse![]()
Awesome picture though.
One thing I've always wondered about zombies. Say we have zombie 0, the first person. He finds person 1 and starts munching on him. What makes him stop? Wouldn't he keep eating until there was nothing left to eat on?
Xater said:Maybe zombie 0 did not kill the person? Also who says the initial outbreak was just one person?
Xater said:Maybe zombie 0 did not kill the person? Also who says the initial outbreak was just one person?
Shinjitsu said:Zombies in Walking Dead are just made upon human death, ANY death.
ElectricBlue187 said:I don't think you could eat an entire person. Also, I don think Zombies eat with any particular purpose in mind. The parasite or contagion either evolved or was designed to cause zombification to happen in order to spread itself to as many corpses as it possibly can
gdt5016 said:Eh, I'm fine if they do that. I'm not that much of a purist, I can live with a different take.
There are SOME things they better not fuck with though!
Tim-E said:I'm kind of glad I'm not familiar with the comic going into the series. I feel like I'll have more fun with the show itself and not be constantly thinking about what happens in the comic or what has changed in the transition from print to screen.
Shinjitsu said:Zombies in Walking Dead are just made upon human death, ANY death.
Xater said:The parasite thing does make sense but you also have to think of the human survival instinct. Alot of people probably barely escape a zombie and therefor get turned. In the beginning you also have to factor in the suprise. People were probably bitten out of nowhere and no one knew what they were dealing with. Stuff like this has to be learned and then the news also has to travel around.
Shinjitsu said:Zombies in Walking Dead are just made upon human death, ANY death.
MidnightRider said:This is how all Zombies are supposed to be taken I thought.
If you die. You come back to life. No matter if you were bitten prior or not.
Xater said:Now I want to read World War Z again. That book was pretty awesome at explaining how such an outbreak might happen.
MidnightRider said:This is how all Zombies are supposed to be taken I thought.
If you die. You come back to life. No matter if you were bitten prior or not.
demosthenes said:Well something has to get IN you to do it, right?
Also, can anyone explain to me why in no zombie movie I've seen nobody has ever heard of zombies? Do video games and movies not exist in their worlds?
I've wanted to read World War Z for a while, good read?
MidnightRider said:Get Day by Day Armageddon. Both of them. It's written in the style of someones journal they are keeping through the Zombie breakout.
Amazing read. really gets you into the story where as World War Z bounces around between different people.
EDIT**** Also in Day by Day thereis a submarine out in the water where people are dying from natural causes and not coming back to life....
but once the sub surfaced any dead on the ship came back to life. Fucking nuts.
demosthenes said:Well something has to get IN you to do it, right?
demosthenes said:Also, can anyone explain to me why in no zombie movie I've seen nobody has ever heard of zombies? Do video games and movies not exist in their worlds?
demosthenes said:I've wanted to read World War Z for a while, good read?
YuriLowell said:Love the comic, but this shit is just slow and plodding.
I hope it picks up.
YuriLowell said:Love the comic, but this shit is just slow and plodding.
I hope it picks up.
YuriLowell said:Love the comic, but this shit is just slow and plodding.
I hope it picks up.
Shinjitsu said:This starts off almost exactly like the comic...
BenjaminBirdie said:A comic which is very frequently slow and plodding.
But man, I really love the King feel to the whole show. Imagining seasons and seasons of this kind of thing is just...so rad.
demosthenes said:Also, can anyone explain to me why in no zombie movie I've seen nobody has ever heard of zombies? Do video games and movies not exist in their worlds?