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The Walking Dead Season 2 SPOILERS Thread!

I wish we had the option to shoot Bonnie while she was running to Luke to stop her from getting him killed. Then they could have had a longer episode that played off of that decision. Man this season was short and unfulfilling.
 
I got a little spoiled so I made sure not to break the ice so that idiot Bonnie would die. She got Luke killed when we could have easily shot all the Walkers and gotten him out with crawling over to him or some other method with a little bit of patience. Mike deserved death for giving Arvo the gun and sentencing an innocent baby to death. It was just the two them escaping with all our supplies, wth would he trust some annoying teen he just met who tried to have them all killed with his Russian partners and was stealing medical supplies from said partners. Seems like Mike instantly fell in love with Arvo or something, his reactions made no sense.
 
Nice to see I can walk in this thread to share my hatred for Bonnie. She is litterally the worst. Bitter asshole who always throw shade on Jane when she does way more than she ever could.


Luke's death sucks. Literally the worst.

I'm glad that Jane and Clem are good at the end. Jane's fucking awesome. I actually really liked Arvo too. If Kenny wasn't such an asshole to him he would've been cool considering how many times I've spared the guy during my time with him.

Actually excited for Season 3. I really want to see the girl from Season 1 to rejoin Clem and meet Jane. now THAT can be a kickass team.
 
Ultimadrago said:
Whaaa?

Now that's a reason to replay the episode!
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Yeah, apparently Bonnie is a determinant. I guess everyone either tried to help Luke or tried to break the ice when they covered him so everyone just thought that Bonnie lives either way, but if you don't break the ice she doesn't resurface.
 
Labrys said:
I was actually starting to like/forgive Bonnie, but her whole reasons for getting mad at Clem and leaving were really, really selfish. Luke specifically didn't want Clem to help him because he knew the ice would crack, but Bonnie went against what he wanted. The kicker is when she does survive she's so damn bitter!
"You could have saved him" my ass, all you wanted was to bang him and that's why you're so upset. Ugh.
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All three of them are giant assholes, the worst part of this season was not being able to kill all three of them.
 
I finished with the "Clem & AJ get into Wellington, Kenny leaves" ending and I was pretty surprised to see that only 16% ended up with that one. I thought it was a great way to end the season.
 
jack... said:
I finished with the "Clem & AJ get into Wellington, Kenny leaves" ending and I was pretty surprised to see that only 16% ended up with that one. I thought it was a great way to end the season.
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I would have rather enjoyed Kenny's nonsensical devotion to Wellington ended up as a bust.
 
zeemumu said:
Yeah, apparently Bonnie is a determinant. I guess everyone either tried to help Luke or tried to break the ice when they covered him so everyone just thought that Bonnie lives either way, but if you don't break the ice she doesn't resurface.
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I had Bonnie die as I stopped trying to break the ice when I realized it was futile. HOWEVER, the game clearly wants Bonnie to survive, otherwise there is only like one line about Luke dying if Bonnie isn't there to either yell or console Clem about not helping/helping. How can you have a major character like Luke die but then gloss over it so quickly? Some pretty terrible (non) writing.

Bonnie is worse than Arvo.
 
LurkerPrime said:
Spoiler tags in a spoiler thread? Madness...

Perhaps the ultimate takeaway from the Walking Dead is that friendship (and thus trust) are key to survival, because that's the pattern I'm seeing.
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What?! I've gotten the complete opposite through the series (and the show too for the most part), if anything the series seems to be closer to a exploration in nihilism. Friendship and trust is something that is routinely punished along with weakness in TWD and is constantly reinforced in S2. In the very first episode they play upon your past expectations when you encounter the dog, while I wasn't one of them I'm sure most people were expecting a cute and friendly companion. You know the same dog you see in most post-apocalyptic media (Mad Max, I Am Legend, Fallout) but regardless of whether you choose to give it some food it viciously attacks you and you have to decide whether to kill it or leave it to die in pain. But, this is only the first of many instances of this same theme repeated.

In the same episode you come across the nice military vet and his screwball weak nephew, by the end of the episode he's dead due to his kind hearted nature and his weak nephew is eventually punished for his weakness as was Ben in S1 and Sarah later on. And to further strike home the point about the futility of kindness and trust your decisions his death can be at the hands of the at first extremely kindly man (forget his name now, the one that was friends with the asian kid). This is a person who has routinely showed optimism from when you first meet him but upon learning of his friends death and that he has been sharing a meal with his killer he allows him to die.

But, let's get back to trust and its continued punishment. Let's just look at a few more examples, when we first meet Bonnie she pretends to be a helpless woman just looking for some shelter and supplies. The kind man of course takes pity on her and gives her some supplies of course not long after we learn that she is with Carver and the kind man's pity is rewarded with a bullet to the brain and you the player being taken captive. Later on Bonnie tries to warm up to you and say she's sorry and you should trust her again, that trust is later rewarded with another betrayal if she survives. Continuing, regardless of whether you are kind to Arvo and let him keep his medical supplies he and his group try to ambush and steal from you, then later on he shoots you. Mike who you begin to build some trust and friendship with, remember how he caught you when you fell from the ladder? How nice. He still decides to try and steal everything from you and leave you to die.

Again, this keeps happening throughout the game and the ending with Jane actually ends on this note. It starts with Jane's betryal of trust as she manipulates you into killing Kenny and then we end with a family pleading to be let in with camera shots focusing on this scared little kid, how adorable and scared he seems. But, despite your decision the final shot focuses on the gun tucked away inside the Dad's pants, allowing you to ponder why he kept placing his hand behind his back during the entire conversation. If the game has taught you anything I would think it would be that keeping the family out is the right choice.

It would seem that the majority of what Carver stated was right looking at the game, that's not to say that his decisions were "right." Nihilism doesn't care about what's right or wrong, the good and kind people (Lee, Omid, Luke, Military Vet) are killed just as the same as the ugly and evil (Carver), neither seem to have an advantage and death comes to all. In the end, those that survive only do so through luck there is no meaning behind it.
 
What I took away from this is that everything is dangerous,
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that some people are only there to hold you back,
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I thought Nick was the new Ben, but then - suddenly - Bonnie.

And Jane seemed a heck of a lot like Molly.

foxtrot3d said:
What?! [snip]

It would seem that the majority of what Carver stated was right looking at the game, that's not to say that his decisions were "right." Nihilism doesn't care about what's right or wrong, the good and kind people (Lee, Omid, Luke, Military Vet) are killed just as the same as the ugly and evil (Carver), neither seem to have an advantage and death comes to all. In the end, those that survive only do so through luck there is no meaning behind it.
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Hey, now. I didn't say blindly trust and befriend... but you're probably more correct than I am willing to admit. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage because I don't watch the show or read the comics, but as far as the games go, I want my interpretation to be the ultimate takeaway.

Honestly, I just want a happy ending for Clementine. I don't think that's going to happen, though. We're much more likely to find her bloody hat in Season 3 as part of some throwaway dialog, which will suck.

(Now I'm suddenly not looking forward to Season 3...)
 
I just finished watching the ending with Kenny...nah, fuck that. No happy endings. It doesn't feel right for a series whose theme is usually things getting only a 'little' better. I'm perfectly satisfied with the ending I got with Jane. Not as bleak as the Clementine alonee ending, not as goody goody as the one with Kenny. Perfectly in the middle and a good way to continue Clem's adventures.

(also I'm biased, jane is fucking rad.)
 
Finished the last two chapters today. I ending up killing Kenny and leaving Jane at the end of it all. I really wanted to like Jane and it was awesome she came back in chapter 5, but fuck...you hide the baby to convince me that Kenny is off the reservation? Who the fuck do you think you are. Was a real gut check for me at the end and felt like even if Jane said she couldn't do it alone, at some point she was going to find some way to either screw me over and/or leave me for dead.

I'm gonna have the hunt down the other endings. I really hope both Bonnie and Mike don't show up in season 3, cause fuck 'em. Kenny was an ass and starting going insane, but giving Arvo a gun and trying to steal our ride when we had decided to leave in the morning? He was gonna leave my ass there too with the kid.

Okay, enough ranting about the story...I thought it was a solid season, but with less apparent choice and a weaker story. There were definite "Oh shit" moments during, but it never felt like it has near as much impact as with season 1. Same with a lot of the choices, but I do hope we get to see how the game ended with how your new game starts. At this point I don't see them moving on to another character.

It was so nice to see Lee too... ;_;
 
Did you guys think Kenny was infected? Considering the scene in the tent where Kenny leaves a huge pool of blood, the scene in the car where he's checking his eye infection, and the fact he's gone through a pretty long time not getting the wound clean at all? I mean in contrast to Rebecca's death (which was so sudden considering the temperature in blood losS) that could be debatable, but his reluctance to anyone cleaning a simple eye wound (for someone that tough) other than clementine for some reason gave me suspicion initially.
 
Silky said:
Did you guys think Kenny was infected? Considering the scene in the tent where Kenny leaves a huge pool of blood, the scene in the car where he's checking his eye infection, and the fact he's gone through a pretty long time not getting the wound clean at all? I mean in contrast to Rebecca's death (which was so sudden considering the temperature in blood losS) that could be debatable, but his reluctance to anyone cleaning a simple eye wound (for someone that tough) other than clementine for some reason gave me suspicion initially.
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The pool of blood was just lazy video game stuff. If you don't chop Sarita, she is there and the bloody pool makes sense.

Like the closeup of the empty bloody chair in episode 3 if you didn't manage to save Alvin in episode 2.
 
I like that they planted the thought of a Bonnie redemption arc, yet didn't let her complete it, it's a good twist. I liked her 400 Days episode because it sets her up differently than most characters in the game. She's fairly complex and "swingy", depending on the circumstances. When she basically confessed to liking Luke, I knew shit was going to go down eventually, but I honestly didn't expect her and Mike's betrayal at that point.

Bonnie definitely was an underrated element this season and her being there kinda makes up for the shitty Alvin/Carlos characters.
 
Haunted said:
I like that they planted the thought of a Bonnie redemption arc, yet didn't let her complete it, it's a good twist. I liked her 400 Days episode because it sets her up differently than most characters in the game. She's fairly complex and "swingy", depending on the circumstances. When she basically confessed to liking Luke, I knew shit was going to go down eventually, but I honestly didn't expect her and Mike's betrayal at that point.

Bonnie definitely was an underrated element this season and her being there kinda makes up for the shitty Alvin/Carlos characters.
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Woah what.
What was wrong with Alvin and Carlos?
 
I feel I made the right decision letting Kenny live.

Jane was completely misguided, how else did she think he would react by pretending she'd kill the kid?! That kid was the only thing keeping him sane at that point.

I left him at the side of the road and the smile he gives you knowing that you'll take good care of AJ is heartwarming. After reading about the Wellington ending, it kinds becomes clear that he really does care about the Clem and AJ, he's still my man.

The moment you spend with Lee was fantastic, it made me realise how hard I've been trying to bond with other characters and almost replace him. That's not going to happen anymore.

As for Bonnie, that conversation about regrets when kenny's fixing the truck, using a child to make her self feel better about the shitty thing she about to do, what a fucking bitch.
 
Carlos it seemed like in the first episode and the start of the second they were building to let you choose to confront him about Sarah. Or at the very least keep learning about them until you know what the deal is. This season seems like a bunch of storylines that started, then just stopped once Carver showed up.

Nick became scenery if he lived, I guess his story had a fitting conclusion if you let him die.

Luke increasingly became unreliable and never came to a real head with Kenny.

Alvin didn't really have much of any story. He was a nice guy who was dating someone who seemingly got raped by Carver. And he's dead because of that. And he may have killed some guy name George at some point, I dunno.

I feel like Rebecca was one of the only ones from episode 1 that had an ok story arc, she got revenge and was able to see her baby before dying because of it.
 
JohnnyLovesYou said:
Woah what.
What was wrong with Alvin and Carlos?
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Alvin was boring and given a bigger role than he deserved. He didn't leave an impression and suddenly in Episodes 4 and 5 some of my responses can draw on him as if he had been super important? Fuck that. I made sure I never mentioned him again.

Carlos was just a really unlikeable asshole and a complete failure (personal bias). I feel there was potential to have him as a character to confront about Sarah, but nothing ever happened and then he just died and Sarah died because he ruined her with his pampering and it's all not very satisfying.

HadesGigas said:
Carlos it seemed like in the first episode and the start of the second they were building to let you choose to confront him about Sarah. Or at the very least keep learning about them until you know what the deal is. This season seems like a bunch of storylines that started, then just stopped once Carver showed up.

Alvin didn't really have much of any story. He was a nice guy who was dating someone who seemingly got raped by Carver. And he's dead because of that. And he may have killed some guy name George at some point, I dunno.

I feel like Rebecca was one of the only ones from episode 1 that had an ok story arc, she got revenge and was able to see her baby before dying because of it.
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Agreed. I had a big problem with most of the characters from the cabin group. Luke and Becca were most fleshed out, the others didn't really go anywhere (showing how important it is to give characters sufficient screentime or they'll just vanish without a big impact).

Becca turning at the end of episode 4 was a great twist and made for the best cliffhanger of the season.
 
Haunted said:
Alvin was boring and given a bigger role than he deserved. He didn't leave an impression and suddenly in Episodes 4 and 5 some of my responses can draw on him as if he had been super important? Fuck that. I made sure I never mentioned him again.

Carlos was just a really unlikable asshole and a complete failure (personal bias). :p
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He did sacrifice himself for their cause. That's pretty big, as far as I'm concerned. I don't remember them exaggerating the significance of what he did.

I liked Carlos. Many curses were yelled upon his passing. They could have done a lot more with him though, yeah.
 
JohnnyLovesYou said:
He did sacrifice himself for their cause. That's pretty big, as far as I'm concerned. I don't remember them exaggerating the significance of what he did.
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I just looked up Alvin's possible fates, and I assume he survived episode 2 and died a somewhat heroic death in episode 3 in your game.

For me, he just died without much fanfare in episode 2, executed by Carver after Kenny fucked up his shot.
 
LurkerPrime said:
My take on it is that Kenny realised that what he thought wasn't true; he thought he wanted death... he thought he couldn't lose anyone... but in the end, he realised he could be wrong. He then realised how absurd he has been in Season 1 and 2, not to mention the effects it has had on those around him, and this makes him understand why Jane and Clem would react the way they did. It was an epiphany that allowed Kenny to see his mistakes, and ultimately decide to end the cycle of regret that he had been so enveloped by, all in the hopes of saving Clem from being enveloped by that very same cycle. Kenny redeemed himself, just as he always will... in the end.

It was a very sad ending, especially since Clem could only trust Jane; I mean, she lied, but wasn't wrong. That said, it was also a very fitting ending considering how damn unfortunate everything Clem tried to do ended up being.

(At least, this is how it turned out in my playthrough...)

Bah. Feels.
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I love that each person has a different "story" for "their" cast. Yours works and makes a lot of sense. Of course, I think mine does too. That's something I love about Telltale games. Even if there is an "illusion of choice," I still feel like I'm getting to participate in the story.
 
Haunted said:
I just looked up Alvin's possible fates, and I assume he survived episode 2 and died a somewhat heroic death in episode 3 in your game.

For me, he just died without much fanfare in episode 2, executed by Carver after Kenny fucked up his shot.
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Woah what?
If he dies by Carver's hand in Season 2, is he still praised? Haha. What?
Why? For giving Clem that one juice box before she stitched herself? Did that even happen in your game?
 
foxtrot3d said:
This is my problem with the entire Season 2, Clementine is simply not a believable character. She's a little girl, 12 years old I believe right now, why the FUCK is anyone asking her to make decisions? The stupidity of the entire premise and the way the game routinely reiterates the same point about groups makes Team Alone the only real choice. How could anyone choose to follow around a crazed group of adult individuals who are routinely asking a child to make decisions for the group? Luke WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ASKING ME WHAT TO DO DURING A SHOOTOUT?! You have a fucking gun and you're a fucking adult, stop asking me shit!

I feel the only real choice is to shoot Kenny and leave crazy Jane as sad as it is, because the one thing the game repeatedly shows you in that groups aren't practical and everyone is a selfish or crazy asshole. How could you possibly stay with Kenny knowing that he can literally go off at any second for any reason? And Jane psychotically left a baby in a car to try and coax a mad man into beating her to prove a point to a child, definitely not parental guardian material. The only other ending I can accept is the one where Kenny lives but you enter the town. At least Clementine and the baby can be safe and away from crazy Kenny.

I swear it seems the entire series is just a practice in nihilism.



I didn't find her "betrayal" a character change at all. She was never a "good" person, then again no one seems to be in the series or if they are they are immediately killed (Lee, Luke, Old Sarge, Alvin, etc.). She was the one that initially tricked you into letting Carver in and then had the gall to try and act nice later. I never treated her nicely or forgave her for her deception. She was always the type of person to pick herself and survival against anyone else, even if it meant doing horrible things.
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That's how I started feeling, the group went to her a lot when it came to making decisions, and always followed up with "I agree" from Mike or Bonnie. Even the part where you offer Jane some alcohol, and then ask her about her and Nick and respond "we're all adults here", and then Jane offered some and I replied "I'm just a kid", that whole sequence was weird.

I ended up killing Kenny at the end. I also wish I knew about Bonnie dying, because she pissed me off when Luke died. I thought Jane would get mad at Clem if Luke died, and I might have shot Jane if that ended up happening.
 
Goddamn I wanted to kill Mike and Bonnie for betraying me like that.


Mike blubbering and whining over how Arvo is treated yet he condemns a child and a baby to starve to death, smfh.
 
Toa TAK said:
Carlos was weak and gave in to Carver. Didn't even hesitate to slap the shit out of his daughter.
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There was no good choice for Carlos. If Carver wasn't satisfied, he would do that or worse depending on his mood.

To that end, in my game, Clem got knocked out a lot during the Carver situation. Really, Clem was the only one that could even attempt anything, since Carver had some bizarre sympathy for her and would be much more... lenient towards her rebelliousness.

I appreciate that TellTale gave the option to be aggressive like that, even if the action ends up being nullified. There was honestly a lot of situations that worked out in that manner - little things that personalised my playthrough, while not being earth-shattering. It's very important for TT's games to have that, as it helps build a personal identity for each run through (and giving plenty of replayability).

orthodoxy1095 said:
I love that each person has a different "story" for "their" cast. Yours works and makes a lot of sense. Of course, I think mine does too. That's something I love about Telltale games. Even if there is an "illusion of choice," I still feel like I'm getting to participate in the story.
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Yup, that sort of thing has been very well done for both Walking Dead games. It's a real fine line to tread, because once you're knocked out of "the zone" the entire game falls apart.

Unfortunately it looks like that's happened to some people in this very thread.

The Silver said:
Goddamn I wanted to kill Mike and Bonnie for betraying me like that.


Mike blubbering and whining over how Arvo is treated yet he condemns a child and a baby to starve to death, smfh.
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That whole encounter was quite shocking. At one point I was like, "is this it? This is Clem's final destination? Well, at least I got to see Lee again..."

Their attempts to persuade Clementine were really weak, it's a bummer that Mike completely disarmed Clem like that. Given enough time she might have worked up enough courage or whatever to pull the trigger and at least intimidate them.
 
I always sided with Kenny, even when I did know, that the choices are sometimes not good, or I have to calm him down. It's not just Old Loyality, it's survival of a little girl. I played my Clem intelligent and foresighted. Kenny was a loose cannon, but not against Clem or the Baby.

With all the informations I had regarding Jane, I would never have chosen her over Kenny. Yes, she was nice and protective, but she tried to teach Clem to not care. I would have had fears that she would abandon the baby if it got inconvenient. A thought that never crossed my mind with Kenny.
Anf the "you will see how broken Kenny is" set-up was fucked up. The baby could have been silent for a long period of time or just long enough for Kenny and Clem out of hearing range. She played with the Life of the baby to make a point. Or she didnt care if the baby would never be found. Because the only scenario where the baby is not found, is when she dies... Jane is not trustworthy, period.

The endchoice was difficult. I trusted Kenny enough to care for Clem and the baby, but Wellington was a better shot at survival. Even if it broke my heart, I had to think of the baby and got into Wellingten. i would have choosen kenny if it was only Clem.


And fuck Bonny! I would have killed her in ep3 if I had the chance.
 
Now I feel sad for killing Kenny and want to change my choice. But I have to live with what I've done.

Goddammit why did pretty much every good person die? I don't think I'll get attached to any characters in Season 3 since I know they'll either die or survive death and end up dead later on some Final Destination shit.
 
Subtle said:
That's Sarah. Luke was infinitely more likable than Ben, and I liked Ben.
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Luke biting it was probably the hardest part of the whole season for me, especially because I made the choice where you basically get to watch him get dragged under.

Also, was anyone else kind of put off by how much Kenny changed in his ending? I mean, they write him as basically broken and deeply violent up to the epilogue, then you get to Wellington and it's all rainbow's and butterfly's and shit. I guess what I'm wondering is, in Season 3, does anyone think the emotional damage from the past two seasons will keep piling onto new shit, or has he (somehow) worked past it.
 
pantsonhead said:
Luke biting it was probably the hardest part of the whole season for me, especially because I made the choice where you basically get to watch him get dragged under.

Also, was anyone else kind of put off by how much Kenny changed in his ending? I mean, they write him as basically broken and deeply violent up to the epilogue, then you get to Wellington and it's all rainbow's and butterfly's and shit. I guess what I'm wondering is, in Season 3, does anyone think the emotional damage from the past two seasons will keep piling onto new shit, or has he (somehow) worked past it.
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I didn't see how Kenny changed at all during the ending, Kenny is perfectly capable of acting nice, emotional and compassionate, the problem is he gets angered easily. As long as everything is going fine he is okay but the minute things go sour he'll snap and lash out at anything and anyone. Even though I chose to shoot Kenny there was no way I was going to stay with him, he's simply to rash and emotional and nothing will ever change that. It's not like he became this way after losing his family, he's always been this way from the start of the series. He's not a bad person but Jane is not wrong when she says that he is one wrong step from being Carver, and Carver wasn't an "evil" dude either.

I also think this is the end of Kenny and Clem's story, I highly doubt they would pick up with these characters again considering the wildly divergent endings. If they even do let us play with a known character again it would probably be Christa.
 
foxtrot3d said:
I didn't see how Kenny changed at all during the ending, Kenny is perfectly capable of acting nice, emotional and compassionate, the problem is he gets angered easily. As long as everything is going fine he is okay but the minute things go sour he'll snap and lash out at anything and anyone. Even though I chose to shoot Kenny there was no way I was going to stay with him, he's simply to rash and emotional and nothing will ever change that. It's not like he became this way after losing his family, he's always been this way from the start of the series. He's not a bad person but Jane is not wrong when she says that he is one wrong step from being Carver, and Carver wasn't an "evil" dude either.

I also think this is the end of Kenny and Clem's story, I highly doubt they would pick up with these characters again considering the wildly divergent endings. If they even do let us play with a known character again it would probably be Christa.
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That's an interesting interpretation of his character, and it's definitely given me something to think about, but I think we'll be seeing more of Clem, given the Family. Though it might be something like 400 Days where we meet them again with another PC.
 
Just a quick question : What's the cheapest/smartest way to buy this on the 360? Do I just buy the first episode separate for 5 dollars, then get the 10 dollar season pass?

Been waiting for them all to be released before I purchased.
 
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