Dick Justice
Banned
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The Walking Dead Season 2 SPOILERS Thread!
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Don't worry, I'm sure Telltale will set off a nuke in Season 3 so they don't matter too much.
jediyoshi
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Bah, choices didn't load, thanks for posting. Only 19% w/ jane and family? Crazy.
Ok you know what screw this game. I mean I like it, don't get me wrong, I feel strongly about the characters. It's just this game constantly punishes you for doing the right thing and at this point I don't give a shit who remembers what I did because by the end they are all going to be dead anyways so who gives a crap.
First chance I get in Season 3 i'm hunting that punk ass Arvo down. I was nice to him when I first met him, then the fucker lies and says I stole shit when I clearly gave it back and was a dick ever since. Yea Kenny beat up on him but your group was going to rob and kill us so what.
I ended up shooting Kenny because good lord I got tired of having to defend his ass for every stupid shitting thing he does just because we were sort of kind of friends in the 1st season. Ended up going with Jane because screw it, this game obviously wants you to just be a cold ass killer so fine, thats what i'm going to be. I let the family in just to use them as human shields as I build up my new fort and become the new Governor. BUHAHAHAHA.
First chance I get in Season 3 i'm hunting that punk ass Arvo down. I was nice to him when I first met him, then the fucker lies and says I stole shit when I clearly gave it back and was a dick ever since. Yea Kenny beat up on him but your group was going to rob and kill us so what.
I ended up shooting Kenny because good lord I got tired of having to defend his ass for every stupid shitting thing he does just because we were sort of kind of friends in the 1st season. Ended up going with Jane because screw it, this game obviously wants you to just be a cold ass killer so fine, thats what i'm going to be. I let the family in just to use them as human shields as I build up my new fort and become the new Governor. BUHAHAHAHA.
AgentClassy
Member
lol True True
Just finished. Man..
Up until now I hadn't enjoyed season 2 as much as season 1, but episode 5 blew me away. Really hate that Luke didn't make it. Started to realize that maybe Kenny was too far gone, though I don't want to believe it. I still let him kill Jane because she made us think that the baby was dead/maybe she even killed him. But when we found the baby I told Kenny she didn't have to die and he said he just lost it.
Then I said, "You're dangerous, Kenny."
And he said, "I know, but I'm working on it."
And that was when I knew.
I said, "We'll get through this." But I don't think me or Clementine believed it.
Then when we got to Wellington and Kenny begged that woman to just take the kids...
Manly tears.
I hated to let Kenny go but I thought Wellington was the best chance for Clem and AJ.
Up until now I hadn't enjoyed season 2 as much as season 1, but episode 5 blew me away. Really hate that Luke didn't make it. Started to realize that maybe Kenny was too far gone, though I don't want to believe it. I still let him kill Jane because she made us think that the baby was dead/maybe she even killed him. But when we found the baby I told Kenny she didn't have to die and he said he just lost it.
Then I said, "You're dangerous, Kenny."
And he said, "I know, but I'm working on it."
And that was when I knew.
I said, "We'll get through this." But I don't think me or Clementine believed it.
Then when we got to Wellington and Kenny begged that woman to just take the kids...
Manly tears.
I hated to let Kenny go but I thought Wellington was the best chance for Clem and AJ.
NoSkillz187
Member
I swear if I see Arvo in S3 and there is a choice to kill him he is a dead motherfucker. What the hell was his problem with Clem? Why did he shoot her? I was nice to him at every opportunity, but he shoots Clem? Fuck him and Bonnie.
nckillthegrimace
Member
I thought he redeemed himself and completed his character arc when he went back for Ben/Christa in season 1, but, oops, I guess that didn't take.
jediyoshi
Member
Under the former's logic, you're no better than Kenny at his worst at that point. For how explicit that they telegraphed from Jane before the fight scene that she was actually up to something, it seemed like a safe bet to assume there was more going on with the baby.
Dick Justice
Banned
I thought it was pretty fucking ridiculous how hard everyone apart from Kenny was trying to defend Arvo, despite the whole shootout at the start. It's like everyone had a sudden brain fart, and thought Kenny was being irrational for not trusting the guy (rightly so in the end).
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
Eh... Her decisions were Logical. Logical and nice aren't the same thing though. I'd want kind, human Clem before I want mean, detached, survivor Clem.
Choosing Kenny also seems to give Clem a happier ending, honestly.
Wellington > Some dumb, untrustworthy family whose going to die in a week.
must be clem in season 3 so I can run into bonny, mike, and arvo and kill them. Thats who I thought was approaching howes when clem and jane were on the roof. was excited to get my revenge, and disappointed it was some family of murderers who I let in anyway. cause... why not?
and does clem got shot no matter what you do?
and does clem got shot no matter what you do?
I didn't say her actions in the end were rational, just, justified. I said she was an overall rational person. Her plan was incredibly stupid.
I don't feel that the rational choice would be to say nothing, though. That is what you are asking her to do, since any opinion from her or the group that left them, angered Kenny. She was going by what she knew was logical and Kenny wasn't. How is it rational to stay with or let a man lead 2 children to what may be their deaths? She couldn't talk him out of the plan of going to Wellington, a place they weren't certain of and she knew Kenny would not let her take the baby.
Sooo, you knew that Jane was lying from the get-go? Did you choose to side with Kenny first-go? Because if you chose to side with Kenny and didn't know the baby was alive, I am not sure how you would be saying "what Jane did was wrong". Unless you are referring to her other actions.
Also, you are trying to say that the lack of true character development and bonding had no effect on people's later decision? I said that because of this, it do not blur the lines and cause people to choose Kenny based on emotional, not true logical or moral thought.
Letting a guy kill someone else for what happened in this story, is not moral either. It isn't like she was trying to kill, Kenny with her plan. She also showed no malice. Your opinion on that is odd to me
You know if the baby starts crying in the horde they are both fucked.
Sort of weird Clem didn't look for a way around.
That ending implies that Clem is a seasoned survivor with the ability to make it on her own. She's grown very strong since she was introduced in S1.
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
I knew shit was fishy. Regardless of the knowledge I had at the time, Jane's actions were wrong.
-If Kenny's assumption was right and she had killed that baby even if accidentally, she deserved her fate.
-Since the baby was fine and the entire confrontation and her death was a result of her baiting Kenny into violence with a cruel trick, she deserves her fate.
Regardless of knowledge possessed before and after finding out the baby was Alive, Jane's actions, in my opinion, were unjustifiable.
Don't you judge me! She was the problem! After that stunt she deserved to die! I did the right thing! I-
Sorry. Kenny's rubbing off on me.
I did say she was mean, but there is a difference between mean and cold. If she was cold, she would have left the group despite hearing the gun shots. If she was cold she would of robbed Arvo even when Clem said no, if she was cold, she would of left Sarah (potential 2 times for her to do this), if she was cold, she wouldn't be trying to open Clem's eyes.
She wasn't telling Clem, don't care. She was telling Clem to be prepared to make tough decisions including having to abandon people she cares about. She tried the "don't care" approach and couldn't bring herself to do it when it came to Clem. So that also shows she is more affectionate than people are giving her credit for.
I just don't understand why side with an unstable guy, despite knowing his instability and controlling issues even in S1 just because of a well-intended, but stupid plan gone wrong.
Part of the reason as I mentioned before, is the bond Kenny has with players, that most characters (if not all) did not get throughout S2. This is why most players, despite saying killing Kenny to save Jane was a moral choice, was not a satisfactory ending. Also the fact that they went back to Carver's place. You don't have to go with Jane, I am saying, letting Kenny kill Jane is not justifiable in any way. Personal morality does not matter, he killed her in his rage when she had no killing intent for him.
Disagree on all accounts, I hope you don't ever be on a jury or become a judge. I fail to see how a person deserves death for such a justifiable action.
Accidentally killed or let a baby get killed during a walker attack - Death sentence, you're honor!
Do conspiracy in hopes of waking up Clem to reality of a situation - Death sentence, you're honor!
You do know, you should judge a persons' actions along with the motive, right? If she was trying to kill Kenny, I would agree with you, but it was obvious she wasn't.
Wait, do you even know why she did what she did?
Dick Justice
Banned
She knew what he was capable of, considering how she'd been drilling it into Clem's skull repeatedly. She knew how fucked up he was as a result of seeing loved ones die, so she knew that pretending that she caused the death of AJ would result in him going berserk.
Tl;Dr - Kenny Rules, Jane drools. Literally.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
Stuck with Jane and let the family in. The father was clearly worrisome on first impression with all the moves towards the gun, but I figured the mom and kid would have reacted more if they thought he might actually start something. The mom seemed genuinely thankful and the kid was near Clem's age, so even if the dad had bad motives to begin with, I was hopeful that he would turn around.
Knew exactly what Jane was up to almost instantaneously and was surprised she didn't trust Clem enough to tell her outright. Though I guess that depends on how your relationship unfolded. Way it seemed to go with me was Jane slowly realizing she didn't want to be alone all the time and that she really cared about Clem. Jane had a hard shell but a softer center. Kenny was just breaking down farther and farther as things moved along, told everyone to fuck off when we voted about where to go, saw no difference between beating Carver to death and Arvo, losing it over repairing a car. Jane made what I thought was a poignant insult when she said that it was Kenny who was truly the self-centered one on the inside.
Really annoyed that Mike/Bonnie didn't even talk to Jane/Clem about leaving. Bonnie even asked Clem to talk sense into Kenny when he was alone in the truck, would have been a perfect time for the group to discuss ditching Kenny if they were planning it then. And bringing Arvo and giving him a gun? Seriously? I'll happily argue for why we shouldn't kill him or beat him up, but that sure as hell don't mean I'm going to give him a gun or leave him untied.
Knew exactly what Jane was up to almost instantaneously and was surprised she didn't trust Clem enough to tell her outright. Though I guess that depends on how your relationship unfolded. Way it seemed to go with me was Jane slowly realizing she didn't want to be alone all the time and that she really cared about Clem. Jane had a hard shell but a softer center. Kenny was just breaking down farther and farther as things moved along, told everyone to fuck off when we voted about where to go, saw no difference between beating Carver to death and Arvo, losing it over repairing a car. Jane made what I thought was a poignant insult when she said that it was Kenny who was truly the self-centered one on the inside.
Really annoyed that Mike/Bonnie didn't even talk to Jane/Clem about leaving. Bonnie even asked Clem to talk sense into Kenny when he was alone in the truck, would have been a perfect time for the group to discuss ditching Kenny if they were planning it then. And bringing Arvo and giving him a gun? Seriously? I'll happily argue for why we shouldn't kill him or beat him up, but that sure as hell don't mean I'm going to give him a gun or leave him untied.
Ultimadrago
Member
That was a surprisingly strong finale for what was generally a weak season. I left simultaneously impressed that it went out as well as it did and yet disappointed that the quality wasn't to that level for most of the season. Best episode of the bunch by a fair margin and, sans Lee's scene of slumber, a better finale than Season 1 had.
I'll get Season 3, but this season didn't fill me with much confidence. It'll likely be the boiling point that decides whether I stick with it or drop/delay future seasons (assuming there are more).
Also 100% for Jane! The game makes it obvious about her lying about AJ and I was down for the plan. Previous to that confrontation I did give Kenny plentiful leeway this season, as he certainly has a soft side for Clem, but that guy needed to be put down.
It's alright, Kenny. You can rest now.
I'll get Season 3, but this season didn't fill me with much confidence. It'll likely be the boiling point that decides whether I stick with it or drop/delay future seasons (assuming there are more).
Also 100% for Jane! The game makes it obvious about her lying about AJ and I was down for the plan. Previous to that confrontation I did give Kenny plentiful leeway this season, as he certainly has a soft side for Clem, but that guy needed to be put down.
It's alright, Kenny. You can rest now.
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
Regarding her Coldness (or lack of coldness):
I'm not calling her the devil, but for all the things you mentioned she didn't do, those were all things she considered doing. She proposed robbing Arvo, she wanted to Leave Sarah, she considered leaving clem early in epi 4, she considered telling a family with a kid to fuck off in her ending. From day 1, she showed a lack of interest in the Baby's future. Admittedly,Perhaps this wasn't a lack of caring but was just the expression of her more realistic outlook on the world.
Kenny might be unstable with others. My concern isn't really with that. Kenny isn't touching me. He cares for Clementine and I really can't imagine him ever stepping over the line of yelling at her. I'm not denying that I don't have an emotional connection with the guy because of the time spent with him, but along with that connection comes an strong loathing of Jane. That (Jane's persona and her actions) is the primary reason I made the choices I did.
jacksepticeye
Member
Killed Kenny
Stayed with Jane
Let the family in
Felt bad when I saw only 19% of people picked to "Stay with Jane" lol I felt bad killing Kenny but he had it coming, he was spiraling out of control and even he admitted I made the right choice in the end
Stayed with Jane
Let the family in
Felt bad when I saw only 19% of people picked to "Stay with Jane" lol I felt bad killing Kenny but he had it coming, he was spiraling out of control and even he admitted I made the right choice in the end
Ultimadrago
Member
Also fucking Bonnie always the first to bark orders at Clem. I wish Clem had an opportunity to take her out.
Edit 1: My results screen won't show up. :S Hope it's just a temporary thing like last time.
Edit 2: Okay, got 'em working again.
Edit 1: My results screen won't show up. :S Hope it's just a temporary thing like last time.
Edit 2: Okay, got 'em working again.
Dick Justice
Banned
I decided to be an asshole to her after she ratted us out to Carver. Then she slowly warmed on me. Then she turned into a gigantic cunt because I wasn't stupid enough to kill myself trying to save Luke. Then she tells Mike to leave me after that Russian fuck shot me. Fuck her.
That ending was TElltale telling anyone who got it they had a brainfart but they had to keep her alive since it seems Season 3 will be another walking with Clementine.
Love Deterrence
Member
I wanted to end all of the characters... especially Arvo. What an episode! Season three will be great.
Only 19% picked the Carver ending because well, its the bad ending its the ending that makes everyone´s death and also the escape meaningless and also leaves you with Jane a sociopath who will leave the instant it becomes more beneficial for her.
I agree, she knew what he was capable of, that is one reason it was a stupid plan. If Clem can watch Kenny beat a teenager (looks like teenager) near death, beat Carver to death, abuse a dead walker, and get into constant power struggles with the other groups and not feel that he is unstable, then what else you suggest she do? Other than leaving Clem and a baby with what she viewed as an unstable man that might lead them to death?
Unfortunately Telltale, does not give us an option to leave Kenny until, Jane hatches the plan. Due to this, i am just going with the assumption, that Clem was turning a blind eye to it. Reminds you of certain people following certain leaders?
She is completely justified, as her intentions were fair, despite terrible planning and execution. I think she thought she could handle, Kenny. Clem, intervening did not help.
ahh, question... What happens if you do not intervene in the fight at all?
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
This man gets it.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
I always looked at Jane by considering how her sister died. Jane adopted the cynical/loner perspective after realizing her sister just wanted to die and that Jane was prolonging her suffering by forcing her to survive. But as she develops with Clem (again, assuming you take the relationship that way), she learns to start to want to be with people again. Jane wanted to leave Sarah because she saw her sister in her, but she still risks her life to try to save Sarah later if you ask her to. Many of the types of decisions she considers/proposes are no different than ones Kenny did in Season 1. The only reason she abandoned the group temporarily was because she was so afraid of having to watch Clem die, and she didn't want to go through that loss again.
Dick Justice
Banned
I dunno about that. She seems overly attached to Clem if you decide to leave her.
harriet the spy
Member
Kenny totally deserved to die. Even if you're pissed at Jane for her trick, you couldn't have known at the moment of the choice. Killing her for the accident (there is no reason at all to believe she'd have killed the baby intentionally) is way overboard, and deserved a bullet. Plus the man was clearly in pain, so it's not like I was really feeling bad about killing him.
I generally played both seasons as mr. empathy/sucker (even let ben stick around till the end), but for some reason, I really didn't like Arvo. I would have liked to be given the choice to ditch him immediately.
edit: plus i'd rather be left alone than bossed around like Kenny did all the fucking time. god what an asshole.
edit2: bonnie is a fucking bitch.
I generally played both seasons as mr. empathy/sucker (even let ben stick around till the end), but for some reason, I really didn't like Arvo. I would have liked to be given the choice to ditch him immediately.
edit: plus i'd rather be left alone than bossed around like Kenny did all the fucking time. god what an asshole.
edit2: bonnie is a fucking bitch.
Is this the first major split in story choices they have done yet? I'm seeing some people went to Wellington and met some people, were those people a kid, a mom named Patricia and a man? I just can't see them having two different diverging possible stories for Season 3 so i'm trying to figure out how they will start it off bringing people to the same place despite their choice.
Ultimadrago
Member
Calling it now, whoever you left with dies instantly and you are teleported to Texas at the beginning of Season 3 by space zombies. No questions asked!
This is exactly what it was, it isn't that she didn't care, its that she knew that tough choices have to be made. She saw people making emotional choices and die as a result. She was tired of that. Her story to Clem, in ep 5 explains it.
She considered it but didn't fall through, that is the act of a compassionate person, trying to do what is right but also what is realistic. To be cold is to make decisions without a care for consequences. Kenny cared about the consequences only when it came his way, not before he makes the act exception of risking those he actually care about.
You could always do the right thing, kill Kenny and leave Jane, you know. She did not deserve death for a botched attempt at what she felt was rescuing Clem and the baby. Like I said though, that ending wasn't so good due to terrible character dev.
Kenny was a good guy who truly protected what he cared for, but it doesn't change the fact that even people like Kenny, can snap on these very people and cause they're deaths. Doesn't even have to be him snapping on them, he can do something rash that indirectly cause their deaths.
jacksepticeye
Member
You say that yet she came back and didn't leave after Luke died or the other people left and she was only with Clem and Kenny whom she hates and she had a chance to leave in the snow at the end and never come back but she did. She redeemed herself a few times.
Also "bad" is sort of left up for you to decide isn't it? I have more people in my group with a better chance of survival now (maybe) because I stayed with her and let the family in. Plus people make all sorts of choices in these games for different reasons, some panic, some pick the worst or best to get extreme outcomes and test the game etc. There's no definitive way of saying "they picked this cos they thought the other was bad" Also isn't there multiple endings splitting that percentage up even more?
The percentage doesn't support anything. Which is the ending with the highest percentage?
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
I entirely understand where you're saying now with the sole exception that Kenny could somehow snap on Clem and bring her harm. I can't see that happening and it didn't happen. I don't see how shooting Kenny is at all the right decision. Jane rocked the boat in a way she shouldn't have and had no right to. Clem has a better life in the long run if she goes with Kenny. Wellington, man.
I honestly dont get why anyone would pick Jane who again and again told that you are only useful as long as you can carry your own weight, and the instant you become a burden you are left to die.
Also did you miss the symbolic in the endings? Wellington with Kenny and Carver´s town with Jane. I dont think it can be more obvious that the person who is most like Carver isn't Kenny, Kenny is just a guy who have lost 2 families and trying to deal with the huge loss. Also the whole idea that after everything you went through in Season 1 and part of season 2 is meaningless because now Jane is there and suddenly Kenny is the bad guy. Is just insane.
Well there's 5 endings so 19% is a good percentage
Exactly. That's why saying "only 19%" is false. If there are 5 distinct endings, then the average would be 20% between all of them. That's not going to happen, obviously, so 19% is probably not even in the lowest spectrum.
I don't think any ending will satisfy me completely. I went with Jane and let the family in, BUT:
- Even though I suspected AJ was alive, I didn't agree with Jane's idea. I forgave her, but I don't agree with the dialogue "You were right about Kenny". I feel like the options aren't really that black and white. Why is it not possible to both be upset at her but go with her?
- I also suspect the family isn't trustworthy.
On the other hand...
- Kenny wanted to kill Jane even though he wasn't sure if she was responsible for AJ's "death".
- Kenny was also an asshole many times, including to Clem. He was indeed in a bad place, but he was also an asshole before he had to deal with his family passing away.
- Also, not that I agree with the idea of killing Kenny, but I'm glad I said to him that he would be with his family.
- Even though I suspected AJ was alive, I didn't agree with Jane's idea. I forgave her, but I don't agree with the dialogue "You were right about Kenny". I feel like the options aren't really that black and white. Why is it not possible to both be upset at her but go with her?
- I also suspect the family isn't trustworthy.
On the other hand...
- Kenny wanted to kill Jane even though he wasn't sure if she was responsible for AJ's "death".
- Kenny was also an asshole many times, including to Clem. He was indeed in a bad place, but he was also an asshole before he had to deal with his family passing away.
- Also, not that I agree with the idea of killing Kenny, but I'm glad I said to him that he would be with his family.
JohnnyLovesYou
Banned
Right? I actually teared up. Fantastic conclusion.